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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on RUclips. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on RUclips, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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If Emily is concerned with the for profit healthcare industry than let’s change it for everyone. Why focus on trans when this involves the whole of healthcare ?
It's such a dumb argument. For-profit and exploitative insurance and doctors isn't exclusive to trans medical care. It affects all medical care. So reform the damn system! In the meantime, let trans kids get the help they need.
Why not? Why not address the issue everywhere it shows up
Because they’re lying. They don’t actually care about for profit healthcare or opposing capitalism/big pharma, they just say that instead of “I hate trans people and think they shouldn’t exist.” They just use arguments like pretending to be anti-big pharma in order to hide their real position, and sound more reasonable.
For the same reason her oft-articulated compassion for immigrants only manifests as making sure they can’t come over by punishing the ones who do.
Lol you people simply CANNOT come close to admitting that this “trans apocalypse” taking place is a real problem, huh?
If this were in the 2000s the title would be: "Gay kids: Debate"
It's the same "debate" every few years.
@@andretorres8452 I never said they were the same. I was making reference to the fact that people fearmonger about a group every few years.
There is no such thing as gay kids, just like there is no such thing as straight kids. They are KIDS who shouldn't be thinking about sex.
I'm so tired of these debates and how they take up so much oxygen in society. Leave trans people alone and focus on our dying middle class and dying planet.
Conversation is about gender dysmphoric kids.
See it’s actually the opposite children under the age of 18 should not be allowed to transition. adults can end of discussion that’s why there should be no debate.
@bakerward1977 we will once you stop harming your kids
@hostileprimate They just want to be treated nicely. I don't see that that is that big of a deal.
@@unknownknowablewho is “they”?
Anyone who says that Tucker Carlson did a good report about anything loses all credibility.
That’s a problem.
@@noo4630correction - he does a great job parroting white supremacy talking points.
Conservatives on trans care: Teens dont have the mental faculty of taking on this life changing event when they transition. Won't someone think of the children?
Conservatives on student loan debt: these teens made their decision, they should have to live with the crippling debt. They're adults now and they made their bed.
Great point! Conservatives will never have a consistent standard.
There's a huge difference between a 13yr old and an 18yr old.
Standing Ovation Sir , well Said 1!!!! BravO!!!
Eighteen year olds are adults under the law and have the legal capacity agree to contracts.
The corrupt college finance industry is a problem though.
Your argument is great! Let me know if this one is any good, in regards to Emily saying the drugs could be harmful...
In 2017, right-wingers passed and signed "Right to Try" legislation into law. This allows people to try untested/risky/potentially dangerous treatments for medical purposes. To give people the "Right to Try" to improve the quality of their own lives.
But, now? *Suddenly?* Right-wingers DON'T want to give people the "Right to Try" to try to improve the quality of their own lives???
*Suddenly,* right-wingers want to *go against* and/or *take back* their own law???
No-no-no-no... Right-wingers just want to prevent "*OTHER*" people from having the "Right to Try" to try to improve the quality of their own lives.
Because right-wingers are cruel hypocrites.
The wealthy right-wingers are intelligent, cruel hypocrites.
The working-class right-wingers are ignorant, cruel hypocrites.
If you think it's a good argument, pass it on.
P.S. This is like the right-wing's book-ban laws that are getting the Bible banned.
Or, like the right-wing's parental-rights laws that are being used by the parents of marginalized children.
Again, not all right-wingers are intelligent. Even the ones who write laws can be dumb. But cruelty is one of their main goals.
And another goal is to incite the ignorant working-class right-wingers into sabotorial, violent, and/or murderous action.
That's what wealthy right-wing conservatives, who are trying to conserve their places in the hierarchies of social-status they've created, are going to do.
They don't even care if their hypocritical, right-wing laws stand. They'll just use their wealth to try again.
Or, they'll use their wealth to leave the country when they've finally instigated a civil or larger war involving the U.S.
That's what the wealthy Nazis/Confederates did when the Allies/Union came calling -- the wealthy used their wealth to flee. And wealthy, right-wing Americans have been doing the same, and increasingly so, as of late.
Kyle, just saying this even though you don't read comments, over the past year you have improved your arguments on queer issues a lot, and I really really appreciate that as a queer person who was once a queer kid and can tell when someone does the proper research on the topic. I used to roll my eyes at your takes on these things, but you have actually done a great job recently.
Thank you for sharing. Though I am a cis woman, I too have noticed kyles evolution on how he approaches the trans issue. He’s a great example of how when we take the time to become educated, we are capable of change for the better. I know he says he doesn’t read these….but I bet someone does. And it’s folks like you whose stories and experiences can shape our hearts and minds so I really hope Kyle or someone on his team reads the comments!
Satan is so proud of Kyle.
@semmellol reee brooo u have to say muh pronouns even when it’s obvious, you degenerates are just craving attention, nothing more
@@keksi6844and I'm proud of Satan! 😈
Wtf is a "queer person"?
Identity politics is poison, man. We should be unifying around class issues, instead we're dividing around nonsense issues.
"..so several decades is how long we've used this treatment and that's a lot of time. In the scope of human history it's a fairly short experiment."
Shall we stop all human progress, revert back a millennia or two and see to it our progress is made in century long increments?
That is quite possibly the stupidest blanket argument against anything modern she doesn't like that I have ever heard.
Parents should be in charge, not politicians.
@@lindaflesch7303 Careful. People tend to say that when their opinions are the sort that would have politicians hands tied in their efforts to prevent bigotry.
"puberty blockers should be for adults only" you know after they already completed puberty lol. What the hell would be the point of taking puberty blockers after going through puberty
Yeah that didn't make any sense at all. Pointless once you're an adult.
Yea that was about the level of intelligence in this debate
@@ross4 I think Kyle brought up some hard hitting points. The other side. Not so much
That also confuses me. If parents wanted their kids to be happy and want to be supportive of who they are, kids should be allowed to use puberty blockers by age 10, before puberty happens.
How about you mention the damage puberty blockers do the minors? Maybe listen do detrans young people instead of living in an echo chamber
"puberty blockers should wait until adulthood" lol
Gigglesnort!
Is a man who transitions in his 20s to become a woman, less of a woman than one that took puberty blockers?
Puberty blockers should only be used for children with precocious puberty like they were originally intended to be used
@@nickvoss7954 gnrh agonists have several medical uses that doctors prescribe it for besides that. You should definitely leave it to doctors. Bye.
@@nrsrymj Well one of them shouldn’t be to block the puberty of totally physically healthy children who just are expressing gender confusion
"You should have to wait until you're an adult to get puberty blockers." She said
It's a good point in itself. Kids shouldn't be disrupting their natural biological processes because social media and woke predatory capitalists told them to.
Actually adult women can use them for their ovulation and shit
That would do permanent harm to a trans child to deny them the care they need and want. Which is the intent of bigots and republicans. There is a 1% regret rate for kids that take puberty blockers. Emily tried to quote the Tavistock study which was debunked by it's author for the out of context lies pushed from it. The Nazis went after trans ppl too.
@@nickvoss7954 You know nothing
@@DB-sd3cwAnd cause them to suffer even worse gender dysphoria and have them commit suicide? Glad you support that.
What about cancer drugs that have long term side effects but still and all are life saving?
Life-saving drugs for a terminal illness and drugs to permanently alter the body to "affirm" mental delusions are perfectly equivalent.
Apples and oranges. Physical illness and mental illness are two very different things.
"You don't know the long-term effects, even with insulin."
Well we know the short term effects. I'm sorry, I can't take this clown seriously if her argument is we shouldn't let people get medical attention they need because we haven't researched it for 2 billion years.
It’s as if she doesn’t know that EVERY HUMAN ALIVE needs insulin. Only difference is some people need to manually inject insulin because their pancreas doesn’t work
😂😂
They aren't merely "people." They're children, dude. Leftists dished out vitriol and hatred to ANYBODY who suggested that lockdowns would be detrimental to the health of children, physically and mentally. The same principle applies to scooping out the genitals of children and giving them pharmaceuticals which will almost certainly give them unbearably painful medical conditions in their adult life.
Souless and careless
Right? This argument would apply to every modern drug and medical treatment, no matter how effective it is short term. "Well, we haven't studied its effects during a complete 95 years lifetime. I'm sure the evidence will be on my side in 20 years (but I support laws today based on that non-existent evidence). Hey, you can't prove it ISN'T malpractice (which sounds a lot like, "you can't prove god ISN'T real)".
I'm sorry but this lady constantly gives the impression that when evidence is against her point... That we have to wait 10 years and it's BS
She forgot the whole "freedom" element of her side. What ever happened to "don't tread on me" on the right? It's their effing lives... let them experiment with whatever they want to. Tired of all these people who have nothing to do with my life trying to tell me what I'm allowed to do with it. Why aren't they over here paying my damn bills if they wanna play mommy and daddy?
And that totally disregards that the first sex change surgery in America happened a over a century ago.
@@Zweigenhaft9
"The exact details of Baer’s medical procedure were never found."
"Apparently Baer’s body had “such strange” characteristics that she had no way of determining his gender."
So Emily’s argument is what…? She conceded almost every point and threw her hands up at the difficulty of the problem.
That’s because the problem is fucking difficult. I’m sorry, did you think science has easy cut-and-dry answers? It never has. Science is probabilistic, always has been. This whole thing is too new, kids and teenagers are involved, so yeah a moral panic is warranted.
she didn't concede.
Which is exactly why they bring her on to debate instead of a real conservative
Impossible to have an open debate with your Employer and her Husband!
When Emily can't defend her position, she just says this is an "interesting" issue 5,000 times.
Elon musk brain response from her. "Concerning! Interesting! Looking into this!"
Like for real though 😂
Emily really seems to be confusing social awareness with social contagion.
When she said contagion, that’s just simply not true. No evidence for that. It’s the typical fear mongering bullshit from the right.
She's not confused she's concerned trolling
They can be one in the same. It’s good to be compassionate but if you’re always blanketly compassionate at all times you become an enabler for some stuff that is wrong and has bad implications.
This is all Conservatives have to offer. Fear and hysteria.
That’s not true.. they also offer hate and suffering of all minority groups
Well to be fair, as they said. it was imperfect laws targeting real problems. Hormone therapies and delaying puberty do have long term consequences... You can delay when puberty starts sure, but not when it ends. Ie. If you stop taking pubert blockers at 17 you will not then have the typical duration of maturation....... We dont let kids deem kids capable on consent in a lot of other arenas....
The European authorities are not conservative at all and they are pulling back.
Oh but just listen to Emily speak! She's totally levelheaded the whole time, she's not angry, she's remaining utterly polite and never once raise her voice! how can someone as calm as her be accused of seeking to trigger mass fear, panic and hysteria? *End of sarcasm*
Their tactics really are impressive. Emily is actively stoking fears without once getting red in the face so no one can accuse her of being a reactionary
@@someguy7842You sound like you know just about nothing because the consequences of that have been well documented for decades.
Its whats better for the individual’s health thats the issue. ALL MEDICINE HAS SIDE EFFECTS and everyone is warned of them before the start
@@SA-pi3zm
Id be more sympathetic to your point of view if so many people were not claiming that hormones and puberty blockers at a young age are totally reversible if the kid grows out of it....as opposed to the truth which is that it causes major irreversible changes.
As it stands what youre saying is just gaslighting and political junk... trying to make it all about republicans, when in fact far more liberal jurisdictions around the world are pulling back from transitioning minors.
Over 97% of puberty blocker prescriptions are prescribed to ADULTS, for endometriosis, breast cancer, prostate cancer, over 2.5% for precocious puberty & over production of growth hormones, 0.3% of puberty blocker prescriptions are prescribed for Trans kids
The actual detransition rate is 0.47% which includes post GRS,
GRS has, by far, the lowest regret rate of all surgical procedures
There are approximately 40 Trans girls in the whole of the US who partake in school sports activities, 0.8 girls per State, most Trans folk have no sporting ambition
Those are astonishing numbers that put this whole debate in to sharp perspective. Where did you get your stats from?
Those 3% are crimes against humanity, and should be prosecuted as such.
@@alibabasaluja3482 yeah its a crime that the number is so low, puberty blockers should be allowed for trans kids at a higher rate UwU
@@Sesshounamaru7 grooming ped0
How on Earth are you measuring "regret rate" for surgical procedures, and can you cite this data?
If the number of transwomen in sports is so low it doesn't matter if they're prevented from doing so, does it? If the number of kids using puberty blockers is so low, it doesn't matter if they're prevented from doing so, does it? See how stupid your arguments are?
And, obviously, the discussion here is exclusively about puberty blockers being used for kids who think they're a different sex. ie not what they were designed for, but a mental illness.
I think it’s telling that people say things like, “we don’t know the long-term effects of hormone therapy!” when talking about trans kids, but no one says shit when we talk about dudes going on TRT or older women supplementing estrogen.
That doesn’t necessarily make appointment valid, but it reveals the biases. Irksome.
What it really comes down to is their dislike of trans people. But they’re too cowardly to say it. They just hide behind “concern” for kids or whatever.
Right. The cis and the straight can have it but if you’re Queer you need to be tortured into conformity
Or even Viagra, or Ozempic for weight loss.
It’d be cool to have trans people or at least a parent of a trans kid on this thing.
yeah as a trans person, i would much prefer anything in the future on this topic to have a trans guest on as well. there’s plenty of trans people on youtube. it’s nice to have allies but sometimes you really need a trans person to really convey the experience.
10:15 and to counter this nonsensical suggestion that has no basis in reality with breaking out laughing, since there’s already not only guardrails, but roadblocks and traffic stops, to continue the metaphor.
@@pippilongstocking5000 As long as it's clarified that detransitioners are a tiny minority of those that transition
@@darkhorse381as long as it’s clarified that a lot of trans feel pressure not to detransition
It's really annoying that Trans people aren't involved in debates on Trans issues, it's no different than heterosexual men debating lesbian issues, there is no actual insight into the reality of being Trans
I like Emily because she's chill, but she's poorly informed. Long term effects of insulin, really? Insulin has been in use since 1921. We know what the short term effects of no insulin is death. Hormone therapy has been used to treat trans patients since the 1950s. This shit isn't new, just the freak out is.
I nearly lept out of my seat at that stupid comment, it's been studied and its effects observed for over a century. Especially because insulin is MADE INSIDE THE BODY, a healthy person produces insulin. A diabetic can't make insulin, so it's being introduced externally instead. If you're non diabetic, your body is making insulin CONSTANTLY after you eat. It's not some man-made substance like aspirin etc, it's a naturally occuring substance made by the human body to break down sugars / carbs.
I’ve noticed this with her consistently it’s why she gets slapped around a lot in debates because she’s usually partially informed. She also has takes that are hard to defend. Which a lot of farther right takes tend to be. When there’s not a lot of facts to back up your position it makes it tough
Most conservatives are poorly informed on this topic because they exist in a bubble and all they hear is propaganda. Right-wing media has done a good job in convincing them that nothing outside of this bubble can be trusted. This includes academia and the experts who devote their lives to understanding the issues. It's so sad.
"Hormone therapy has been used to treat trans patients since the 1950s" source?
@@jesusbarrera6916 Technically it was the 60's, he / she was off by a decade. I don't know that one could say it was being used specifically for Transgender people in the 60's, but the science was being used then for various purposes. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6780820/#:~:text=The%20history%20of%20hormone%20replacement,USA%20in%20the%20late%201990s.
No medication is risk free so that argument is ridiculous.
Hormone replacement has been around for decades. Is not the entire point to begin transition before puberty to avoid unnecessary continued dysphoria and other problems? Is not permanent surgery the treatment that should be reserved for adulthood?
They don't believe trans kids are actually trans, and they want fewer trans people to exist, that is the point. They believe that gender transition is harm, because being trans is bad.
Ideally, that’s how we want it to work, but there are multiple problems with this. One being that there are recent studies that suggest puberty blockers can reduce bone density and lead to other long term health effects. This is especially worrying since a majority of children who experience gender dysphoria simply grow out of it by the time they finish puberty. This is why so many European countries have recently banned their use and reversed there “gender affirming” care models.
@@gaybuzzlightyear1294 To your first point; the health effects of medical procedures need to be considered as a whole. Even if there are long term health effects from puberty blockers such as anything pertaining to bone density (and this is not fact; the research that informs such conclusions and the European policy decisions based on them are still questionable, as ideology permeates all), those ought to be weighed against their benefits in providing overall quality of life to transgender people, and it is shortsighted to issue blanket bans when we have positive data on their effectiveness. To the second point: that a majority of children who experience gender dysphoria simply grow out of it by the time they finish puberty is a wild, *wild* claim. That can only be said if you run a quantitative research with very poor control and very irresponsible parameters for what you consider to be gender dysphoria.
i’m pretty sure they cause bone density loss because that’s what happens in menopause/old age when sex hormone levels go down. there it’s a long term issue, not that one year into menopause your bones crumble to dust. and so the solution is to not have someone without sex hormones for extended periods of time, a year or two to make up their mind before starting hormones seems like it should be fine, limiting the chance of significant effects on their bones, but that’s something for doctors and patients to consider. banning treatment is only worthwhile when it has very little benefit and a lot of risks, and if that was the case, it would’ve been banned decades ago when it was used on cis children with early puberty to no objection.
puberty blockers are permanent...
As a transgender woman I know from experience this isn't something that begins later in life.
You're born with the same neurological structure that you'll have when you're an adult. I definitely had gender dysphoria and I had all the classical symptoms long before I knew that trans people were a thing. Even in middle school I was [unalive attempting] myself because I was in pain and I didn't know why, when I looked at myself everything and every nerve in my body lit up with pain and stress, I obsessed over my appearance, and got worried over things I shouldn't have.
When I finally felt gender euphoria for the first time, I got to try on something girly and it was the first time I felt like I wasn't holding the universe on my shoulders. It made me look into it, I realized who I really was and I never regretted my transition. When I turned 18 I took HRT and for over five years I am better off because of it. Care wasn't a choice for me, to say it was would be like asking if I want a slow and painful [unalive] or live a happier healthier life. The choice is obvious, I choose to live.
This is completely valid and I do not dispute your own experience at all as a trans person. I have trans friends that I’m sure would say the very same thing or something similar in their gender dysphoria journey. As a gay man, however, I also experience(d) gender dysphoria. I think Emily’s concern is what could/would happen if you asked 8 year old me whether I thought I was a girl or a gay boy. At that time, I didn’t know any of that yet. Obviously I knew I was attracted to other boys but that was so early on and I think that could be too early for kids to be asked/asking themselves.
I understand what your saying, but isn’t it kind of small brain thinking that you didn’t feel good because you didn’t fit into a stereotypical version of what society says you have to be as a man? Why can’t you just be a feminine man? Why do you have to change your “gender” ? You are born with XY chromosomes and you can’t change that, just like people can’t change the color of their skin…..I think you should be more accepting of yourself and just be a feminine man.
What did humans do before this treatment was available? Live as the other gender of their choice when they could. Just like a poor person wants to be rich, a below average person wants to be beautiful, a healthy person wants to be healthy. A non-flyer wants to fly. Its amazing how you feel "complete" based on what clothes you wear. Cant men be feminine or women be masculine and if they want this treatment later in life- do it. The prefontal cortex develops throughout your early 20´s. THe neurological structure doesnt change regarding gender- okay, I acquiesce this point as I dont know. THe amount we know about the brain and THOUGHTS is pretty low. Protecting kids should be a priority and changing sex might have a deeper problem...... so much, i, you, and everyone dont know. You did open my eyes though.....
I guess until one is confronted with this incredibly hard to understand issue, like having a child who suffers from this- to know what to do and when to do it would be the greatest challenge one could have. Until one has that to face- you are trying to describe "yellow" to a person born blind.
@@omarfritz979 That questioning isn't uncommon. Of course the solution to the dysphoria should never be a foregone conclusion, but I support the right of questioning youth to explore the issue. Those questions need to be explored, so long as there's no pressure of a deadline forcing injudicious action, medically or otherwise.
Imo there is no debate. Let trans ppl live.
Let kids live. Stop projecting the mental health issues of adults on to kids.
Literally nobody is saying trans people's lives should be ended.
@@patrickbooth5091
Kids aren't allowed to get treatment for mental health? News ro me
@@LadyRubyEye sure they are. But the solution to mental health problems is not to pump confused and hormonal teenagers full of even more hormones to confuse them even further.
We can't do it because we don't have 100s of years of research, might be the worst anti-trans argument in a sea of bad arguments
Why are you calling this, or more poignantly, framing this as "anti-trans"?
Because it IS.
She's got that Elizabeth Holmes energy.
OMG Yes! She seriously does!!!
She’s hiding her power level for sure, gives hard TERF vibes
She gives JustPearlyThings, like even her tone lmao
Good discussion. I do think it’s silly to discount decades of knowledge on puberty blocker use. How many decades must pass?
Well that's the circular argument, isn't it. "We can't use these until more people have used them for a longer period of time." Thus, no one will be allowed to use them, so they'll never pass the longterm use test to be seen as safe. Very reasonable
It’ll never be enough because when they say “it hasn’t been tested enough,” or “there isn’t enough data,” they’re lying. They don’t care if there’s actually enough data or not, they’re opposed to the mere existence of trans people. They think the very concept is an affront to nature and their god. They’ll never accept it for that very reason.
European countries, who are less politicised than Yankland, are all limiting these treatments.
That should tell you something.
@@cockoffgewgle4993less politicized? Consider living in reality 😂
You should do some research on the effects that women who were prescribed lupron for endometriosis have experienced. I would not give my daughter lupron even if she started her period tomorrow, at age 7.
"What is he bought off by big trans?" LMAOOOOOOO cook her
CSG score maybe?
Kyle got cooked , she was capable of drawing a connection to big pharma profits
Pharmaceutical companies are the biggest funders of trans advocacy groups. As leftists, we shouldn’t ignore that.
@@jca9417What? OMG what a brilliant point, did you know that under capitalism things that people do cause companies to have profits?
NOT ONLY are there obviously profits in it… but there’s also this inhuman evil beast system we live under that loves degrading and weakening humanity. The “LGBTQ” is all about that, whether it’s the turning men into women and targeting of the children, to the divide and conquer element of it all. I mean they’re literally using “letter people” to help collapse society.
lol no she did not just say fact check me in 10 years 💀
Emily is just a polite Transphobe. There are tons of studies. Please have Nominally Naomi on
Facts. On this podcast dismisses all the studies that show 95% of trans people don't detransition because she personally talked to a few detransitioners and skeptical doctors 🙄
And if you applied her logic that puberty blockers are too new to know the long term effects of even though we have decades of research, it would basically mean kids can only be prescribed penicillin because most mediations were developed in the past 30 years. There's no way she honestly believes that, she's just making excuses to deny trans youths care.
Transphobia is another term for sound minded so I hope everyone becomes transphobic.
@@RextheRebel you're not a loser and are very cool.
@@RextheRebel never gonna happen. Trans people have always existed and always will
Just a ton of studies in general or on something specific? Cause there aren’t a ton of studies on transgenderism. In fact, I think making a study on transgenderism would be really difficult because there isn’t a standard reason for being trans. I could become trans by just saying so without anything biological. However studies assume all transgenders have biological reasons. That’s why it’s so weird to differentiate biological women from trans women since the argument is that transgender women are also biological women. Thus me joining a study would cause noise since I’m just saying I’m trans and I have biological reasons.
She just gish galloped her way through this debate. Thank God Kyle at least wasnt afraid to laugh to her face
Maybe she had a lot of points to cover with a short amount of time to cover it in. If she has a lot of information to convey maybe that indicates that she has done a lot of reading.
@@markpostgate2551what a fucking stupid anti intellectual take. 'Someone talks a lot and they sound smart so they're probably right'. Jesus Christ
I barely even listened to this thing and I heard multiple points of hers that were CORRECT or had truth to them or exposed something that “your side” clearly doesn’t want exposed.
So… why are you lying?
When your ideology is liberalism, you can’t help but want to turn kids trans no questions asked.
@@NewNormalWorldOrder "We don't know the long term side effects of insulin or really any medicine", "Being trans is a social contagion caused by Gamergate", "Tucker Carlson!"
If you were at all convinced by this lady that's your own failing, don't pin anything on me for your own failure to think
Well done!! Thank you!
The denial of big pharma in the gender debate will prove to be a serious turning point
So what? Big pharma makes insulin, vaccines, and the drugs people use everyday to live. What is the point of this statement?
As much as I appreciate Emily discussing this in good faith, can conservatives please just say what they really think, "I feel people who change their sex makes me very uncomfortable to the point where I think it's unnatural and should be illegal" rather than pretending to care about long term health effects of hormones? That's not a convincing reason to support blocking people from living the life they want to live.
I think it is a reasonable reason.
There's like 2 million of us total in the country. Big Trans doesn't exist lmao. I appreciate Kyle and Krystal finally having more accurate takes than before. I appreciate them listening to us.
The notion that there would be a "Big Trans" to treat 0.6 percent of the population, most of whom probably never get SRS, is right up there with the missing Burisma witnesses in terms of being a joke.
Big Trans, Big Socialism, Big M4A, and of course the head of the table, Big Woke
Other countries are starting to wake up to your harmful ideology sooner or later it will catch up here also
There’s gotta be a 7’2” big trans woman out there
I don't think it's crazy to think that big pharma would take advantage of any number of people if they could make them a lifelong drug user.
Hey y'all, fan of the channel! I have a question about the internal dynamics of the show, particularly in preparing for this segment. How did y'all navigate the boss/employee relationship in preparation for this interview/debate?
Huh?
@@PrestoJacobson Well, sometimes people tread lightly around their bosses, and I know that Krystal employs that other lady... So I was just wondering.
I actually enjoyed this conversation, though I fear it’s a total waste of time for Kyle’s audience. No one wants to have their beliefs challenged, least of all progressives.
It came from an evangelical group who wanted to find a new animating wedge issue after they lost the gay marriage battle based on the SCOTUS decision 12:18
False, many feminists are speaking out about this issue as well
@@AlexJanesonDon't you guys hate feminism? Why do you suddenly care what second wave feminists, many of whom were genuine misandrists, believe/d?
i really appreciate that krystal and kyle were always trying to be on the side that gender affirming care and going in with like the assumption that it can be really helpful for kids, but i do not like this guest at all. im sure shes a nice person but from my perspective (a trans girl) it feels like she is boosting anti trans legislation and talking points while still trying to seem respectful and not outright saying i think it is a bad way of life. detransitioners are such a small percentage of people who do transition, and her bringing up irreversible/lifelong effects of hormone therapy and SPECIFICALLY hormone blockers cant help but feel disingenuous, because like girl, PUBERTY IS IRREVERSIBLE. i still do really appreciate you two and this show tho
You call yourself a trans girl and I wonder are you actually a minor or are you just another trans woman that likes to pretend they're young and fetishizes young girls
Conservatives have to engage with this topic dishonestly because they have nothing else other than their own personal and irrational "ick" factor
@@craigewen7542 Based on one case?
@@craigewen7542 this is why HRT should just be given to trans kids instead of puberty blockers
Idk, I'm pretty sure she isn't a nice person. She comes off as the archetypal paranoid mom who's scared of medicine and spends hours researching the ingredients listed on the back of food before deciding if she'll let her kids eat them. She seems like a pretty perfect example of the crystal/crunchy mom-to-fascist pipeline.
The second she made the "life long patient" arguement i immediately discredited her.
And im so glad Kyle brought up diabetes in response. As a diabetic, i always found the idea that if something requires on going care that its a hoax. Like medecine has advanced greatly but its not magic, some issues require multiple treatments or ongoing care.
Diabetes is the perfect example of a perpetual treatment racket. Aside from the 5% who are born with it or those who become diabetic in hospice care, the overwhelming majority of people can be cured of this lifestyle-related condition.
There is a huge financial interest in making all medical treatments palliative and perpetual; trans-medicalism is no different.
You can't be indoctrinated into being a Diabetic.
Schools, the media and parents aren't teaching 5 year olds that they can choose not to produce enough insulin to stay alive.
@@metranomic i think what you are refering to is type 2 diabetis which isnt as severe and often doesnt require insulin and can be controled with good diet. And yes type 2 is brought on by poor eating habits.
Type 1 on the other hand is severe, and does require life long care, I know this as a diabetic with type 1. This type isnt a outcome of poor lyfestyle, but genetics and the failure of the pancreas. If I dont take my insulin, my sugars go out of wack and I could die. Like nice try but next time try bullshitting someone who doesnt have it.
Also want to point me to anything that shows trans medicalism is about purely making money? Do you think they should make no money in a society that runs off money?
This is always the problem I have with these arguement.
They are so surface level and leave out all nuance. Its easy to say "ahh they make money off it" or "its not a simple one time easy fix solution, hence its a scam" and not elaborate to talk about why that is and then act like you made a good point.
Like sorry medicine isnt magical and cant fix everything in one treatment.
@@digitalshinigami8441 @metranomic Get rekt, loser.
@@digitalshinigami8441 "Aside from the 5% who are born with it" - it's literally right there; I am excluding the 5% of diabetics who are Type 1 from my statement that follows. It's really not that difficult.
As for the assertion that it's okay to have a profit motive in gender affirming care "because society runs on money" is a perverse statement that smacks of cultural imperialism. Let's not turn the whole world into America, thank you very much 🇪🇺
The science is difficult? I don't think the science is difficult at all.
"Teh Science™️"
Weirdos: the science is difficult
Scientists: please listen to our consensus for once in your life
@@phaerlax there is no harm that anyone can site re: puberty blockers and hormones. the European Concerns just talk about 'concerns' without saying what the actual harm is. gender affirming care at worst keeps the person at baseline, at best it saves lives and improves emotional health
@@wellingtonsmith4998 we all know that, to them, the worst and only relevant long-term harm caused by puberty blockers is *being transgender*
I agree.
Male = boy, female = girl. The science is easy peasy.
Kyle it was important to emphasize that the ones supporting these restrictive laws have shown hatred for the trans community. Its like giving George wallace the right to say how black people's high blood pressure get treated
We will stop people from succumbing to the hormonal inbalances and pron addiction that contribute to the trans social contagion
This "not enough long-term research" point is just a cudgel that anyone can pick up about literally anything. It's designed to not be argued with. There is no medication it couldn't be applied to, so if it becomes the consistent standard, no new medical treatments should ever be done to children
There are Republicans who still think the world is flat. Guess they're waiting for the research on that.
There's literally no ANYTHING it can't be applied to that hasn't been around for the long-term they seek. Whenever you're on the losing side, your only play is to make something impossible to argue against. This is what faith-based communities have been doing forever. Hard to argue against anything that is based on faith alone. Same applies to an argument that we haven't studied something for long enough. Who decides when long enough is? Apparently it's these right-wingers who are so concerned about everyone else when it scares them to look in the mirror.
It can’t be applied to aspirin for eg lol
@@truthteller2711 Why not? We can apply it to aspirin very easily simply by saying it. If I say "aspirin's effects haven't been studied for long enough" who are you to tell me how long "long enough" is? That's the issue... we can say that about shit that has been studied for a century if we want to because the only bar we have to get over is the one that is longer than a century. If I say we need two centuries of data to really know for sure that the data wasn't skewed by the lower CO2 levels in the atmosphere or the fact that middle class incomes were high enough that people weren't in as much poverty... or literally ANY excuse I want to... how can you debate that? Long-term is just a useless phrase. The definition of "long" in the phrase can be anything the user chooses.
@@truthteller2711 of course it can. It all depends on how long "long-term" means. We've discovered side effects to aspirin well after we started using it. There could still be other effects we haven't sussed out yet
4:00 why blocking early puberty and "on time" puberty should be considered the same? I mean, it depends on how much time you block it, but that could cause serious issues too.
The one clinic that famously made the news for high regret rates for post transition patients - was also reprimanded for NOT following industry protocols and guidelines for treatment. Most of the regret was this one clinics harm caused because they did not follow protocol. The term "high rate of regret" treatment was also made famous by this clinics case but was used as a catch all for everything that went wrong there. They did not specifically ask "do you regret transitioning", many had regrets from that clinic but were still wanting to transition. They did not regret the transition they regretted who they went to to get it done, big difference.
Don’t lie
Everyone who get drugged or mutilated for no consequence regrets it
Ffs
Source?
Look up the Tavistock clinic in the UK.
@@5353Jumper Tavistock was little more than a propaganda shop for freaks
Destroying healthy kids lives
It’s shut but really it should have been burned to the ground at the same time
@@dave2408literally not true.
What a concern troll. I took a starter dose of 2mg for months because I wanted to make EXTRA sure it was right for me and I'm 29. It's reversible well within the first year. These people will always need more evidence. Nothing will be enough.
I am very curious... is there a point in time where puberty blockers alone are irreversible?
What are the guidelines?
For example are you allowed to start at 10 years old... and use them until you are 27 or something?
My ignorance is showing I know... but I wonder.. if it's used like that... could your body really bounce back if you go off of them
"I think gender dysphoria was being treated better before it was hyper politicized"
Yeah, and which side politicized it again?
you know this is pride month right?
@@originalsinquirls1205 Yeah and pride exists as a protest to the discrimination queer people deal with today and historically
The left politicized it by pushing it on kids in public schools.
There is no internal feeling that is exclusive to men or women (or boys/girls), what makes anyone a man or a woman is being either male or female and reaching adulthood. Their sex and stage of physical maturity makes them men or women, not some "feeling" they have.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realising that their discomfort simply stems from not realising that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
3:50 Wouldn’t NOT using puberty blockers have permanent effects?
Is this woman a doctor? Then why is it her business? This is an argument for the medical profession.
Is Kyle a doctor? He always is talking about it
@@funandgames4645 He's also saying for politicians to stay out of it. Unlike the chubby girl.
@@ZZSmithReal chubby girl? So now you gotta resort to name calling? Real mature.
Everyone wants politicians to stay out of it until they want the medical procedures for transitioning and gender affirming medications to be free. But if it involves studies into the long term effects of these drugs and how they effect children, nope don’t want them involved
What do y’all mean by… “doctors”? You mean people who work under the allopathic system? Who work for hospitals who just want to make money? Doctors who AREN’T always good people?
I mean what’s even a doc, doc?
@@funandgames4645 She wants to stick her nose in other peoples' personal lives where it doesn't belong? TFB You're virtue signaling with the kiddie stuff bigot.
I find this conversation very interesting 😂
The term "Toxic Masculinity" was a term that was devised by The Poetic Men's Movement Robert Bly James Hillman in people like that.
Please upvote this so Kyle can see it! I had a dream last night that he had a beard and shaved his mustache and he looked 100x better. I think he should do that irl, not just in my dream.
Probably a big difference in giving a 9 year old puberty blockers until they're 11 and giving a 9 year old puberty blockers until 18.
For trans youth it would be putting an 11-14 year old on blockers until they are 13-17
@@wyldcardsamkids can go into puberty starting at like 9
@David-bh1rn generally it's 11-12
@@David-bh1rn also blockers aren't given at the start of puberty it's given at tanner 2
So if a man in his 20s transitions to be a woman. Are they less of a woman than if they took puberty blockers when they were 12?
I truly don't care about this because I have no knowledge about it and it has no impact on my life.
The blond haired lady is the only one who made common sense.
Bro have a body builder on this debate. You have so many people talking about hormones who have no idea what they’re talking about. You would be surprised how many doctors even endocrinologists got hormone therapy wrong for decades. To say trust the doctors is crazy on this one
For Emily to come on here and be open to a full debate against Krystal and Kyle. Major props. I disagree with her on MANY issues. But she showed up. And didn’t back down. THAT’S the kind of Conservative we need. Disagree or Agree. She showed up. And the debate was HEALTHY! Love this.
I like Emily a lot. And except on certain things where she's inflexible, her working with Ryan has helped evolve a lot of her former positions.
Why?
And leftists say debates are pointless....
She’s SCARY STUPID. This isn’t a 50/50 issue. Trans people and trans kids are unfairly targeted and people like Emily are making their lives worse by constantly crapping on them and acting like they’re somehow in the wrong. She shouldn’t have a platform. She’s trash.
@@apoc5000 Which leftists? Kyle and Krystal who is engaging in debates?
"Even if it's like insulin." So no insulin for diabetic kids, Emily?
A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female.
Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic.
Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for?
Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want?
If trans ideology isn't sexist, then why would a man ever need to "transition" if either sex is completely free to act however they want? How can you claim to be opposing sexism when the whole basis for anyone feeling the need to transition, literally is sexism?
How is gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? Or simply their PERSONALITY? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
Emily... Puberty is an irreversible medical condition, and it is expensive to fix it in adulthood. And not allowing people to have access when they're young means their chances to have a decent life is hard. Especially for non-white trans people.
And here is the thing... The regret rates for Trans Care are INSANELY fucking low. Did we stop doing other life saving care because 1 person had a bad time? That is the issue. There is DOZENS of other surgeries (Some that ACTUAL teenagers get) which high higher regret rates than trans care.
Where is your outrage and concern for TEENAGERS getting rhinoplasties, breast surgeries, dental surgery, et cetera and so forth? It's hypocrisy on the behalf of the right wing, who find anythings strange or out of the norm to be suspect.
Granted, we should be concerned about a medical industrial complex, but you first need to PROVE there is a medical industrial complex motive to "Trans Kids". And this point is unfounded, as there isn't enough profit in providing trans care of this sort.
Man you talk one load of shit
You can’t change sec
You don’t stop nature
Everyone will regret the lie you told them
Your are to blame
Go Kyle go! I’m a psychologist who does pre surgical mental health evaluations for gender affirming care. Clients often evidence suicidal ideation due to dysphoria and incongruence between identity and physical body whereby individuals experience ongoing sense of unease, disgust, anxiety, and depression with body presentation, inability to look in the mirror, distress during showering and in public. It’s truly life saving care. I’m wondering, has Emily ever spoken with trans individuals seeking gender affirming care? Or doctors who see the psychosocial and functional impacts of gender dysphoria on people? Doctors don’t speak out against gender affirming care not because we’re scared of being called bigots, but because we see the benefits of gender affirming care frequently.
Of course she didn't. She probably listened to some right-wing pundits and cherry-picked evidence to suit her ideology. If she actually cared about the truth of the matter, she would talk to the professionals you suggested and wouldn't be regurgitating the same brainless talking points
Thank you for posting!
Have you ever had a patient with body dysmorphia?
ever seen that statistic of doctors preferring to do c-sections?
as a psychologist, i hope you can link me to a good study showing how effective gender affirming care is.
seeing as all i've gotten so far is trash, i really would like a counterpoint.
Proud of Kyle for this one
The terms "man" and "woman" encompass every possible personality, within physical boundaries, any man or woman is free to act, think, look, behave however they want, that they as individuals are labelled as men or women is purely about the physical - saying a man is an adult human male, and a woman an adult human female does not restrict anyone's self-expression, not wanting to acknowledge one's physical reality is a fool's errand, the sex someone is doesn't change based on how anyone feels or dresses - so it is the "trans" side that 100% is creating this false narrative that acknowledging a person's sex is somehow restrictive, they are the side saying men or women behave like this or that. I mean if they weren't doing that, then they would agree that the umbrella terms based on sex, man and woman, were perfectly fine - but they don't! They say no no, if someone doesn't FEEL like the sex they are, they can't be it, though they cannot explain what "feeling cis" even really means, because NO ONE shares the exact same experiences emotionally. What "they" are trying to do is swap a definition that has a physical basis, for a definition that is entirely rooted in feelings and often in validating sexist stereotypes associated with either sex.
This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them.
Would be interesting if some guest actually said this stuff to the hosts, they never engage with actual intellectual criticism, just strawman and lie.
All I hear from Emily can be described by two words: "Concern trolling".
The truth is that it we apply to the rest of drugs, we couldn't take any kind of medicine. Every single drug has or can have secondary effects. If you read the prospects that come with those products you'll understand what I'm talking about. A single aspirine can cause lots of harm
Yes, and we often don't know all the side-effects of a drug when it's first approved. Remember Rosanne Barr and her zombie Ambien tweetng? No one knew that could happen at first.
well you really shouldn't take any prescribed medicine unless it's absolutely necessary if you're in america.
Yeah, that's why you should take medicine just in case you need it. Especially if you are a kid.
@@sun1one1 we know the side effects pretty well. This drugs have existed for decades
@@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc
Cite anything whatsoever
Kyle: Here are some statistics
Emily: I disagree, fact check me in 10 years
"Transitioning" kids especially is brand new. So Emily is being completely reasonably.
@@harrisd1983 no it really isn't the diagnosis has been available since 1980 and we have studies going back more than a decade
Call, David C., Mamatha Challa, and Cynthia J. Telingator. ‘Providing Affirmative Care to Transgender and Gender Diverse Youth: Disparities, Interventions, and Outcomes’. Current Psychiatry Reports 23, no. 6 (2021): 33-33.
@@nuergang7278 you can't compare 1980 to 2023.
In 1980 there was a sigma with "transgender". Those doctors would've only seen the most severe cases.
In 2023 and back nearly a decade "transgender" is not only not stigmatized, but is chic. That means not just the most severe cases are "transitioning", but also people trying to be trendy.
@@harrisd1983 if you have any studies showing the prevalence of "people transitioning to be trendy" I would like to see them rather than of course studies which are used for hypothesis formation
also given that most of the studies are from the last two decades I was more comparing the research of thhe last two decades to now
@@nuergang7278 The UK and many EU countries have stopped doctors giving kids puberty blockers. Normally Krystal&co look to the EU when discussing medical matters but on this occasion they're not 🤔
Kyles face is priceless. Krystal has a poker face
The "bro we're not talkin about an 8 year old" toward the beginning made it clear that Kyle would be good on this lmao
Failed to note the well studied rate of suicide on trans folk who don't transition. Compare speculative health effects of puberty blockers against quantifiable decrease in suicide rate. This woman is concern trolling as per usual.
i’ve thé calm and thoughtful idea debate, this was refreshing and interesting
She literally compared hormones to insulin in our lack of “long-term” evidence. And immediately said it could be malpractice 16:00
Ask her if prescribing insulin to a diabetic could be malpractice then! That would be the logically consistent answer.
kyle be dropping bombs lowkey "so, he's bought off by big trans ?"🤣
You don't find it suspicious that our for-profit healthcare system is donating to advocacy groups for lifetime treatments and 100k surgeries? I like Kyle but it was naive to say that without putting 2 and 2 together
What she’s saying about canola oil and health is what people were talking about 10 years ago (mostly left)
Appreciate the debate
“a lot of evidence” aka picking only what suits her narrative and seeking out people who agree with her to use anecdotes from to support it
How old are you
@@AdolfTrudeau Real question is, why are you asking strangers on the internet for their age? Weirdo
@donalvarez4006 1 like already, quick! I had noticed in a different post they mentioned they were trans. Was wondering how old they were and when they starting transitioning
Yep. If it wasn't the case, following the actual statistics is a no-brainer
@kirglow4639 those long term studies, eh? 🤣 bout as honest and biased as fauci with covid.
IMO the only debate on gender affirming care for trans youth that should be happening at this point is how do we get the rate of misdiagnosis to a statistical zero. Help the science to better help the individuals caught up in the 'hysteria' to not be misdiagnosed as trans while perfecting the gender-affirming care for real trans kids. If you are cis/het you have no idea what it is like for people who are LGBTQIA go through puberty.
well yeah but it’s already basically statistically zero. any more gatekeeping will keep people from proper care. now if you can figure out better questions to ask, maybe that could help, but i think should be up to doctors at this point
@@pippilongstocking5000 That's why I'm calling for perfecting the science so that we can get misdiagnosis to a statistical zero.
@@pippilongstocking5000 The argument that you are making here is that since you have detransitioned then nobody is really trans & we should stop giving everyone gender-affirming care?
@@morgan0 I agree with you but since this has all become a pop debate being used as political distraction with real life consequences the point needs to be made.
@@morgan0 It's unavoidable. A tiny minority of people will go through extreme surgery because they are mentally ill and that's certainly not down to the trans community. People get amputations, 100lb breasts, extreme butt implants etc, Do we stop all cosmetic surgery? Nope. The point i'm actually trying to make is that these things happen and for those trans who regret the surgery, we should always take into account grifters and the mentally ill. The actual trans regret surgery is likely less than 0.0001 percent.
What’s the name of the guest?
Great debate.
Why does every opinion now have to about "left and right." Its just lazy. Someone can be more left and be against kids transitioning and people on the right just as easily be for it. Not to mention the vast amount of moderates out there who see both sides. Assigning every belief or opinion to one side or the other is part of the reason everything is so extreme and people cant find common ground.
That’s kyle and Krystal’s thing. It’s the smug “right always bad left always good” tribalistic thinking. Notice Emily and Krystal talking calmly and then there’s Kyle getting emotional and angry. And god forbid someone mentions RFK and Marianne in the same sentence
I knew I was straight before I was 5. Why would it be any different for a trans person? Maybe 9 or 10 I think would be the latest possibly? When 12 I would think that you would know for sure how you feel about the opposite or same sex and what you feel you are.
Sexuality and believing you're the opposite sex aren't equivalent in any way.
I didn't know I was straight until 12 or 13. No physical attraction either way before that.
sexual orientation and gender identity are not related at all so not sure why you're making a comparison.
@@kstrazz3552because both need to be equally defended in this generations culture war from the regressives.
So why can't parents agree to marry their 13 yr old off to a grown man, if they all agree it's the best life decision?
Give someone at least to the age of 18 . People don’t even know who they are. It’s really people living through their children
If puberty blockers are reversible, can someone just explain to me what happens when a 12 year old starts taking them and then stops at say the age of 18. Are you just going to look like an oversized preteen for several years and the all then sudden you decide to let your body do it’s natural thing over the next 5 years and you start growing tits, hips, labia, etc…..or your penis grows out and your voice deepens and you get broad shoulders, etc… you really think that how it’s going to go down? You think you can literally pause the bodies development like that and not have some major issues down the road?
You know men can grow till there 25 , brains don’t stop developing until 28, even if you used the maker of alcohol and tobacco, saying 17 is “old” is LITERALLY IGNORANT ASF
Yeah tf is that?
Has your gender changed through all that other growth?
Great conversation guys ! Emily should come on again in the future
Maybe kids should wait, but if they don't, then who gives a flying fuck. More importantly, it's none of YOUR business whether they wait or not.
Then why are you making it your business by joining the discussion here in this comment section. Who’s business is it? The parents? The regulators? The researchers? Maybe kids should wait on surgical transitioning ‘but if they dont, who gives a flying fuck’ is a morally egregious thing to truly believe.
This comment section has drastically changed since i last watched a Secular Talk video. Y'all are freaks.
What do you mean? And how long has it been? I'm genuinely asking, not being rude
There is only one person who has spent every single moment of your life with you. One person who has experienced your swirling sea of feelings. And that's you. No one can tell you that they understand you better than yourself. Anti trans propagandists ignore the majority of trans people and their lived positive experiences with transitioning, to focus on a measly 1%. It's as irrational as saying you can't eat something because I don't like the way it tastes.
Focusing so much on trans people is in itself focusing on a tiny 1%
"Lived experiences" is just a pseudonym for "anecdotal data". Nobody cares about your feelz. Schizophrenics feel that they're all manner of things.
And the issue with teens transitioning, yeah, I agree there's some moral grey areas there, but I'd argue that it's a HELL of a lot better than teens becoming mentally ill, developing deadly eating disorders due to dysphoria, or just straight up killing themselves (trans girl Leelah Alcorn's death still haunts me to this day, 8 years later). You know that "41% suicide rate" that people who think trans is fake troll with? Idk where they got that specific %, but apparently among trans people who have families and friends that support them and communities that offer trans affirming care and affirm their gender identity, their suicide rate drops to that of the general population-- what a shocker, huh.
@@_lil_lilthey get that statistic from a paper which looked at "ideation", I believe it originated at the Williams Institute.
Long story short, the paper looked at a lifetime sample of trans people and asked who had ever considered suicide - not attempted, or successfully completed, CONSIDERED. If you at any time even passingly thought about suicide, you got counted on the list.
That paper was posted to a journal where it was IMMEDIATELY misinterpreted by the good people at Mumsnet, who then started the rumor that 41% of us kill ourselves the moment we take any treatment or make anything official. It's stuck around ever since
@@_lil_lil What would the suicide rate of Schizophrenics drop to if everyone played along with their delusions?
Can you also explain why there's a huge overlap between Autism and "gender dysphoria"?
The main problem is the "social contagion" element and normalising this ridiculous "gender identity" nonsense in schools. Teaching 8 year old kids with Autism that they aren't a boy or a girl but can choose whether they're a boy or girl is child abuse, and leading them down the path of "gender dysphoria".
No we don’t all of the sudden care about the boring WNBA, we have daughters who love to compete and just maybe can be good enough to get a scholarship.. once again, common sense.
Wondering why her comment has been ignored. Did she compete in women’s sports back in her day? Supporting fair competition is a human right also. Track and Field, swimming, tennis, weight lifting, skateboarding, have been impacted by this issue. Drugs that can impact performance is banned but the physical advantage of transgender women is not.
The biggest thing is WE DO NOT KNOW, we simply don't know FOR SURE. To me at least the means WE SHOULD FIND OUT! Go forward with care based on the best info we have now and keep gathering data until we do know.
I agree with this energy but it’s just factually not correct.
We do know
The first sex change in America was over a century ago
The medications they put trans ppl on have been taken first by cis people for decades
Every single society humanity has ever produced has evidence of Queer culture
Amazing
Great debate! Imo this is the only way you should have on cultural right wing warriors like Emily who will spew talking point salads without any supporting evidence and in the face of all facts if left unchallenged.
Emily’s position is basically just “I think being trans is unhealthy because it’s unhealthy. Therefore we should not allow trans.” It’s a religious position not a political position
Agreed. She sounds intelligent at first, but her arguments are terrible.
I'm only 8 minutes in, but it sounds more like her position is that it's unknown rather than unhealthy
That is conservatism in a nutshell.
@@Knucklebreaking the implication she is making is “if it’s unknown it’s unhealthy.” That’s how religious conservatism works.
1) anything unknown is unhealthy
2) anything unhealthy should be banned
3) stop trying to determine if an unknown is healthy because doing so is “supporting sin”.
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To be discussing teenagers mutilating their body is insanity.
The guidelines don't address the fact that the pre frontal cortex of the brain doesn't fully mature until age 26, which is why adolescents do risky things. The problem comes down to the fact that body maturity occurs 13 years prior to brain maturity.
Kids should wait til their brain is fully developed before making this decision. Period.
So you can take your own life into your own hands at 15 when you start driving but
And you have the right to consent over what happens to your body always
Unless you’re trans, then you’re not allowed to take your own life into your own hands and consent to what happens to your body.
….okay
@@Zweigenhaft9 oh stop. No one ever wishes they never learned to drive. Stop reaching. Lol
@@Zweigenhaft9
Groomer👆
Sometimes antidepressants work for people, sometimes they don't. Sounds like this is probably that scenario.
Who the hell is this person and why should anyone care what they think?
Wow, you must have such a humble soul and a tolerant, open-minded spirit.
@@hopesy12u4 unless this person has some kind of expertise around child development in trans youth I don't give a rat's ass about their "concerns" around this issue.
@@sarahwbs then why did you watch Kyle and Krystal talk about this issue? They don’t have child development degrees. Why were you here?
nice of Kyle to invite his cousin.
Kyle inspiring me to bleach the hair hha
The WPATH medical standards. No medication until 14. Some degree of puberty will happen, just enough. Puberty blockers can stop further puberty to give time to think. Then hormones around that age if sure. No surgery until 18. WPATH standards, the ones who do this medicine that is what should be done.