while i enjoyed the show, i wasn't sold on the ending...precisely because i know the history and just having a flash forward of Sekigahara was lame. sure we closed out the story of big characters, but there's still alot of characters and stories that can be told and if the ultimate goal is the siege of Osaka, Toronaga and Ochiba's relationship and mental chess match needs to be played out (and the ultimate bingo card should be that Toronaga knows Ochiba's secret). Blackthorne had a strong start but then faded. Blackthorne can have a major role again if they explore how he historically taught Japan to build the first european-style ship, how he established trade with other european powers other than the Portuguese, give him a happy love story cause he married a Japanese wife (i think this and the actor that plays his wife will be crucial cause she needs to charm him and us, the audience). the battle of Sekigahara hinged on the allegiance of a few key lords and one in particular turned the tide...there will be plenty of political drama to explore in season 2. there are big, big figures in Japanese history involved that can be explored like: Hattori Hanzo, Miyamoto Musashi and Sanada Yukimura.
It could be great, it could be terrible. It could be a prequel, it could be a sequel. Only time will tell. I hope it's a prequel so we have more Anna Sawai. Shogun II. The Rise of Toranaga.
There's no such thing as "necessary" TV shows. Not a single TV show has ever been necessary. There's only good ones or bad ones. If the 2nd season is half as good as the 1rst, I'm OK.
tbh the blackthorn character the show is base on IRL William Adams lived an epic life and indeed there is much much more to the story than the book covered.
Umm... did people forget that Clavell's source material is the actual 300 years of Tokugawa history in Japan? There's your source material right there 😂
I wouldn't mind a season 2, especially since so much of the political intrigue with the church, and the black ship was left out. I know they mentioned Mariko's deal, but it was wrapped up too quickly. A second season would allow that plot to develop and allow more scenes with Rodriguez, who was criminally under shown. Also, as you mentioned, i think the climax of the show would have to be the Siege of Osaka, Ochiba would not just let Toranaga become Shogun, over her son, the would be second Taiko. But the final episode would need to be a small time lapse to when the Emperor invited Toranaga to become Shogun. To be honest, there could even be a potential third season, if they wanted to do a story centered around the Shimabara Rebellion, which happened only 37 years after Sekigahara.
Flower has fallen. Leave it alone. Either they’re gonna have to make up a very fictitious version of the early Toranaga/Tokugawa Shogunate (since the rest of that character’s/person’s life is not particularly eventful), or they could go with a prequel that focuses on events like the initial unification of Japan and the ascent of the taiko (this could at least justify bringing back many of the popular characters from season 1). Personally, I vote for an option 1 crossover involving an adaptation intersecting the end of _Shogun_ with the events portrayed in _Lone Wolf and Cub_ . The _LW&C_ timeline could be adjusted to the beginning of the Edo period with Ogami Itto losing then regaining the favor of Toranaga (differing from the plot of _LW&C_ ). This would also give other amazing Japanese actors their turn in the Hollywood spotlight.
@@Yoda2422 - I agree. But because the expectation is that Sanada will return as Toranaga, it has to be set within the same general time period and be an extension of the story told in season 1.
Season 2 will definitely mean flashback scenes to show the storylines left out from Season 1 and there's a lot of them. They left out so much from the book. It also means a drawn out action scene of the battle at Sekigahara although the book only described it in a single sentence in the last paragraph of the book. It's going to turn out a disaster I'm sure.
If they do S2, I want to see a lot more scenes with Rodriguez. Such an amazing frenemy character! And Blackthorne should really end up with Fuji. She's awesome! She risked her own life for Blackthorne by pointing those pistols to defend the house. Smart, brave, loyal, and beautiful.
Since a lot of people are saying the same thing, here's more info: when I say there's no source material, I mean a book, like James Clavell's novel, with all the plots laid out and characters ready. I know there's a lot of history that can be adapted, but that's a lot more difficult to do than a book, which already has everything planned out. If they are basing the second season on real history, then good luck because that's going to be a tough job for the writers. That doesn't mean I don't have hope though. I think they can do a good job if they give themselves enough time and not rush it like many others do. Love you guys thanks for the comments ❤
I’m stoked. This team is genius. They can do anything. Go back in time w blackthorn and pre season one in Japan.In depth look at battle. Post shogun Christian purge. The Macao story and silver mining in Columbia. It endless. I could write four seasons. Pieces of eight. Mongol invasion. As long as it’s this team it won’t be crappy fight scenes every ten seconds. I’ve watched every episode 8 times and I’m not tired of it. I almost committed sepuku when it was over so there’s that too. I need this.
assuming non-linear progression, there's a lot of room to fill in gaps and time jump all over the place with Season 2. opening the door for all characters to be a part of Season 2, not just those who were still alive at the end of the last episode of Season 1. Whatever they choose to do, if it is as beautiful as Season 1, and the scripts and acting as well done, I will be in. If there will be more FUJI-sama, I am 100% all in! I truly fell in love with her, I think there's a lot more story to be told just with her character alone. I am happy to hear about a Season 2, I felt I could watch that world on and on, so beautiful. as a die-hart Tolkien fan, I learned long ago to try to let go of what I expect to see on screen vs source material. It will rarely ever be exactly what you want nor expect. let it go. enjoy this artists version of the world you came to know in other ways.
On the plus side, if a season 2 turns out bad (as I expect) it won’t hurt season 1 too much. Since season 1 is great as a stand alone I can easily dismiss and forget a bad season 2. Think of all the direct-to-video sequel movies that have been made over the years. They may be hard to watch, especially if you love the original movie, but they are easy to forget or even skip. 🙃
There is no source material from Clavell but you have the actual Japanese history on Miura Anjin who "Naturalized" to Japan which is more rich than Clavell's novel.
It feels like a very very bad idea. The series was based on thick novel and had already been adapted into a mini-series once before in the 80s. They started with a great and deep story to draw from and examples from the eighties that it could work on television. Not only that they started working on it back in 2018!! A great production company, great sets and costumes, even great actors need a great script from which to work if they want something good at the end. They do not have a story anymore and worse they will be on a time crunch to get a second season thrown together too. I fear a second season won’t only be less but bad bad bad.
This is awesome! Let's discuss what should definitely happen in Season 2. (Spoilers for anyone who hasn't finished season 1): 1. Killing off popular characters was definitely a terrible idea, serieswise. But are they really dead? My idea for the series 2 twist is that some shadowy figure is behind the council of regents, pulling the strings. Big reveal... it's Mariko! MIND BLOWN. As in, her mind was blown. The explosion gave her brain damage, and now she's crazy. Crazy sexy! 2. The fan favorite of course was Tadanobu Asano. Gotta bring him back, of course. Unfortunately, he wasn't just singed by an explosion, he was flat out decapitated on screen. But what if he had an identical twin? You could say the twin was the one who was beheaded, but if we bring back too many characters who were killed in season 1 it might get stale. So instead, have Tadanobu play the twin in season 2. Only he's the good twin, of course. So you'd have a Loki thing going on where you take a villain played by a popular actor and turn them into a hero, for the fans. 3. More Ninja! 4. At least one scene where two female samurai fight each other. Barefoot. 5. Dare I say it... Kaiju? 6. At least one actual battle. Is that too much to ask? With Kaiju. 7. Better costumes 8. I really want to see the hijinks that ensue with that mission in Edo that's next door to a brothel.
Actually, they skipped a lot of content from the book. That they didn't explored and adapted in this adaptation. Such as the relationship between Toranaga and his other son. Or Blackthorne and Fuji (Fujiko in the Novel)'s relationship. And his marriage to Kiku-san in the novel. So they do have some source material from the book to do a sequel of sorts. Great video ❤
It is obvious that they cannot bring back Mariko because she is dead. But there are ways to bring Fuji back into the fold. Just have her pulled a 180 and change her mind and bring her back. After all, this is greenfield territory here. They can do whatever they want. Let’s jut hope the quality is just as high as season1. Otherwise, we don’t want it.
There is the real history of William Adams The base for John Blackthorne's character. And what Toranaga said at the end of shogun. And Blackthorn is mentioned in other Clavell novels like Gai- Jin And Tai Pan.
I tweeted this too. I'm hyped but at the same time I cried when the finale came. Leaving me saying to myself do I want Season 2? I get both sides and even if it's no inspiration from the other books. I'm curious as to what new stuff they can bring up. It's 50/50 as it should be Shogun became my favorite show of all time. I just hopes it shocks people again when S2 come around
It's rather interesting from a historical point of view to come. We could film the real Osaka Castle in Japan and the bells of Hokoji Temple. Season 1 is just the beginning.
It should have a 2nd season but should be based on history with some fictitious intricate drama weaving through the main plot leading to the sekigahara battle
I am not a book lover like most viewers are, and they watched the show hoping for a big armies vs armies battle and the demise of Ishido, instead what we got was a story telling conversation and no battle, a let down for us.
If there is one thing that I can hold out hope for, it's that this production team and writers have a mastery of subtlety in storytelling and have done nothing but surprise and thrill me whenever I have started to doubt. However, they are really playing with fire from what I feel was a perfect season/series. I loved the book, and I possibly loved the show more, but ultimately both were a rehash of history, and there sure is a lot more interesting history and characters to cover in that era. But now they are off the track of a great novel and toying with beloved characters. I really hope they don’t just AI-generate some story arcs as a cash grab and actually do something interesting to tell the story further. Just an idea, but maybe they could do a season of one-off episodes filling out the characters' pasts, presents, and futures. (Kind of like the Covid interstitial episodes of Euphoria. Those two episodes were incredible character pieces and were almost the best thing out of an already pretty great show.) Toranaga's backstory and future have a ton of potential, but you could also explore Buntaro fleeing and fighting to Izu after being left in Osaka. You could depict some good Blackthorn pre-Japan sailing adventures. I also see the potential for some Mariko-Ochiba backstory or Fuji becoming a nun. A future Omi-Kiku-Gin Willow World in Edo story could have legs, and a Yabushige backstory could almost be a "Better Call Saul" series within itself.
Honestly my guess would be that it wouldn’t actually be a season 2 of shogun as they are done with that story but maybe instead a new story with the same quality and set in a later or earlier time than shogun… maybe the Edo period or the Kamakura or nanbokucho period or even earlier the war between the Taira and Minamoto
There actually might be some source material. Rumor has it that Clavell was working on the direct sequel to Shogun at the time of his passing. Seeing that his daughter is one of the executive producers, she would have access to this. Not sure how I feel about this however. I thought the book ended perfectly. And as much as i loved the show, the ending they had just felt empty to me. Then again, the book is one of my all time favorites, so I might have beem expecting more
Since there is no second part to the novel, what I would expect is a pre-season 1 story. In this dorama, how the character Toranaga was created is described. He is modeled after a historical figure, Tokugawa Ieyasu. It was Mariko's father who rebelled against Oda Nobunaga in the Honnoji Incident, and the warlord who vanquished the traitor was Taikou, who was Toranaga's rival. This drama, which is a prelude to Season 1, allows for the reintroduction of Toranaga, Hironaga, Yabushige, and Mariko. Unfortunately, Blackthorn does not appear in this period.
I agree that's no source material from the book. But there is Historical source material to go on for many seasons! Same Historical source material that the book used. I really missed the Sekigahara battle! Don't get me wrong, the final episode was FANTASTIC, it gave everything of the nuance, political, strategical, philosophical approach , that Toranaga(based on Tokugawa Ieasu), had. But yes, an Historical romance, crafted to perfection that has a lot to go on, if the artists involved feel that it would be good , then let's have it!
There is source material: 1. A lot of the novel was cut from the series. We saw this in The Godfather Part 2 with the Young Vito storyline. If you haven't read the novel, you are not going to believe who Anjin marries. 2. Clavell was writing about Tokugawa Ieyasu. A team of writers can do the same. Just like Clavell, they can introduce fictional characters and not offend history buffs. 3. The series was better than the novel. Clavell did not understand a lick of the Japanese language. If you understand Japanese, it is pretty jarring trying to read that gibberish. The writing team really cleaned up Clavell's draft and should be able to take the story into the sequel.
I wish they could show the past events of Shogun like Star Wars, such as how Toranaga grew up. Shogun Toranaga is based on the true story of Ieyasu Tokugawa, who is the founder and first shogun of the Tokugawa Shogunate of Japan. After a long period of inner conflict, Ieyasu and his descendants created the "Pax Tokugawa," which was an era of internal peace and political stability that lasted over 250 years. When he was eight years old, Ieyasu was sent as a hostage to the Imagawa clan. Anyway, it would be very interesting to watch if Shogun Season 2 created a drama about young Ieyasu to see how the hostage boy became a strategic shogun. ruclips.net/video/NQMI6h-iNqk/видео.html
There's actually a lot of story left. This was loosely based on real people and events. Anjin ends up setting up trade between Japan and England. He actually marries and lives long life in Japan. Buntaro actually out lived them all. Toranaga doesn't immediately become Shogun, so I think there's plenty of source if you draw from the actual history.
it's really not a bad move. they'll just fictionalize real history and match it with the events in the book / season 1. if you know some of the actual historical events that unfolded, you know things are going to get crazy
The only way this would really work is if they make it anthology and fill in gaps that the series run couldn't cover...like an extended deleted scenes run.
I am thorn, season one was just brilliant! Of course, I want more, I need more. With that said, i am not sure they should not do it. History records of fail when you go outside of source material is huge, but hey if God Omens could do it, they even had the original source materials creators to write more. There have been many instances where going beyond the source material has failed.
If they followed history too closely and much beyond the battle of Sekigehara, a season 2 would make Toranaga go from an ambiguous character, to a really bad guy and ruin the mystery around him which was so well developed in Season 1. Unless season 2 only covered the time immediately after season 1 and was focused on and around the battle of Sekigehara, that might be epic, would be a different kind of show but would give many fans what we wanted.
They should have just stretched the source material over two seasons, there was plenty that they skipped over. Beyond the book, Osaka castle was singed for a year, 1814-15…..
Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought the show-runners would make a second season to this iconic show. Hard act to follow. I feel i have dishonored my T.V. instincts and mistakenly doubted Next Season. I will commit Seppuku at sundown if the second season doesn't live up to the first. (naw, not really)
This is wrong because the story has reached its intended end with many of the interesting characters killed off. What are they planning to do? Bring back Mariko and Yabu? I don't think this is going to be a good sequel. "Unless I win". Yeah it will be hopeless, unless they made it another "win".
I utterly and completly disagree with you. Regarding the "source material", Clavel book is based in real life characters, which had A LOT MORE INTERESTING LIVES just after the point the book ended! If they just get inspiration on the real life characters and events they can make a fricking interesting Season 2 and beyond. Just, and example, Tokugawa Ieyasu used Adams (in real life) to start merchant trading with the Dutch, and take out power from the Christian daimios. And oh boy it was a complicated matter. Because Adams sided with the Japanese and not the Dutch (that tought Adams was "their man"). Returning Fuji to the series is trivial (she's not dead, we don't even know if she has went to the Shinto or Buddhist Monestery that its, quite close to Anjio anyway) and Adams married, in real life, the daughter of a Samurai Lord. We also, have, a lot of really interesting, and also fun, characters that have been complitly underused or nearly ignored in Season 1 (Vasco Rodriguez, anyone?) So no, they have to really screw it hard to not make an interesting Season 2. I'm, kinda, baffled why Clavel doesn't followed with the lives of the characters, because he didn't touch one of the most interesting episodes in the history of Japan. The era of the Shogunate and the ending of Portuguese (and west) influence in Japan for nearly 300 hundred years.
Clavell changed the historical names so that he could take certain artistic liberties with the actual events to be able to tell a good story first and foremost for a Western audience who at the time were not familiar with Japanese history. There's a lot that can be done with that approach, but at the same time you're gambling that the writers that you have will be able to continue to tell the story of another author without alienating that same author's fans. You can point to Game of Thrones or even Kennedy's version of Star Wars. Yeah, you would still make money off of milking the franchise for a bit, but you also risk damaging the franchise and gaining a bad reputation for yourself. In the long term, it would be better just to create some new series set in feudal Japan or adapt another one of Clavell's books.
A prequel would work better. They could bring back 3 beloved characters they killed off. Pick up the story where Lord Toranaga is a young general & take it from there. Without Yabushige, Mariko & Hiromatsu the fan base will not be satisfied.
Somehow I'm not really surprised, let's not forget that this is on Disney+ , you know, those are the same people who keep milking Star Wars again and again and again till there is nothing decent left.
They can can in 2 different directions since they already adapted the book, They can countinue to adapt more events albeit in a historical ficiton sense with what happened with williams and the shogunate(trust me their is a lot of stuff and events that happened ) or can go in a total different direction with different events all together. its hard to tell and they can mess this up as the first season had the book for basis of all characters traits, directions, actions and personalities, without that it will be tough as it will depend entirely on the momentum of the writers to keep in interested and hollywood writers are not exactly the best these days.
What do you mean no source material? We have hundreds of years of history and Tokugawa's exploits to draw from. Although Mariko and Ochiba were based on actual people Fuji was largely made up anyhow. We have many talented actors and actresses in Japan that can bring excellent characters to the show .
Yes, like I said in another comment, adapting a book is always a lot more easier than adapting a whole history. Bringing together different historical sources and carving out a dramatic story would take years imo.
@@thenextseason True but if you think about it, Clavell basically took Tokugawa's story and embellished it a bit. There are a plethora of adaptations of the stories in Japan that could be used to modernize it a bit. As you mentioned, the Siege of Osaka and Battle of Sekigahara are almost seasons on their own, or at least a movie length story. You can go do off shoots about the rise of the Yagyu clan, the Christian Expulsion, building of Edo Castle, we could go on and on.
I thought shogun would be a mini series The ending of season 1 is less spectacular than i was expected ( no epic battle) But i think season 2 would be boring without my boi kakihara
there are like a million historic dramas on Japanese tv and I just would take the most successful one connected to the topic, americanize it a little and voila :-)
IT'S CONFIRMED GUYS! FX IS WORKING ON SHOGUN SEASON 2 & 3!
Toranga probably planned season 2 before season 1
Considering how Sanada really wanted to promote Japanese culture and history, I'd say this is probably true :))
I think they are going to pull from actual history
@@586bomin yeah I agree that's the only source of material that available. They can make Ueda castle siege 1st and 2nd or the Osaka siege 1st and 2nd
@@586bomin yeah I agree that's the only source of material that available. They can make Ueda castle siege 1st and 2nd or the Osaka siege 1st and 2nd
😂😂😂Nobody else getting the joke!.....
Fuji-sama didn't die in the first season, we really want to see her back again!
She was the only reason I watched the show
lmao
Best girl
@@wishforworldpeace well that's a bit sad. She was the ONLY reason?
@@wishforworldpeace xd are u stupid, she had basically no screen time
Yes I'd love to see her as well ❤
It should be left as a near perfect one off tv experience.
Unless, it turns out great.
Either way, as a business decision, they'd be crazy not to cash in on its success.
while i enjoyed the show, i wasn't sold on the ending...precisely because i know the history and just having a flash forward of Sekigahara was lame. sure we closed out the story of big characters, but there's still alot of characters and stories that can be told and if the ultimate goal is the siege of Osaka, Toronaga and Ochiba's relationship and mental chess match needs to be played out (and the ultimate bingo card should be that Toronaga knows Ochiba's secret). Blackthorne had a strong start but then faded. Blackthorne can have a major role again if they explore how he historically taught Japan to build the first european-style ship, how he established trade with other european powers other than the Portuguese, give him a happy love story cause he married a Japanese wife (i think this and the actor that plays his wife will be crucial cause she needs to charm him and us, the audience). the battle of Sekigahara hinged on the allegiance of a few key lords and one in particular turned the tide...there will be plenty of political drama to explore in season 2. there are big, big figures in Japanese history involved that can be explored like: Hattori Hanzo, Miyamoto Musashi and Sanada Yukimura.
It could be great, it could be terrible. It could be a prequel, it could be a sequel. Only time will tell. I hope it's a prequel so we have more Anna Sawai. Shogun II. The Rise of Toranaga.
They'd have to use cgi to make Toronaga look younger then, though.
@@chilly6470 Fortunately, doing so is rapidly getting cheaper and more effective.
But if it's a prequel taking place in Japan, then it would mean no John Blackthorne :(
@@thenextseason Who you want? Blackthorne or Mariko. Make mine Anna.
I want to see the Shogun and Queen of the British formally meet.
As long as Mr. Sanada is on board for a second season then I am too without a doubt!!!!!!!!!!❤❤
Plenty of left over characters. The question isn’t whether they can, but rather should they?
If they don’t bring back Mariko-sama as a ghost or zombie i’m not watching
Oh man. She died. Move on.
😂😂😂. Maybe it’s a prequel!
Don’t worry, they will find her twin sister 😂
Spoilers: They will Find the 7 dragon balls and bring her back.
I didn't see no body.
It's not necessary unless they are going to follow the actual history
There's no such thing as "necessary" TV shows. Not a single TV show has ever been necessary. There's only good ones or bad ones. If the 2nd season is half as good as the 1rst, I'm OK.
I think they will follow the historica events but I doubt it will be as good as what James Clavell created with Shogun
Its based of sengoku era and tokugawa eiasu so they can use that
@@Josh-nn3xt Exactly this, its not the history that made it this good, its ONLY the writing
@@Josh-nn3xtYep! No more novel means they will have to make up new stuff on the fly. That almost never works out well.
plenty of historical facts and storylines they could follow, its easier to do than Game of thrones... lets see
@@Amatsuichi I could agree fx have more to go on the GoT had, but still, the writer either makes it a history lession or a griping good story
@@thedieusaf7108 true, lets hope they get some good writers
I mean, they have real history as basis for a season 2.
Season 2 was the true Crimson Sky after all!
You might be right lol
tbh the blackthorn character the show is base on IRL William Adams lived an epic life and indeed there is much much more to the story than the book covered.
Umm... did people forget that Clavell's source material is the actual 300 years of Tokugawa history in Japan? There's your source material right there 😂
there is actually source material based on actual history, it just has to be written property for TV
I think as long as the quality & accuracy to detail of the Clavell estate are kept & put into the second season, it will be worth watching.
they will come up with something and we’ll like it 🤷🏾
Like the actual detailed battle of sekigahara, a full episode special, and the demise of Ishido.
@@mitjed yess. hopefully all that
Fingers crossed!
It's a no for me, it completely will contradict the ending of the first season. Just let it go man. Smh this is how nice things get ruined
whooop whooooooop...... glad they are continuing with the story....
I wouldn't mind a season 2, especially since so much of the political intrigue with the church, and the black ship was left out. I know they mentioned Mariko's deal, but it was wrapped up too quickly. A second season would allow that plot to develop and allow more scenes with Rodriguez, who was criminally under shown. Also, as you mentioned, i think the climax of the show would have to be the Siege of Osaka, Ochiba would not just let Toranaga become Shogun, over her son, the would be second Taiko. But the final episode would need to be a small time lapse to when the Emperor invited Toranaga to become Shogun.
To be honest, there could even be a potential third season, if they wanted to do a story centered around the Shimabara Rebellion, which happened only 37 years after Sekigahara.
I wish it just remained a miniseries. It was so good. I can’t imagine it being nearly as good.
Flower has fallen. Leave it alone.
Either they’re gonna have to make up a very fictitious version of the early Toranaga/Tokugawa Shogunate (since the rest of that character’s/person’s life is not particularly eventful), or they could go with a prequel that focuses on events like the initial unification of Japan and the ascent of the taiko (this could at least justify bringing back many of the popular characters from season 1).
Personally, I vote for an option 1 crossover involving an adaptation intersecting the end of _Shogun_ with the events portrayed in _Lone Wolf and Cub_ . The _LW&C_ timeline could be adjusted to the beginning of the Edo period with Ogami Itto losing then regaining the favor of Toranaga (differing from the plot of _LW&C_ ). This would also give other amazing Japanese actors their turn in the Hollywood spotlight.
I hope they leave it at the end that being said a nother season could work perfectly if they go for another time period and new story
@@Yoda2422 - I agree. But because the expectation is that Sanada will return as Toranaga, it has to be set within the same general time period and be an extension of the story told in season 1.
If season 2 is bad, we still have season 1. If it's great, we got two epic seasons. Win-win.
Season 2 will definitely mean flashback scenes to show the storylines left out from Season 1 and there's a lot of them. They left out so much from the book. It also means a drawn out action scene of the battle at Sekigahara although the book only described it in a single sentence in the last paragraph of the book. It's going to turn out a disaster I'm sure.
If they do S2, I want to see a lot more scenes with Rodriguez. Such an amazing frenemy character! And Blackthorne should really end up with Fuji. She's awesome! She risked her own life for Blackthorne by pointing those pistols to defend the house. Smart, brave, loyal, and beautiful.
Since a lot of people are saying the same thing, here's more info: when I say there's no source material, I mean a book, like James Clavell's novel, with all the plots laid out and characters ready. I know there's a lot of history that can be adapted, but that's a lot more difficult to do than a book, which already has everything planned out. If they are basing the second season on real history, then good luck because that's going to be a tough job for the writers. That doesn't mean I don't have hope though. I think they can do a good job if they give themselves enough time and not rush it like many others do. Love you guys thanks for the comments ❤
I’m stoked. This team is genius. They can do anything. Go back in time w blackthorn and pre season one in Japan.In depth look at battle. Post shogun Christian purge. The Macao story and silver mining in Columbia. It endless. I could write four seasons. Pieces of eight. Mongol invasion. As long as it’s this team it won’t be crappy fight scenes every ten seconds. I’ve watched every episode 8 times and I’m not tired of it. I almost committed sepuku when it was over so there’s that too. I need this.
assuming non-linear progression, there's a lot of room to fill in gaps and time jump all over the place with Season 2. opening the door for all characters to be a part of Season 2, not just those who were still alive at the end of the last episode of Season 1. Whatever they choose to do, if it is as beautiful as Season 1, and the scripts and acting as well done, I will be in. If there will be more FUJI-sama, I am 100% all in! I truly fell in love with her, I think there's a lot more story to be told just with her character alone. I am happy to hear about a Season 2, I felt I could watch that world on and on, so beautiful. as a die-hart Tolkien fan, I learned long ago to try to let go of what I expect to see on screen vs source material. It will rarely ever be exactly what you want nor expect. let it go. enjoy this artists version of the world you came to know in other ways.
This is source material. Actual History. Just change the names and make adjustments to keep it engaging.
The model for Shogun existed. That is Ieyasu Tokugawa. He had two major wars in his later years, so there are enough episodes to make Season 2.
Considering that Shogun was based on historical events there IS source material. Hopefully they flesh it out well.
On the plus side, if a season 2 turns out bad (as I expect) it won’t hurt season 1 too much. Since season 1 is great as a stand alone I can easily dismiss and forget a bad season 2. Think of all the direct-to-video sequel movies that have been made over the years. They may be hard to watch, especially if you love the original movie, but they are easy to forget or even skip. 🙃
There is no source material from Clavell but you have the actual Japanese history on Miura Anjin who "Naturalized" to Japan which is more rich than Clavell's novel.
It feels like a very very bad idea. The series was based on thick novel and had already been adapted into a mini-series once before in the 80s. They started with a great and deep story to draw from and examples from the eighties that it could work on television. Not only that they started working on it back in 2018!! A great production company, great sets and costumes, even great actors need a great script from which to work if they want something good at the end. They do not have a story anymore and worse they will be on a time crunch to get a second season thrown together too. I fear a second season won’t only be less but bad bad bad.
This is awesome! Let's discuss what should definitely happen in Season 2. (Spoilers for anyone who hasn't finished season 1):
1. Killing off popular characters was definitely a terrible idea, serieswise. But are they really dead? My idea for the series 2 twist is that some shadowy figure is behind the council of regents, pulling the strings. Big reveal... it's Mariko! MIND BLOWN. As in, her mind was blown. The explosion gave her brain damage, and now she's crazy. Crazy sexy!
2. The fan favorite of course was Tadanobu Asano. Gotta bring him back, of course. Unfortunately, he wasn't just singed by an explosion, he was flat out decapitated on screen. But what if he had an identical twin? You could say the twin was the one who was beheaded, but if we bring back too many characters who were killed in season 1 it might get stale. So instead, have Tadanobu play the twin in season 2. Only he's the good twin, of course. So you'd have a Loki thing going on where you take a villain played by a popular actor and turn them into a hero, for the fans.
3. More Ninja!
4. At least one scene where two female samurai fight each other. Barefoot.
5. Dare I say it... Kaiju?
6. At least one actual battle. Is that too much to ask?
With Kaiju.
7. Better costumes
8. I really want to see the hijinks that ensue with that mission in Edo that's next door to a brothel.
Actually, they skipped a lot of content from the book. That they didn't explored and adapted in this adaptation. Such as the relationship between Toranaga and his other son. Or Blackthorne and Fuji (Fujiko in the Novel)'s relationship. And his marriage to Kiku-san in the novel. So they do have some source material from the book to do a sequel of sorts. Great video ❤
Thank you!
The Siege of Osaka Castle has been made into multiple excellent TV series in Japan. The script is already there. There is plenty of source material.
The move they pulled is so meta lol
It is obvious that they cannot bring back Mariko because she is dead. But there are ways to bring Fuji back into the fold. Just have her pulled a 180 and change her mind and bring her back. After all, this is greenfield territory here. They can do whatever they want. Let’s jut hope the quality is just as high as season1. Otherwise, we don’t want it.
YES! I prayed for this.
There is the real history of William Adams The base for John Blackthorne's character. And what Toranaga said at the end of shogun. And Blackthorn is mentioned in other Clavell novels like Gai- Jin And Tai Pan.
I tweeted this too. I'm hyped but at the same time I cried when the finale came. Leaving me saying to myself do I want Season 2? I get both sides and even if it's no inspiration from the other books. I'm curious as to what new stuff they can bring up. It's 50/50 as it should be
Shogun became my favorite show of all time. I just hopes it shocks people again when S2 come around
It's rather interesting from a historical point of view to come.
We could film the real Osaka Castle in Japan and the bells of Hokoji Temple.
Season 1 is just the beginning.
totally ok ! even if all the book is already "seen" in the season 1, the next one could follow historical events
It should have a 2nd season but should be based on history with some fictitious intricate drama weaving through the main plot leading to the sekigahara battle
I agree about your comments about Yabu and Buntaro. I felt Blackthorn was written as a dullard and a smaller supporting character.
Which made the show better
If they are really gonna make season 2 I wish they follow along that "dream" metaphor they did in the last episode and bring Mariko back plsssss
why the need for a second season???
I am not a book lover like most viewers are, and they watched the show hoping for a big armies vs armies battle and the demise of Ishido, instead what we got was a story telling conversation and no battle, a let down for us.
Onboard if it’s from real history Toranaga becoming shogun, the siege of Osaka castle etc
Challenge to the writers of Shōgun Season 2: Right now I doubt… please prove us wrong!
If there is one thing that I can hold out hope for, it's that this production team and writers have a mastery of subtlety in storytelling and have done nothing but surprise and thrill me whenever I have started to doubt. However, they are really playing with fire from what I feel was a perfect season/series. I loved the book, and I possibly loved the show more, but ultimately both were a rehash of history, and there sure is a lot more interesting history and characters to cover in that era. But now they are off the track of a great novel and toying with beloved characters. I really hope they don’t just AI-generate some story arcs as a cash grab and actually do something interesting to tell the story further.
Just an idea, but maybe they could do a season of one-off episodes filling out the characters' pasts, presents, and futures. (Kind of like the Covid interstitial episodes of Euphoria. Those two episodes were incredible character pieces and were almost the best thing out of an already pretty great show.) Toranaga's backstory and future have a ton of potential, but you could also explore Buntaro fleeing and fighting to Izu after being left in Osaka. You could depict some good Blackthorn pre-Japan sailing adventures. I also see the potential for some Mariko-Ochiba backstory or Fuji becoming a nun. A future Omi-Kiku-Gin Willow World in Edo story could have legs, and a Yabushige backstory could almost be a "Better Call Saul" series within itself.
Honestly my guess would be that it wouldn’t actually be a season 2 of shogun as they are done with that story but maybe instead a new story with the same quality and set in a later or earlier time than shogun… maybe the Edo period or the Kamakura or nanbokucho period or even earlier the war between the Taira and Minamoto
If Hiroyuki Sanada signed a deal to return as Toranaga as all the articles say, then we have to see him somehow..
There actually might be some source material. Rumor has it that Clavell was working on the direct sequel to Shogun at the time of his passing. Seeing that his daughter is one of the executive producers, she would have access to this. Not sure how I feel about this however. I thought the book ended perfectly. And as much as i loved the show, the ending they had just felt empty to me. Then again, the book is one of my all time favorites, so I might have beem expecting more
Wow, didn't know about that 😮
Since there is no second part to the novel, what I would expect is a pre-season 1 story.
In this dorama, how the character Toranaga was created is described.
He is modeled after a historical figure, Tokugawa Ieyasu.
It was Mariko's father who rebelled against Oda Nobunaga in the Honnoji Incident, and the warlord who vanquished the traitor was Taikou, who was Toranaga's rival.
This drama, which is a prelude to Season 1, allows for the reintroduction of Toranaga, Hironaga, Yabushige, and Mariko. Unfortunately, Blackthorn does not appear in this period.
Er, was there a 2nd book?
I agree that's no source material from the book.
But there is Historical source material to go on for many seasons!
Same Historical source material that the book used.
I really missed the Sekigahara battle!
Don't get me wrong, the final episode was FANTASTIC, it gave everything of the nuance, political, strategical, philosophical approach , that Toranaga(based on Tokugawa Ieasu), had.
But yes, an Historical romance, crafted to perfection that has a lot to go on, if the artists involved feel that it would be good , then let's have it!
There is source material:
1. A lot of the novel was cut from the series. We saw this in The Godfather Part 2 with the Young Vito storyline. If you haven't read the novel, you are not going to believe who Anjin marries.
2. Clavell was writing about Tokugawa Ieyasu. A team of writers can do the same. Just like Clavell, they can introduce fictional characters and not offend history buffs.
3. The series was better than the novel. Clavell did not understand a lick of the Japanese language. If you understand Japanese, it is pretty jarring trying to read that gibberish. The writing team really cleaned up Clavell's draft and should be able to take the story into the sequel.
Sanada Nobushige i want to see hus back story too
we know what happened, we know the history, its piece of cake to make next season though
I wish they could show the past events of Shogun like Star Wars, such as how Toranaga grew up. Shogun Toranaga is based on the true story of Ieyasu Tokugawa, who is the founder and first shogun of the Tokugawa Shogunate of Japan. After a long period of inner conflict, Ieyasu and his descendants created the "Pax Tokugawa," which was an era of internal peace and political stability that lasted over 250 years. When he was eight years old, Ieyasu was sent as a hostage to the Imagawa clan. Anyway, it would be very interesting to watch if Shogun Season 2 created a drama about young Ieyasu to see how the hostage boy became a strategic shogun. ruclips.net/video/NQMI6h-iNqk/видео.html
Battosai will come without remorse
Hiroyuki Sanada - master of trickery!
if they stick to history and tell the story of what happened after Sekigahara, it could be interesting
There's actually a lot of story left. This was loosely based on real people and events. Anjin ends up setting up trade between Japan and England. He actually marries and lives long life in Japan. Buntaro actually out lived them all. Toranaga doesn't immediately become Shogun, so I think there's plenty of source if you draw from the actual history.
it's really not a bad move. they'll just fictionalize real history and match it with the events in the book / season 1. if you know some of the actual historical events that unfolded, you know things are going to get crazy
This is all about cashing in.
The only way this would really work is if they make it anthology and fill in gaps that the series run couldn't cover...like an extended deleted scenes run.
This goes against how most Jdramas are done.
It is a good thing that the expectation of Season 2 is bad... hence the easier for the writers to surprise us all.
That's one way to look at it :)
I am thorn, season one was just brilliant! Of course, I want more, I need more. With that said, i am not sure they should not do it.
History records of fail when you go outside of source material is huge, but hey if God Omens could do it, they even had the original source materials creators to write more. There have been many instances where going beyond the source material has failed.
Yes, it's a gamble for sure...
If they followed history too closely and much beyond the battle of Sekigehara, a season 2 would make Toranaga go from an ambiguous character, to a really bad guy and ruin the mystery around him which was so well developed in Season 1. Unless season 2 only covered the time immediately after season 1 and was focused on and around the battle of Sekigehara, that might be epic, would be a different kind of show but would give many fans what we wanted.
FX could do another book in the series
Hiroyuki Sanada signed a deal to return as Toranaga. I don't think the character is in another book in the series?
They should have just stretched the source material over two seasons, there was plenty that they skipped over.
Beyond the book, Osaka castle was singed for a year, 1814-15…..
I would like to see the actual war when he defeats ishido.
A whole season on one battle? Maybe a movie would work...
Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought the show-runners would make a second season to this iconic show. Hard act to follow. I feel i have dishonored my T.V. instincts and mistakenly doubted Next Season. I will commit Seppuku at sundown if the second season doesn't live up to the first. (naw, not really)
Like Hiromatsu said, "Why not live?"
No source material from the author but maybe they can manage it to make a next chapter in the story.
This is wrong because the story has reached its intended end with many of the interesting characters killed off. What are they planning to do? Bring back Mariko and Yabu? I don't think this is going to be a good sequel.
"Unless I win". Yeah it will be hopeless, unless they made it another "win".
If it's the same team we can have some confidence
I utterly and completly disagree with you.
Regarding the "source material", Clavel book is based in real life characters, which had A LOT MORE INTERESTING LIVES just after the point the book ended!
If they just get inspiration on the real life characters and events they can make a fricking interesting Season 2 and beyond.
Just, and example, Tokugawa Ieyasu used Adams (in real life) to start merchant trading with the Dutch, and take out power from the Christian daimios. And oh boy it was a complicated matter. Because Adams sided with the Japanese and not the Dutch (that tought Adams was "their man").
Returning Fuji to the series is trivial (she's not dead, we don't even know if she has went to the Shinto or Buddhist Monestery that its, quite close to Anjio anyway) and Adams married, in real life, the daughter of a Samurai Lord.
We also, have, a lot of really interesting, and also fun, characters that have been complitly underused or nearly ignored in Season 1 (Vasco Rodriguez, anyone?)
So no, they have to really screw it hard to not make an interesting Season 2.
I'm, kinda, baffled why Clavel doesn't followed with the lives of the characters, because he didn't touch one of the most interesting episodes in the history of Japan. The era of the Shogunate and the ending of Portuguese (and west) influence in Japan for nearly 300 hundred years.
Why Why Why ??? Jeebus Christmas....why can't the studio execs just leave it alone? Does ANYONE feel good about this ???
No source material? The story of Shogun is based on actual events. Clavel’s book material is completed but the story went on for decade’s
Fuji is a nun, but alive.
Mariko died
Don’t need it. Happily watch it. Trust the makers.
I hope Yabushige will return!
Maybe they placed his head in a bacta tank and he will return with a robotic body.
Hey, they did it in Starwars.
I don't see any reason why this shouldn't happen
Clavell changed the historical names so that he could take certain artistic liberties with the actual events to be able to tell a good story first and foremost for a Western audience who at the time were not familiar with Japanese history. There's a lot that can be done with that approach, but at the same time you're gambling that the writers that you have will be able to continue to tell the story of another author without alienating that same author's fans. You can point to Game of Thrones or even Kennedy's version of Star Wars. Yeah, you would still make money off of milking the franchise for a bit, but you also risk damaging the franchise and gaining a bad reputation for yourself. In the long term, it would be better just to create some new series set in feudal Japan or adapt another one of Clavell's books.
Are we gonna see the Siege of Osaka castle and Sanadamaru defense by Yukimura ?
A prequel would work better. They could bring back 3 beloved characters they killed off. Pick up the story where Lord Toranaga is a young general & take it from there. Without Yabushige, Mariko & Hiromatsu the fan base will not be satisfied.
I'm not sure it's a good idea... But I just hope it's great.
I have the same sentiments!
Somehow I'm not really surprised, let's not forget that this is on Disney+ , you know, those are the same people who keep milking Star Wars again and again and again till there is nothing decent left.
I'm sure they pill pour a lot of money into it, which is great but let's hope it doesn't go down the star wars route
Season 2, the fall of Tokugawa? I mean Toranaga? The lead to Boshin War?
But then Hiroyuki Sanada wouldn't be in it :( I mean, maybe he could appear in flashbacks but I don't see how that would work
They can can in 2 different directions since they already adapted the book, They can countinue to adapt more events albeit in a historical ficiton sense with what happened with williams and the shogunate(trust me their is a lot of stuff and events that happened ) or can go in a total different direction with different events all together. its hard to tell and they can mess this up as the first season had the book for basis of all characters traits, directions, actions and personalities, without that it will be tough as it will depend entirely on the momentum of the writers to keep in interested and hollywood writers are not exactly the best these days.
I think doing it as a historical fiction would work a lot better, in my opinion
Schauen wir mal, was da kommt.
i think a single season was enough, the story did come to conclusion. I dont think a second season is neccesary
Really no need for Season 2 , about a month after episode 10 was the battle of Sekigahara.
What do you mean no source material? We have hundreds of years of history and Tokugawa's exploits to draw from. Although Mariko and Ochiba were based on actual people Fuji was largely made up anyhow. We have many talented actors and actresses in Japan that can bring excellent characters to the show .
Yes, like I said in another comment, adapting a book is always a lot more easier than adapting a whole history. Bringing together different historical sources and carving out a dramatic story would take years imo.
@@thenextseason True but if you think about it, Clavell basically took Tokugawa's story and embellished it a bit. There are a plethora of adaptations of the stories in Japan that could be used to modernize it a bit. As you mentioned, the Siege of Osaka and Battle of Sekigahara are almost seasons on their own, or at least a movie length story. You can go do off shoots about the rise of the Yagyu clan, the Christian Expulsion, building of Edo Castle, we could go on and on.
I thought shogun would be a mini series
The ending of season 1 is less spectacular than i was expected ( no epic battle)
But i think season 2 would be boring without my boi kakihara
I miss him so much :(
Money always wins.
Yeap. They have to ride on that popularity now :(
Of course there's source material; documented Japanese history.
Toranaga successfully deceiving us once again
there are like a million historic dramas on Japanese tv and I just would take the most successful one connected to the topic, americanize it a little and voila :-)
Ugh I was worried this would happen. Can’t they leave good things good? Just adapt another book!