Could The USAF At Okinawa Defend A Full Chinese Air Attack? (WarGames 68A) | DCS
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Okinawa was my home for 20 years, and you've got some things wrong. Nevertheless, this is very interesting. Those F35 are probably Marine birds from Iwakuni, and they would be B models. There are about 13 different US bases on the island in addition to a lot of Japanese forces. Respectfully, Gunny T sends
Yeh I wish I had more time to put in to researching these.
Could’ve given the skids from Futenma a chance too 😂 or the JASDF F-15s also from Naha (both Okinawa)
Gunny nailed it
My time there from 2016-18, there were at 1-2 squadrons of F35A's from Utah that were there on a rotational basis.
light for you
You left out that the JASDF has about 35ish Eagles only about 10 miles south of Kadena at Naha Air Base. And they actually scramble for real against the PLAAF every day. I’ve been at Kadena for about a year and this is a scenario that keeps me up at night, lol.
36:59 wow all, as in ALL of the F-15 fighters were shot down??
Thanks for serving
OSI would like to know your location
Damn I'd love to see that.
Last I checked NASAMS will be deployed at Okinawa and Kadena.
USAF Firefighter here (belonging to the Civil Engineer squadrons). I was stationed at Kadena and also worked on Futenma from 2012 to 2014. Believe it or not, give it like a day or less-especially with the new airfield repair methods available on site now. AirPower will continue to be generated. USAF civil engineer squadrons are trained to respond and recover from a full spectrum of attacks. Not only that, but it’s no secret that the Kadena main runways aren’t the only options to utilize for fixed wing aircraft. Like you said, there are also other rings of defense not illustrated here, but I’m sure there would be more tricks up China’s sleeve too. COOL video guys, thank you. Gives chills thinking how very real that could be!
Definitely does give chills but where all ready at the end of day NATO will crush them🙏🏾 peace not war regardless
ya scary shit. China historically hasn't been the aggressor until the modern commie era with Tibet and Korea. Now the South china sea and Taiwan stuff who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if the UN and NATO do nothing if they invade Taiwan like Russia n Ukraine. China is well off Why does Taiwan matter? Seems like a waste and unneeded risk to be burdened with. I get the south china sea for the oil. We did worse in the mid east for oil. I think they are smarter than that. Just keep hacking everyone's IP and chill out lol.
China just Nuke the base to avoid time and death🤘
You were at Kadena when I left. Sept 09 to Aug 12 at the 353d SOG.
Also if needed, the runways at Kadena are long enough for the B-52 at Minot and Barksdale.
This was awesome! Not the end result I thought would happen. Loved the commentary during the whole affair. Informative and fun!
Hey guys! Was stationed at Kadena for 6 years. You did miss a few important assets: Japanese Air Self-Defence Force (JASDF Naha Air Base): 204th & 304th Tactical Fighter Squadrons (F-15J/DJ), 603rd Squadron (E-2C), US Navy: 7th Fleet, Carrier Strike Group Five (USS Ronald Reagan, 4 squadrons F-18 E/F) based in Yokosuka would likely be deployed, Also VMFA-121 (F-35B), VMFA-242 (F-35B) out of JMSDF Iwakuni. It should also be noted that US stateside squadrons regularly deploy to Okinawa and Japan on 6-month rotational tours. Typically include F-15, F-16, F-35A/B, F-18 and F-22 squadrons. Any would be alert-ready shortly after arriving on deployment. Also, Kadena hosts 909th Air Refueling Squadron (KC-135R) and E-3B/C Sentrys are the 961st Airborne Air Control Squadron. One hell of a big fight!
opsec is listening
And don’t forget that the J-20s are massively overrated in regards to their stealth
@@gregh7457 all came from open source!
@@quest4adventure495 What both you and Jason said is irrelevant, China has over 10,000 missiles and rockets, with thousands that can hit US military bases in Okinawa. No need for anything other than SAMs here.
Way to give them all our details 🤣
Right, this deserves firing up the big telly and opening a can of Monster. The Coulda Shoulda Woulda scenarios are by far my favourites, unless they are at night, or in the Apache.
lol rgr
Certainly makes my Pee Pee a soft cock
Agreed.
I actually love night missions lol
@@FancyNoodlez To fly yes, but its not great as a viewer.
More importantly, at the south-west end of the Kadena AFB runway is the base golf course where in 1972 I spent most of my HS senior year playing golf with other military dependents. We'd play a side (always walking carrying our bags) and then sit in the clubhouse lounge drinking some fine ice tea and snacking on crisp french fries while we watched the stealthy Habu blast off into the sunset with engines burning beautiful shades of red and orange. The lounge was upstairs over the pro shop with a wall of glass overlooking the runway and the East China Sea. What a lovely place to be. I dated a little Japanese girl, explored the island some and had not a care in the world. VP Spiro Agnew came to the island that year to officially turn it over to Japan and implement the Yen as the currency replacing the USD. The Okinawan people weren't too thrilled about that.
Graduated the same year. As to the SR-71, my dad was the SR-71 wing commander just before he was promoted to brigadier general. We went to Kadena twice briefly.
What a cool memory. My dad was AF too but we never went overseas. My dad was an engineer working on guidance and tracking systems for missiles so we were in Colorado Springs and later at Kirtland/Sandia Labs.
I liked that, I knew he had an important job but my best memories of being an AF brat are limited to the bowling ally on Kirtland. We did have fun though, we had a group of girls that practically lived at the bowling ally. We would dress funny, wear dark sunglasses and just get silly. They always stuck us on the far end so we didn't bother everyone else. lol Good times, just in a boring place.
I was a 'special 'Marine stationed at Camp Butler (75) I spent a lot of duty time almost everywhere on the island, especially at Kadena, usually at night I could get rather close to the Habu's as they taxied, and to the F 4's parked everywhere, I also spent some time at the fire department right off the runway. I miss Oki, my youth, and especially 'Socahatchy Ally' right out of the back gate at Kadena!
I was a PJ stationed at Kadena 74-76. Enjoyed the Rock immensely. Used to run on the golf course next to the flightline at night. Beautiful watching the Jets kick in the afterburner at night while running up what seemed like a long par 5.
There is a SONG about US ICBMs flying to Russia by a German called NINA, 99 Red Balloons. Launch Code is "Major Tom" inspired by the late, great David Bowie from Yorkshire. For those not in tune with God, Yorkshire is Gods own Country, if you do not understand that, your problem, God, she has a terrible anger! Even a Cup of Tea may not calm her down.
I was stationed on an aircraft carrier in Yokosuka. If there is tension on the area, they would be the first to be sent to intercept those attacking planes. The USN fighters would add more kills to the Chinese. That would be another big factor in my opinion.
On the contrary. The aircraft carrier's first directive made, would be to sail West, beyond the Chinese D-24D's 1,000 kms range.
@@ari8135 The high commands likely have that on their strategy. If tension is high in the area, 2-3 aircraft carrier task force likely will be deployed. That's about 210-240 mix aircrafts.
stupid america . where is DF26?? why china J 20 not before J 10 get in the Battlefield？？？ u only make a big joke . and a lot stupid america so excited. in the first island chain America 100% loser。no any chance.
I would imagine there being at least one Burke destroyer around the Island providing anti air/missile support.
IDK about AB destroyer, but they usually have a F-22 squadron deployed to Kadena as well.
Well the navy does alot of patrol's In the area there is a lot of navy assets in the area so odds are they would have a burke in the area
@@dakatack95 true. If not directly at the island, at least within maybe an hour’s travel time at standard patrol speed, less at flank speed
Yes you could also imagine that the PLAN would not send a even number of aircraft in to attack, and give warning to the air base to scramble all its aircraft, nor leave there long range missiles at home because the americans have an inventory problem. nor would the PLAN send any of its 72 submarines or the largest navy in the world to assist. but it is simply a game after all.
Im pretty sure they have f22s there also.
I'm noticing a lot of planes get shot down with lots of missiles still equipped. Makes me wonder if, in these large engagements, its better to try and fire off more early rather than have them go to waste.
Interesting take, or have a pulsed release of missiles 1/3 and a second 1/3 or some iteration. Even with no defined target once they are in the AOR, count on your battle network to allocate targets
Dude the pilot is the biggest "waste" here and you're worried about some relatively cheap piece of metal?
@@MultiSciGeekI think they are saying, if you fire more of the missiles sooner, you can save more of the pilots.
Also have regular air patrols with fighters along with AWACS which would extend warning/launch time along with reinforcement from Kyushu islands and from Korea as needed. Not to mention the destroyers, cruisers, and carriers in the area and in range to assist or the carriers to launch aircraft. On top of that, we would have early indications of large flocking. Runway repair won’t take long either, especially considering no support infrastructure was damaged. Temporary repair can be done to allow aircraft to land if necessary, but full operations for heavies would be very soon.
This is what I was considering, having not watched the entire fight, nor having any knowledge whatsoever in war tactics. I know we have aircraft carriers, and other battleships/destroyers in the vicinity, and I would bet they aren't stupid enough to leave that airfield open to a Chinese assault without having confidence in it's safety, and ability to defend against such attacks.👍✌
>large flocking
I havent heard this term before but it makes sense.
I remember as a kid watching F4s and F16s scramble in Korea. They took off slightly offset but side by side in flights of two down the runway. By the time the first 2 where about halfway the second set would start the turn onto the runway. They would kick afterburners and start rolling. There was a second runway that could be used for take off but I personally never saw that one being used. Very similar layout to Kedena AF. They would have about 12 in the air in a few minutes, did not take very long. Then they would to a series of touch-n-go's. By the way, if you ever get a chance, Okinawa is beautiful. Palm trees, blue water, sun... hmmmmm
We need to factor in the human issues. We don’t know how well trained or brave the Chinese are. The army is known for its rank cowardice. Chinese manufacturers are notoriously corrupt as is the entire military. We don’t know how well materials and Chinese maintenance will hold up especially with long distances involved. Another huge issue is prior warnings that an attack is being readied. We have satellites and numerous ways of monitoring everything the CCP is planning. The US has assets all over the world and several allies who might be available. With a few days warning the US could even strike a preemptive blow . If the US and the EU simply ceased doing any business with China the CCP would have a total revolution on its hands while dealing with being attacked and destroyed world wide. The Chinese dictator like Putin is a bully and will never take on any adversary that has any chance of winning. Nevertheless your war games are thought provoking even if they lack real word entropy.
Moon Beach, Scuba Diving, Uechi Ryu Karate, Oomani soba,
Kokusai Dori in Naha City, Oban festival.............
Right. The Thunderbirds and Blue Angles do that as part of thier demonstrations, take off 2x2 on single runways. Those aren't tricks, but standard operating procedures being demonstrated.
There's some things about the scenario I feel are a bit off.
- fuel and general defense strategy. You mention fuel requirements for the Chinese especially. This is something the defending American/Japanese side would be aware of completely, and as such I dont think they would just dive headfirst into the fighter escort. They would likely want to delay the fighter engagement as long as possible to make the fuel issues for the Chinese more prevalent (The further out they push, the less fuel they have, the earlier they need to turn around). You maybe take a couple 4 ship flights take R-Max Aim 120 shots, put 48-64 missiles in the air (Chinese have to honor these shots and burn fuel evading), and then RTB. All the while, AWACs/orbiting fighters are looking for the real threat: The cruise missiles. THOSE are the targets the Blue side would want to dive onto in force, as they are what will do the damage.
- JASDF: This is an attack on Japanese soil, and their assets are just left out. Naha Airbase has a squadron of F15s and a patriot missile battery (Cant find it quickly looking at google earth, but the 5th Missile Defense unit is there. Naha doubles as a public airport so possibly tucked away). In addition, youd have to think additional assets would be deployed here if things got that tense with China. Theres also additional tanker support, AWACS, etc here as well.
- Other Naval assets. The US 7th Fleet is forward deployed to Japan, meaning a Super Carrier is always in the region. As such, you would expect to see a carrier nearby giving additional Fighter/AWACS support OR alternatively, there would be land based assets deployed either directly to Kadena or MCAS Futenma which is nearby.
All noted for follow-up.
The one thing unrealistic about your comment is that you seem to expect his computer to survive processing this much lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol its meant to be kept simple with air to air. If youre going to introduce these new factors for the US/Japan side then lets give china their fleet and while we're at it china gets to fire off their conventional ballistic missiles off their eastern coast in which case there is zero need for any kind of air combat since china can wipe off the air field with just their ballistic missiles.
I also think that the Americans would have a higher combat experience then the chinese
@@deafdeal3r when has the modern united states air force ever gone toe to toe with a peer military power? flying sorties in the middle east against militaries that have no air force and have minimal to zero anti air doesnt really count.
Got at least (1.5) problems with the Scenario: Chinese intermediate range ballistic missiles have a range of 3000 km. There might be a 100-missile barrage on the military installations before any attack is even launched... not to mention they've already demonstrated hypersonics with global range. Their 'conventional' Hypersonics have a 2000 km range, also within striking distance. The Chinese will not line up and engage in a scenerio where they're half shot down before they even close the distance to scrambled defense.
IF the make their move later instead of sooner, Okinawa may not even have a base anymore: the locals are insisting on reducing its footprint. Nobody wants to be our next proxy battlefield.
have 1.5 more problems with the scenario: China has an increasing naval advantage. They have hundreds of hypersonic anti-carrier/ship missiles specifically to control the waters off their coast. They also have an advantage in numbers and concentration... They're not protecting Europe.
I guess people here are just too optimistic, and think China is weak and outdated.
Looks like you are highly doubting the validity of the power of the US military. You’re also overestimating the size and buildup of the Chinese navy.
Great work! The Marines had a airbase on Okinawa too called Futema. It's closed now I think. The SR-71 used to be based at Kadena too. Nice base. Great group of guys fly with you.
This was one of the best episodes its always good to see actual people play a role in a sim as awesome as this; in a scenario that could potentially happen in real life. Awesome flying boys and congrats STRIDER MVP with the AWACS and J-20 kills. Once again WELL DONE CAP.
thx, sometimes they just work out well. Sometimes not...
What does "Valley Viewers" mean?
@@gertpacu3926 I reckon ye misheard: "Valued Viewers."
Good one, Cap. Great imagination. I was stationed on Okinawa in 1984 at MCAS Futenma (pronounced Futema), as a KC-130 copilot. Kadena AFB had a great golf course, club system and of course the SR-71 Habu. Habu is an agressive snake native to the island. Habu Saki. Everything stopped 15 minutes before the Habu took the runway. You knew it was coming because a couple KC-135's would take off. Plus ground control would announce over the radio for all a/c to hold in place. We'd clear customs there vs. Futenma, and witnessed a few Habus in the pattern. Futenma was about 5 miles away to the south. Not there anymore. Moved to Iwakuni.
Did they have to clean the runway after she took off? I heard that the hull didn't seal until they were at speed/altitude, so they would just leak fuel like crazy.
Thanks!
Wait futenma isn't still active?
@@grumples1517 yes it is. VMM 262 and 265 operate out of there as well as a skids and stallion squadron
@@curvedbredd5190 ok that's what I thought.
This is one of the finest videos I have ever seen; GREAT JOB, straight to favorites slot!!
Good stuff.
Can you hear the November flush?
The sign post up ahead: You are now entering the Twilight Zone.
Amazing setup. I was on Okinawa in the late 70's with the 2nd Marine Airwing. The base was Kadena Air Force Base and I saw the SR-71 and the introduction of the first F-15A Squadrons land there as they were stationed in the Far East. They replaced the F4 Phantoms. Okinawa is beautiful, you can smell the plants and trees as soon as you step off the plane, fresh. You guys are amazing!!!
one of my sons was just there in Okinawa about 6 months ago aboard an a.s.s. he never said anything about it smelling like flowers there! lol he would have let mom know if it did for sure! hahaha . but yes navy has ships there in okinawa all the time. thankfully his ship wasnt one of the 3 sent to taiwan last week, hanging about just in case! i zoomed into your comment because i saw the familiar letters and numbers im well aqauinted with , the SR-71 i love that blackbird! i see it a couple time a year doing short flyovers where i live and where the blackbird was built and test flown in the early 60s we lived half a block from one of the test pilots from 63 to 67 and was best friends with his little boy as best as 5 year olds can be lol . his dad would let his wife and son know when he would be flying over as the houses were in line with the runway of lockeed only 1 and a half miles away and she would get on the party line to let everyone in our neighborhood know so when he did his flyover we would all be gathered on the corners of our blocks and jump and wave as he tilted his wings to say hey all! too ncool!
I was stationed at Kadina at the same time. Worked the flight line delivering munitions from the worlds largest bomb dump. The Habu’s were a sight to see. Taking off at night.
Great guys! Okinwans called the SR-71 The Habu. The fastest snake in the world. The SR would leak fuel just before takeoff and refuel over the Pacific, then the high speed and heat would seal the tank. Not pilots but almost astronauts would fly it. 1000 flights over Vietnam and Russia and never been shot down.
Fun video. The JSDF wouldn’t just sit idly by though. There are 30-40 permanently stationed F-15Js down in Naha airport. And as you noticed on the satellite image there are often detachments of F-22s or F-35s on the island.
he actually missed 2 of the f35s that were visible 2 cant say it would make the difference but it couldnt hurt
Because the Japanese are just dying to fight for america against their neighbor in 2022 🤣
OOmani Soba is My favorite.
Stationed, doesn’t equal loaded, fueled and rdy to launch
@@davefletch3063 most f22s and f35s are not able to fly combat missions
these types of realistic war game scenarios are very fun to watch keep it up!
OK! Just subbed. Good vid! Thanks
First, I want to make this clear. I'm perfectly content with the US's military capability. I write this stuff before I even see the result of the video and just after Super Cap finishes the briefing. I write this stuff in an effort to help educate some of the more casual humanoids on current US defense capabilities in the real world, the best I can as a civilian enthusiast using public information and analysis I read/view from those with more expertise than me. I enjoy attempting to spread a bit more factual information about US capabilities due to how old DCS technology is (as modeled) and due to the numerous amount of bugs within both DCS and the mods utilized. However, I still enjoy the war games videos a lot and encourage Cap and GR to keep making them! Thank you guys.
To begin, I personally have no doubt the US intelligence community, between human and signal intelligence sources (including intercepted communications, military personnel leaks, satellite imagery, and orbital sensors) would be able to detect the logistics involved in preparing an attack of this size. I don't believe any large military action by any country can be coordinated without detection in modern times, particularly a time-on-attack aerial assault launched at US assets on a constant level of high-alert due to the specific proximity of the Chinese mainland. If the US launched this same type of attack, I believe China would also have advanced knowledge.
On to the game! A modern Patriot battery consists of 6 (or 8 from another source) missile launchers by default (each battery is logistically capable of a maximum of 16 networked Patriot launchers per radar/command & control system; it's also important to note the US uses a fully integrated radar network. Therefore, data obtained from the F-35 radar and other respective models, including data from the F-15C's Data Link 16, the E-3 Sentry, and the E-8C J-STAR jets also stationed at this air base would all feed into the Patriot calculations. This also applies to any other US air-defense systems such as Aegis, NASAMS, Ground-Based Midcourse Defense, and THAAD when they are present.
The default loadout is 4x PAC-2 older missiles packaged and mounted in a 2x2 container and either 6x PAC-3 or 8x PAC-3 MSE improved missiles, which are packaged and mounted in a 2x3 container for PAC-3 or 2x4 container for PAC-3 MSE. The PAC-3 itself was a significant upgrade over the PAC-2 for anti-missile defense in addition to the higher quantity per battery, and the PAC-3 MSE upgrade offered additional agility and 50% increased range per public sources.
Therefore, the four Patriot batteries on the island would have a magazine of 96 to 128 PAC-2 missiles and 144 to 192 PAC-3 missiles for a total of 240 to 320 missiles (with the lower/upper bound determined by 6 or 8 launchers for each of the four Patriot batteries) using the default PAC-2/PAC-3 2/6 launcher loadout. It's safe to say (at 99% certainty in my opinion), that the Patriot is modeled to be much weaker than its actual real-world capability. Given the number of missiles launched by China in this scenario, the number of Patriot missiles deployed in the real-world, and the fact the PAC-3 MSE missiles would have much better agility/range than in DCS, I believe it's safe to say the Patriot modeled per real-world specifications would be able to neutralize most, if not all, of the incoming missiles for a majority of the hypothetical war game simulations.
Although I don't see a report with the US deploying this, a smaller and more maneuverable launcher using just the improved PAC-3 MSE missiles with 8 per launcher is called the MEADS air-defense system.
Since the US is patrolling the South China Sea with Carrier Strike Groups, USMC Expeditionary Groups, and individual Arleigh Burke Aegis Guided-Missile Destroyers, it's also somewhat likely there would be at least one ship with guided-missile defenses, a carrier air wing from a supercarrier, or a detachment of either AV-8 Harriers/F-35Bs from an LHD/LHA Amphibious Assault Carrier within range to assist in defense of the island. It's obviously not a guarantee, but I wanted to mention the amount of USN activity in the region. As an example, at this very moment, the USS Tripoli (LHA-7) is currently located in Okinawa, and it typically carries 8 to 12 F-35Bs, but is one of the new America-class ships designed without a welldeck, increasing the maximum F-35B complement to 20 airframes if they reduce the number of helicopters. It's also important to note, the ship has 42x SeaRAM missiles loaded, which may help in a potential incoming attack. Including a modern USN destroyer with the longer range of modern SM missiles (considerably further than what DCS models), it could potentially make all the difference.
Now, back to the video to see how this actually plays out! Cheers!
Here's a great overview of the Patriot system for future GR videos (a claimed 80 hours of research effort coming from a US Army Reservist)! ruclips.net/video/RDJgQErMSdA/видео.html
Based on a bit more research, I stand behind the conclusion (and most details) of my research on the Patriot being MUCH more effective, and absolutely capable of destroying this missile attack (and much larger attacks). However, it appears the full data-sharing integration of "all" other US-based air defense systems is an upgrade currently in-progress and to be completed in 2023.
Per my best research, it still receives updated data directly from E-3 and E-8C sensors, both of which are based in Okinawa. In addition, I believe the PAC-3/PAC-3 MSE missiles are designed to communicate with the Patriot battery during flight, I'm just not certain as to the limitations of that communication. The missiles have integrated radar, so my interpretation would be a combination of the communication capability from Patriot command & control combined with integrated missile radar would mean Patriot missiles fired on radar tracks would not self-destruct shortly after launch as seen in the war game. The missile calculates the predicted intercept point at launch and any self-destruct function would only be utilized if it went beyond that calculated point and didn't receive any electromagnetic signal from the designated target, or if the Patriot operator ordered a manual self-destruct. All my best guess/interpretation, but it's a difficult subject given the complexity of this system. What I do know is DCS is way off in modeling the Patriot system even if DCS is only modeling a much older version.
Thanks I will read this properly as soon as I get a chance.
I would imagine a realistic-sized air battle would probably be large enough to start lagging out everyone's PCs though. There's no way there won't be naval assets on both sides deployed into the area, and I would assume for the same reasons you mentioned the actual number of air assets would be far larger than what's represented here.
You know DCS is a computer game yeah? And as you say you are a civvy. Can't wait for your expert armchair commander breakdown of COD.
PATRIOT got beat by ghetto ass Iranian drones and missiles over and over again... Calculations dont cover for crap rocketry and doctrine
Nice Mission! Very cool, well done, Cap and GR!
When the B-3 comes on line imagine having a few B-2’s retrofitted as stealthy airborne refueling aircraft. Put four F-22’s with each one and use them to disrupt Chinese AWACS and/or bombers much closer to China. The use of F-15’s as missile carriers (10-12 AMRAAMs) and mix them with F-22’s are other options. F-35B’s armed for air to air would be safe away from airfields.
stupid america . where is DF26?? why china J 20 not before J 10 get in the Battlefield？？？ u only make a big joke . and a lot stupid america so excited. in the first island chain America 100% loser。no any chance.
The sounds effects you make are great lol
I love these missions, Keep it up! I wanna see this again with 1 Arleigh Burke, except have some of the Chinese fighters carry anti-ship missiles for the Arleigh Burke. Or maybe same scenario with one American destroyer protecting the island and one Chinese destroyer firing the anti-ship missiles from out in the ocean. Idk just an idea, loving the content! keep up the awesome work GR's
Been stationed there for a year in the 1990s.
There is also Marine Corp bases up and down the island with an airbase with F-18s and F-35s and helos.
Also, Japan has their version of F-15s in the area.
thxx
Great video as always Reapers......... really fun to watch!!!!
Cool video, thank you :)
That scenario was super exciting! Reminded me of the equally intense Taiwan series
Very interesting scenario, and outcome. Though I think there is a US Navy port at Okinawa, so it's a little hard for me to believe there would be no Navy ships nearby. F-15s wiping out a numerically superior adversary is not unexpected, and the buffs the Chinese have in game make it even more impressive. The only thing I really take issue with is the stealthiness of the J20. I've read quite a bit about it, and it has some serious flaws that give it a much more sizable radar cross section than a stealth aircraft should have.
that base is White Naval Base.
@@toddholmes1487 they are the best!
Considering an F-15J caught one on radar at 100+ miles away it’s probably not stealth at all.
U are right
@@josephwhiskeybeale I could be wrong, but I don't think there is an f15j.(typo?)
I think the letter designation stops at e. This is not a criticism of ur post. I think u are correct about topic. Take care
Not gonna lie. This was put together really well. Actually is a joy to watch. Great job, looks great!
Why would you lie?
Great video!!!! So good!!! ;-)
If the Chinese would attack Okinawa, I would even doubt they would send any planes. They are in range of Chinese missle systems and are so close to the mainland that Okinawa might just be overwhelmed by missiles.
It feels a bit sad at how few missles the F-35 can carry due to its stealthy configuration despite the huge cost of each F-35.
Nope not happening the JDF is more than capable of fending off attack with or with out help from American forces the would have to send almost their entire armies to take them down missiles alone would not be enough
China has Carriers now! 3 of them..There's no doubt they have the capability to send a Air attack.
@@jameslove5457 Japan is a joke. Ever since the white Americans nuked them it seems Japan became USAs chimp and are forced to be dependent on America.
@@jameslove5457 Something will get through.
Great content, especially given the limitations of the game. The only thing I would ask for or do differently is to have at least one flight of fighters already airborne from Okinawa? It would seem logical to me that they would have something in the air at all times. Not sure if it would have affected the outcome but it would be nice to see.
Loved it though, Pax Vobiscum.
I was literally looking at the sat image when you were in the vid lol.
Before I watch the simulation, I want you to know that you have left out several important things. First, there are three air bases with fighters, Kadena, Futenma, and Naha (actually a Japanese Air Base shared as the civilian airport) there are also several peripheral runways on nearby islands. Secondly, There are many more air defense assets available, both US and Japanese, on Okinawa and nearby islands. Thirdly, the Navy has many capable assets in the area that could participate in this scenario. Lastly, it would be impossible for China to mount this attack without being noticed and possibly even preempted. This type of simulation is educational and thought-provoking but not very close to reality. By the way, I live about 2 miles from Kadena AB.
The first chinese attack would probably be chinese ballistic missiles instead followed on with UAVs. J-16 SEAD would probably come next with CAP escort. These scenerios is just for laughs.
>it would be impossible for China to mount this attack without being noticed and possibly even preempted.
It would probably be noticed at the political level before Chinese military movements. Anybody who tangles w/US military air power is either insane, seriously stupid or from another planet. Notice Putin needs to threaten nukes.
I wish we'd get an actual F-2 module, it's just such a beautiful aircraft.
Japanese is EXTREMELY secretive about their military planes...even the retired F1.
Oh and the JASDF has a couple of F15 squadrons at Naha Air Base in southern Okinawa which routinely respond to PLAAF incursions. I was in Okinawa for the last 5 years so it’s great to see this simulation.
thanks Mike. I didn't see anything about this when I was googling :(
@@grimreapers the JASDF has 2 squadrons with what looks like a total of 18-20 F-15J and an E-2 contingent with 2 planes,
Interesting base, double as a civilian airport
Interesting video, I've spent 5 years in Okinawa while in the service. Some of the best times in my life.
love your videos, they're awesome
this is actually so cool. the shots are something out of top gun
You have to remember that the air base is a fraction of the military assets that are on Okinawa (Marine, Navy, JDF) etc. There are plenty of ISR and AWACs assets as well. Also, they don't fly off one plane at a time during a surge. Having spent several years at edge of Kadena (air show every day), well done on the simulation. Also, you should have had Taiwan scramble jets to support the US.
I don't think the DCS AI allows for that.
There are lots of assets in Japan but I couldn't find any more air-to-air assets on Okinawa islands itself.
@@grimreapers like I said, I lived there, it was an airshow every day. :) Lots of Hornets on a regular basis too.
if i were the chinese, i would just mass volley medium range missile in thousands to okinawa base. Much more cheaper and save a lot of jet fighters. But of course, we would like to see dog fight which the purpose of this video
Yeah right...
That was brilliant!!
Awesome video and great flying.
I've joined your Discord and am downloading the game as I type this.
One would suspect the US would have some sort of intelligence of suspiscious activities if that big of an attack were prepared. So the surprise might not be as elemental. Especially given the general Taiwan tension.
Not criticism, just a general idea.
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@@grimreapers i just found it humorous that there is an option to translate your response to English (United Kingdom). I know what you meant even if google doesn't. 😁
We do.🇺🇸🦅🇹🇼
Question / modified scenario: Assume that the tension in the region was ramping up and the US, having run this very wargame, decided to beef up the Kadena / Okinawa defenses with a single Arleigh Burke DD off the west coast, say 15 miles from the base, until such time as additional SAM's can be brought in. ChiComs spotted the DD and hurriedly added a small leading anti ship element to the strike package.
Not to mention if they sent a DDG there will likely be a full CSG hanging around not soon after. Also if there is a CSG hanging around there SSBN/SSNs also lurking.
Now that was epic. You just earned yourself a new subscriber
Just needed to say I loved that paint scheme on the F-16 in the thumbnail.
Nice job Cap. Wish I knew the story behind your dislike of ED but I’m glad you’re still playing and making vids. Your campaigns back in 2018 are what got me into DCS
@@oakieoak6641 dunno...boys will be boys
Home of the 554th Red Horse Squadron. My afsc, Pavements & Heavy Equipment, our mission would be that if the runway did get cratered like this in real life, we would have it up and running in 4-6 hours. Obviously with this many hits and damage, we would probably be logistically overwhelmed, with not enough heavy equipment and man power. In those types of situations though, you'd have to believe that we would use any available personal and resources to get the mission done though. Air Force Civil Engineers main mission is that Runway. So we would all be focused on it. Get planes in the Air and for them able to land. It would be a chaotic mess, but that's when we're at our best. There's a book with rules for everything. When shit hits the fan, the books are thrown out the window and training kicks in.
They moved to to Guam years ago. Kadena no longer has an active Red Horse Squadron...
@@ephraimpaustian Didn't know that! They have them still listed that they're stationed there. I looked up Anderson and see that they're stationed there now. My mistake and good catch! A friend in my tech school class was stationed at the 219th in Malmstrom. I was diverted twice and ended up being Prime Beef. Again, was going to be stationed at Kunsan with my best guy from basic and tech, in the grand wisdom of the AF I guess they didn't need us there either so, he went basically home to Nellis and I to Little Rock. I can't tell you how much I hated little Rock. Not because of the people, but the place.
@@whalehands4779 all good man, I'm a 2W0 and was stationed there back from 14-16. They still have buildings out there for TDY units but that's pretty much about it.
@@ephraimpaustian Yeah I was supposed to be deployed to Manas Air Base when it was shutting down. We didn't know if we were going or when. It was literally back and forth on if we were or weren't. Before that was Qatar. I can't remember where the third was going to be. Three deployments...all canceled. I was 3E2 obviously lol
Okinawa always has a Seabee battalion on rotational duty at Camp Shelby to assist w/ all construction & repairs. MCAS Futenma can handle carrier aircraft, c-130’s, helicopters, Osprey.
First time seeing this channel, pretty cool.
Greetings from Sweden!
Best F-sim channel on RUclips and the most fun.
Would love to see a hypothetical attack on Pitins private bunker on the shore of the Black sea
One thing you forgot is as soon as a thret like this was detected they would scramble jets from Mainland Japan too. Not just launching towards the end.
Love the video, as always gents. The issue with this is that you're assuming we wouldn't know this attack wasn't happening until the "trigger" point created for the video. This wouldn't happen.
If terrorists with minimal flight instruction can crash into our Pentagon I don't think it'd be hard for the Chinese to launch a sneak attack, especially with our woke military.
Great stuff 👏 👍 👌
This was great!
Hell yeah Seabees are here for airfield damage repair. Appreciate the mention of the redheaded stepchildren of the navy
Seabees are absolutely mental lol look up their train robbery from Vietnam lol absolutely hilarious
I was born in Okinawa. Watched the F-15 take off from Kadena.
So, what's your point?
Great job guys, What sim did you use to create this? Also I would have expected more support from the sea. I know it all happens in minutes but would there be any support from any other surrounding islands?
This is the first time I am watching one of these videos and I have to say, it was pretty awesome to watch and listen to the players interacting with one another and watching the whole thing come together. There are a few carrier strike groups floating around the area that are on standby at all times and when tensions rise between the US and China and or Japan and China those carrier strike groups are ready to go. Considering how this simulation turned out, if the carrier strike groups were included it would have been a bad day for China. There are also assets in the air basically at all times and you seem to have missed Marine Corps Air Station Futenma which also houses F-35's and such. Also, where is the JDF and all of their air assets, lol? Either way, awesome video, awesome narration, and awesome players to pilot!
I was saying in my response, JDF has naval teeth and now basically pocket carriers….and wouldn’t sit placidly in this scenario.
@@jimreilly917 yeah, I watched a bunch of other war games videos after this one and honestly I don't think the server/game could handle the amount of assets that would be involved if he were to include everything that would actually be available. I watched one where he shot like a hundred something ballistic missiles or whatever they were plus included a bunch of air and naval assets and the server about crashed lol.
@@Tyler-rs3wy yup definitely. And it doesn’t cover any diplomatic war implications. The CCP Military would have to neutralize Okinawa…which has several US bases. It was given back to Japan in the 60s. So it ALSO houses Japanese air, Naval and some ground forces. Thus CCP forces would be attacking Japan, not just Taiwan ROC. According to the treaty that ended WWII and demanded complete disarmament of Japan for a time, then stipulated only defense forces, a provision of that treaty is that the Allies (practical, US )are responsible for the defense of Japan from outside attack.
This kind of attack would begin at least a region wide war in Asia…if not WWIII. India borders China to th south and is already hair trigger with China after China ambushed border troops a couple years ago. They killed some Indians…then the Indian troops just went beast and put the entire invading force in body bags after HAND TO HAND combat.
China is, for a host of reasons, NOT ready for such an idiot move.
This was great. I would love to see a round 2 attack against a repaired runway and an Okinawa rearmed by the mainland F16 and Naval assets that would respond within 24 hours. Thank you for sharing this with us. 🍻
I think I need to research the area more first. You guys have pointed out a LOT of errors I have made.
@@grimreapers the Kc10s, kc135s, E2's from both carrier groups, and E3 and fighter support that flew with Spar20 most likely had F22's, F35's, F15's, F16's, and F18's and others from allied nations have with them. Not including Sam support from subs, and ships.
Excellent job reapers!! As always fun content!
DCS is the coolest thing ever SOOOO much fun!! Thanks for sharing the vid.
I don’t know why the algorithm brought me here but this was probably the most exciting video I have watched in a long time. I was cheering at my phone 😂
The responce from japan and us, 3 gorges dam gone, every major power station on east coast gone starting with major industrial areas, ports mined, and on and on
You should model Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Japan. MAG 12 and a Carrier Air Wing there. Probably 12 fighter squadrons.
Still same problem that it's 400+ miles away though right?
Correct. But on the Island of Kyushu vice Oki
Lmao, I loved that. I’m new to theses sims but I played a ton in my CPU days
Sick video. Just wanted to add that Oki has Marine corps air station funtema, a few miles away from kadena, which has at least a couple squadrons of Fa 18’s which would certainly help.
Also, you should have put squadrons of F-16's up from the start of the attack, rather, than playing 30 minutes before sending the first few of your dier-fliers. I love your videos. Thank you for making them, please keep it up. (They should have already been on the way.) Could have just put the dier-flyers 30 minutes closer. Still.
Another wonderful video, one thought though. Could you line the tarmac with auxiliary aircraft so if(when) the missiles get through there is catastrophic damage? That would be cool.
Good idea!
What a great video.... Love this
I've never watched one of these, but damn, that was awesome!
Thanks!
Thanks God
Super cool on deployment at kadena always curious of what would happen in this scenario although i doubt p-8s could do anything to help smh
Looks like an awesome and very sophisticated game. I can understand how it sucks you in with a passion. When I was young I sometimes stayed at the office playing Castle Wolfenstein (original) or Doom until the early morning hours. When I finally went home, I was actually afraid to walk down the empty aisles because they reminded me of Castle Wolfenstein:)
My only worry is that these games make war feel like a game and many young people seem to be ready to go to any war because they think that it will be like a computer game.
Kadena F-15 462 (weapons loader/system maintainer) 1984-1986. We spent countless hours doing quick turns (missiles, ammo and fuel) , that was a fun video.
Entertaining battle. You need to include some US naval assets next time as Cap loves American seamen.
I love how realistic this game can be but I hate that it can also implement concepts like notching in hands down the dumbest most unrealistic way possible…
Can you explain a little hit more on how notching is unrealistic? The most realistic flight combat simulator that i play is war thunder and radars are a relatively new addition so i have no clue how they really work
I’m new to DCS, pls explain
@@SlopedOtter Notching is a maneuver used to hide from certain types of radars by going vertical relative to the enemy radar, causing said radar to filter you out with the ground clutter (therefore hiding you from Radar missiles or locks).
I never tried it myself, the people who I know have said it rarely works properly.
@@SlopedOtter There are several types of filters in the electronics world. High pass, low pass, band pass, and notch are among them. A notch filter passes all frequencies EXCEPT for the selected frequencies which it blocks. By maneuvering the aircraft in such a way that you appear to be virtually still from the perspective of the enemy radar, you capitalize on this notch filter and the radar breaks the lock. Usually this is done by flying perpendicular relative to enemy radar. I hope this helps.
@@safety_doggo2 probably ineffective against rolling airframe missiles and like tech using a rotating missile or seeker head which I believe would avoid just such an effect as notching.
27:04 "You sir, prepare to get suckerfished. WOOOOOH" 🤣🤣 had me dying
I was there for 2 years on Hanson that was the biggest base on Okinawa wow this brings back memories for me
According to the Rand think tank, Okinawa would be hit by a missile barrage first (ballistic types DF-21 DF-14, DF-26. DF-25) .
PLA airforce would be following up to mop up whatever allied planes escaped from the island
Reality is often left out of the scenario here too much.
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Anyone can do the math. Missiles are faster than fighter jets. In reality Okinawa and Japan air base on mainland japan would be hit the same time thus denied Japanese air support to Okinawa.
Awesome video. I was stationed in Okinawa once upon a time. There are a considerable amount of US assets in the area missing from the video as others have stated, but a good watch nonetheless. I look forward to more videos GR.
Imagine witnessing all the aircraft and missile contrails in real life, by the time you had enough time to process it all the missiles would have probably hit their targets, great simulation by the way.
the JSNDF actually has its own Aegis destroyers with BMD, 4 total, 2 of which are based in Sasebo on Kyushu.
They now have pocket carriers, ostensibly for helos. But they can also throw jump jet’s into the fight…and Japan has F35s.
2 considerations that I'd like to point out: We don't know how much of the Patriot systems attacking their own missiles was a game bug and how much would actually happen. Realistically, there's a chance to reduce the inbound missiles even more.
Knowing basically nothing about Patriot missiles, I wondered about that too, and how much of a possibility friendly fire on missiles could be, given the huge volume or ordinance going out. You've got to wonder if there have been any real-life wargames or test-fires putting out that much ordinance to see if that could actually occur IRL.
51:38--Seabees are absolutely no joke. They'll have that runway temporarily "repaired" in time to land every plane that comes back from the fight. The runway will be fully repaired before dawn. Good video!
Oorah Seabees.
I was a Seabee and RRR (rapid runway repair) is no joke! Camp Shields FTW!
Yeah, before I met some Seabees in the navy, I didn't know you could ride a wheelie indefinitely on a backhoe.
If you think about it, if the Chinese were that smart, the Hilton on Shields will be there first target.
@NAM CBEO I was deployed there for 9 months with NMCB 40 in 2009 and lived in First Class Barracks to the right of the main gate. Thank you for the history lesson of Camp Shields and also for your service Seabee!
Does the WinWing joystick have a 3rd axis? Twist on the handle? Like the X56? I have to use an X56 as I can't use my feet but I'm fed up with the build quality of the Saitek stuff, it used to be good, it isn't anymore! Or does anyone know of a stick that will do the same? Thanks.
Patriot Missles are finally good. I was part of the 1st instructor batallion, and had the privilege of teaching others the system and how it worked.
They are garbage Even US Allies want Russian or Chinese S-400
When the U.S. AWACS detected the incoming hostels not only would the Air Force Bases responded from Okinawa BUT the United States 7th fleet would have responded as well sending aircraft in from the 2 aircraft carriers in the vicinity of Taiwan.
I would like to see this fictional war game again but with about 20 or 30 aircraft from the 2 aircraft carriers in the vicinity of Taiwan.
The volume of missile defence systems would be much higher as well.
At 180nm, firing missiles is good. By the time the missiles are at max range, the enemy will have closed to the missile max range. Boom.
Love these videos.
This is really so cool to watch
Wow, the J-20s killed a lot of F-15s in the last minutes of the engagement.
It is just a fantasy.
Hope fully they add air defense capability’s two the Popeyes on kadena, they are too important to unit moral.
Facts. Save the Chillis too, and the Olympic PX 😂
Well Done!!
Thanks for putting this on. I hope that you have the capacity to take on board the recurring themes from informed commentators and add some of those elements to a rerun. However, with a nominal escalation of Chinese planning for those assets, I think you'd be going beyond the bounds of a DCS run.