.30 Airgun Pellet Ballistics Gel Test
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2018
- This video is for people curious about how large caliber airgun pellets make clean kills on large game with shots to the vitals/lungs/heart.
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I have a Benjamin marauder 25 cal. I own property in Oregon where black tail deer run around and pillage my wife’s garden. And for many years now, we get tags for the deers and I shoot them in the head and every year I dropped them where they stand. Average shot about 40 to 60 yards. JSB’s Diablo’s .25.
One thing I can tell you, it goes right through the skull and into their brain. They drop where they stand. It’s impressive. We get meat on the table and save the wife’s garden vegetables.
Ian they get deer tags smart ass😂
Wow😮
That's amazing drop a deer with a .25 PCP!
A lotta power at that distance!
I drop a hog at 28mts with my hatsan Striker in .22, the hog weights aroud 40kg!
Probably is not illegal in Oregon. This video was referring to FL's law
@@rafaelobo1 Oregon allows a lot of hunting and the State leaves it up to individual counties and cities. My high power Umarex Gauntlet.25 will take a deer
It would be cool if this dude could simulate a shot on a deers skull with some kind of prop to mimic it.
Ughh. I just rewatched this and sometimes when I meant to say 45 or 50 grains I'd say .45 or .50 caliber instead. All of these pellets are .30 in this video.
Nice video!
Can't stop laughing at 'Dye A Bolo' ...
It's "Diablo" pronounced 'Dee Ah Blow'
It is not. Nearly all airgun personalities mispronounce it. Wikipedia backs me up and shows it clearly has 4 syllables. dee-AB-e-loh. I put the emphasis on the wrong syllable but my pronunciation is more correct that “diablo” which clearly ignores a syllable.
Furthermore look on a tin of pellets where the word is clearly spelled “diabolo.” Then wiki diabolo and see that I am right. (Or at least more right than the airgun industry personalities who mispronounce it).
@@Florida_Bullfrog I know how its spelled. I have many tins of JSB pellets.
I'm saying it's pronounced the same way as Diablo
Relax, you have an intelligent enough audience to understand your intended meaning.
DI-ABALO... lol love it. Thanks brother🍻
I know dia bolo.....lol
As a fellow airgun hunter in Florida I thank you now I'm comfortable taking my .30 impact deer hunting i was going yo take a head shot but now a double lung of heart shot will be better
Well with all the development in Central Florida, an airgun is only way I can shoot without being scared of going threw someone's house. Too much development where I live for any other hunting
@@robode1945 usually a head shot doesn't exit. It just rips it apart on the inside. It might exit the lungs if no bone hits it.
I'm pretty impressed by the temporary stretch cavity from those pellets. They actually deposit a fair amount of energy into the target. Thumbs up buddy.
Great video,you take the .30 cal air rifle to alot more common sense explanation than these hired airgun youtube salesman and very technical Brits.I just started testing pellets in my new hatsan carnivore pcp in .30 cal and learned alot off of this one video,thumbs up,keep them coming.
did you ever kill anything with your .30 caliber.
Central Florida lake Polk Sumter here, I tried for hours to explain difference between BB gun, airsoft gun and a AIR RIFLE in regards to damage/hunting to my buddies, I'm showing them this. They don't get that you can kill birds with these, plus it's way cheaper and more places to use where using a full on rifle might not be the best idea. By my house there's too much development so hunting with air rifle is much easier to do without a backlash :)
Thanks for the great info Bullfrog 👍🏻
I picked up the new Noe mould in 30 cal for my flex. It does 4 different weights of pellets. Pretty cool deal. Thanks for posting this is awesome
Great information 👍
Thanks for posting
Very informative review on pellets. Thanx!
The pellet's head travelling through the gel would be like the bow of a boat creating a wake in water. So perhaps the gel is spreading out BEFORE the pellet's skirt can have an effect...
My mind is open to the possibility, maybe there is some good slow motion video somewhere of a pellet shooting thru gel?
Great work!
Hey man! Very interesting and informative video - keep it up! Just subbed👍
Anyone else thing that block of ballistics gel was a lot bigger than it was until that dude picked it up?
Great video thank you
Cool video I love it it proves the power of a pellet not to be underestimated and great for hunting all game
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Fantastic post
Listen to that accent. He clearly knows what he's talking about.
Outstanding!👍👍
Hopefully everyone knows this applies to only PCP in general. The Hatsan QE 135 .30 cal (breakbarrael) will have different ballistics than what Bullfrog is presenting.
@@juarezderrick9647 im lookin for that gun to thx
They, with 45 or 50 grain round nose penetrate bout 12 inches
Which aint all that bad. Plenty Deadly and will be reliable on anything under about 120lb.
Very interesting.
You have changed my mind about strictly going after slugs. Slugs might benefit from longer range shots on small game, but the diabolos are ripping through deer like a propeller.
Just wondering what .30 cal air rifle are you using
The Rat Sniper 24gr and 44.4gr in .25 cal are very destructive out of the AirForce Condor in ballistic gel at 8 yards.Going tomorrow if it isn't raining to see what they do at 50 yards and how they group out of the AirForce Condor and the Benjamin Armada.
Hey, Florida Bullfrog. Is this your Texan SS in .308? For deer hunting...do you recon I use slugs? Or pellets?
Also just purchased the Hatsan Hercules Bully in .30 off Walmart website for $691.54 and no tax.Everywhere else they want 900.00.
For real? I can't find it on there, I'm about to spend $899 one one, best deal I can find. Link me if you know where to get one that low. I may go with the Hatsan Hercules QE because you get a lot more shots. Like 50 in .356, but it's over 1,000 bucks. If I can find the Bully that low I'm going with that. Happy shooting, man. Join Airgun World on facebook if you are on there and share some pics. Great group.
191$ www.midwayusa.com/product/450982/hatsan-model-130-vortex-qe-30-caliber-pellet-air-rifle
You got ripped off 😂
No he didn’t get ripped off. That’s not the same gun. There’s no comparison between a Hercules and a Vortex
Just ordered mine off amazon for 740 something, they wanted 899 on PA and AGD.
I noticed today Amazon has Benjamin Bulldogs cheaper than the airgun retailers as well.
I ordered some of the Rat Sniper 25gr wicked monster hp for my .25 AirForce condor to see what they do.
fathertimenc Did they do well?
Awesome! Hunting with your airgun in Florida now. Harvest deer with our deadly, accurate, and quiet air rifles. See if Montana can get in line.
Great video, good information.
The problem with allowing airgun hunting is next they will regulate the guns! My state has no airgun regulations. You just have to be 18 to buy one. If they make a hunting season they will require licensing!
One thing that I noticed while testing diabolo pellets with longish tails, is that upon impact the tail expands and moves forward causing the pellet to “wiggle “ through the target. I’m seeing wounds in groundhogs from .25 pellets that are more devastating than .22 rimfire bullets. The rimfire delivers three times the energy, but most of it is wasted .
I've found in my experience that the hollow point 50 and 64gn slugs from Neilson are the best, 💡The key is having a good powerful pcp air gun to begin with👍
would like to see a 22 for comparison on the fact the air rife is over 1100 dollars and i do realize the noise factor and using the aguilera bullets with no pouder just primer!
what rifle did you use in this test the flex .30
Yes
It would be cool if there was some thing you could stick in the ballistics gel to simulate bone or bones and see what the effects are. Maybe get some raw beef or pork ribs from the grocery store and just slide them in the gel and make a makeshift rib cage? How do these air guns do when the pellet encounters different bones like a deer or coyotes rib cage or skull or leg bones or pelvis for example? It’s would be cool to test it somehow with ballistics gel.
I have a R5 Matador.30....and i ONLY shoot NSA 47 grain slugs out of it....its a much better BC then JSBs....
Been using my .25 Matador to test effectiveness at different ranges/speeds of pellets vs slugs. The traditional diabolo JSBs are IMHO amazing to 50 yrds... very stable at 800-900 fps. Extremely accurate. Above 970 or so they destabilize and wobble. The slugs, with their better BC, are much better performers above 50 yrds... they fly flatter, lose less energy, and become more accurate. They also can be driven faster without becoming unstable. All in all? Pellets for me 50 and under. Slugs 50 and over.
Great Video!! I'm in the market for an Airgun I was trying to convince myself I need a 40 to 50 cal single shot big bore. After watching this video I think I'll just go semi auto in .30 or .35 way more fun and useful in my opinion and after watching this I'm sure this caliber will get the job done for me.
Good vid thanx , but a lil under 2 3/4 is questionable .
I gained 25 to 30 fps with the .30 cal pellets by lapping the skirt on my plastic card table for 2 or 3 seconds. It creates a little "flange" all around the bottom of the skirt, and seals the bore better, (less air blow by). I have tested it on the crony, (break barrel Hatsan, JSB dome 44.75 gr. 540 out of the tin, up to 585 but usually 569 flanged), and there is no doubt it works for these larger pellets , (sturdy enough to push on the table). I have not tested accuracy yet though.
Where do we get these DIE-a-BALOO pellets? Or did you mean dee-OB-low, as in spanish for the devil?
I did not mean Spanish for the devil. Because that would be wrong. Pellets are called Di-a-bi-los because that’s the word for a spinning top, which is similar to the shape of a pellet. Everyone who calls them Dia-blos is completely wrong.
Wanted to see what the predator polymags would do..
Mr. Bullfrog, I know this is an older video, but have you tried the new JSB Hades in .30 cal.? Think...mechanical broadhead! I have had impressive results in the field.
I have not. I haven't bought pellets in a couple of years. I mostly cast my own now. When I do shoot commercial .30 pellets I have a stockpile I put up last time I did a big order from PA in a sale.
Love your videos! Keep up the good, practical, informative content. If you would like to try the .30 Hades, give me a shipping address and I'll send you a tin. A big 'thumbs up' and God bless you from Pumpkin Swamp in the heart of Dixie County!
And if you want the source to that video type in how far bow and arrow can kill you that's how you get to that video about the guy with the bow that shoots wild pigs and that ballistic gel is an accurate on what it'll do on actual game
Sorry to bother but are you going to sell your camera mount again soon?
Yes, I will sell it again. I get too many requests for me not to. I've got my workshop set up. I just need to sit down and build some.
30 cal pellets are 7.62
Your barrel's rifling twist couldn't be hardly even one revolution per the length of your gel. So how much "spinning" of the pellet in the gel is really happening??
It would be like the slice of a knife with some stroke added to it. Not unlike a cutting tool on a lathe. It would only take some turn to cut.
I disagree with the broadhead analogy too because the edge of the skirt (your blade) is in effect scraping not slicing.
the twist I am guessing " I am a black powder man" would be 1 turn in 73 inches
Yea great video. What is that block your shooting made out off ??? Jello?? No kidding but it’s not FBI ballistic gelatin I can tell by the texture when your handling it. Otherwise pretty cool...
Most pcp bigbore airifles have a higher muzle speed compared to a 1911 cal 45 9mm Berreta 92fs ectr ectr alsow Most bigbores alsow load bullet shaped pellets.
Ive seen ballistic penetration tests were the 1911 didn't penitrate a concrete block and a 45air rifle shooting a bullet shaped pellet penitrate with ease!!
That Umarex Hammer .50 with 700ftlbs is going to change everything. People hunting black bear and buffalo with that thing man, it's unreal.
@@brandonthorpe9905
True True!
That's some knock down power right there!!! I'm allready good with the 30cal semi auto pcp and co2 powered rifles. Can't wait till a 50cal pcp semi auto rifle will hit the market!
@@tattasinslachtoffersrolspo179 That will be a big day. There is a full auto PCP Air Ordinance SMG in .22 (only 500 fps though) comes with a 200 round belt. This little sport is evolving quickly.
@@brandonthorpe9905
Yeah I know! Great isn't it!
Check out this Hastan. I love it!
ruclips.net/video/Ye7_F9EaIMQ/видео.html
@@tattasinslachtoffersrolspo179 That is too cool. It's a pretty gun too, the ordinance looks like a paintball gun, or a water gun or something haha.
I have the fx boss 30 cal and predator poly mag Work best for me I killed a dog at 60 yards gave it a headshot it dropped
30 cal into a coconut
Idk waddup with people making piss pudding, but just dump in 3% hydrogen peroxide with the batch and don’t heat it up when adding the gelatin. Heat water first, let it cool down for a minute - add the gelatin, stirr gently wit a tiny stick not a spoon, when all gelatin is dissolved, add about 10oz of 3% h2o2 to a gallon of gelatin mix. Let it cool down with a plastic bag wrapped around it, and then another plastic bag. This creates vapor pressure barriere and keeps it from clouding up too.
The bags also keep oxidation of the product. What you end up with is something like clear ballistic gello instead of urine gello. There is a preservative based on sulfur you can add to to keep the block from going moldy.
What joules have It?
100j, if my conversion was correct. The FPE is 74.
@@Florida_Bullfrog I was able to modify a .22 (5.5) with these modifications hit close to 140 joules, lead of 38 grains.
But ballistics gel is not the same as actual flesh I wish people would realize that sir to give you a comparison a 40 lb bow longbow will only go 5 and 1/2 in into ballistics gel at 20 yards however if you shoot a wild pig it will go 16 in into the pig but I loved your video and it was very impressive oh and by the way the 40 pound pull bow was done with single bevel broadheads that were razor sharp
That's because the ballistic gel grabs the shaft of the arrow and slows it down.Lot more area for friction.
Deee aaaaaahhhh blllllooooowww
Seneca sumatra in .25 can reach 100 fpe
Wow I had no idea. 30 cal PCPs were so devastating
i dont care what pellet rifle or pellet you use sir but you should use the same ideologie as the brits do wait for the head shot because even if you make a perfect pass through on both lungs you will still be trailing for a minimum of 100 to 200 yds been killing them with a .25 for quiet a while and never have had to look over 10 feet with a shot centered half way between eye and ear same with hogs just my opinion but you will learn what works best for you just my 2 cents
My experience has been that pellet-shot whitetails, if shot with large bore pellets, take a few leaps then stop and stare until they collapse into their death throws a few seconds later.
maybe where you are but here it hasnt been that way but why take a chance in loosing a deer when you do not have to treat them like a squirrel and make the head shot take aim whistle and he will stop in his tracks and drop him like a sack of potatoes just my way of doing it each to their own if it works for you that is great keep up the good work
Lee you couldnt be any farther from realistic scenarios. Go whistle at a mature whitetail in the woods and see what they do! And minimum 100 to 200 yards?!? That's an asinine statement as you have zero evidence supporting that logic, please keep your sub 12ft lb mindset over there.
Rambler Gamblerfishing lol I've been shooting hogs under 100 lbs with a Sumatra(body shots). 25 ever since I've got it and I've never EVER EVER had to track 1-200 yards. EVER. I feel that shot placement is key. ALWAYS. I've had old timers tell me to stop hunting with toys(bows and crossbows)and about how many deer they've lost with them. I'm sure I don't have to explain the rest because you already probably know what I told them lol human error not the weapon.
A more realistic test would be to introduce some simulation of bone into the equation. The likelihood of hitting the shoulder bone or a rib is very great and could make a clean Humane kill difficult.
A headshot on the other hand will drop them in their tracks, no tracking and less chance for a wounding the animal.
I guided an airgun hunt last weekend and the hunter killed 2 deer with a .308 airgun and made very clean kills. However he was using 99 grain bullets not the lighter pellets in this video. When I kill one on video with my own .308 airgun I will test various loads and pellets on the carcass before I clean it.
Thanks bullfrog that would be great! Love your videos keep up the good work.
40 grain @ 1000fps will blow through a shoulder bone inside 50 yards. It'll be fine. Right behind the shoulder bone? The heart & two lungs!
don't mean a lot shooting just into gel Deer come with a hide on that would effect penetration
Deer don't have 1 foot of muscle either, just a inch or two of it around the lungs. The lungs themselves offer hardly any resistance. This setup will shoot thru two small pine trees back to back at 40 yards, which I demonstrated in a video a couple of years ago. Hide wouldn't offer any significant resistance.
I see you dont like the predator polymags why I have been hereing that it is supposed to be the best for hunting and make a hell of a wond channel and big shots out to you I like all of your videos
I do like them, I just don't like them out of this gun when fired fast.
I’m assuming he’s using his flex which in past videos the polys didn’t shoot as well as the Diablos from that gun .
Good information overall. However, besides sealing the bore, perhaps the biggest reason for the pellet skirt is to stabilize the pellet, much like the "feathers" on a badminton shuttle cock.
you will have to get a gun to shoot deer-roe in Europe that can deliver 1000 joule at the distance of 100 meters.
otherwise its considered animal crultitie,.so pcp is out of the question.
peteralexben for roe deer? Lol those deer aren't big at all.
DieObolow?
Florida speak for "DEE-ABLOW" ( Don't argue swamp speak...)
Similar to "Wind Channel" (Wound Channel (at 2:50)
Thats so silly that they require pcp in a .20 caliber for turkey. There are plenty of breakbarrel .20 cals that can take a wild turkey and are more powerful than pcp in the same caliber. Not to mention that the power difference between .20 and .177 and theres not all that many .20 pcp out there. Its nearly a dead caliber.
I just looked on pyramid air and the only .20 cal pcp there are the air force guns. Which is fine those are good but a better metric would have been to as you say treat the pellet as a broadhead tipped arrow and kinda look at the best practices for whatever the equivalent of muzzle energy is for archery and just have a req for minimum muzzle energy for pellets. I mean how hard is a turkey to kill? I mean luckily its just the minimum and i guess they didnt want people out there with .177s winging Turkeys and leaving them to suffer. But again plenty of .177 on the higher end with the right ammo are capable of taking turkeys.
Wich air rifle u used on this video?
.30 Flex by Wicked Air Rifles, set for 74 foot pounds of energy (pellet is about 860fps). This one is configured with a shorter than normal barrel, 17 inches, to make the gun a carbine.
The reason why it's cutting through the gel it's cuz it has two little arms and a pair of Leatherman multi tool and it's cutting through the gel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like diablo pellets never heard of Dia-bolo pellets
If you look on a package of pellets such as JSBs, you'll see that they're diabolo, not diablo. Most airgun personalities on RUclips are mispronouncing the term, although my pronunciation also isn't totally correct under the original language either in the sense that the first syllable is "dee" not "di" as I have a tendency of saying it. But it doesn't end in "blo" it ends in "bolo." Diabolo is a term shared in many European languagesfor a spinning top/yo-yo like toy, the shape that pellets somewhat look like. Its based on the Greek dia bolo, which means "to throw across." Think of the Spanish weapon the bolas.
Read the tin, it's simple.
Diabolo Pronunciation = (DEE-AB-LOW)
HKGuy Snowman#1 My pronunciation is actually closer to the correct pronunciation than how most airgun personalities say it. It is not diablo. Otherwise it would be spelled that way. It isn’t. Pellets aren’t called “the devil”. They’re called a “spinning top” which is what diabolo means and what the shape of a pellet looks like. Google “diabolo pronounce” and see what it gives you. The only thing I pronounce wrong is what syllable I stress.
@@Florida_Bullfrog www.dictionary.com/browse/diabolo
@@Florida_Bullfrog the manufacture calls them dee-ab-lows. and yes "the devil" label was the reason for naming them. according to jsb and others.
JEFF GRENCIK That’s not true. Pellets are called diabolos because they look like spinning tops, which is what a diabolo is. A diabolo was a popular toy in the late middle ages and during the Age of Exploration. Often they’re in the form of a yo-yo. I’m 100% right about that. Look up air gun pellet on wikipedia. The diabolo toy has a wasp waist design and that’s where the name comes from.
and .177 way more than eneough for turkey
NOT legally,. that's the point.
Are you a dentist? That tool makes me uncomfortable
😂
Just a heads up, it's pronounced Dee ah blo, like the devil? I don't have a pcp, but I DO love my Hatsan 135 Carnivore in .30. And no, I wouldn't hunt deer with it, but I have taken coyote here in Florida with it.
MThrow Actually its often mispronounced and mispelled as diablo. The proper pronunciation is closer to the way I say it, except the last syllable is where the emphasis is. A diabolo is a kind of spinning top and pellets are named after it because of the similar shape.
@@Florida_Bullfrog You are 100% correct, for three years I have dug pellets out of the tin, and for some reason I have always seen "Diablo" and not Diabolo" Talk about an eye opener. I think YOU are the only one in so many videos that have actually pronounced it like it is actually spelled on the tin. My apologies good sir.
@@MThrow No apologies necessary. If you listen to the proper pronunciation, the last 2 syllables are said together so quickly that they almost blur into one and that's probably why people picked up the "diablo" pronunciation.
sounds like you have a FX air gun you might be wrong the daystate wolverine .303 100 ft/lbs my rifle is shooting in the 950's with the 50.15 grain jsb pellets you made a nice video but you don't have all the specs (not saying anything bad) JSB makes FX air gun pellets (the boss) 46.30 grains and H&N barracuda 46.30 I like the slugs from rat sniper I e-mailed them to buy some just pointing something out I have hit things out to 200 yards and most deer aren't over 200 lbs google the average weight of a deer oh serial # hw 0135 laminate grey stock order the fx pellets the H&N ones are kind of hard to get a hold of ask airguns of Arizona or FX airguns they both will tell you they are made by jsb have a good boss talk to you soon
Di-Ablo pellet. Ur saying it wrong dude. Sounds really irritating when u say it like that
Read the tin, your wrong
Wtf is a diabolo.
The real name of the shape of a pellet, as spelled on the tin and named after a diabolo spinning top. 99% of the RUclips airgun personalities are mispronouncing it. Although I guess if everyone mispronounces it, maybe that changes what is considered the correct pronunciation?
De . Ob. Lo pellets
Nope. De-Ah-bo-lo. Wiki it.
Florida Bullfrognope
Deyobluio
Gsfbffx Pdhhdf Per the dictionary: dee-ab-uh-loh
First
The way u say Diablo is cringe 😬 🤣🤣🤣
The way you write it is cringe, where its spelled Diabolo the way I say it. ;-)
"DEE-AB=LOW". Repeat after me,,,"DEE-AB-LOW"
Why would I want to repeat the wrong pronunciation after you ;-)? Look up the word diabolo on wikipedia and it will tell you in the pronunciation key that it has 4 syllables not 3. Virtually all of the airgun celebrities on RUclips don’t know how to say it correctly and misstate it as “diablo” instead of diabolo.
He's from FL...enough said :P
Read the tin, it's in english
"Dee-ah-blo" Diablo. Not "die-ah-bo-lo"