EVH TONE DEEP DIVE feat. DAVE FRIEDMAN and PETE THORN/GUITAR SUMMIT 2020
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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This has to be the best “brown sound” video I’ve heard.
Not only the best Brown sound, the BEST sound, man! Blew me away, reminded me how legendary Eddie's sound was and always will be.
This is dead on the sound, Pete Thorn and Dave Friedman have nailed it 😎
Everything Pete does sounds incredible. I’m convinced he could play a one string guitar made out of a box and a stick and it’d sound better than anything I’ve ever played. And I ALWAYS get compliments on my tone...still can’t touch Pete lol
It's missing some high end, a pair of JBLs would fix that
Jason Deraps has Ed down cold. I thanks its more in the hands than gear ruclips.net/video/P24utWxboko/видео.html
Great video Pete! Love the attention to detail.
Pete and Rick. You both have done great videos about a plexi style amp going through a variac to give the amp that sag or spongy feel.
My question is, instead of using a variac, what if someone switches the voltage switch on the back to 220v???
If running here in Canada or the US, wouldn’t it have the same effect??
Keep up the AWESOME work guys!
Rick another legend that I love just listening to I’m sure even Edward would be like “yea keep talking I’m interested” I love this cause I understand all it. What is Dave’s shop number? I would love to take my slp for a mod? Thanks
@@guskalogeros9021 that’s how Eddie had got the idea on dropping the voltage. He said that he had got a marshall and it was super quiet but it sounded amazing, and he realized that it was a UK one with the 220.
@@ryanschoenhals2071 do old plexis have a voltage switch from 220-120 v?
You can't fake tone (especially EVH) with fake modelers. That's why I feel like I should be a drummer with all the gear I gig with 🤣🤦♂️
Dude! This wasn't an attempt at the Brown Sound, this was a trip back in time to one of the greatest tones of all time. You nailed it 💯!
Thanks for watching!
@@PeteThorn what milliseconds is the delay set at in your video?
300ms
List of the specs they mentioned, and some other things to consider:
Amp:
Fat cap V2 (perhaps added by José)
Negative feedback resistor: 47k on 4 ohm tap (if I interpreted that one right), the resistor value is at the very least higher than normal, to decrease negative feedback "ruining" the signal.
Mid pot 50k
Array of resistors between the primaries of the output transformer, although not mentioned in the video, there are rumors about this(will probably kill your amp)
6ca7 tubes (same as 6550?)
Of course the variac (variable transformer) was used to lower the mains voltage going into the amp. The variac was set up to put out 90v instead of 120v, or 175-180v in Europe (with 230-240v mains). The bias was set to max, but max settings might vary from amp to amp. To bias your amp to Ed's specs, you'll have to get the amp running on 90v/175v/180v (mains), and set the bias to give each tube about 50mA of current. *Don't try running these samesettings on the normal voltage, cause you'll burn your tubes out with about 80mA each.*
The whole varia thing might not suit the 1987 circuit, since the tubes run on a lower voltage already (if I remember correctly).
In the old days Eddie also had an AC30 head as a backup amp, although it's not certain if he recorded anything with it, he is seen in the studio with it, holding his black and white Frankie (there's a picture on Equipboard, if you click on the Marshall 1959slp). There's a chance Ed used the power amp section of the Vox, while plugging his guitar into the Marshall pre amp. I am not sure if Eddie's Marshall had a FX loop, but since he used all of his pedals in front of the amp, this is very unlikely. Even though this scenario is unlikely, it could also explain some of the fizziness on the first album, the power section of a Vox AC30 tends to saturate a lot, even at low volumes.
Perhaps I'll be able to find more on EVH and slaving amps.
Speakers
G12M Greenback 75Hz(?) I've read stuff about G12H's as well since they'd keep up better with the volumes.
There have also been some rumors circulating about the use of Blackbacks, supposedly he only started using those since the recordings of Fair Warning, but I'm not sure if that's the case. Blackbacks sound really good on a VH1 style tone as well.
JBL D120, almost certainly only on VH1, from VH2 and onwards these high frequencies were nowhere to be found in the guitar tracks.
(4 Blackbacks G12M 75hz speakers were used in this video)
Guitar:
Frankie: Dimarzio Super Distortion or (probably) Mighty Mite 1300 pickup. Rewound PAF (Duncan Custom) was installed in '79 possibly.
Ibanez Super 70's in Ibanez Destroyer (shark guitar)
On VH! Eddie used a '57 vintage style Fender Stratocaster tremolo
On VH2 he might have used the Mighty Mite brass trem system (1133BR), (edit: Looking back on this: I read that Eddie used his "Charvel" Bumblebee a lot on the second album)
Signal chain:
Boss GE-10 equalizer (quite rare), buffers the signal and drives the amp a bit.
The preamp/compressor on the Echoplex ep-3. Not sure if Pete mentioned this, but the preamp from the Echoplex unit drives the amp as well. I believe due to a design flaw, the dry signal from the guitar was boosted as well instead of only boosting the repeats. Very important to run the echo/delay unit in front of the amp.
Strings:
9-40 Nickel strings (like the old days), perhaps the custom 9-40 set with the G-string being a 15
I'll definitely add some more to this comment, until then, fill me up on anything I missed.
Well this is the new go to video to get that Van Halen tone. You and Dave did an amazing job getting close to Eddie’s tone, amazing!
I’ve been down this rabbit hole creating his tone on my Axe-Fx III, I think I got quite close. Awesome job Pete, you never fail to disappoint.
I still watch this all the time. Best vid you ever made, next to the vai and mick mars jose marshalll vids. WE NEED MORE OF THESE
Guitar Summit couldn't have chosen better people for this....dream team Friedman-Thorn!! The power duo that specializes in the greatest tones of the 80s. You both are just Killers at this!! Great playing Pete!! Cheers brother!!
Thank you Ammol!
Fantastic Pete.... How blessed we were to have grown up with EVH.... Thank you for taking the time to put this together....
Thanks, man. Those sounds have been a huge part of my life for 40 years.
Respect man, I'm reconstructing Lemmy's sound since 5 years now and as you know, that means lots of shredded pics and fingernails, many hours of research, working on my instrument, amps and speaker cabs . . . but finally I learned so much about my gear and sound and I'm so happy every time I hit the strings and hear that tone again, thats great. Thanx to Lemmy and Eddy : )
You just keep topping yourself, Pete. The replication of Ed’s sound is actually spooky because it’s so right-on. A key component, though, is your ability to capture his touch, which makes all the difference in the world. Many thanks for the painstaking attention to detail that you and Dave put into this project. Yup, I qualify as a nerd!
thanks Bill!
I've put Super Distortions in two Alder-body strats and on both occasions it's transformed the attack on those guitars to something that immediately makes me think of the 1st VH album. There's a sizzle, and a tightness thing that happens on the low-e string that is recognisable to me.
Yeah I like alder Ash(swamp) can be thin sounding but w a hot pick up sorta fixes that maybe But yes alder and Mahagoney for me
Should have sounded like Dave Murry in an alder strat and stock Marshall Superlead...to the "T"!
Agreed. There's a certain attack and sizzle with ceramic magnets!
Love that you chose ain't talkin bout love to open the video with it really is the ultimate van halen riff
It's so nice to see someone play Ed's stuff with GROOVE man!
I am also a big fan of this video because it demonstrates that one can't really hear the difference on these speakers and that it is all within the hands and the groove!
Pete,,this was a real treat, and I got so immersed into this video "in search of eddie's early tones". I admire your playing, tenacity, and all around interest in this, as I was a big eddie fan. It seems you've basically nailed the tone to as close as it could ever be, and i thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I also learned something along the way. I bought a 5150 MXR pedal to add to my arsenal , and although it adds that Eddie flavor , it doesn't nail it like the tones you managed to squeeze out.
Thanks a bunch
the pedal is really good though!
Thanks Pete, this is a wonderful tribute to Ed. He has been such an inspiration to guitarists and music fans and he will live on.
In an Interview I heard Eddy say he had a pretty simple set up in the early days . The guitar he used was made with what was referred to as "seconds" the stuff no one wanted and because he couldn't afford a good guitar in the beginning he built his own .. He had a habit of doing his own thing like putting humbuckers on a Stratocaster because he wanted a better sound . Les Paul actually loved chatting with Eddy as they sort of exchanged ideas .
This is absolutely brilliant!! Nailed it Pete! Particularly liked Beautiful Girls tone on the 50w
I can see when you play, you are 11 years old again... I was when VH1 came out... hoooooooooo the memories.... (HUGE ***sigh***) RIP
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You have such a great ear for hearing all those tones and picking out what it is...and same goes for Dave... this is fantastic stuff!!!
Aside from the great EVH in-depth tone thing, this is the best instructional video I’ve seen on how gear works
This is SUPERB AWESOME INSANE
PETE FREAKIN THORN
Still watching A Year Later Brother Nerd
Ok i just started laughing and swearing loudly when the intro came in. If I wasn't paying attention I'd be sure you were miming to a track. Amazing.
😎
Thanks so much for this video, Pete. I was a rock guitarist in LA in 1978, and before VH1 was released Ed was already a legend. He was so far ahead of the rest of us that we were always out of breath from trying to catch up with him. Then VH1 was released and we stopped chasing him ... it was futile. I was running a 100W plexi back then and experimented with a variac, but found the tone suffered from it and used a RAT pedal instead. What I did not realize until I saw your video is that Ed was biasing for 90VAC. Duh. In my own defense, I was 18 at the time and had no idea how to bias my amp. To me the most important part of Ed's sound was the effect it had on an audience. There were lots of tight, talented club bands in the 70s but when VH took the stage, it was an entirely different experience. That wall of sound and Ed's technical facility was arresting. You could not stop watching, listening or talking about it after the show. An amazing combination of talent, innovation and showmanship, from young men who probably had no idea how good they really were. Thanks again for this enlightening research and great playing. You sound like Ed did at the Whisky in '77.
Funny how this comes out just when I am tinkering with almost exactly the same setup!!! 41:12
Ha! I think we all are ..not trying to ace it but currently trying to slave and mess with this bugera 1960 I picked up to get in the ballpark.
Ha! I think we all are ..not trying to ace it but currently trying to slave and mess with this bugera 1960 I picked up to get in the ballpark.
Just watching this video for 4th time, it was the best video on guitar tone 2 years ago and it still is. Pete are you planning similiar deep dive videos about other guitarists?
Wow You were dead on with the Second Amp
Now, please capture all that goodness into a Kemper profile and share! Hehe
Was thinking the same thing.
Please
Please
Very accurate sound matching to EVH early albums !!! Thanks for your work man !!!
9 MONTHS LATER AND IM BACK FOR MORE
Hi Pete. Honestly said, rather than replicating the tone of EHV this really helped me to understand how to use and analog delay unit in front of a cranked amp. Thank you.
Hands down...this and Pete´s SL68/SL67 vids are the best YT vids I´ve seen in my entire fricken life! And the tone on this one is truly mind-blowing MAGIC!!!!
Would love to see this turn into a series of deep dive vids...one on Brian May would be awesome. All the TB stuff, 60s/70s coins as picks, the Deacy Amp with the Elac speakers, Foxx phasers and all the stuff that makes it a true rabbit hole to go down...
Oh man ha! That would be some work, I did sort of touch partially on a Brian May tone video I guess when I did my treble booster video... But yes I could go deeper
Great vid! One of my favorite things about running a cranked amp is you can hear the power tubes and output transformer singing, as in the last playthrough at 41 minutes. So cool!
Brilliant. The best sounds ever. Thanks Pete and Dave, you made my day again!
É o melhor "brown sound" que escutei
De verdade mesmo, incrível!
Wow Pete!!! My favorite video of your channel so far!! Awesome relationship you & Dave have on this tone journey.
I watch so much RUclips on so many different things and this is by far the best video of 2020! Not even close! AMAZING JOB
Thank you for trying the On Fire run and not being weird about a couple clams....it's comforting to know I'm not the only one who can't hit those hammer ons from nowhere like a clear bell like Eddie did!
That was an awesome video. Eddie was such a big part in all of our lives as music fans. The guy before him to really change guitar was Hendrix, but Hendrix died way too young to stay around and create a full picture of his talent, but Eddie was around long enough to let us all appreciate him for the crazy genius he was. I am glad I grew up when I did on this planet and had Van Halen as the soundtrack for my youth. I have had guitars for over 25 years, and I still suck at playing, but I still try to learn Van Halen riffs from time to time. I can kind of play Little Dreamer, and yesterday I learned Beautiful Girls. At least the riffs, I can't solo for shit. Thanks for the video Pete!
DAVE AND PETE. KEEPING ME ALIVE.
The PINNACLE OF TONES
After getting this Bare Tone. Variac. Mods. It now up to you to create NEW MAGIC.
The same settings on Ed’s MXR Flanger that were used on “Unchained” were used on many other songs like “Hear About It Later” and I’m pretty sure, on parts of “Romeo Delight”, “Atomic Punk” etc.
As I understand he used one setting. And that was it. If you get an EVH flange and put the switch in it sounds pretty much dead nuts perfect for every song.
Dude, you have done a great job with this. It’s a fitting honor to the GOAT. I wish we knew what he thinks… =VH= FOREVER
Been rewatching this killer video! Dude; working on my super lead and thanks to you and Dave it’s a real asss kicker ! I bestow the the title of mega super sound guru on both of you.
💪🎸🤟🌞
I swore I was listening to the studio track on ain't taking about love near the end of the video. And I have a pretty good ear. Amazing dude.
Thanks!
A big thank you you for you Pete, your tone and playing never fails to inspire!
Great vid, how bout a deep dive vid on Yngwie? His old tone evan back on the Alcatrazz album was brilliant, distorted but so clean at the same time
You guys are amazing, I don’t know how I haven’t found you guys sooner. This is my dream Video. I love all the EVH Vintage knowledge
What a blast!! Thats why I love open streaming platform, because it allows you to do that kind of videos and me to be aware of (13 month later, but anyway)!! Thank you very much for all that meticulous work! Sooo well done! And so interesting!
The details are incredible - super cool to hear all the respective elements together.
I gotta get a guitar with just one humbucker and a volume knob, love ittttttt. Edit: After watching this video again more carefully, what an amazing job you guys did. When I try to cover VH songs the natural spring reverb on my Fender amp doesn't cut it (plus I don't have a cranked Marshall Plexi with a Variac but not many people do). I wonder how often he used the phaser on the first album, especially with the solos, I feel like he kicked it on a lot, using a subtle sweep you don't really hear it as much because he is just tearing through those solos. Typically the more gain I dial in from the amp or pedals, the less reverb I use (directly from the amp), because it can get really muddy. So now I think I might want to try a reverb pedal with a few reverbs on it, not just for VH but other gainy tones where I might want more verb. I actually have a TSR-12 from Digitech made in the 90s, but my setup is pretty analog so I haven't tried it on my main rig in a while. Too bad for me that the Sunset Sounds is a download and not a pedal!
I love how all the other tweaks and settings gave the flanger an attitude all it's own man....if you think about it it all really gives the flanger a hell of a personality......lol
This is fun as hell to watch Pete. Outstanding knowledge and love the passion. Dave's magic with the amp, and your knowledge and playing-sounds amazing. Impressive.
Pete, not the first very acuate and important Video to Edies kind of Sounds. You nailed it every time and you are a well known Van Expert
Nice job. As close as anyone could get without having Eddie’s hands. Weren’t we so fortunate to be around in the time frame to experience the life changing experience? Thanks Pete!
Thanks Pete! Good stuff.
Speaking of Duncan "Van Halen" pickups, supposedly the Custom Custom was built/designed for EVH (well that was the rumor). It's also about 14k but with an Alnico 2 magnet.
That version came later after eddie started using the floyd, The original Custom uses a ceramic magnet and eddie felt it was too brittle sounding with the floyd trem so he had seymour change the magnet to a alnico II in the Custom.
They(Custom and Custom-custom)are the same pickup only with different magnets. eddie was using the original Duncan Custom until he started installing floyds on his guitars.
Pete, you are badass. I remember the fist time I heard the VH first album when it was brand spanking new, was about 12. Changed things. Great to see you play Eddie's stuff, you have it nailed!
I think Eddie would have said, close enough Pete! ..thanks for the good work!
Such a great job Pete and Dave!!! Never gets old chasing Eddie's tone!!!👍😊🤘🤘🤘
Good looking out Mr. Thorn 🙏
Pete like the mix of tech and demo...
Oh. Is it over already?
You've done how many videos? This one is likely the best so far. And that's saying something. Great job. I learned much. Thank you.
Thank u!!!
Thanks so much Pete!
Your videos are too much fun.
Hi all ,Your sound is near dead on ! - Have you ever looked into the schematics of the Pevey 5150.When the amp first came out I got a copy of the preamp section from Pevey and in the high gain section there is a bandpass filter ( just a few resistors and capacitors) starting from the signal path to earth, brown sound filter ? hope this may give a different direction into how the sound was developed.
Regards
This video was a beautiful tribute to Eddie’s “Brown Sound”. Very thorough and technical. Extra Rad ! Thanks for sharing. 🎸
You really nailed Eddie's sound Pete. It takes a discerning ear. Thanks.
Thank you PETE, this was so much fun!
Thanks man! That makes me happy I’m glad you had fun watching it. This music and guitar playing has brought me much joy over the years and still does
The gold guitar nails it!
First time I saw and heard you play was a Namm video with Ian Fletcher Thornley. Been a fan since. This was great. EVH was a tinkerer, and one hell of a innovator. Beside one of the greatest to strap a electric twanger around his body. You nailed it. That JBL just topped it with the cherry. Thanks Dave and Pete, for giving just do.
This was so immaculate! It’s like finding a purple unicorn. Anyone capture this tone w a Kemper? People would pay big bucks for that profile I bet. The EVH Purple Unicorn profile.
Best video I have ever seen on Eddie’s tone! Killer tone brother... would love to get it in my studio lol! God bless Eddie.
Wow what an incredible job you did on this video Pete and i'm sure we all learned a lot , i did . Special thanks to Dave Friedman for his electronics knowledge and super amp mods .
Thanks Pete! That was awesome!
Amazing. I have heard people get very close but never that close. Well done.
best brown tone ive ever heard
I’m 52 Pete, when I first bought my first Marshall, a hard northern Ash has always been my body of choice to deliver the Van Halen tone, but believe it or not, Maple bodies can deliver that tone too, look at George Lynch, he plays with “A brown sound” too.
Hardrock Maple is very heavy but it provides endless sustain.
@@herbcanter2114 Definitely. I would bet that Oak would sound the same as well. The harder, heavier would will give the best “bite” and “pick-edge” like EVH liked in the old days.
Totally, 100%, Maple, and hard ash- sound really similar
@@PeteThorn And Maple is way cheaper 👍🤘🏻
This is so good Pete! Thank you for this
Ya - you pretty much nailed it, Pete. There might be a few other factors that would have a tiny impact (mastering, etc.), but this is as close as I've certainly ever heard it.
Though it's not really talked about a whole bunch, Blackmore had a LOT more influence on EVH than has probably ever been talked about. Certainly in "Light Up the Sky" - that's exactly what Blackmore was doing in "Burn". Ritchie used a ton of 2 string chords like that...
Great video, dude!
You’re 100% correct. Ritchie played very similar in “burn”. It’s not an easy riff to get the sound exactly right!
@@PeteThorn All in the thumb on the big G note! :)
I think you missed a big variable, the "slanted" humbucker ... it sounds different tonally than a straight perpendicular mounted humbucker ....
Totally awesome Pete ! That delay is just unbelievable. So 1 to 1 1/2 repeats at about what ms ? Stereo or mono ? I would love to know and try out
Do you HAVE to get the black backs or can i use green backs or cream backs? I think my wallet as a 16 year old student would much rather get one of those. Btw extremely nice video mate, keep it up
You're the best maaan
What an awesome video! Thanks Pete you are the man.
Such a great video, thanks Pete!
Thanks for all the effort you did put into this! I think you really nailed the tone! It had to be done for "science" for all us Nerds ;) hehe
This is one of your best videos. Keep it up.
Nice work gents. Great stuff. It's funny my rig I keep going back to is my FJA Mod'd5150 that I run in a wet/dry/wet stereo config. My tone is very Van Halen ish but I've never gone for that specific brown sound. When Eddie passed, I've gone down the rabbit hole a bit. Always chasing that tone!
Maybe I should track down a super lead 😂
Best recorded EVH tone I have EVER heard...and I’ve heard a LOT.
Nice job, Pete...but I would expect nothing less than a “holy crap” performance from you because that’s what you always humbly deliver.
Thank you again- I wish this information had been available 30 years ago, but that was the secret of Eddy’s tone, right?😉
hey thanks!
@@PeteThorn
Rock on,Brother!🤘🏻
I just had a crazy cool idea. You sell or give out your DI sound and then we, the customers, use it to re-amp while testing out amps or modding or whatever. Maybe someone uses a good players signal to test out their amp eq or whatever. It’s hard to dial in an amp when the input, from player, sucks lol.
0:59 I don't miss him. The man was an absolute charlatan.
Incredibly detailed Pete! Awesome 👏
Awesome Pete!
Awesome video...could you do a video of the USA evh wolfgang guitars and the MIM. To show what $4,000 difference is?
great video - no-one else gets that sound so right!
25% tone chaser, 75% awesome guitar skills. I can hear that attack in his playing
What a killer video!! Great job. You nailed it.
This is an amazing insight thank you Pete
Pete, thank you for your deep dive here. I love the detailed actual comparisons through loops and bypass switches. Fantastic!
I have one unrelated question for you that I saw you do while changing the strings that I've never seen. I think you were changing strings on the gold guitar and after you replaced the strings, you unbolted the neck, folded the neck forward slightly then reattached the neck. I thought you might have swapped the original neck for another, but you had already connected the new strings to the head stock. Was this a technique of sorts for reason? Or didn't mean a thing worth mentioning?
Your matching of Eddie's playing was amazing to see. Jim from "quest for the brown sound" recommend your video.
Eddie lives through your video here and your playing. Long live the King!
Rock on!
Awesome work! This tone…
Now, please, can you try this with a boss katana? 😂
Chance to see something similar for early Iron Maiden tone, especially "Piece of mind" ? It is one of the best dark Marshall tones ever; other examples: Trouble - Psalm 9 and Barry Goudreau (from the band Boston) solo album from 1980.