Derek - regarding compulsive behavior in animals - turns out there is considerable literature on this - for animals In Captivity, in zoos - for example, carnivorous mammals, deprived of their ability to hunt and patrol their territories, will pace back and forth seemingly endlessly. An analogy - people, deprived of of maturation experiences required for emotional advancement, 'pace' back and forth in their lives.
Does that really fall under what the Death drive refers to? I'm not sure. In a way the behavior of animals in captivity as you described seem to be easily explainable by the very captivity they are subject to. Their behavior might indicate distress, feelings of sadness, helplessness but it seems to be derived from the external negativity of the captivity. Whilst, I think, what the concept of the Death drive is trying to grapple with is how a "free" human being, subject to a kind of internal kernel negativity would actively put herself in a form of captivity. While animals never seem to spontaneously self-sabotage themselves or go against what seems to them to be their interest
Ok, but how do you overcome death drive compulsions relating to self-sabotage? I've listen to many lectures about death drive, but none of them talk about overcoming it.
Thanks for the lecture! I am wondering something, though. It seems that animals can get PTSD, something which (afaik) involves some repetition of past traumatic events. At least, animals may exhibit self-destructive behaviour due to PTSD (for example not eating enough). What would this information mean for Lacan, if anything?
Derek - regarding compulsive behavior in animals - turns out there is considerable literature on this - for animals In Captivity, in zoos - for example, carnivorous mammals, deprived of their ability to hunt and patrol their territories, will pace back and forth seemingly endlessly. An analogy - people, deprived of of maturation experiences required for emotional advancement, 'pace' back and forth in their lives.
Does that really fall under what the Death drive refers to? I'm not sure. In a way the behavior of animals in captivity as you described seem to be easily explainable by the very captivity they are subject to. Their behavior might indicate distress, feelings of sadness, helplessness but it seems to be derived from the external negativity of the captivity. Whilst, I think, what the concept of the Death drive is trying to grapple with is how a "free" human being, subject to a kind of internal kernel negativity would actively put herself in a form of captivity. While animals never seem to spontaneously self-sabotage themselves or go against what seems to them to be their interest
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Ok, but how do you overcome death drive compulsions relating to self-sabotage? I've listen to many lectures about death drive, but none of them talk about overcoming it.
Thanks for the lecture! I am wondering something, though. It seems that animals can get PTSD, something which (afaik) involves some repetition of past traumatic events. At least, animals may exhibit self-destructive behaviour due to PTSD (for example not eating enough). What would this information mean for Lacan, if anything?
Oh, see also the comment of James Cronan below.
Fucking excellent
can traumatic repetition express itself inter-generationally?