When I say "Lightning Squadron", it's because I recorded it before I realized "éclairage" actually means "lightening" which is a synonym for "scouting" lol. "Scouting" is the proper translation as written on screen. Also note for the late 1980s period at 1:09 , 4 out of France's 20 tank regiments had 4 tank squadrons rather than the normal 3, or 70 tanks rather than the normal 53. These were 1er régiment de Cuirassiers (1st Division), 6ème régiment de Dragons (1st Division), 3ème régiment de Dragons (3rd Division), and 12ème régiment de Cuirassiers (3rd Division)
While I agree on a content basis, RUclips really hates videos that do not do well. So, in order for YT not to punish the whole main channel for having underperforming videos, you want a split from a reach perspective.
It also makes it harder to negotiate for sponsorships when there are some low view videos mixed in. And I feel like with the main channel I want to put in a lot of time that may not be worth it from a financial perspective. A normal video takes at least 1-2 weeks to make, this one took two days.
1:54 interesting seeing a French vehicle with KFOR on it. I was just in Kosovo and was told the French don’t participate in KFOR rotations anymore because they deal a lot more with Africa.
Whenever going to 3 crew tanks with an autoloader comes up, we hear objections that there won't be enough people to stand watch or do maintenance, and what if the tank platoon is understrength? The VBLs are an interesting solution. The extra troops don't need to be physically in the tanks to help out on these tasks, and they can be replacement crews. The extra armor volume needed for a human loader adds several tons to each tank, too. I can see that 4 ~60 ton Abrams and a JLTV or two would be easier to move around than 4 70 ton Abrams. This is also one of the things I think is odd about the KF51 Panther. Why have a drone operator in the tank, if the EW is so bad you can't communicate with a drone carrier a few km away, how were you going to operate a drone in the first place?
Additional different kind of vehicles only make it more difficult. You can still achieve the goals for armor protection and it doesn't take 10 tons more to protect one guy more
Yeah the VBL dudes help out with maintenance. Before the integrated VBL-Leclerc platoons, Leclerc squadrons had that direct support/protection platoon with autocannon armed VABs. In addition to providing mounted and dismounted security to the tanks and train elements, helping the tanks disengage, at the time I’ve read those guys were capable of acting as replacement tank crews as well (not sure if VBL crews can do this)
"iT wOuLDn'T pRobABlY gEt mUCh vIeWS" Thats where youre wrong, because we'll still be here, either main or second channel You're gonna get views, whether you like it or not!
"I'm trying to do a new thing where I do a second channel supplemental on something I find interesting but probably won't get views" Hm, sounds like the right place to renew my request for something linked to the italian armed forces.
Very good. Just to clarify the mid to late 80's organization: the protection platoon part of each tank squadron included an infantry platoon mounted on VABs (VAB T20/13's were mostly found in recon units, this was a ad hoc modification using scavenged turrets from decommissioned AMX 13 VTT troop transports). This was the way tank units were given infantry to help clear cities or other very close terrain. Under the prior organization (pre-1984) they were mounted on AMX 10Ps or AMX 13 VTTs, with a different organization. Another tidbit: recon units (the French distinguish between "découverte" - long range recon - and "éclairage" - more traditional recon) were fairly heavily armed: part of the unit had Milans, but the rest carried 89mm AT rocket launchers (as many in a 25- odd pax recon platoon as in a 39 pax infantry platoon) and MGs mounted on their P4s or Jeeps.
@@lillustrealex8350 merci - les sources dont je dispose sont parfois fragmentaires, et il est bon d'avoir confirmation! J'aurais quelques précisions / confirmations à vous demander sur les tactiques de l'époque (milieu des années 80, si vous êtes disponible!
5:52 drones and electronic warfare will be used mostly in special units like the 13e RDP (13th Airborne Dragoon Regiment) or 1er RHP (1st Airborne Hussar Regiment). The need is less significant in so-called "regular" troops as those missions will be, if they aren’t already, assured by artillery and signals regiments.
@@BattleOrder2 interesting. I'm mostly waiting for the proper single player content, so far it seems more of a lukewarm mix of Red Dragon and SD 2. The soundtrack and presentation is great tho.
Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying these extra videos. Always interesting and always well presented. Hopefully we can get the views up on these videos too!
Really good video !! A little precision : your video only apply to French Leclerc regiments, however, there are other tank's regiment on AMX 10RC or Sagaie (light cavalry regiment) that use a different organisation with more scouting elements Thank you for your video, always the top
Thanks! And they don't have extra scouting elements anymore. Starting around 2008, they were pretty much put on the same organizations. Since 2016 both Leclerc and AMX-10RC regiments have had 3 combat squadrons (leclerc/amx-10rc), 2 recon & intervention squadrons and 1 command and logistics squadron. This issue of Cavalerie from Oct 2015 talks about it: www.unabcc.org/app/download/21411275/Cavalerie+octobre+2015.pdf Although some regiments are losing one of their recon and intervention squadrons. A member of RICM told me their regiment lost one of theirs
So sad France only has about 250 Leclercs left out of 400. The other 150 seem to be mothballed/reserved for canibalism for spare parts. At least the VBLs got upgraded to the Ultima variant with more armour and new engines but due to the weight increase are no longer amphibious capable.
Yeah my head was spinning trying to process one formulation then the next arrived. 8-) I guess the concept(s) can translate to a lot of tactical flexibility. I hope the French train extensively. Rookies need not apply.
@@kurtwicklund8901 this one of the issues generals in France complain about is, they have very high skilled very well trained troops. So yes this isn't an issue. But they lack bulk of regular line infantry due to high skill troops.
French Tank Regiment: "I am a Regiment!" US Tank Regiment: "I'm afraid, no. You are just a reinforced Battalion" French Tank Regiment: " But I identify as a regiment! U need to respect it!" US Tank Regiment: "well, no. Unit size organizations are not arbitrary. A squad cannot be a company just as a battalion cannot be a regiment."
When I say "Lightning Squadron", it's because I recorded it before I realized "éclairage" actually means "lightening" which is a synonym for "scouting" lol. "Scouting" is the proper translation as written on screen.
Also note for the late 1980s period at 1:09 , 4 out of France's 20 tank regiments had 4 tank squadrons rather than the normal 3, or 70 tanks rather than the normal 53. These were 1er régiment de Cuirassiers (1st Division), 6ème régiment de Dragons (1st Division), 3ème régiment de Dragons (3rd Division), and 12ème régiment de Cuirassiers (3rd Division)
Lol 🤣
Just a quick recommendation
You should crosslink both channels in the recommended channels page in both of them.
Fair point
OK, you win. I did join your Patreon. This is definitely the most interesting modern warfare channel out there.
@@nicolasmichon4344 Noice, thanks!
It would be interesting to see :
- Royal Marine organisation
- 9th Marine infantry brigade (French)
- South Korean Marine corps
Your idea of “lower production values” is hilarious. Your videos are always top shelf even when you TRY a to cut corners. 😂
I still don't really see why this couldn't have been a main channel video.
While I agree on a content basis, RUclips really hates videos that do not do well.
So, in order for YT not to punish the whole main channel for having underperforming videos, you want a split from a reach perspective.
It also makes it harder to negotiate for sponsorships when there are some low view videos mixed in. And I feel like with the main channel I want to put in a lot of time that may not be worth it from a financial perspective. A normal video takes at least 1-2 weeks to make, this one took two days.
@@BattleOrder2 That makes a lot of sense now that you explain it
@@BattleOrder2 took 2 days? DO MORE!!!!!!! this is the stuff we need please....
I love how our definitions of "low budget" videos vary. Loved the video, keep it up!
1:54 interesting seeing a French vehicle with KFOR on it. I was just in Kosovo and was told the French don’t participate in KFOR rotations anymore because they deal a lot more with Africa.
They began withdrawing from KFOR around 2014 I think
Whenever going to 3 crew tanks with an autoloader comes up, we hear objections that there won't be enough people to stand watch or do maintenance, and what if the tank platoon is understrength?
The VBLs are an interesting solution. The extra troops don't need to be physically in the tanks to help out on these tasks, and they can be replacement crews. The extra armor volume needed for a human loader adds several tons to each tank, too. I can see that 4 ~60 ton Abrams and a JLTV or two would be easier to move around than 4 70 ton Abrams.
This is also one of the things I think is odd about the KF51 Panther. Why have a drone operator in the tank, if the EW is so bad you can't communicate with a drone carrier a few km away, how were you going to operate a drone in the first place?
KF51 Is a concept Not a production tank.
Additional different kind of vehicles only make it more difficult.
You can still achieve the goals for armor protection and it doesn't take 10 tons more to protect one guy more
Yeah the VBL dudes help out with maintenance. Before the integrated VBL-Leclerc platoons, Leclerc squadrons had that direct support/protection platoon with autocannon armed VABs. In addition to providing mounted and dismounted security to the tanks and train elements, helping the tanks disengage, at the time I’ve read those guys were capable of acting as replacement tank crews as well (not sure if VBL crews can do this)
What is EW please?😅
@@lucaj8131 Electronic warfare
This will help me a lot when I build my historically accurate WARNO battlegroups. Also noted the WARNO OST. Thank you king, here is your crown 👑
"iT wOuLDn'T pRobABlY gEt mUCh vIeWS"
Thats where youre wrong, because we'll still be here, either main or second channel
You're gonna get views, whether you like it or not!
Pssst. Don't forget to mention us in the description. Much love, good job! :*
Added, i forgor 💀
"I'm trying to do a new thing where I do a second channel supplemental on something I find interesting but probably won't get views"
Hm, sounds like the right place to renew my request for something linked to the italian armed forces.
Very good. Just to clarify the mid to late 80's organization: the protection platoon part of each tank squadron included an infantry platoon mounted on VABs (VAB T20/13's were mostly found in recon units, this was a ad hoc modification using scavenged turrets from decommissioned AMX 13 VTT troop transports). This was the way tank units were given infantry to help clear cities or other very close terrain. Under the prior organization (pre-1984) they were mounted on AMX 10Ps or AMX 13 VTTs, with a different organization. Another tidbit: recon units (the French distinguish between "découverte" - long range recon - and "éclairage" - more traditional recon) were fairly heavily armed: part of the unit had Milans, but the rest carried 89mm AT rocket launchers (as many in a 25- odd pax recon platoon as in a 39 pax infantry platoon) and MGs mounted on their P4s or Jeeps.
Bien résumé... un ancien du PAD du 1 Ge11
@@lillustrealex8350 merci - les sources dont je dispose sont parfois fragmentaires, et il est bon d'avoir confirmation! J'aurais quelques précisions / confirmations à vous demander sur les tactiques de l'époque (milieu des années 80, si vous êtes disponible!
@@nicolasmichon4344 je répondrai volontiers mais je tiens à préciser que j'étais engagé volontaire début 2005 donc pour les années 80 ....
@@lillustrealex8350 toujours mieux que rien! L'expérience montre en plus que certains "'fondamentaux" bougent peu avec le temps!
5:52 drones and electronic warfare will be used mostly in special units like the 13e RDP (13th Airborne Dragoon Regiment) or 1er RHP (1st Airborne Hussar Regiment). The need is less significant in so-called "regular" troops as those missions will be, if they aren’t already, assured by artillery and signals regiments.
That WARNO soundtrack
I was surprised how good it was cuz I didn't really like war game red dragon's
@@BattleOrder2 interesting. I'm mostly waiting for the proper single player content, so far it seems more of a lukewarm mix of Red Dragon and SD 2.
The soundtrack and presentation is great tho.
The music, especially during the introduction, reminds me of the Bradley video music. You know the one.
Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying these extra videos. Always interesting and always well presented. Hopefully we can get the views up on these videos too!
The opening music choice is great, second to none even
Since you did the French one, could you do the Italian tank organization too please🙏
Perhaps
@@BattleOrder2 As one great Darth said it, DO IT!
Really good video !!
A little precision : your video only apply to French Leclerc regiments, however, there are other tank's regiment on AMX 10RC or Sagaie (light cavalry regiment) that use a different organisation with more scouting elements
Thank you for your video, always the top
Thanks!
And they don't have extra scouting elements anymore. Starting around 2008, they were pretty much put on the same organizations. Since 2016 both Leclerc and AMX-10RC regiments have had 3 combat squadrons (leclerc/amx-10rc), 2 recon & intervention squadrons and 1 command and logistics squadron. This issue of Cavalerie from Oct 2015 talks about it: www.unabcc.org/app/download/21411275/Cavalerie+octobre+2015.pdf
Although some regiments are losing one of their recon and intervention squadrons. A member of RICM told me their regiment lost one of theirs
@@BattleOrder2 AMX 10RC est remplacé par le Griffon!
@@marc9080Not the Griffon. The Griffon replace the VAB.
AMX10RC was replaced by Jaguar
Big ‘The midnight’ feels from the background music
"I am French, why do you think I have this outrageous accent!"
"I fart in your general Direction!"
Didn't know this channel was created. Subbed
Not today, but future M1/Redback and K2/Borsuk batalions in Poland will be interesting topić
As usual, except for very minor details you are spot on !
So sad France only has about 250 Leclercs left out of 400. The other 150 seem to be mothballed/reserved for canibalism for spare parts. At least the VBLs got upgraded to the Ultima variant with more armour and new engines but due to the weight increase are no longer amphibious capable.
Well there looking to implement the new mbt in 2030
Finally a new french Video
Thanks you from a french guy.
the WARNO music was a good pick lol
What up Fella, new subscriber
I hear some music from Warno? Love the video as always
I'd love it if you made something about the Spanish military and its structure.
can hear the "Warno" taken music
Could u do Transformations of new Armys(more Equipment based), like for Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, etc. Would be rly interesting
Love the appearance of Fellas in your video! NAFO representing 🫡
You should do a channel or program on Patreon where users submit their force organizations and you critique it.
Suggestion for background music: Mysteries- by Richard lacy and Sarah McDonald
One brigade having... one regiment. Yeah, it's actually just a regiment.
That's funny how I understand how my country’s army work with the help of your chain.^^.
Warno music :o
Interesting
French organization is very convoluted. At this point i think they are being complex on purpose.
Yeah my head was spinning trying to process one formulation then the next arrived. 8-)
I guess the concept(s) can translate to a lot of tactical flexibility. I hope the French train extensively. Rookies need not apply.
The 2 principals army of NATO with UK
@@kurtwicklund8901 this one of the issues generals in France complain about is, they have very high skilled very well trained troops. So yes this isn't an issue. But they lack bulk of regular line infantry due to high skill troops.
Are you part french? I believe your american but you seem to base a lot of your videos on both american and french subjects
The French just interest me because they do things so weirdly in comparison to the Anglosphere lol
Great video. Could you do other nato countries like uk Germany even poland ?
Here's the intro music for anyone interested ruclips.net/video/vQbZjvAxhIk/видео.html
french tank armourments are as follows. 5 tons of cheese. 1 white flag and 35 reverse gears
Warno music 😌
Complicated, as we french are always...
Dutch army would be awesome.
LOOOOVE FRANCE THINGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Hon hon hon viva la chars lol
Bruh this really should have been a Battle Order Mk. 5 video
French Tank Regiment: "I am a Regiment!"
US Tank Regiment: "I'm afraid, no. You are just a reinforced Battalion"
French Tank Regiment: " But I identify as a regiment! U need to respect it!"
US Tank Regiment: "well, no. Unit size organizations are not arbitrary. A squad cannot be a company just as a battalion cannot be a regiment."
Weeeee
Hon hon 😂
We don’t say that 😂 where is that come from ?
@@IronHoundTius French laugh memes?
France OP, pls nerf
Have they given their tanks any forward gears yet?
No, they haven't. Have your balls dropped yet?
Your lack of History is hopeless.
You've been granted the ability to grind people's gears I see
@@NDScalio 🗿🇨🇵❤️
Cringe thumbnail
I love it