It's kinda funny to hear all these 'low power' 'entry level bike' comments from pretty much all over the world, while here in India this would be considered a really powerful and aspirational bike, something that people would actually graduate to from the crop of market dominating 150cc bikes.
I know what your saying, I have a 675 Street triple which is fun to ride but I also ride a Honda Grom which is 125 cc, guess which is more fun to ride :D the smaller bike of course..
You're spot on. Owning a BMW badge is an aspirational for us Indians and this bike would be sort of a status symbol. I Guess if the pricing is right BMW would achieve that sales figure riding out of India alone.
Excellent point. This is a dream bike for many in India. BMW is a luxury brand. Common people can only dream of owning a BMW and since it's manufactured here, it will be affordable. On par with KTM Duke 390 pricing. There's a huge hype and expectation that this motorbike has created. Great vid, thanks!
When Indians themselves think India is shit what do you expect from foreigners who know only what they watch in movies? I am in India and trust me we make good stuff, we might suck at marketing but it doesn't mean we are any less and this is why BMW Motarrad chose only India to be its manufacturing outpost besides Germany
It might be "underpowered," but the CB300F could be thrown in to the mix, too! Just to see the comparison on quality, handling, and maintenance premiums!
Well hell, if you're willing to let the CB300F into the fray we are going to have to see what the Ninja 300 and the Yamaha R3 can do up against the newest member to the 300cc family. Scratch that... now we have a Yamaha MT-03, this 300cc segment is blowing up granted i live in the U.S. so it's all news here
I wasn't talking about the CBR300R, though! I just wanted to get a Naked Bike comparison going. I agree that the Ninja 300 and Yamaha R3 are superb machines, but both Yamaha and Kawasaki have yet to bring a Naked 300 to the market in the US. I know we have the 125 for Kawasaki, but I wouldn't mind a naked 300 :) I prefer the naked bike over the sport variety, but that's just me.
Same difference! most of the time the naked bikes use the same platform as the faring version. So why limit the comparison to just naked bikes. Having them all compete is still an accurate representation of which bike will come out on top and a good "reference" point. Also Yamaha has plans to release a naked 300 (MT-03) in the UK which might hit the US market. If so Kawasaki might have to follow and release a naked z300 and that sounds super exciting.
Onyx Haze yeah, I guess you're right lol either way, it'd be good to see as many of them juxtaposed so that we can see the key differences between them all, then make an informed decision on which attributes we want to live with Day-to-day. If the MT-03 comes to the US, I see major issues for this BMW. The fact that BMWs come standard with ABS helps, but the Yamaha is just too good (if you upgrade the tires).
This bike is perfect for Indian market if priced right. India has better bikes with more power in the market but what matters is, Which type of people is BMW targeting?. With TVS backing BMW in India, surely there is a positive growth as like KTM with Bajaj now. From the year 2000 - 2015 the motorcycle market was dominated by 150 CC segments in India and from 2015 India is looking for 250CC and above segment bikes, already long term BIG players in India like Hero, Honda, Yamaha, Bajaj, KTM, TVS..etc.. has introduced their 250CC above bikes and they are moving hot. Now it is BMW's turn to prove they too can play a major role in Indian two wheeler market. Personally still I own a 125 CC Hero Honda Super splendor for 10 years now and looking for an upgrade something like this! (A comfortable and powerful commuter and for occasional long touring)
Does it stand a chance in front of the KTM 390 17? Why don't u do a comparison video and let us know all about the two bikes? Or any other bike in that range for that matter.
Thanks! At 75, I'm riding every day a 2010 192 Kg Yamaha 660cc but I think that, if I'm still in shape when I reach 80, this baby could well be my last bike with its 2 cm lower seat & its ready to go 164 Kg weight i.e. 28kg less :)
I want this bike, it’ll be my first. I’d like to turn it into a little scrambler when I’m ready to upgrade in a season or two. That or get the 310GS in the first place.
I have one on order and yes, I am a beginner. As for its competition ....oh I'd say it's the Honda CB300F and the KTM 390 Duke (naked upright bikes). I think Kawasaki will have a new 300cc bike for 2017 too.
THIS VIDEO does say "in Asia this can be an aspirational bike.." First time I heard it, North America and Europe label it beginners bike. I had a kawasaki KLR 650 with the same HP and it did fine for 11 years and close to 60 k miles, but a little bigger ... I hope I can own one of this, they are at the same price as other 300 from Honda and Yamaha in Mexico (my country) but with more power.
"It's the smallest-engined bike they've ever built "- try searching for BMW R25, R26 and R27. (250cc singles). How can people who know bugger all about bikes get jobs as bike journalists?
Are you really going to argue about a point like that? Just because we are bike journalists do we need, or are we expected, to know the back catalogue of every single manufacturer off by heart? We were, of course, talking about the modern era of BMWs. Do you know every single historical aspect of the job you do?
I am sure we don't expect you to memorize every bike in every manufacturers line but when you pull out a fact like that, you can't complain when someone calls you on it. Thanks for the video.
well- I wasn't arguing, just pointing something out. I'm not a bike journalist, just an enthusiast, and I know BMW made small singles. I would expect a journalist to either know, or check. - Google works pretty well. I know you were referring to recent bikes, but you didn't say "recently" or "current line up", did you?. I concede that I'm being picky, but if you say things like "honda invented four valve heads" I'm going to call you on it, not to snipe at you, but to inform your audience too. Cheers-
@deepak sharma It has Automatic Headlamp On (AHO), the bike equivalent of DRL in cars. This feature is mandatory in Europe etc, and has been made so in India too from April 2017. Not only this bike, EVERY bike has AHO. Wait a few months, and ABS will be a mandatory feature too. bah.
I would actually not mind having this as a daily commuter, with a superbike for weekends etc.. :) Anything over R70 000 will make this bike fail in South Africa though...
I am surprised to apache s Handel bar grips and foot pegs....😁 no wonder it's made my tvs .... wrong move BMW honestly.... I don't want this bike to remind me of apache when it this machine out for ride....
Abhijit Nayak Kindly get over your slave mentality and have some respect for your country and people trying to make things better. what has been the contribution by shits like you ?
I'd say ALL motorcycles are over-priced for what you get, but $5,000 USD is pretty much the bottom price for a new street bike these days. Best to wait until a "Like New" one ends up back at dealership because the new rider got a scare riding it. Happens all the time at my local dealership; bikes with less than 200-300 miles are sold back and then priced $400-$500+ less than original cost.
Agree with you,not just buying price but service parts or service as such in dealerships,as well.But for younger buyers buying a bike is more emotional and less rational decision so this moment is used all across a broad
Its cheap indian bike with label of BMW. TVS is a cheap indian brand who has history of building only low quality cheap bikes for india and every indian knows that.
Do you really think BMW would risk its strong brand reputation with a poorly-built bike? Just because it's built in India, doesn't mean that BMW has relinquished all quality control. It's not like they gave the plans to TVS and said; here, build this and when you've finished, send them out to the world. No, we don't need to check them! This is exactly the same as Honda, Triumph, KTM, etc building bikes in India and the Far East. Don't hear you complaining about those...
TVS didn't go to BMW... they came to TVS India... u think u are smarter than a company like BMW???? the KTM's everyone raves about are manufactured in India...so think twice before calling India cheap.
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It's kinda funny to hear all these 'low power' 'entry level bike' comments from pretty much all over the world, while here in India this would be considered a really powerful and aspirational bike, something that people would actually graduate to from the crop of market dominating 150cc bikes.
Satya BHAN indian road are unique every thing changes on our road....😉😉
Have you even seen a American? If you have then you know that if they sat on one of these 300cc bikes it would be squashed like a tomato :D
+Manny Echaluce but still.. quarter litre bikes can be pretty fun.. check out ktm's sometime.. ;)
I know what your saying, I have a 675 Street triple which is fun to ride but I also ride a Honda Grom which is 125 cc, guess which is more fun to ride :D the smaller bike of course..
here in the philippines, 125cc are more common. you can feel when you guys have been here.. 300cc is also considered powerful
You're spot on. Owning a BMW badge is an aspirational for us Indians and this bike would be sort of a status symbol. I Guess if the pricing is right BMW would achieve that sales figure riding out of India alone.
"Dodgy road surfaces" rides on the nicest road I've ever seen (from rural Australia)
Excellent point. This is a dream bike for many in India. BMW is a luxury brand. Common people can only dream of owning a BMW and since it's manufactured here, it will be affordable. On par with KTM Duke 390 pricing. There's a huge hype and expectation that this motorbike has created.
Great vid, thanks!
Deep Tech Underground after sales?
Deep Tech Underground a lot of people will prefer this over the duke 390 just because of the brand value
malik bagwala bhai isme drl hai?
why didn't they name it 313, would have sounded cooler.
When Indians themselves think India is shit what do you expect from foreigners who know only what they watch in movies? I am in India and trust me we make good stuff, we might suck at marketing but it doesn't mean we are any less and this is why BMW Motarrad chose only India to be its manufacturing outpost besides Germany
Can't wait to see the BMW 310 vs the new Duke 390! I can say I'm already willing to buy either.
It might be "underpowered," but the CB300F could be thrown in to the mix, too! Just to see the comparison on quality, handling, and maintenance premiums!
Well hell, if you're willing to let the CB300F into the fray we are going to have to see what the Ninja 300 and the Yamaha R3 can do up against the newest member to the 300cc family.
Scratch that... now we have a Yamaha MT-03, this 300cc segment is blowing up granted i live in the U.S. so it's all news here
I wasn't talking about the CBR300R, though! I just wanted to get a Naked Bike comparison going. I agree that the Ninja 300 and Yamaha R3 are superb machines, but both Yamaha and Kawasaki have yet to bring a Naked 300 to the market in the US. I know we have the 125 for Kawasaki, but I wouldn't mind a naked 300 :) I prefer the naked bike over the sport variety, but that's just me.
Same difference! most of the time the naked bikes use the same platform as the faring version. So why limit the comparison to just naked bikes. Having them all compete is still an accurate representation of which bike will come out on top and a good "reference" point. Also Yamaha has plans to release a naked 300 (MT-03) in the UK which might hit the US market. If so Kawasaki might have to follow and release a naked z300 and that sounds super exciting.
Onyx Haze yeah, I guess you're right lol either way, it'd be good to see as many of them juxtaposed so that we can see the key differences between them all, then make an informed decision on which attributes we want to live with Day-to-day. If the MT-03 comes to the US, I see major issues for this BMW. The fact that BMWs come standard with ABS helps, but the Yamaha is just too good (if you upgrade the tires).
wonderful bike i should say, well made, it impressed me for the quality make and design, i didn't Expert to be a 300cc when i saw it!
Coming from K1200LT this is a absolute blast to ride. At 700km , waiting for 1000, then we crank
This bike is perfect for Indian market if priced right. India has better bikes with more power in the market but what matters is, Which type of people is BMW targeting?. With TVS backing BMW in India, surely there is a positive growth as like KTM with Bajaj now. From the year 2000 - 2015 the motorcycle market was dominated by 150 CC segments in India and from 2015 India is looking for 250CC and above segment bikes, already long term BIG players in India like Hero, Honda, Yamaha, Bajaj, KTM, TVS..etc.. has introduced their 250CC above bikes and they are moving hot. Now it is BMW's turn to prove they too can play a major role in Indian two wheeler market.
Personally still I own a 125 CC Hero Honda Super splendor for 10 years now and looking for an upgrade something like this! (A comfortable and powerful commuter and for occasional long touring)
I would love this bike in a 500cc or 650cc twin flavour.
Does it stand a chance in front of the KTM 390 17?
Why don't u do a comparison video and let us know all about the two bikes? Or any other bike in that range for that matter.
Thanks! At 75, I'm riding every day a 2010 192 Kg Yamaha 660cc but I think that, if I'm still in shape when I reach 80, this baby could well be my last bike with its 2 cm lower seat & its ready to go 164 Kg weight i.e. 28kg less :)
Nice review, always liked the way you guys present.
Is there a place for leg guards?
when the bike will lunch in indian market??????
This is a real good review quite detailed and with various aspects of the bike discussed in an interesting manner
Shall i wait for this to launch in India or shall i go for KTM 390 2017?
Is there any chance of covered model like RC 390 in the same price
Good to have ya back!
Mat, I weigh 198lbs with 30 inch inseam, would I fit on this bike?
A 350 boxer engine would have been awesome.
Launch date in India...???
I want this bike, it’ll be my first. I’d like to turn it into a little scrambler when I’m ready to upgrade in a season or two. That or get the 310GS in the first place.
Same here. I’m wanting to change out the headlight for a round halo led projector.
I will buy this one...or the akula.. waiting for the reviews.
I recon the smallest efficient funster I'd go with would be a Duke 390 in singles, and a CB500F in twins.
I have one on order and yes, I am a beginner. As for its competition ....oh I'd say it's the Honda CB300F and the KTM 390 Duke (naked upright bikes). I think Kawasaki will have a new 300cc bike for 2017 too.
Would it be suitable for a tall rider?
What is the top speed that it can reach?
Is this Grom SIze or KTM 390 size?
Still they have not released it in India,no possible reason???
Is this steel Body or Fibre??
THIS VIDEO does say "in Asia this can be an aspirational bike.." First time I heard it, North America and Europe label it beginners bike. I had a kawasaki KLR 650 with the same HP and it did fine for 11 years and close to 60 k miles, but a little bigger ... I hope I can own one of this, they are at the same price as other 300 from Honda and Yamaha in Mexico (my country) but with more power.
Not a BMW fan personally, nor a fan of this one. Enjoyed the programme though - it's been a while in the coming 😉 Cheers both
Shares same parts bin with TVS Apache RTR 200 and TVS akula 310
Nice production!
What about the gs650?
I want the lightweight enduro version of that faster: the G310GS
So German prices for an Indian bike?
I've put 30k on a cbr 250 riding back and forth to work the last 3 years in the U.S.
Hope that bodes well for my CBR, don't mention the crank shaft, 300 ..
Ordered mine today..get delivery on Sat
"It's the smallest-engined bike they've ever built "- try searching for BMW R25, R26 and R27. (250cc singles). How can people who know bugger all about bikes get jobs as bike journalists?
Are you really going to argue about a point like that? Just because we are bike journalists do we need, or are we expected, to know the back catalogue of every single manufacturer off by heart? We were, of course, talking about the modern era of BMWs. Do you know every single historical aspect of the job you do?
I am sure we don't expect you to memorize every bike in every manufacturers line but when you pull out a fact like that, you can't complain when someone calls you on it. Thanks for the video.
well- I wasn't arguing, just pointing something out. I'm not a bike journalist, just an enthusiast, and I know BMW made small singles. I would expect a journalist to either know, or check. - Google works pretty well. I know you were referring to recent bikes, but you didn't say "recently" or "current line up", did you?. I concede that I'm being picky, but if you say things like "honda invented four valve heads" I'm going to call you on it, not to snipe at you, but to inform your audience too. Cheers-
biffa ozzie then go start your own channel with better content.
biffa ozzie yup true
are you guys talking about quality just because it is made in India? are you stereotyping?
so Borat is working at BMW now?
Price is known for a long a long time... Slightly above 5K EUR in Europe.
Thks
Yes please, do that test!
What helmet is Mat wearing?
AkaAndyKnuckles shark
does it have DRL
@deepak sharma It has Automatic Headlamp On (AHO), the bike equivalent of DRL in cars. This feature is mandatory in Europe etc, and has been made so in India too from April 2017. Not only this bike, EVERY bike has AHO. Wait a few months, and ABS will be a mandatory feature too. bah.
Srinath Kadiam okay brother thanks...but it already has abs ..as its mandatory drls too in india..than how can they launch bike without drls?
I live in the UK,and who doesnt want an affordable BMW?It looks very KTM like.....No brainer to be honest.
Too loud background music
I did not know that Liam Neeson had a German accent 😂
I am dieing to see it here in India... I am sure that BMW will over achieve the target sale.
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needs 45 HP to get ppl off the KTM 390 and the MT03
why would you steal the soundtrack from a canadian tv program!
I would actually not mind having this as a daily commuter, with a superbike for weekends etc.. :) Anything over R70 000 will make this bike fail in South Africa though...
¨Smallest Bike BMW ever made.¨ really? i better tell my friend that his R27 just turned into a Pumpkin.
it was designed with the asian market in mind
BMW made 250’s many years ago so it’s not the smallest bike they’ve ever made
No thanks I will keep my kawasaki 2016 ER6N.Fantastic naked bike.
It looks like the Honda CB500f / RC390
They should've given it 400cc for the price.
Yamaha MT-03. Any time.
I didn't know Frank Zappa is alive.
G310R vs 390 Duke
That thin tire ain't gonna do to well
150 is thick enough for such a bike. Whatever more would be worse in curves.
I am surprised to apache s Handel bar grips and foot pegs....😁 no wonder it's made my tvs .... wrong move BMW honestly.... I don't want this bike to remind me of apache when it this machine out for ride....
ktm 390 anyday
The fuck is wrong with being indian? Get your shit outta here before i roast your dumb ass
Maxim 88 you sound the most butt hurt than anyone I could find
A status symbol in India? While no one considers this BMW as a status symbol in Vietnam. India is poorer than Vietnam I guess!? Hilarious.
KTM 390 will dance around in circles around this crap.
MidLife Indian Biker heard about brandvalue ??
KTM 390 has poor build quality and poor fit and finish.
ak b Yep...Crap is crap...no matter what the "Brand"..
MidLife Indian Biker Typically Indian mentality. Try to respect a Bmw and get over shit Bajaj Ktm auto rickshaw bikes.
Abhijit Nayak Kindly get over your slave mentality and have some respect for your country and people trying to make things better. what has been the contribution by shits like you ?
BMW should bring it to india
Why can't Brits pronounce Los Angeles correctly? It's not like you haven't heard Americans say it 1000x before.
in fact "Americans"(USA citizens) pronounce it incorrectly too, because it's an spanish name, and you pronunce it in an english way
Slorm Raptor right if we pronounced it with a Spanish accent we wouldn't be saying it in an American English, as opposed to Spanish.
the kawasaki 300 twin is a better bike to ride though
2X the price in India
Kawasaki Z650 seems more worth it
It's not the smallest bmw
looks like a duke，lol
Far overpriced-this "just 70k"is pure marketing BS
Kawasaki Z300 is the main competitor and sells for $5400 USD in UK. The G310R is $5340 USD in UK and $4750 USD in U.S.
Same logic apply on Kawasaki-no excuses here...I personally like BMW,riding K1300GT,but to much is to much
I'd say ALL motorcycles are over-priced for what you get, but $5,000 USD is pretty much the bottom price for a new street bike these days. Best to wait until a "Like New" one ends up back at dealership because the new rider got a scare riding it. Happens all the time at my local dealership; bikes with less than 200-300 miles are sold back and then priced $400-$500+ less than original cost.
Agree with you,not just buying price but service parts or service as such in dealerships,as well.But for younger buyers buying a bike is more emotional and less rational decision so this moment is used all across a broad
India is a diff ballgame.... KTM 390 = 2,25,000 BMW = Similar to KTM / 2,75,000 BUT Ninja 300 = 3,75,000
Horrible bike with lack of power. But the price is good.
yamaha mt03 :D :D
BMW SUCKS AND IS OVER PRICED.
It's an engine. It has a piston that goes up and down. It moves a wheel. Who cares who makes it so long as it works well and lasts.
Its cheap indian bike with label of BMW. TVS is a cheap indian brand who has history of building only low quality cheap bikes for india and every indian knows that.
Do you really think BMW would risk its strong brand reputation with a poorly-built bike? Just because it's built in India, doesn't mean that BMW has relinquished all quality control. It's not like they gave the plans to TVS and said; here, build this and when you've finished, send them out to the world. No, we don't need to check them! This is exactly the same as Honda, Triumph, KTM, etc building bikes in India and the Far East. Don't hear you complaining about those...
True story bro, it is TVS Luna in BMW colours. I once even saw them putting BMW stickers on my neighbour's Luna, it's insane.
TL;DR get a life dude.
TVS didn't go to BMW... they came to TVS India... u think u are smarter than a company like BMW????
the KTM's everyone raves about are manufactured in India...so think twice before calling India cheap.