YEAH, when our traitor president left 81 BILLION dollars of military equipment in Afghanistan and now sending money over there to support the Afghanistan women that lost their husbands in the war. So does that answer your question? What a big fuck up that was! FKH & her supporters Too!
The difference in sound from my 11.5" to one of my match barrel 20" rifles running 77gr OTBTM on a steel gong at 500yd is incredible. The 11.5" is a _ding!_ while the 20" is a _THWACK!_
@@TheFishE77Official 20 inch with 77 grains is punching way above its weight. Not the best in CQB or at 800+ yards but quite excellent everywhere between.
The burn marks are caused when the gel comes backs together compressing the air so fast it creates heat and a small explosion. So the bigger the temporary expansion cavity the bigger the flash.
@@mariovillicana6290 5.56 and 7.62x51 wounds are identical despite x51 having far more energy, except at close range where 5.56 actually does more damage than 7.62. This is because the bullet mechanism of the 5.56 is superior due to its higher velocity and lighter jacket construction. 7.62 is primarily against barriers as the mass means less energy loss over distance. Beyond 300 yards though, neither will fragment and so both produce the exact same wound cavity.
Black Hills 77g TMK was my personal gold standard for a lot of years .and still is for the most part . TMK is a phenomenal all around bullet for Precsion and or Terminal. Now that AAC makes 70g TSX load in 556n thats my gold standard for HD / SD . Picked up 500 rounds on sale for 50 cents a round . AAC 556N 70G TSX IMO is the absolute best for terminal performance. Barnes Triple Shock bullets are hard hotting round no 2 ways about it . Hornady CX / GMX and Nosler E-Tip are some other all copper bullets that smack sucker hard.. All in all 77g TMK and 70g TSX are my personal favorites period .. BTW i did this comment before i watched the video lol..
I mainly use 13.7" 556N . 77G TMK is my personal favorite Bullet for Precsion. 77g TMK also has exceptional terminal Performance. If you want an awesome dual purpose bullet that can be used for precision and good terminal Performance I highly recommend Sierra Bullets ( SMK , TMK and OTM ).. AAC 70G TSX is for HD / SD and is IMO the gold standard for soft tissue using 556n . Barnes is who makes TSX / TTSX Bullets . It's all copper monolithic bullet . Another great alternative to TSX / TTSX is Hornady CX / GMX and Nosler E-Tip . They are also monolithic bullet. These bullets were designed for taking large game and to smack that game as hard as possible with all copper design..
@@seanwhite304 Are those 70g AAC rounds g2g in your experience with them? I personally haven't used their ammo but sounded like they were having issues with fragmentation or shearing and causing baffle strikes and poor accuracy? It could've just been their 55g though if it were even true
@chadsamuelson498 I've only used AAC 70G TSX and AAC 75G BTHP MATCH Both are obviously 556N chamberings . 70g TSX bullet is made by Barnes and 75g BTHP Match Bullet is made by Hornady . I've shot close to 1.2k of the 75g BTHP Match and have nothing but good things to say . I have not shot 75G BTHP MATCH Suppressed because I only use that ammo for Long range stages at 2Gub Matches . I usually am not running a Can at any LR 2Gun Match / Stage.. The 70g TSX I've shot little over 300 rounds thru my Go too rigs which are suppressed . Both those AAC ammo I've used have been GTG . Me personally I think accuracy is hyped up way too much . I have 0 issues hitting 10" at 100Y to 450Y with 75g BTHP Match. That's more than accurate enough for what I need it for .
I ran a test with AAC 77gr OTM, and their SMK and TMK loadings, as well as Black Hills D556N9 (77 SMK) and D556N19 (77 TMK). I’m running a Green Mountain 1:6 twist 18” with rifle length gas, SA gas block and a Griffin RECCE5. The AAC grouped far and away better than the Black Hills, with a lower SD as well. I could not, for the life of me, get groups better than 1.75” at 100yd with either of the BH, while the AAC was stacking consistently within the size of nickel, all touching each other or just making one ragged hole. Not sure if the ammo didn’t like the barrel but I was thoroughly unimpressed given the exorbitant cost per round, while AAC has earned my business. Took the 5.56 77gr OTM out to 1000 yards recently with consistent hits, and at less than half the cost of BH. Everyone’s setup is different, and seeing what flavor of ammo your gun likes best is always paramount to success.
We've had a few boxes of a1 running big field ops, I was told we weren't really supposed to run it in the M27 IAR, they are loaded hot and cause stress on the bolt lugs and erode the feed ramp with the exposed steel. Guess they usually gave it to the scout spotters for their m4s.
@@Nemesis_0311 The early lots of 855a1 were stupid hot, but the current production stuff isn't all that much hotter than other 5.55 loads, the propellant has just been optimized to get the most out of it in a 14.5in barrel
@@velvoc5113It doesn't cut the barrel life in half, that was just data from some of the early developmental versions If it's shredding the rear of your barrel extension, tell your armorer they need to give you the right mags. Gen3 PMags or metal mags with the newest follower fix the issue with the tip dragging while it feeds
Remember, ballistic gel is not the same as actual flesh. Speaking from experience, 55gr lead core opens up as soon as it smacks the real deal, especially when it hits bone, and especially from a 20 inch
Thanks for the excellent video. I use Speer Gold Dots 62gr or 75gr, or I use Barnes 70gr TSX, or if I can get them I use Federal 62gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 62gr FBI rounds, for war/defense rounds because they are excellent all around rounds and do everything well. You can bet your life on any of these rounds.
I read your question and my mind went right to shot in the stomach after eating wings cooked in peanut oil.... Yes big flash I'm sure. @@LastAmericanOutlaw
@@LastAmericanOutlaw100%. Its why bullet wounds sometimes pour smoke immediately after. Ive shot numerous hogs under thermal and you can absolutely see the smoke. Its pretty wild.
It doesn't simulate gelatin as accurately, but from what I have seen it simulates real tissue more accurately than gelatin. This is because clear ballistic is more flexible. This means you are less likely to get expansion and fragmentation which leads to deeper penetration. This is actually more common which makes it a better test for bullet mechanism reliability. But as MTMILITAMAN noted, neither gels are designed to be a 1:1 comparison as the depth is also supposed to account for skin elasticity and bone resistance. Gels are only intended to be compared against itself.
It depends on what you're using it for. If you're putting it in a home defense rifle, then your likelihood of needing more than 5 rounds in the first place is minimal. Even in a theoretical SHTF situation, a 210 rd combat loadout is *more* than sufficient. In a "The world is ending, woops" scenario, assuming you survived at all, you'd probably be dead at the hands of anything you might be shooting by the time you go through 800 rds out of a fighting rifle. If you're just training at the range, 100%, get a bunch of M193. But for everything else, get a stock of good ammo that you'll keep and replace every 5-10 years.
@@JARG55gr for target’s, OTM/HPBT/TMK for defense. Doesn’t matter how many rounds you have stocked up if it takes half a mag to put down the threat vs 3-5 MAYBE. Basically making your stock pile equal to half of what you’d need for an actual self defense round. Just go read/watch stories from the cool guys who participated in OIF/OAF, and see how they feel about 55’s and 62’s. They suck. Only useful if you’re shooting through walls, cars, etc. And it’s insane to watch a video of ballistics on a 55gr and still don’t see a reason to switch to actual select defense rounds. All your lil 55gr ball ammo is gonna do is zip right through the target. So hope you’d never have to face multiple dirt bags with your 55gr because using 1 whole mags+ for 2 shit heads is gonna be fun(not). It’s ok to admit your choice is wrong, and it’s ok to learn and change. But it’s childish to just cop and TRY to find reasons to justify your unlearned mistake. There’s a reason why SOF’s run OTM(HPBT but worded different to make lawyers happy) And I’d also like to see you hump around 10k+ rounds. Lol. You basically have 10k+ rounds for the next person to pick up for free. Rule of thumb is 2k rounds per rifle, with enough mags for the total. Only time you’d need more than 2k rounds is 2k rounds of target loads and if you hit the range often. I’d sell 8k+ of that, and buy actually defense rounds and keep the rest for the range since that’s actually what it’s for. And literally only takes like 5-10 mins and half a mag to rezero for new grain weight 😂
I love the Barns TSX 70gr for deer hunting. I reload my rounds and I am using my 20" upper receiver. Now that you did this video it's going to be hard to find the 70gr bullet to reload because everyone wants to be a SEAL team 6 guy now. 😎 Awesome video and I only use Noveske barrels and BCG's.
Going to try for my first deer this season and bought a box of these after reading numerous people say the same. Using my 18" SPR upper - I want as much velocity as possible. Something like an 11.5" seems iffy.
I am so glad to see people using TSX in 5.56 for deer hunting. Way too many fuds will say .223 is too small for deer but they are 100% wrong. TSX rounds are phenomenal. Shot placement is still everything but as I said to another person in the comments I know a guy who has taken 9 bucks with TSX bullets, not one made it past 30yards. I have seen deer run further than that hit by 450 bushmaster...
The “burning” you’re seeing is explosive compression. It’s the air inside the wound channel compressing so fast that it ignites. It’s not caused by the bullet, but the violent collapse of wound cavity
Black Hills 77 gr TMK is the king for pure terminal performance and BC. Terrible barrier penetration however so probably not considered for a military round. Might not be an issue for home defense depending on your criteria…
I’m still getting very close to 3kfps out of a 16in with 23/24 head stamps. They are tuned down from my 12-14 years though but still spicy compared to green tip. Iv just been buying the projectiles lately. I got them just above 3200fps
@@tylerreis7627 the ammo you see on youtube is issued ammo. doesnt matter the channel you see it on. the velocity's are near identical to m855. the first major runs were rediciously hot. but reports made it back and they dialed it down. there is no civilian sales of m855a1. if you see it for sale, "someone got it somehow".
All 3 options, "55g,62g, 75g" from Speer is by far the most terminally efficient 5.56 cartridge on the market. The federal 62g TBBC is equally efficient, "FBI loading". I live on a ranch and we get a ton of large feral hogs and coyotes. I've used practically every 5.56 cartridge from 5 feet to 500 yards and no cartridge even comes close to how efficient Speer and federals bonded softpoints are.
@@TerminalM193 I agree with you completely. I use Speer Gold Dot for white tail hunt too, it's fantastic. The fact that was just out there verifying my zero on my 16-in today, opening day is next week! 🇺🇸
@@KevinHuff23 my brother 55 grain will stabilize in a 10.5 in without any problem whatsoever. However since you asked I am using a 1:8 Barrel in both my 10.5 and my 16-inch guns.
@@KevinHuff23 Twist rate has very little to do with stabilizing and that FUD lore has been perpetuated for far too long. As long as you're using the "big 3" twist rates for the caliber which are 1:9/8/7 and use bullets within the 55g-77g range then you're going to have near identical accuracy all the way out to 600 yards. There's many other important factors in play before twist rate even begins to interfere with accuracy. I've personally tested this and there's also some great videos here on RUclips that help dispel the myth.
Id like to imagine every single one of these gel blocks represents a shot from one side of a rib cage width wise to another. Not every engagement is head on. All of these would shart in your cheerios
The 55gr going through more before expanding is assuming it hits nothing solid along the way also. Also 55gr BTHP is going to open up sooner than FMJ obviously, IDK which they're using here.
@misterfister7262 fbi always puts fabric in front of ballistics gel when testing. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought ballistic gel was a different consistency than the clear gel also. I'm not simping for 55gr, just factors to consider for all weights and compositions.
@@zlong7997 yeah I forgot about the fabric 🤦♂️ idk either, I'm simping for 55 gr because I'm a poor 😂 I'm like.. 51% sure the first 4 inches represent skin but I could totally be wrong
i literally enjoy every moment of this video, not just the rifle itself but the rounds as well, a very educational video, hopefully one day i would own a rifle like this one, and pick the right rounds
M855 AND M855A1 are both Armor Penetrating rounds. They are just LIGHT Armor Penetrating. Hence the full designation being M855/A1 LAP. My home defense round is currently a 77Gr OTM. I have 62Gr green tips for my general purpose round. 55gr is great for messing around with because it is relatively cheap. I'd like to do some testing with Hornady Black 75Gr soft points.
That 55gr wouldnt have opened up after the body. Gel is not the same as flesh, its not a 1 to 1. Its kinda like dynos for cars. Its a tool for comparison purposes. I use 55gr specifically for coyotes, and it fragments in them 99% of the time. I dont think your buddy has a smaller torso than the coyotes we have in central tx lol
The 55gr round was designed to be fired out of a 20” barrel to achieve its maximum effectiveness. Keep that in mind when choosing this round in situations where life and liberty are on the line. If you’re not sending it from a 20” barrel there are better choices than the 55gr pill.
Not saying M193 isn't good, but also this isn't a 20" A1. M193 out of 10.3/10.5 really isn't very consistent and the 'optimal range' is pretty short. Plus, the cost of better ammo is insignificant if you have to defend yourself with it. Worst case if your budget is SUPER low, just buy a box of the good stuff, use 5 rds to confirm zero/function, then load the rest 15 rounds on top of 15 rounds of M193.
Naturally, after confirming your particular bangstick will cycle said rounds. 😁 Some of them are VERY picky, like a 6 year old that hates everything except macaroni and hotdogs. I had an Armalite that was great with any brass case fmj up to 77gr. But add any other kind of tip.. forget it. Steel case, nope. The only exception being that it would cycle that lightweight frangible stuff really well. Point is… don’t trust ANY of it without running at least a few mags worth through it to see if it’s going to choke.
Yes, the ttsx and the TSX are fantastic bullets but you have to keep the velocity up they work the best above $2,200 ft per second below that you will have expansion problems
Worth pointing out that distance changes the equation here massively. What is great in CQB isn't necessarily the best at 500 yards or even 200 different bullets can have very different terminal effect at lower velocities the 77 match with its thin jacket and soft lead is known for fragmenting out at ranges that a 55grain or m855 would just leave a tiny hole in. Also missing a big reason the Barns TSX is so good, it will not only expand well but it also penetrates much deeper than any lead core, it's why almost all hunters are using solid copper bullets these days. On top of that it penetrates light cover far better too such as glass and sheet metal. Copper is just great stuff, the only downside of monolithic copper bullets is they are about the most expensive option, the other downside is copper bullets are velocity dependent so is good as they are I would wager a 77grain otm or tmk will out perform the tsx at long range. IMO: TSX would be just about the best all purpose bullet for inside 200 yards, but once that velocity drops it won't expand, so if you have a 20in rifle and a scope and want to shoot long range, stick to the 77grain option. Alternatively one additional option for home defense ranges is a deep hollow point like a V-max bullet, Hornady TAP. These are essentially varmint hunting frangible bullets, they have just about the most violent expansion and fragmentation of any .223/5.56 round, downside being they do not perform well at all against cover, and they don't penetrate too deep. However for home defense ranges they can actually be devastating, many SWAT teams use this option.
My only critique is reveling the barrel length / twist of the barrel. When it comes to ballistics comparisons in both barrels and bed, inches can matter.
20" barrel makes most ammo duty grade but a 35gr from a 20" barrel and a custom tip as the ballistic tip is easily removable makes something phenomenal or so I've been told
That's easy... Bonded softpoint without question, preferably the Federal 62g TBBC but the Speer Gold Dot is equally efficient. This cartridge has a very wide window of velocity where it's terminally devastating so it can be used from a 10" to 24" barrel effectively. The fbi currently uses the federal TBBC.
Tbbc has the ballistic coefficient of a brick though. Same rifle that I'd print 2 moa groups with federal fusion msr made two 5 shot groups of 6 moa with tbbc.
@@mghegotagun You HAD to of either gotten a bad batch or the shorter seated bullet just doesn't play nice with your barrel due to it having a further distance to reach the barrel on ignition, "I've seen this discussed before in a few forums". In my FN CHF I'm able to get right around 2moa while my 16.1" LWRC M6 DI it's right under 3moa.
@@TerminalM193 I'll grant it's possible it was the load itself. It wasn't the federal premium law enforcement 223 load. It was ND55664 white box from bereli. I think they were labeled "not for duty use". QC was probably all over the place.
It would be cool to catch all of the ammo in the gel. Yet, my own experience, the M855 suffices for basic combat and the Mk-262 77 gr works if you hit repeatedly. I’ve seen guys get back up after hit with both. I got thr M855-A1 and the Mk-318 ammo myself. After 8 combat tours, I learned a lot about ammo and ballistics.
I have LONG used a Barnes 70gr TSX 5.56 round from my Sionics 11.5". Many 300+ pound hogs have been taken, DRT, with that round. It's peerless from SBR's. It's also barrier blind and...in my gun, it's just as accurate as BH 77gr SMK and TSMK.
I load 40gr ballistic tips for my AR pistols and for turning varmints into mist. So far its been solid at going through 1 car door but not out the other side so it's semi barrier blind and when it hits any type of meat target it goes about 10" deep, is totally mushroomed open- seems like it'd be an excellent pistol length home defense round for 2 legged vermin
Got bored and bought a box of 40 for coyote clearing on grandpas ranch. Out of a 16.1" HK upper these thing rip at 3962 fps and will nearly rip a full grown coyote in half. However, I've had stability issues past 360 yrd. The group opens up about an inch or more consistently at that range. I believe a 1/9 barrel would fix it but haven't tested it yet
@@Zel_eo A flatwire buffer spring for more consistent chambering could also fix the issue. HK rifles tend to be overgassed & rebound to chamber hard(which can flat spot the bullet on the feed ramp). The SI carbine flatwire spring is $22 pretty cheap upgrade if you have a 416 upper. Regardless unlikely to be the twist rate as 40grain all copper bullet is very similar in dimensions to a 55grain FMJ. Would definitely ask the manufacturer as they have the load testing data though.
as a stander conventional guy. The M855A1 was a standard round at every range I went to not just for the special boys. Not saying it’s a bad round just saying it wasn’t exclusive to just the crew he named.
You gotta add some varmint hunting ammo a lot of guys that are using 223 are using it to shoot varmints Like Hornady Vmax ammo or Nosler varmageddon A lot of these rounds are designed for extreme violent expansion
C.o.p hollow points are the best self defense in warm weather if you dont need to penetrate body armor. I think they are far superior for transferring energy and hydrostatic shock. I wouldnt be using it in the winter when it would have to go through thick clothing. I love 90gr cop 9mm hollowpoints.
I can't speak for the Army or the Marine's, but the Navy Seals that train in my area are still using mostly M855 green tips. Haven't seen hardly any of the M855A1.
Well i have a shit load of green tip and its a pain in the ass to find other options where im from in Illinois so thats what im gonna use!!! I can find 55 grain target ammo pretty easily as well!!!
As a civilian you have the ability to use FAR superior ammunition, which is basically any cup and core/ bonded/ or partioned SOFT POINT, if your using 556 for self defense the only military type ammo you should even consider is 77gr otm aside from that ANY soft point bullet is FAR SUPERIOR at transferring energy in a meaningful way into live targets.
@mghegotagun I don't know every factory loading? And my entire point was that an expanding bullet is always superior against live targets than any fmj, or the otm, which isn't designed to reliably fragment or expand, they tend to yaw and break apart more than anything. A 55gr will typically do the same thing as long as it's velocity on impact is high enough, still not nearly effective as a bulle that will reliably expand and transfer its energy at a much wider velocity spread. I've used vmax and sst type bullets as well, they are good but can sometimes perform very poorly when striking a heavy bone, bottom line I've killed a lot of things and soft point bullets are very predictable and don't care if they strike bone, they may fragment more at that point, but will still drive through with a large portion of the projectile intact.
I hunt deer with an 11.5" 5.56. The 70gr TSX is excellent, but Ive found mk318 mod 0 to perform better on white tail. I'm trying 62gr Dual Performance this year.
Who says 5.56 is obsolete?✊🏻😠 The thing to keep in mind is that with 55gr, it's not that it isn't as impressive at 7yds through an 11.5" barrel. It's that it's VERY impressive at 100-300yds through a 18" or 20" barrel and a nice slow twist. That solid copper round was freakin legit though, bro!
Absolutely great demonstration.. I think that they are all deadly rounds to use.. thing is a lot of us have to go with what we can afford.. don't have the luxury of having SEAL Team Six's budget!.. but thank you for a great demonstration.. I sure wish I could afford that rifle
Just figure out the OEM for whatever noveske part and voila, problem solved. Easier said than done, I know. But they barely make anything themselves, if anything at all. Overrated is an understatement.
Great Video- one point of contention though - 1 inch of gel does not = 1 inch of human torso. It's just an arbitrary standard to rate rounds against each other. The FBI determined that 16 inches in gel would equal enough penetration in the "average" person to reach vitals. Provided it impacts the target at recommended velocity, ( >2800 fps) 55 grain will absolutely yaw and fragment in a human sized torso.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw "not bad but outdated with bullet technology"?!? says the guy that kept calling the tumble of the bullet that creates the permanent wound cavity "expanding"... terminal ballistics - for ANY ROUND - is all about velocity. 20" = more velocity.
I stock back m193 because its cheap and effective. I hand load my own take on Mk262 (75 gr HPBTs at 3k fps in a 20" Yes, it's an over-pressured load, but im comfortable running it)
shorter barrels like the larger grain. 55gr out of a 20 inch barrel is stupid good. I've seen ballistic test on a 12.5 - 14.5 -16 -20 inch in that order with 55 gr and each step up that round got so much more violent. Out of a 20 inch it decimated a target.
* shoots 55 grain * : leaves the biggest wound channel dollar per dollar on the table. His reaction: "Eh whatever it's not what the team guys use when shooting the skinniest freaks on the planet"😂
@LastAmericanOutlaw maybe. It's also 2 dollars a round. 55 grain is 450 dollars for 1000. And it did very well. Another thing to keep in mind is when a rifle round drops below 2200 fps, it becomes in effect a pistol round in wounding mechanism. The heavier bullets and shorter barrel are going to result in dropping below 2200 fps sooner/in less distance. Which could also mean that that the 70 grain is less effective at medium ranges.
Barely made it past the first 4", which in actual FBI spec gel is supposed to simulate skin lol lots of fragmentation immediately on impact. Which is not a pretty day in any world. But certainly not as devastating as something with the velocity and tumble of a lighter projectile breaking up further in. People gon believe what they gon believe though. I thought that TCX from defiant was infinitely more impressive. That needs to exist. Also very true about the heavier grains dropping below 2200 in shorter platforms. That's a critical number to stay above or the rounds purpose is completely defeated. 77gr is already flying below 2600fps in a 16" at the muzzle, holds speed a bit longer due to the weight at least. Out of 11.5 a 77gr would probably barely be pushing 2300, idk for sure though, haven't seen much data for that scenario. In CQB the mid 60-70gr stuff I'm sure is excellent. As the FBI puts it, some ballistic magic happens when you use 64gr in an 11.5 setup. They're all a nightmare in the real world anyways.
He knows all about the weapons the Navy seals are using AND even what ammo they’re currently feeding it!! Yet, says M855A1 has a tungsten tip 😂😂 4:21. Any of the popular 5.56 loads will be very effective at 7yrds
Speer used to make a 64g option but now provide 55g/62g/75g, all equally efficient across an EXTREMELY wide range of velocity. Personally my favorite is the FBI loading the Federal 62g TBBC. It's a 62g bonded softpoint stepped up to 5.56 pressures and is in my opinion the greatest all around 5.56 cartridge.
@@LastAmericanOutlawThe Winchester Silvertip 64gr Defense Tip rounds would be interesting to see. They are basically massive hollow-point bullets with a polymer tip. Very good terminal performance from what I’ve read/seen.
Make no mistake friends. Every. Single. One of these rounds are devastatingly lethal.
This. The sheer amount of walking organisms forcefully grounded by 5.56 shouldn’t need to be argued. If it wasnt effective, it wouldnt be used.
Pretty sure I don't want to be hit with any of them 😂
So I can't play bullets tag with my buddies with 55g without getting hurt?
Every fire round is lethal
@@ethanking4954 sure can’t friend.
Someone said they heard even the taliban switched to 556 just recently.
Yeah and where could they have gotten that stuff from?
@@tx214. makes sense you know the Americans prefer it, and apparently hand it out like candy.
@LastAmericanOutlaw well, Biden did, at least.
Iran as well
YEAH, when our traitor president left 81 BILLION dollars of military equipment in Afghanistan and now sending money over there to support the Afghanistan women that lost their husbands in the war. So does that answer your question? What a big fuck up that was! FKH & her supporters Too!
The 12.5 elite don’t want you to know this but all 556 ammo coming out of a 20in AR-15 is Highly effective😂
The difference in sound from my 11.5" to one of my match barrel 20" rifles running 77gr OTBTM on a steel gong at 500yd is incredible. The 11.5" is a _ding!_ while the 20" is a _THWACK!_
@@TheFishE77Official
20 inch with 77 grains is punching way above its weight. Not the best in CQB or at 800+ yards but quite excellent everywhere between.
Even a 55 grain 223 Remington round is highly effective out of a 20-in gun. But luging at 20-in gun around is not very efficient.
it's all about that velocity, boys!
@@dobrzpe for a diminutive bullet like 5.56, velocity is everything
The burn marks are caused when the gel comes backs together compressing the air so fast it creates heat and a small explosion. So the bigger the temporary expansion cavity the bigger the flash.
Like a piston 😖 but with meat
yeah that's why your mom dont walk right anymore after me
The ATF just banned belt loops 😂
@@DrunkChristian03 bahahahah
Trump got in. The ATF got disbanded
I don't even know if you're joking.
And shoelaces
I have many belt loops. I'm going to make more belt loops and give them away inside a goodie bag to everyone at the next gun show. FTATF.
I doubt anyone hit by any 5.56 round would think, "man, I'm glad that wasn't x bullet".
I guarantee you 100% percent if you get hit with 556 you would be glad it wasent a 762 tho
😂
You would if it ice picks
@@mariovillicana6290 5.56 and 7.62x51 wounds are identical despite x51 having far more energy, except at close range where 5.56 actually does more damage than 7.62. This is because the bullet mechanism of the 5.56 is superior due to its higher velocity and lighter jacket construction. 7.62 is primarily against barriers as the mass means less energy loss over distance. Beyond 300 yards though, neither will fragment and so both produce the exact same wound cavity.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 762 is far more superior its not even up for debate lmaoo people always want to argue lmaooo
Black Hills 77g TMK was my personal gold standard for a lot of years .and still is for the most part . TMK is a phenomenal all around bullet for Precsion and or Terminal.
Now that AAC makes 70g TSX load in 556n thats my gold standard for HD / SD . Picked up 500 rounds on sale for 50 cents a round . AAC 556N 70G TSX IMO is the absolute best for terminal performance. Barnes Triple Shock bullets are hard hotting round no 2 ways about it . Hornady CX / GMX and Nosler E-Tip are some other all copper bullets that smack sucker hard..
All in all 77g TMK and 70g TSX are my personal favorites period ..
BTW i did this comment before i watched the video lol..
@@fortnite.burgerfrom reading OP’s comment, looks like gold standard in precision, terminal effects, home defense and self defense?
I mainly use 13.7" 556N .
77G TMK is my personal favorite Bullet for Precsion. 77g TMK also has exceptional terminal Performance.
If you want an awesome dual purpose bullet that can be used for precision and good terminal Performance I highly recommend Sierra Bullets ( SMK , TMK and OTM )..
AAC 70G TSX is for HD / SD and is IMO the gold standard for soft tissue using 556n . Barnes is who makes TSX / TTSX Bullets . It's all copper monolithic bullet .
Another great alternative to TSX / TTSX is Hornady CX / GMX and Nosler E-Tip . They are also monolithic bullet. These bullets were designed for taking large game and to smack that game as hard as possible with all copper design..
@@seanwhite304 Are those 70g AAC rounds g2g in your experience with them? I personally haven't used their ammo but sounded like they were having issues with fragmentation or shearing and causing baffle strikes and poor accuracy? It could've just been their 55g though if it were even true
@chadsamuelson498 I've only used AAC 70G TSX and AAC 75G BTHP MATCH Both are obviously 556N chamberings .
70g TSX bullet is made by Barnes and 75g BTHP Match Bullet is made by Hornady .
I've shot close to 1.2k of the 75g BTHP Match and have nothing but good things to say . I have not shot 75G BTHP MATCH Suppressed because I only use that ammo for Long range stages at 2Gub Matches . I usually am not running a Can at any LR 2Gun Match / Stage..
The 70g TSX I've shot little over 300 rounds thru my Go too rigs which are suppressed .
Both those AAC ammo I've used have been GTG .
Me personally I think accuracy is hyped up way too much . I have 0 issues hitting 10" at 100Y to 450Y with 75g BTHP Match. That's more than accurate enough for what I need it for .
I ran a test with AAC 77gr OTM, and their SMK and TMK loadings, as well as Black Hills D556N9 (77 SMK) and D556N19 (77 TMK). I’m running a Green Mountain 1:6 twist 18” with rifle length gas, SA gas block and a Griffin RECCE5. The AAC grouped far and away better than the Black Hills, with a lower SD as well. I could not, for the life of me, get groups better than 1.75” at 100yd with either of the BH, while the AAC was stacking consistently within the size of nickel, all touching each other or just making one ragged hole. Not sure if the ammo didn’t like the barrel but I was thoroughly unimpressed given the exorbitant cost per round, while AAC has earned my business. Took the 5.56 77gr OTM out to 1000 yards recently with consistent hits, and at less than half the cost of BH. Everyone’s setup is different, and seeing what flavor of ammo your gun likes best is always paramount to success.
One thing to note. Ballistics gel isn’t mimicking people. It’s a standard measurement tool.
M855 is totally still around with a lot of units for training. The A1's tend come out specifically for bussiness.
We've had a few boxes of a1 running big field ops, I was told we weren't really supposed to run it in the M27 IAR, they are loaded hot and cause stress on the bolt lugs and erode the feed ramp with the exposed steel. Guess they usually gave it to the scout spotters for their m4s.
@@Nemesis_0311100% even m4s shouldn’t be shooting it. A1 cuts barrel live in half and it shreds up the interior of the bolt locking system
@@Nemesis_0311 The early lots of 855a1 were stupid hot, but the current production stuff isn't all that much hotter than other 5.55 loads, the propellant has just been optimized to get the most out of it in a 14.5in barrel
@@velvoc5113It doesn't cut the barrel life in half, that was just data from some of the early developmental versions
If it's shredding the rear of your barrel extension, tell your armorer they need to give you the right mags. Gen3 PMags or metal mags with the newest follower fix the issue with the tip dragging while it feeds
I never seen green tips used even during training
Remember, ballistic gel is not the same as actual flesh. Speaking from experience, 55gr lead core opens up as soon as it smacks the real deal, especially when it hits bone, and especially from a 20 inch
Lol faker
@GODourFATHER id shot the results of my most recent hog hunt if i didnt feel like it would upset the youtube gods
Today on american outlaw. We're gonna be prepared for SHTF by doing 1-2 sit-ups
Wat
His 30 little buddies have his six 😂 and they run pretty fast
0% chance my boy is doing any sit-ups
Full metal jacket bullets don’t open up/ expand. They tumble and break apart usually
At the cannelure.
Thanks for the excellent video. I use Speer Gold Dots 62gr or 75gr, or I use Barnes 70gr TSX, or if I can get them I use Federal 62gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 62gr FBI rounds, for war/defense rounds because they are excellent all around rounds and do everything well. You can bet your life on any of these rounds.
Interesting results, if you want to save your table you can put a memory foam pillow under the gel and will keep it from jumping and killing tables.
I believe M855A1 tip is hardened steel not tungsten.
It is indeed hardened steel not tungsten. M855 green tip is mild steel
Correct.
@@warrenharrison9490 incorrect... M855A1 is indeed a steel tip, M995 is your Tungsten tipped projectile.
@@SebastianE18 your profile picture is my reaction to your comment lol
@@Merk21 LMAO, you're right. I read that comment ass backwards.
It's called sonoluminesience air following the projectiles is sealed in a closed space causing compression ignition
@@rogerlittle354 it’s pretty cool, would it do it in live tissue ?
I read your question and my mind went right to shot in the stomach after eating wings cooked in peanut oil.... Yes big flash I'm sure. @@LastAmericanOutlaw
@@LastAmericanOutlaw100%. Its why bullet wounds sometimes pour smoke immediately after. Ive shot numerous hogs under thermal and you can absolutely see the smoke. Its pretty wild.
Hey kid's clear gel doesn't accurately simulate proper organic gelatin.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It is more of a consistent test medium than something meant for a 1:1 simulation of the human body.
Or living tissue. Holding the block up next to a human torso like we get a 1 to 1 comparison is ignorant. That's not how this works.
I'm glad you mentioned that.
It doesn't simulate gelatin as accurately, but from what I have seen it simulates real tissue more accurately than gelatin. This is because clear ballistic is more flexible. This means you are less likely to get expansion and fragmentation which leads to deeper penetration. This is actually more common which makes it a better test for bullet mechanism reliability.
But as MTMILITAMAN noted, neither gels are designed to be a 1:1 comparison as the depth is also supposed to account for skin elasticity and bone resistance. Gels are only intended to be compared against itself.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kjit's just a medium that illustrates bullet behavior at terminal ballistics. I don't buy into it.
In all honesty. I will stick with the 55gr. I can buy 2 cases for about 1.2 off the 77OTM. I would rather have 800 more rounds personally.
It depends on what you're using it for. If you're putting it in a home defense rifle, then your likelihood of needing more than 5 rounds in the first place is minimal. Even in a theoretical SHTF situation, a 210 rd combat loadout is *more* than sufficient. In a "The world is ending, woops" scenario, assuming you survived at all, you'd probably be dead at the hands of anything you might be shooting by the time you go through 800 rds out of a fighting rifle. If you're just training at the range, 100%, get a bunch of M193. But for everything else, get a stock of good ammo that you'll keep and replace every 5-10 years.
@@KeterMalkuth I know what all my rifle are zeroed for… 55gr. And 10k on standby. Ok. Actually more, so why change caliber or grain. Boom
Spot on
@@JARG55gr for target’s, OTM/HPBT/TMK for defense.
Doesn’t matter how many rounds you have stocked up if it takes half a mag to put down the threat vs 3-5 MAYBE.
Basically making your stock pile equal to half of what you’d need for an actual self defense round.
Just go read/watch stories from the cool guys who participated in OIF/OAF, and see how they feel about 55’s and 62’s. They suck. Only useful if you’re shooting through walls, cars, etc.
And it’s insane to watch a video of ballistics on a 55gr and still don’t see a reason to switch to actual select defense rounds. All your lil 55gr ball ammo is gonna do is zip right through the target. So hope you’d never have to face multiple dirt bags with your 55gr because using 1 whole mags+ for 2 shit heads is gonna be fun(not). It’s ok to admit your choice is wrong, and it’s ok to learn and change. But it’s childish to just cop and TRY to find reasons to justify your unlearned mistake.
There’s a reason why SOF’s run OTM(HPBT but worded different to make lawyers happy)
And I’d also like to see you hump around 10k+ rounds. Lol. You basically have 10k+ rounds for the next person to pick up for free.
Rule of thumb is 2k rounds per rifle, with enough mags for the total. Only time you’d need more than 2k rounds is 2k rounds of target loads and if you hit the range often.
I’d sell 8k+ of that, and buy actually defense rounds and keep the rest for the range since that’s actually what it’s for.
And literally only takes like 5-10 mins and half a mag to rezero for new grain weight 😂
I love the Barns TSX 70gr for deer hunting. I reload my rounds and I am using my 20" upper receiver. Now that you did this video it's going to be hard to find the 70gr bullet to reload because everyone wants to be a SEAL team 6 guy now. 😎 Awesome video and I only use Noveske barrels and BCG's.
Going to try for my first deer this season and bought a box of these after reading numerous people say the same. Using my 18" SPR upper - I want as much velocity as possible. Something like an 11.5" seems iffy.
I am so glad to see people using TSX in 5.56 for deer hunting. Way too many fuds will say .223 is too small for deer but they are 100% wrong. TSX rounds are phenomenal. Shot placement is still everything but as I said to another person in the comments I know a guy who has taken 9 bucks with TSX bullets, not one made it past 30yards. I have seen deer run further than that hit by 450 bushmaster...
The “burning” you’re seeing is explosive compression. It’s the air inside the wound channel compressing so fast that it ignites. It’s not caused by the bullet, but the violent collapse of wound cavity
Black Hills 77 gr TMK is the king for pure terminal performance and BC. Terrible barrier penetration however so probably not considered for a military round. Might not be an issue for home defense depending on your criteria…
m855a1 is no longer loaded "Stupid hot", as per recent volicity testing
i just said the same thing!
I’m still getting very close to 3kfps out of a 16in with 23/24 head stamps. They are tuned down from my 12-14 years though but still spicy compared to green tip. Iv just been buying the projectiles lately. I got them just above 3200fps
Issued ammo is
@@tylerreis7627 the ammo you see on youtube is issued ammo. doesnt matter the channel you see it on. the velocity's are near identical to m855. the first major runs were rediciously hot. but reports made it back and they dialed it down. there is no civilian sales of m855a1. if you see it for sale, "someone got it somehow".
@@tylerreis7627 where do you think it comes from?????
Been using 262’s primarily. Now incorporating 82gr’s recently, & they have not disappointed
I’d like to see Fort Scott munitions solid copper or brass spun TUI rounds tested to see how they’d do
We miss you John.
GRANTS PASS will always respect you 🇺🇲
The shock on the table is wild. Which means the lower part of a humans chest would also have damage😂 wild!
Ya for sure
Temporary wound channel has got to be painful.
M955 is the king of the mountains when fighting Terminators.
I use 55gr Speer Gold dot bonded pointed soft point and a 10.5" for HD.
All 3 options, "55g,62g, 75g" from Speer is by far the most terminally efficient 5.56 cartridge on the market. The federal 62g TBBC is equally efficient, "FBI loading". I live on a ranch and we get a ton of large feral hogs and coyotes. I've used practically every 5.56 cartridge from 5 feet to 500 yards and no cartridge even comes close to how efficient Speer and federals bonded softpoints are.
55gr in a 10.5? What twist rate barrel? Does it stabilize?
@@TerminalM193 I agree with you completely. I use Speer Gold Dot for white tail hunt too, it's fantastic.
The fact that was just out there verifying my zero on my 16-in today, opening day is next week! 🇺🇸
@@KevinHuff23 my brother 55 grain will stabilize in a 10.5 in without any problem whatsoever. However since you asked I am using a 1:8 Barrel in both my 10.5 and my 16-inch guns.
@@KevinHuff23 Twist rate has very little to do with stabilizing and that FUD lore has been perpetuated for far too long. As long as you're using the "big 3" twist rates for the caliber which are 1:9/8/7 and use bullets within the 55g-77g range then you're going to have near identical accuracy all the way out to 600 yards. There's many other important factors in play before twist rate even begins to interfere with accuracy. I've personally tested this and there's also some great videos here on RUclips that help dispel the myth.
I'd love to see some tests of 40gr ballistic tip out of 7.5-10.5" lengths.
Id like to imagine every single one of these gel blocks represents a shot from one side of a rib cage width wise to another. Not every engagement is head on. All of these would shart in your cheerios
The 55gr going through more before expanding is assuming it hits nothing solid along the way also. Also 55gr BTHP is going to open up sooner than FMJ obviously, IDK which they're using here.
First 4 inches of gel represent skin, allegedly
@misterfister7262 fbi always puts fabric in front of ballistics gel when testing. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought ballistic gel was a different consistency than the clear gel also. I'm not simping for 55gr, just factors to consider for all weights and compositions.
@@zlong7997 yeah I forgot about the fabric 🤦♂️ idk either, I'm simping for 55 gr because I'm a poor 😂 I'm like.. 51% sure the first 4 inches represent skin but I could totally be wrong
@@zlong7997clear is definitely different than the organic ballistic.
Was also developed for a 20” barrel at higher velocity. Out of an m16 you won’t be getting up
Dude you rock, love your videos!!
Thanks brother
i literally enjoy every moment of this video, not just the rifle itself but the rounds as well, a very educational video, hopefully one day i would own a rifle like this one, and pick the right rounds
M855 AND M855A1 are both Armor Penetrating rounds. They are just LIGHT Armor Penetrating. Hence the full designation being M855/A1 LAP. My home defense round is currently a 77Gr OTM. I have 62Gr green tips for my general purpose round. 55gr is great for messing around with because it is relatively cheap. I'd like to do some testing with Hornady Black 75Gr soft points.
That 55gr wouldnt have opened up after the body. Gel is not the same as flesh, its not a 1 to 1. Its kinda like dynos for cars. Its a tool for comparison purposes. I use 55gr specifically for coyotes, and it fragments in them 99% of the time. I dont think your buddy has a smaller torso than the coyotes we have in central tx lol
No bro, it's not what the team guys are using while shooting the skinniest freaks on the planet. 😂
bonded soft points are the best ballistic gel performers
Showing your buddy’s how to bumpfire was the greatest feeling back in the day
”I don’t think I’m scared of it” stand in front of a 55g and tell me after that will tear you up
The 55gr round was designed to be fired out of a 20” barrel to achieve its maximum effectiveness.
Keep that in mind when choosing this round in situations where life and liberty are on the line.
If you’re not sending it from a 20” barrel there are better choices than the 55gr pill.
"M193 not good enough for self defense"
Vietnam veterans: * pikachu face *
Not saying M193 isn't good, but also this isn't a 20" A1. M193 out of 10.3/10.5 really isn't very consistent and the 'optimal range' is pretty short.
Plus, the cost of better ammo is insignificant if you have to defend yourself with it.
Worst case if your budget is SUPER low, just buy a box of the good stuff, use 5 rds to confirm zero/function, then load the rest 15 rounds on top of 15 rounds of M193.
@@JohnZ556 Good point
Naturally, after confirming your particular bangstick will cycle said rounds. 😁
Some of them are VERY picky, like a 6 year old that hates everything except macaroni and hotdogs. I had an Armalite that was great with any brass case fmj up to 77gr. But add any other kind of tip.. forget it. Steel case, nope.
The only exception being that it would cycle that lightweight frangible stuff really well.
Point is… don’t trust ANY of it without running at least a few mags worth through it to see if it’s going to choke.
@@TacShooter all the nam bets I know hated the 55 even out of the 20. But I am sure some liked it. And they had just left the 30-06 so understand
Last words “What grain was that…..”
First time here. I can see why you have so many subs. Very entertaining!
Yes, the ttsx and the TSX are fantastic bullets but you have to keep the velocity up they work the best above $2,200 ft per second below that you will have expansion problems
Worth pointing out that distance changes the equation here massively. What is great in CQB isn't necessarily the best at 500 yards or even 200 different bullets can have very different terminal effect at lower velocities the 77 match with its thin jacket and soft lead is known for fragmenting out at ranges that a 55grain or m855 would just leave a tiny hole in. Also missing a big reason the Barns TSX is so good, it will not only expand well but it also penetrates much deeper than any lead core, it's why almost all hunters are using solid copper bullets these days. On top of that it penetrates light cover far better too such as glass and sheet metal. Copper is just great stuff, the only downside of monolithic copper bullets is they are about the most expensive option, the other downside is copper bullets are velocity dependent so is good as they are I would wager a 77grain otm or tmk will out perform the tsx at long range.
IMO: TSX would be just about the best all purpose bullet for inside 200 yards, but once that velocity drops it won't expand, so if you have a 20in rifle and a scope and want to shoot long range, stick to the 77grain option. Alternatively one additional option for home defense ranges is a deep hollow point like a V-max bullet, Hornady TAP. These are essentially varmint hunting frangible bullets, they have just about the most violent expansion and fragmentation of any .223/5.56 round, downside being they do not perform well at all against cover, and they don't penetrate too deep. However for home defense ranges they can actually be devastating, many SWAT teams use this option.
M855a1 is insane, like green tip but fragments more than OTMs
It’s called dieseling the rapid compression of air in the gel ignites
M855a1 is literally the best round for sure, fragments like insane
I was surprised at its performance
@@LastAmericanOutlaw penetrates like m855 but fragments like an OTM going 3100fps, literally insane, needs civilian market
M855a1 is literally best of every round, like green tip but fragments like OTMs
My only critique is reveling the barrel length / twist of the barrel. When it comes to ballistics comparisons in both barrels and bed, inches can matter.
I’ve been rocking some 62 grain controlled chaos that I got a good deal on. Great video
55 grain is meant to be over stabilized so it tumbles on impact. It will do its job well in the fast twist barrels the M855 does the same thing.
20" barrel makes most ammo duty grade but a 35gr from a 20" barrel and a custom tip as the ballistic tip is easily removable makes something phenomenal or so I've been told
That's easy... Bonded softpoint without question, preferably the Federal 62g TBBC but the Speer Gold Dot is equally efficient. This cartridge has a very wide window of velocity where it's terminally devastating so it can be used from a 10" to 24" barrel effectively. The fbi currently uses the federal TBBC.
Bone Frog Gun Club sells the .223 Federal 62gr bonded, seems to be in stock at all times. They get the Gold Dots in 55 gr. regularly as well.
@@marzcapone9939Sometimes bonefrog will actually get the 62g TBBC which is like it's 223 offering but stepped up to 5.56 pressures.
Tbbc has the ballistic coefficient of a brick though. Same rifle that I'd print 2 moa groups with federal fusion msr made two 5 shot groups of 6 moa with tbbc.
@@mghegotagun You HAD to of either gotten a bad batch or the shorter seated bullet just doesn't play nice with your barrel due to it having a further distance to reach the barrel on ignition, "I've seen this discussed before in a few forums". In my FN CHF I'm able to get right around 2moa while my 16.1" LWRC M6 DI it's right under 3moa.
@@TerminalM193
I'll grant it's possible it was the load itself. It wasn't the federal premium law enforcement 223 load. It was ND55664 white box from bereli. I think they were labeled "not for duty use". QC was probably all over the place.
It would be cool to catch all of the ammo in the gel. Yet, my own experience, the M855 suffices for basic combat and the Mk-262 77 gr works if you hit repeatedly. I’ve seen guys get back up after hit with both. I got thr M855-A1 and the Mk-318 ammo myself.
After 8 combat tours, I learned a lot about ammo and ballistics.
I have LONG used a Barnes 70gr TSX 5.56 round from my Sionics 11.5". Many 300+ pound hogs have been taken, DRT, with that round. It's peerless from SBR's. It's also barrier blind and...in my gun, it's just as accurate as BH 77gr SMK and TSMK.
Fort Scott 5.56 40grain load would be interesting to see tested.
I load 40gr ballistic tips for my AR pistols and for turning varmints into mist. So far its been solid at going through 1 car door but not out the other side so it's semi barrier blind and when it hits any type of meat target it goes about 10" deep, is totally mushroomed open- seems like it'd be an excellent pistol length home defense round for 2 legged vermin
Got bored and bought a box of 40 for coyote clearing on grandpas ranch. Out of a 16.1" HK upper these thing rip at 3962 fps and will nearly rip a full grown coyote in half. However, I've had stability issues past 360 yrd. The group opens up about an inch or more consistently at that range. I believe a 1/9 barrel would fix it but haven't tested it yet
@@Zel_eo A flatwire buffer spring for more consistent chambering could also fix the issue. HK rifles tend to be overgassed & rebound to chamber hard(which can flat spot the bullet on the feed ramp). The SI carbine flatwire spring is $22 pretty cheap upgrade if you have a 416 upper. Regardless unlikely to be the twist rate as 40grain all copper bullet is very similar in dimensions to a 55grain FMJ. Would definitely ask the manufacturer as they have the load testing data though.
Loving the defiant 62gr TCX. Gonna stick with that.
@@JonKerwood it’s top tier
But the 70 is about to take the place as king to his 62
16-20inch barrel turns 55g into duty ammo
Thx great video - love the belt loop at the end
The Varmint round literally explodes from the energy. Great for home defense without worrying about going thru the neighborhood.
green tip is still used for training and combat at least by guard units still just cause there still a lot of it in service
I haven’t seen it with the guard units I have worked with but it is very possible
@@LastAmericanOutlaw well oklahoma guard is usually always straped for money so maybe where just way behind lmao
I don't know if you can find some kinda rib for cheap but that would make these test more interesting.
You got my new rifle in, thanks!
Those green tips are soooooooo freaking loud. I couldn’t imagine being in combat with fellow soldiers all around shooting that round. Omg
For the pricewise 55 grain fucks harder than any other rounds😂
Badlands 85gr would have interesting
@@LowSpeedHighDrag45 ya it would be cool
as a stander conventional guy. The M855A1 was a standard round at every range I went to not just for the special boys. Not saying it’s a bad round just saying it wasn’t exclusive to just the crew he named.
Noveske makes some badass rifles,, but I’m a little bias I’ve owned several of them over the years and I think they are second to none
nothing can stop that M855A1 right now
You gotta add some varmint hunting ammo a lot of guys that are using 223 are using it to shoot varmints
Like Hornady Vmax ammo or Nosler varmageddon
A lot of these rounds are designed for extreme violent expansion
62 grain gold dot hand loaded hot
I wish m855a1 were common for civilians. I haven’t came across any.
C.o.p hollow points are the best self defense in warm weather if you dont need to penetrate body armor. I think they are far superior for transferring energy and hydrostatic shock. I wouldnt be using it in the winter when it would have to go through thick clothing. I love 90gr cop 9mm hollowpoints.
I can't speak for the Army or the Marine's, but the Navy Seals that train in my area are still using mostly M855 green tips. Haven't seen hardly any of the M855A1.
Marines still use m855 my unit when I was in refused to use a1
Well i have a shit load of green tip and its a pain in the ass to find other options where im from in Illinois so thats what im gonna use!!! I can find 55 grain target ammo pretty easily as well!!!
Green tip is also better with barriers.
Only people that have never taken a 55 gr 5.56 to the chest would ever suggest that it isn't suited for self defense.
As a civilian you have the ability to use FAR superior ammunition, which is basically any cup and core/ bonded/ or partioned SOFT POINT, if your using 556 for self defense the only military type ammo you should even consider is 77gr otm aside from that ANY soft point bullet is FAR SUPERIOR at transferring energy in a meaningful way into live targets.
Know anyone doing a factory load of noslers 60 grain partition bullet?
@mghegotagun I don't know every factory loading? And my entire point was that an expanding bullet is always superior against live targets than any fmj, or the otm, which isn't designed to reliably fragment or expand, they tend to yaw and break apart more than anything. A 55gr will typically do the same thing as long as it's velocity on impact is high enough, still not nearly effective as a bulle that will reliably expand and transfer its energy at a much wider velocity spread. I've used vmax and sst type bullets as well, they are good but can sometimes perform very poorly when striking a heavy bone, bottom line I've killed a lot of things and soft point bullets are very predictable and don't care if they strike bone, they may fragment more at that point, but will still drive through with a large portion of the projectile intact.
None of the above.
75 gr Hornady Black interlock.
SBR ❤
I hunt deer with an 11.5" 5.56. The 70gr TSX is excellent, but Ive found mk318 mod 0 to perform better on white tail. I'm trying 62gr Dual Performance this year.
Who says 5.56 is obsolete?✊🏻😠
The thing to keep in mind is that with 55gr, it's not that it isn't as impressive at 7yds through an 11.5" barrel. It's that it's VERY impressive at 100-300yds through a 18" or 20" barrel and a nice slow twist.
That solid copper round was freakin legit though, bro!
Absolutely great demonstration.. I think that they are all deadly rounds to use.. thing is a lot of us have to go with what we can afford.. don't have the luxury of having SEAL Team Six's budget!.. but thank you for a great demonstration.. I sure wish I could afford that rifle
Just figure out the OEM for whatever noveske part and voila, problem solved. Easier said than done, I know. But they barely make anything themselves, if anything at all. Overrated is an understatement.
A small torch or heat gun will make the ballistics gel way more clear
sick. Now you gotta do the .300 Blackout variant
77 grain Hornaday BLACK V max is the tits for civilian market imo
Great Video- one point of contention though - 1 inch of gel does not = 1 inch of human torso. It's just an arbitrary standard to rate rounds against each other. The FBI determined that 16 inches in gel would equal enough penetration in the "average" person to reach vitals. Provided it impacts the target at recommended velocity, ( >2800 fps) 55 grain will absolutely yaw and fragment in a human sized torso.
The most important comment. ^
Seeing him take the gel block and overlay it on his friend was face-palm.
Civilians can use hollow points military camt😂 That's a win
Yes they can.
@@jiujitsu5000These people are morons, dude. You nailed it.
And here we go!
Love the mikah feature at the end
55 grain is fine if there is not armor. The speed is incredible and it splits like crazy.
The TSX’s are currently out of stock unfortunately
20” supremacy 🤘
@@civicsr2cool not bad but outdated with bullet technology
@@LastAmericanOutlaw "not bad but outdated with bullet technology"?!? says the guy that kept calling the tumble of the bullet that creates the permanent wound cavity "expanding"... terminal ballistics - for ANY ROUND - is all about velocity. 20" = more velocity.
20" makes every 5.56 "practice rounds" into duty rounds.
@@LastAmericanOutlawyou might want to delete that one. 🤦🏼♂️
20” master race
I'd think the military now uses 300blackout
I stock back m193 because its cheap and effective.
I hand load my own take on Mk262 (75 gr HPBTs at 3k fps in a 20" Yes, it's an over-pressured load, but im comfortable running it)
shorter barrels like the larger grain. 55gr out of a 20 inch barrel is stupid good. I've seen ballistic test on a 12.5 - 14.5 -16 -20 inch in that order with 55 gr and each step up that round got so much more violent. Out of a 20 inch it decimated a target.
A1 is steel tip, not tungsten
Hope the ATF doesn’t kick in your door and arrest your thumb:)
I'd like to see the same test but with armor in front of the gel
I don't remember who makes it but I have some 72 grain soft-tip lead that's pretty effective
* shoots 55 grain * : leaves the biggest wound channel dollar per dollar on the table.
His reaction: "Eh whatever it's not what the team guys use when shooting the skinniest freaks on the planet"😂
The barns 70 absolutely did the best homie
@LastAmericanOutlaw maybe. It's also 2 dollars a round. 55 grain is 450 dollars for 1000. And it did very well. Another thing to keep in mind is when a rifle round drops below 2200 fps, it becomes in effect a pistol round in wounding mechanism. The heavier bullets and shorter barrel are going to result in dropping below 2200 fps sooner/in less distance. Which could also mean that that the 70 grain is less effective at medium ranges.
Barely made it past the first 4", which in actual FBI spec gel is supposed to simulate skin lol lots of fragmentation immediately on impact. Which is not a pretty day in any world. But certainly not as devastating as something with the velocity and tumble of a lighter projectile breaking up further in. People gon believe what they gon believe though. I thought that TCX from defiant was infinitely more impressive. That needs to exist.
Also very true about the heavier grains dropping below 2200 in shorter platforms.
That's a critical number to stay above or the rounds purpose is completely defeated. 77gr is already flying below 2600fps in a 16" at the muzzle, holds speed a bit longer due to the weight at least. Out of 11.5 a 77gr would probably barely be pushing 2300, idk for sure though, haven't seen much data for that scenario. In CQB the mid 60-70gr stuff I'm sure is excellent. As the FBI puts it, some ballistic magic happens when you use 64gr in an 11.5 setup.
They're all a nightmare in the real world anyways.
He knows all about the weapons the Navy seals are using AND even what ammo they’re currently feeding it!! Yet, says M855A1 has a tungsten tip 😂😂 4:21. Any of the popular 5.56 loads will be very effective at 7yrds
I wanna see 64gr soft point vs these
@@pewpewbbqs who makes it ?
Speer used to make a 64g option but now provide 55g/62g/75g, all equally efficient across an EXTREMELY wide range of velocity. Personally my favorite is the FBI loading the Federal 62g TBBC. It's a 62g bonded softpoint stepped up to 5.56 pressures and is in my opinion the greatest all around 5.56 cartridge.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw Federal has made a 64 gr bonded soft point, hard to find.
@@LastAmericanOutlawThe Winchester Silvertip 64gr Defense Tip rounds would be interesting to see. They are basically massive hollow-point bullets with a polymer tip. Very good terminal performance from what I’ve read/seen.
@@TerminalM193
Tbbc isn't very accurate.
Gold dots/fusions can achieve almost 1 moa depending on the rifle