Your review is spot on. I have the Leica Elmarit 28/2.8 and I shot thousands of images with it using the M11. Every image is impeccably sharp and top notch IQ. It's a gem of a lens. Anything that come close to it and smaller is worthy of consideration.
I've recently bought the Elmarit 28 which only happens to be one of my grail lens for my M6 and M11 and I gotta say I absolutely love it with what you've mentioned - the sharpness and the lack of overall vignetting like I previously shot with a Voigt Ultron 28mm I borrowed from a friend.
I have both the Leica Summilux-M 28 and Elmarit-M 28. They’re both impressive lenses on the SL2, M11, and M11 Monochrom. The Summilux-M is a bit bulky and heavy on the M cameras, but manageable. I had a Q2 Monochrom and loved the look of a Summilux 28, but I also wanted a compact 28 as well. I bought a few Voigtländer lenses a few years ago (Super Wide-Heliar 15 mm f/4.5, Color-Skopar 21 mm f/3.5, and Nokton Classic-M 35 mm f/1.4) but sold them, as I didn’t appreciate their character at the time. Since then, I bought a used Voigtländer Nokton 35 mm f/1.2 VM I and a new Nokton 75 mm f/1.5 VM. The former is soft, but gives me a completely different look compared to my Leica Summilux-M 35 FLE I and APO-Summicron-M 35. The Nokton 75/1,5 is much smaller and lighter than my Noctilux-M 75 mm f/1.25 (it’s worth keeping both).
Because the absence of distortion is important in two areas of my work, the Elmarit-M is the winner, especially coupled with corner to corner resolution and less vignetting. But as a pocket-handy shooter on either the iiif or Standard, a neat little Colour Skopar would do the trick. I'll try them on in the shop, before deciding. Thanks for this, cheers, Kevin 👌
Own ultron 28 2 (version II) and use it for both personal and commercial work. Have owned two variants of the summicron 28 and elmarit 28, and sold them for the ultron.. as they don’t even come close to the ultron. Used the extra money to feed my family.
Valid points and that is why the Ultron is a beast of a lens. Voigtlander said these color skopar versions are the same optics but for the negligible price difference not sure why some would go for the 2.8.
I'm mostly intrigued for the sake of the ltm version: it focuses closer, appears a bit smaller, and would be a DREAM lens on a Leica iii. But I appreciate this review!
The best 28mm lens I’ve used is the old Ricoh GR 28mm f2.8 ltm lens. That is one lens I’ll never sell. The colors and sharpness it produces is fantastic.
Voigtlander recent releases are amazing, thanks for reviewing! I actually do love this design more than previous Voigtlander designs, given I never liked that steel rim they have, especially on black lenses. This design is very clean, similar to the Leica Steel Rim remake almost, or the 40mm summicron / Rokkor. Rendering wise, Voigtlander lenses have been amazing. I have the Nokton 35 f1.4 and prefer it to the Steel Rim Remake. A lot of fans out there of the 50mm Nokton f1.5 too, although I never tried it. Makes little sense to choose Leica lenses (unless you really need to have everything Leica) when Voigtlander is releasing such amazing lenses (even in LTM!)
Yes they have really done a good job over the past few years. I’m glad they have moved away from that steel or chrome rim they did on black lenses. Never liked that. Leica lenses still have superior build quality and optics but there is no denying Voigtlander has made great strides in the optics department and coming close to the respective Leica counterpart
It's hard to argue with the value proposition that Cosina's Voigtländer lenses offer. (The addition of the hood and a cap to cover it is nice, too.) Not to mention the range of Voigtländer glass they're producing across mounts. It's just a pity that they're not making any new Zeiss ZM glass; those optics were definitely a cut above. I'd be very interested to learn how the new Voigtländer 50mm f/1.0 for Z mount does on a Z8 body with 45MPs. Eyeballing that as a FF walk around set up.
Yes they really offer a great value. I agree it’s a shame they aren’t making any new ZM lenses. When I get my hands on that lens will definitely be doing a review :)
I hope Voigtlander make a 28mm f1.5 ASPH lens that's like their great 35mm f1.5 ASPH and 50mm f1.5 ASPH II. That would be very exciting as the 28 f2 Ultron and 2.8 Skopar are very nice but I like fast lenses, Cosina have found a way to balance size, performance, price, and a pleasing image rendering in many of their recent lenses.
I think it's a perfect cross-platform lens due to the weight, length and pricepoint. I'd like to use it casually and stopped down on the TL2 as a 42mm, a 28mm on the M6 (or S1R), and a 56mm on the GM5.
Hello!! I always like your lens reviews.....I would be REALLY interested in hearing your opinions of the Type 1 vs the Type 2 and the Elmarit.....!! Have a great day!! CC
If I were to spend more money on a 28mm than this new Voigtlaender, I would probably go for the Zeiss 28mm f/2.8 Biogon T*, that lens is as sharp and as well corrected as the Elmarit, and you can even stack two filter without vignetting. I already have the Elmarit though...
@@btonelliZeiss and Voigtlaender are essentially the same company, both brands for M mount are exclusively manufactured by Cosina, meaning that Zeiss and Voigtlaender M mount lenses are made in the same factory. B&H has the Biogon readily available, no back order.
106g Voigtlander on the Leica CL makes for a very light travel setup (although it's not 28mm on the crop sensor a 40mm equivalent is arguably a better street focal length).
A 28 mm lens is mostly set to F4~F5.6. It would have been nice to have had a same scene comparison. As an ergonomics review, this was a good one, but TBH, not very informative so far as IQ is concerned. If money is no object, the Leica lenses are unbeatable, but as in engineering a design engineer would always ask this question from himself, can I have 90% of the peformance of the best at 70% of the cost, and in the case of this Voigtlander lens the answer is a resounding yes.
Understand your perspective on this review. As I mentioned with compression and take into factor manual focusing it’s actually hard to see much of the differences on RUclips. You really need to pixel peep to notice much difference and at 5.6 it’s even lesser. What you will see is slightly better colors out of the leica and slightly brighter. Build quality also better. Is it worth the price difference to the Elmarit? That’s an individual decision
I agree with you. I also think that comparing the results from different lenses on a screen is rather futile. They should be compared in prints, where if my experience is anything to go by, you'd be hard pressed to see much difference in sharpness between different well designed and corrected lenses. I also think that as far as Leica M cameras are concerned size is a deciding factor. I have a couple of 50mm F2.8 and F3.5 Elmars, a couple of 35mm F2.8 Summarons for my M2 and M3 and also a 35 F1.4 ASPH Summilux, and a Zeiss Planar 50mm F2 ZM. The most enjoyable lenses from my point of view are first the Summarons, then the Elmars and then the Summilux and last the Zeiss depite this having a stellar perfomance from every angle. Leica M cameras lend themselves to small lenses, where the Elmarit has a clear advantage over the Cron or the Lux. Thanak you for engaging with me. @@btonelli
I love to use the 28mm focal length for landscapes. I do not have a 28mm lens for my Leica M6 and M10. I have been considering buying a 28mm f/2.8 for my Leica rangefinders. The Leica 28mm f/2.8 is 3x the cost of the Voigtländer 28mm f/2.8. Based on the images in this video, the images are not 3x better.
I have the 28 mm voigtlander for my nikon film/digital cameras. Like the 58 mm, it is STUNNING. I would never use a 28 mm for a portrait, ie head and shoulders/torso because of the unflattering compression. What I use it for is street and there it lives at f/8, 11, 16 for zone focusing. Let me guess, there is NO difference between the Leica and the voigtlander there. I have never shot it wide open. If I want bokeh, I switch to at least a medium tele like an 85. I expect color rendition, micro contrast, 3D pop, and even sharpness should be really close at those apertures.
Hey Bobby, I'm thinking of trading my Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron version 1 to this new 2.8 version but I can't make a decision. Is the size and weight much smaller compared to the f2 or is it better to stick with the Ultron? Thanks
@@btonelli I see, hope you able to try it soon, seem like a going to be very popular and demanded lens! I hope they will release a 24mm lens because it is the new standard focal length with a lot smartphones use it now too, sometime I find 28mm is too narrow for day to day use, 26mm is better, 24mm is even better, now this surprised and sudden release of FF equivalent of 22mm of this 28mm F4 lens that I didn't heard any rumor and previously knew is going to be even better for me! I'm going to get it if I going to get the X2D! I'm very happy that they release this lens!
It’s brighter because VL lenses have very heavy vignetting at f2.8. I would skip the Skopar and just go for the 28 Ultron. There’s no better small 28 than that. The Ultron is already so small. This Skopar is all about the LTM mount guys. Also if you want to mount a little lens to your Fuji. But then I would just get the Fuji stuff. The Ultron II is just a bit taller but in terms of IQ it does everything better. There’s already a pixel peeping comparison between the Ultron and the Skopar and the Ultron is better at every aperture. So why get the Skopar? Anyone who has never shot the Ultron II. Take it from me. That lens is already TINY! The aperture ring issue is the same as the 35 Skopar f2.5 which is why I didn’t get that lens. I for the Nokton II. It’s just like the Pre-ASPH summiluxes.
@@btonelliYea. I can’t remember where is the side by side IQ comparison but I know the Ultron II is better about everything at every aperture. This one isn’t bad; but the Ultron II is better. Cosina already made the perfect little 28mm. Look no further and just get the Ultron II. I think this one should’ve been released in LTM mount and call it a day, but I’m sure some people will go for it. (And then eventually get sick of it, want something better and sell it). This isn’t a keeper lens for sure. The best thing about this Skopar is the other style. The one that looks like a 28 Summaron. This lens in the LTM mount is good because is rare those guys can buy brand new LTM lenses for their film cameras.
@@carlosmcse yes the LTM looks good and feels slightly more premium. The Ultron is the best lens for the price in the 28mm lineup for sure. Elmarit holds well considering but price to performance, Ultron
@@btonelli I just went through the same thing with 35mm. The Summicron v4 KOB and the Pre-ASPH Summilux. They’re selling for crazy prices. $3,000! So I bought the 35f1.4 Nokton II SC. It’s awesome! That is vintage perfect. If you haven’t tried it I highly recommend it. But it’s about character and charm not pixel peeping. That glow at f1.4 is amazing. After f4 very sharp but gentle like the original Summicrons. Beautiful lens.
I’ve tried that and it’s a great lens. I really like the 1.5 as well which is quite versatile from look perspective. So many good lenses now it’s tough haha
So many reviewers are intent on showing this lens wearing the “lens hood” that most of us are going to leave in the box. We want to see how compact the camera is without it!
Bobby, loved the points made in this review. Again, I subscribe to your channel because I’m a Leica shooter, and I like your presentation style. Question. Given the incredible ISO capabilities of today’s cameras across the board, does aperture really matter as much as it use to? And don’t get me wrong, I’m not downplaying the importance of higher aperture. I personally prefer fast glass for its character. But in the case of 28mm options. The Elmarit is top drawer. Sharp. Small. Lease expensive Leica 28mm option. But I own the Summaron 28mm f5.6. And using both the SL2-S and the M11 M I’ve captured some insane California coastal and sunset shots that this camera enthusiast is VERY proud of. Just my thoughts and experience. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Be Blessed, Doc Chaps PS I recently purchased a MINT Silver M3 and Silver 50mm f2 DR with Goggles from Fotopia. Exquisite.
Hi Doc Chaps thank you for watching and the support greatly appreciated. Hmm aperture still does male a difference. One point like you said for character and the other of course is higher ISO performance. Yes one can do some amazing things with software these days but that software isn’t 100 percent accurate at times and having a cleaner image to begin with helps. With that said for the 28mm focal length most won’t need a 1.4 lens. The 5.6 you have is a fantastic lens for many applications. Especially landscapes, urban photography of buildings etc where you are capturing a scene not going for depth of field. Everyone will use these lenses differently and that’s why I always preface when answering lens choice questions with “what do you like to photograph” as that helps choosing the right lens. The right one doesn’t have to be the most expensive, but the one that captures the expression one is after. Btw congrats on the M3 and DR rigid. Fantastic combo!
@@btonelli When Leica was owned by the Leitz family, then Leica cameras and Leitz Lenses was expensive (handmade), but today Leica is over hyped and much too expensive (machine made) !
@@cameraprepper7938 I’ve been to their HQ/ factory twice. I can assure you even with utilising modern technology to make lenses, each station is watched over and worked on by an actual person to maintain the highest quality possible. This isn’t some factory with robots. It’s still very manual throughout the process. Value is subjective, but seeing what they do daily I can’t knock the quality.
@@btonelli In the 1980´s and the 1990´s I arranged guided tours to the old Hasselblad factory (after the Leitz era), some of the photographers that visited the Hasselblad factory had also visited the Leica factory at the same period, they was much more impressed with the work at the Hasselblad factory than the Leica factory, so I have reference to quality work, I do NOT believe that Leica do it better today !!! So today Leica is just much too expensive, much too overrated and much too hyped !
I almost think the more exciting Voigtlander 28mm is the LTM version of the f/2.8. You know it’ll be free of fungus, haze, and oil on the blades, and it’d be a nice small kit on an old IIIc or such. You have to choose between a meter and a 28mm viewfinder for the shoe, tho…
I think still worth more than the Voigtlander :) Didn’t have access to one for the review unfortunately, but if the Voigtlander is already close to the ASPH then I’m guessing it’s prob on par if not slightly more corrected
Thanks for you answer! like half a year ago I was searching for a 28mm, eventually ended up with the V4, where I live, the voigtlander is 700,- euro and the V4, a good looking version I got for 900,- It is a bit bigger, 46mm filter @@btonelli
@@btonelli thanks for your quick answer. I learn something today. I have an M7 and M10 (yes, ☺️) and the handling is far better and similar with this big dial.
@@tafar-jk1dy no prob. Yes it’s much better and prefer the TTL M6 for this reason. Also its newer so any small updates they made internally are in this vs the classic M6
always pleasant to listen to Bobby . I wish - AS ALWAYS to see less Bobby and MORE gear with voice over . cause every time B fleshes some goods we gotta hit pause in order to peruse . cause we know it'd be quick. think folks would share this observation of mine . cheers @georges_angeles
Incredible what Voigtländer is building these days. Thanks for the great review
Thanks for watching greatly appreciate it.
Your review is spot on. I have the Leica Elmarit 28/2.8 and I shot thousands of images with it using the M11. Every image is impeccably sharp and top notch IQ. It's a gem of a lens. Anything that come close to it and smaller is worthy of consideration.
Indeed. I’ve been tempted to get the cron but can’t justify the added expense
I've recently bought the Elmarit 28 which only happens to be one of my grail lens for my M6 and M11 and I gotta say I absolutely love it with what you've mentioned - the sharpness and the lack of overall vignetting like I previously shot with a Voigt Ultron 28mm I borrowed from a friend.
I have both the Leica Summilux-M 28 and Elmarit-M 28. They’re both impressive lenses on the SL2, M11, and M11 Monochrom. The Summilux-M is a bit bulky and heavy on the M cameras, but manageable. I had a Q2 Monochrom and loved the look of a Summilux 28, but I also wanted a compact 28 as well.
I bought a few Voigtländer lenses a few years ago (Super Wide-Heliar 15 mm f/4.5, Color-Skopar 21 mm f/3.5, and Nokton Classic-M 35 mm f/1.4) but sold them, as I didn’t appreciate their character at the time. Since then, I bought a used Voigtländer Nokton 35 mm f/1.2 VM I and a new Nokton 75 mm f/1.5 VM. The former is soft, but gives me a completely different look compared to my Leica Summilux-M 35 FLE I and APO-Summicron-M 35. The Nokton 75/1,5 is much smaller and lighter than my Noctilux-M 75 mm f/1.25 (it’s worth keeping both).
I shoot with the 28/2 & 35/2 Ultron II's with 35 being my main driver and just love them.. Thanks Bobby...
Great combo
@@btonelli I agree.. My only other lens is a Zeiss 50/2 Planar and looking to replace it with something, but not sure what. Suggestions?
Because the absence of distortion is important in two areas of my work, the Elmarit-M is the winner, especially coupled with corner to corner resolution and less vignetting. But as a pocket-handy shooter on either the iiif or Standard, a neat little Colour Skopar would do the trick. I'll try them on in the shop, before deciding. Thanks for this, cheers, Kevin 👌
Own ultron 28 2 (version II) and use it for both personal and commercial work. Have owned two variants of the summicron 28 and elmarit 28, and sold them for the ultron.. as they don’t even come close to the ultron. Used the extra money to feed my family.
Valid points and that is why the Ultron is a beast of a lens. Voigtlander said these color skopar versions are the same optics but for the negligible price difference not sure why some would go for the 2.8.
@@btonellifor the LTM black paint with the nickel hardware. The LTM is still adaptable to the M and is tiny on a black paint M2 / MP
I'm mostly intrigued for the sake of the ltm version: it focuses closer, appears a bit smaller, and would be a DREAM lens on a Leica iii. But I appreciate this review!
The ltm version is nice and the build quality is better than this
The ltm version doesn't focus closer - it's the other way round. Maybe you confused it with LLL 8e?
@@thelonious1634 yeah, I realized that the other day. I wish I was right! Lol
The best 28mm lens I’ve used is the old Ricoh GR 28mm f2.8 ltm lens. That is one lens I’ll never sell. The colors and sharpness it produces is fantastic.
That’s an amazing lens
Voigtlander recent releases are amazing, thanks for reviewing! I actually do love this design more than previous Voigtlander designs, given I never liked that steel rim they have, especially on black lenses. This design is very clean, similar to the Leica Steel Rim remake almost, or the 40mm summicron / Rokkor. Rendering wise, Voigtlander lenses have been amazing. I have the Nokton 35 f1.4 and prefer it to the Steel Rim Remake. A lot of fans out there of the 50mm Nokton f1.5 too, although I never tried it. Makes little sense to choose Leica lenses (unless you really need to have everything Leica) when Voigtlander is releasing such amazing lenses (even in LTM!)
Yes they have really done a good job over the past few years. I’m glad they have moved away from that steel or chrome rim they did on black lenses. Never liked that.
Leica lenses still have superior build quality and optics but there is no denying Voigtlander has made great strides in the optics department and coming close to the respective Leica counterpart
It's hard to argue with the value proposition that Cosina's Voigtländer lenses offer. (The addition of the hood and a cap to cover it is nice, too.) Not to mention the range of Voigtländer glass they're producing across mounts. It's just a pity that they're not making any new Zeiss ZM glass; those optics were definitely a cut above.
I'd be very interested to learn how the new Voigtländer 50mm f/1.0 for Z mount does on a Z8 body with 45MPs. Eyeballing that as a FF walk around set up.
Yes they really offer a great value. I agree it’s a shame they aren’t making any new ZM lenses.
When I get my hands on that lens will definitely be doing a review :)
I hope Voigtlander make a 28mm f1.5 ASPH lens that's like their great 35mm f1.5 ASPH and 50mm f1.5 ASPH II. That would be very exciting as the 28 f2 Ultron and 2.8 Skopar are very nice but I like fast lenses, Cosina have found a way to balance size, performance, price, and a pleasing image rendering in many of their recent lenses.
That would be a banger of a lens and would be popular if they made it. Fingers crossed 🤞
The only thing I can think of is the size which can make the whole package (Leica M) as compact as possible.
Yes very compact
I think it's a perfect cross-platform lens due to the weight, length and pricepoint. I'd like to use it casually and stopped down on the TL2 as a 42mm, a 28mm on the M6 (or S1R), and a 56mm on the GM5.
It’s definitely good cross platform
Yup. Get the current 28mm f/2 Ultron and never think about another M-mount 28mm ever again.
Except when they come with the close focusing 28 haha 😂
Ultron already goes to 0.5m. In terms of M (Messsucher - rangefinder) that is already closer than you can use it. ;) @@btonelli
If Leica brings one out, maybe even closer if they follow the 35 APO standard. Never know :)
Hello!! I always like your lens reviews.....I would be REALLY interested in hearing your opinions of the Type 1 vs the Type 2 and the Elmarit.....!!
Have a great day!!
CC
Thank you 🙏
Let me try and get those. Not easy to find for review
This was the comparison I was looking for
Thanks! appreciate you watching the vid
If I were to spend more money on a 28mm than this new Voigtlaender, I would probably go for the Zeiss 28mm f/2.8 Biogon T*, that lens is as sharp and as well corrected as the Elmarit, and you can even stack two filter without vignetting. I already have the Elmarit though...
Also a good lens. Hard to come by now though and from what I understand Zeiss stopped making M Mount lenses
@@btonelliZeiss and Voigtlaender are essentially the same company, both brands for M mount are exclusively manufactured by Cosina, meaning that Zeiss and Voigtlaender M mount lenses are made in the same factory. B&H has the Biogon readily available, no back order.
Yes some markets still sell them. Here in Singapore no more
106g Voigtlander on the Leica CL makes for a very light travel setup (although it's not 28mm on the crop sensor a 40mm equivalent is arguably a better street focal length).
Yes it’s a good combo
A 28 mm lens is mostly set to F4~F5.6. It would have been nice to have had a same scene comparison. As an ergonomics review, this was a good one, but TBH, not very informative so far as IQ is concerned. If money is no object, the Leica lenses are unbeatable, but as in engineering a design engineer would always ask this question from himself, can I have 90% of the peformance of the best at 70% of the cost, and in the case of this Voigtlander lens the answer is a resounding yes.
Understand your perspective on this review. As I mentioned with compression and take into factor manual focusing it’s actually hard to see much of the differences on RUclips. You really need to pixel peep to notice much difference and at 5.6 it’s even lesser. What you will see is slightly better colors out of the leica and slightly brighter. Build quality also better. Is it worth the price difference to the Elmarit? That’s an individual decision
I agree with you. I also think that comparing the results from different lenses on a screen is rather futile. They should be compared in prints, where if my experience is anything to go by, you'd be hard pressed to see much difference in sharpness between different well designed and corrected lenses. I also think that as far as Leica M cameras are concerned size is a deciding factor. I have a couple of 50mm F2.8 and F3.5 Elmars, a couple of 35mm F2.8 Summarons for my M2 and M3 and also a 35 F1.4 ASPH Summilux, and a Zeiss Planar 50mm F2 ZM. The most enjoyable lenses from my point of view are first the Summarons, then the Elmars and then the Summilux and last the Zeiss depite this having a stellar perfomance from every angle. Leica M cameras lend themselves to small lenses, where the Elmarit has a clear advantage over the Cron or the Lux. Thanak you for engaging with me. @@btonelli
Thanks for commenting. I agree prints are the best way to see results vs on a screen. Perhaps I’ll try to add that factor into reviews in the future.
I have 28 Elmarit asph, but I would much prefer voightlander lens hood over elmarit lens hood. Elmarit lens hood meaningless large for no reason imo
Understand. I like the Elmarit one as I like square hoods but more for aesthetics
I love to use the 28mm focal length for landscapes.
I do not have a 28mm lens for my Leica M6 and M10.
I have been considering buying a 28mm f/2.8 for my Leica rangefinders.
The Leica 28mm f/2.8 is 3x the cost of the Voigtländer 28mm f/2.8.
Based on the images in this video, the images are not 3x better.
Fair statement and true. They aren’t three times better
I have the 28 mm voigtlander for my nikon film/digital cameras. Like the 58 mm, it is STUNNING. I would never use a 28 mm for a portrait, ie head and shoulders/torso because of the unflattering compression. What I use it for is street and there it lives at f/8, 11, 16 for zone focusing. Let me guess, there is NO difference between the Leica and the voigtlander there. I have never shot it wide open. If I want bokeh, I switch to at least a medium tele like an 85. I expect color rendition, micro contrast, 3D pop, and even sharpness should be really close at those apertures.
Hey Bobby, I'm thinking of trading my Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron version 1 to this new 2.8 version but I can't make a decision. Is the size and weight much smaller compared to the f2 or is it better to stick with the Ultron? Thanks
It’s smaller for sure and definitely lighter by almost half but are you okay going to a 2.8? What about the ultron II?
Another great video Bobby, I would personally for the Voitland I like the looks and the f2
Thanks John! Much appreciated. Yes the f2 is more preferred
Do Singapore has the Hasselblad XCD 28mm F4 and have you tried it yet?
No I don’t think so. I haven’t tried it yet unfortunately.
@@btonelli I see, hope you able to try it soon, seem like a going to be very popular and demanded lens! I hope they will release a 24mm lens because it is the new standard focal length with a lot smartphones use it now too, sometime I find 28mm is too narrow for day to day use, 26mm is better, 24mm is even better, now this surprised and sudden release of FF equivalent of 22mm of this 28mm F4 lens that I didn't heard any rumor and previously knew is going to be even better for me! I'm going to get it if I going to get the X2D! I'm very happy that they release this lens!
It’s brighter because VL lenses have very heavy vignetting at f2.8.
I would skip the Skopar and just go for the 28 Ultron. There’s no better small 28 than that. The Ultron is already so small. This Skopar is all about the LTM mount guys. Also if you want to mount a little lens to your Fuji. But then I would just get the Fuji stuff.
The Ultron II is just a bit taller but in terms of IQ it does everything better. There’s already a pixel peeping comparison between the Ultron and the Skopar and the Ultron is better at every aperture. So why get the Skopar?
Anyone who has never shot the Ultron II. Take it from me. That lens is already TINY!
The aperture ring issue is the same as the 35 Skopar f2.5 which is why I didn’t get that lens. I for the Nokton II. It’s just like the Pre-ASPH summiluxes.
Agree, vignetting has always been part of the character of Voigtlander glass wide open.
Ultron II is the way to go
@@btonelliYea. I can’t remember where is the side by side IQ comparison but I know the Ultron II is better about everything at every aperture. This one isn’t bad; but the Ultron II is better. Cosina already made the perfect little 28mm. Look no further and just get the Ultron II.
I think this one should’ve been released in LTM mount and call it a day, but I’m sure some people will go for it. (And then eventually get sick of it, want something better and sell it). This isn’t a keeper lens for sure.
The best thing about this Skopar is the other style. The one that looks like a 28 Summaron. This lens in the LTM mount is good because is rare those guys can buy brand new LTM lenses for their film cameras.
@@carlosmcse yes the LTM looks good and feels slightly more premium.
The Ultron is the best lens for the price in the 28mm lineup for sure. Elmarit holds well considering but price to performance, Ultron
@@btonelli I just went through the same thing with 35mm. The Summicron v4 KOB and the Pre-ASPH Summilux. They’re selling for crazy prices. $3,000! So I bought the 35f1.4 Nokton II SC. It’s awesome! That is vintage perfect. If you haven’t tried it I highly recommend it. But it’s about character and charm not pixel peeping. That glow at f1.4 is amazing. After f4 very sharp but gentle like the original Summicrons. Beautiful lens.
I’ve tried that and it’s a great lens. I really like the 1.5 as well which is quite versatile from look perspective. So many good lenses now it’s tough haha
So many reviewers are intent on showing this lens wearing the “lens hood” that most of us are going to leave in the box. We want to see how compact the camera is without it!
Bobby, loved the points made in this review. Again, I subscribe to your channel because I’m a Leica shooter, and I like your presentation style. Question. Given the incredible ISO capabilities of today’s cameras across the board, does aperture really matter as much as it use to? And don’t get me wrong, I’m not downplaying the importance of higher aperture. I personally prefer fast glass for its character. But in the case of 28mm options. The Elmarit is top drawer. Sharp. Small. Lease expensive Leica 28mm option. But I own the Summaron 28mm f5.6. And using both the SL2-S and the M11 M I’ve captured some insane California coastal and sunset shots that this camera enthusiast is VERY proud of. Just my thoughts and experience. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Be Blessed, Doc Chaps
PS
I recently purchased a MINT Silver M3 and Silver 50mm f2 DR with Goggles from Fotopia. Exquisite.
Hi Doc Chaps thank you for watching and the support greatly appreciated.
Hmm aperture still does male a difference. One point like you said for character and the other of course is higher ISO performance.
Yes one can do some amazing things with software these days but that software isn’t 100 percent accurate at times and having a cleaner image to begin with helps. With that said for the 28mm focal length most won’t need a 1.4 lens. The 5.6 you have is a fantastic lens for many applications. Especially landscapes, urban photography of buildings etc where you are capturing a scene not going for depth of field.
Everyone will use these lenses differently and that’s why I always preface when answering lens choice questions with “what do you like to photograph” as that helps choosing the right lens. The right one doesn’t have to be the most expensive, but the one that captures the expression one is after.
Btw congrats on the M3 and DR rigid. Fantastic combo!
The Leica Elmarit 28mm 2.8 ASPH is not worth the money, but the Voigtländer 28mm 2.8 Color-Skopar is worth the money !
Wouldn’t say it’s not worth the money, but the performance gains compared to Voigtlander aren’t as vast as before
@@btonelli When Leica was owned by the Leitz family, then Leica cameras and Leitz Lenses was expensive (handmade), but today Leica is over hyped and much too expensive (machine made) !
@@cameraprepper7938 I’ve been to their HQ/ factory twice. I can assure you even with utilising modern technology to make lenses, each station is watched over and worked on by an actual person to maintain the highest quality possible. This isn’t some factory with robots. It’s still very manual throughout the process.
Value is subjective, but seeing what they do daily I can’t knock the quality.
@@btonelli In the 1980´s and the 1990´s I arranged guided tours to the old Hasselblad factory (after the Leitz era), some of the photographers that visited the Hasselblad factory had also visited the Leica factory at the same period, they was much more impressed with the work at the Hasselblad factory than the Leica factory, so I have reference to quality work, I do NOT believe that Leica do it better today !!! So today Leica is just much too expensive, much too overrated and much too hyped !
I guess Voigtländer was trying to cover both, the videographers and the photographers when they designed the rather loose and noiseless aperture ring.
I almost think the more exciting Voigtlander 28mm is the LTM version of the f/2.8. You know it’ll be free of fungus, haze, and oil on the blades, and it’d be a nice small kit on an old IIIc or such. You have to choose between a meter and a 28mm viewfinder for the shoe, tho…
I think you will be free of fungus and haze on all these newer lenses. Yes LTM has its place but for a more niche market
what about the elmarit f2.8 v4? yes, second hand, but the price is very close to the Voigtlander :)
I think still worth more than the Voigtlander :)
Didn’t have access to one for the review unfortunately, but if the Voigtlander is already close to the ASPH then I’m guessing it’s prob on par if not slightly more corrected
Thanks for you answer! like half a year ago I was searching for a 28mm, eventually ended up with the V4, where I live, the voigtlander is 700,- euro and the V4, a good looking version I got for 900,- It is a bit bigger, 46mm filter @@btonelli
Europe you can find some really good prices on lenses. I got my Leica R9 and 50 cron R for a fraction of what it would cost here
The speed dial on this M6, looks similar than the M7 one
It is. This is the TTL version which was the foundation for the M7. The classic M6 has the smaller dial
@@btonelli thanks for your quick answer. I learn something today. I have an M7 and M10 (yes, ☺️) and the handling is far better and similar with this big dial.
@@tafar-jk1dy no prob. Yes it’s much better and prefer the TTL M6 for this reason. Also its newer so any small updates they made internally are in this vs the classic M6
Love Voigtlander... this lens makes little sense... the Ultron 28mm f2 all the way is a better option and better bang for the buck.
Agree 💯
Elmarit.
I would go for the Ultron to get F2 .
Same
always pleasant to listen to Bobby . I wish - AS ALWAYS to see less Bobby and MORE gear with voice over . cause every time B fleshes some goods we gotta hit pause in order to peruse . cause we know it'd be quick. think folks would share this observation of mine . cheers @georges_angeles
Thanks for watching. I show the lens quite a bit here, but sometimes I’m in the frame :)