6:30 Can we have examples of that research? Not trying to be that guy, but I want to discourage people from simply saying "there's a good amount of research" instead of showing the actual research.
if you want to get a decent overview and answers to some objections, i'd also recommend innuendo studios' video response to a specific study on cultivation theory: ruclips.net/video/AqxEFNFOVTw/видео.html
@UC9pBCHXmr95VMLVJVRNm3-A wait, are you really trying to argue that media consumption doesn't shape behavior? Are you aware that there's an entire industry built around getting people to change their opinion on a product just by consuming media?
And I'll just come in with some of my own comments on this as a political science PhD student, the idea that "media effects attitudes" is pretty widely accepted. I'd highly recommend taking a look by Shanto Iyengar in particular. Pretty much just go to his Google Scholar page, throw a dart, and you'll probably hit something about media effects. I'd recommend his book "Media Politics: A Citizen's Guide", though the relevant chapter for this (the chapter on agenda setting, framing, and priming") is just like one chapter so probably not worth the money unless you really want a lot on political media: www.amazon.com/Media-Politics-Citizens-Guide-Third/dp/0393937798 Jeremiah Garretson also has a new book out on the development of LGBT rights that includes media effects, finding that the increasing levels of positive portrayals of LGBT figures in media were a big push for more positive attitudes towards LGBT individuals (especially through encouraging said people to come out). That would be this book here: www.amazon.com/Path-Gay-Rights-Activism-Changed/dp/1479850071
@@gentlebaguette218 That's not exactly the same thing, what you are refering to is marketing built to exploit biological sensory bias. Looking at red lips and wanting to kiss them is an example of this, but seeing someone getting raped on TV and wanting to do the same, isn't, for there isn't an exploitable instinct to rape. That's why I still don't believe that this brainwashing you speak of exists, or at least not in the way you think. The first study cited by Romantic shows that only a 25% changed opinions. I do not consider that strong enough evidence. At best you could say that there's a 25% chance that it will change their behaviour. And I also think that Argo and Zero Dark Thirty were horrible choices for a movie. Both of those movies are based on real historical events. It would be like showing someone a documentary about dogs and asking them what they think of them afterwards. Your stance on a subject is bound to change if you study what you think is based on empirical data.
@@thepedanticromantic2515 Your concerns are fair, but not showing the people who make these arguments doesn't do you any favours. Makes it seem as if you were strawmanning their arguments. And I would add that feminists don't care about men, but the movement is so divided I'm sure *some* must advocate for men's rights as well. In my experience, feminism has always been the fight for *women's* rights only. To them, Men can't be opressed, and even if they were, women have it worse so it doesn't matter... Then again, if you go and tell them that women in other countries have it worse, *then* they argue that advocating for smaller issues doesn't negate their cause. And I thought doublethink was impossible to practice in real life. But I digress. Personally I haven't met a single feminist who fights for men's rights, and those who acknowledge them blame *us* for them and tell us to start our own movement (Which they then protest once we do make it a thing), but if you *have* met people like that, cool. However, I just wanted to point out that the reason we think that way about sex isn't "the patriarchy", but biology. Without getting too much into it, sex is much harder to get for boys, and we have a higher sex drive because our strategy, as opposed to women's, is to reproduce as much as possible. As a result, boys are praised when they lose their virginity, even when it isn't consensual. I'm not justifying it, I think that sucks, but blaming men for this is disingenuous, and an indirect form of victim blaming, if you're the type who thinks boys contribute to the patriarchy whether they're conscious of it or not.
- Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you. And I don’t want to hear “lol triggered” if you felt “triggered” enough to respond to me.
@@Knightfall8 I didn’t. It’s just that this format of supposedly calling attention to hypocrisy is just one of the ways people hate on fans of something. By the way, hypocrisy isn’t a valid argument, because you don’t necessarily know that the contradictory arguments aren’t being said by two different subsection MPs of people, which they usually are. No fan community is a monolith, and writing off arguments because they contradict each other is you missing out because, including in this case, each argument holds some water. You CAN largely control the media you consume, but you should also be prepared to try something you might not like, if you’re up for it. Honestly, in my original comment I was going easy on you. I didn’t even get into how hating on fandoms is a form of ableism, but even people who call themselves progressive don’t want to hear that.
@@diamondminer5459 my apologies, on a surface read it looked like you were indeed responding to something different, but now I see what you mean. I appreciate you taking the time to clarify!
What I find extremely troublesome is this "It's okay in Japan" mentality. It seems like people tend to view Japan as this weird alien entity that doesn't know any better and only really appreciate it for the pop culture. Kind of like how we love rap music but don't care about its roots in black culture or what the artists were actually trying to convey. I'm left with the impression that it really is more about the product than the people.
Well, it is alien to most of us, and that's exactly why we shouldn't be so prejudiced. +Afuture V Every product is connected to people, often times exactly because those people care about it. Liking a product that indirectly hurts people isn't so great.
It is funny. Here in America (For Video Games). We hate sexism but love extreme gore. In Japan (For Video Games), they are okay with some to zero gore, but are not ashamed of sexuality. Pushing our beliefs to westernize other people who are not already westernized. Nice. Ha ha ha ha. Just like Religion. lol
It's very normal for people to get defensive at first when something they like is criticized. A lot of people have a negative association with anyone criticizing media or expression as something harmful. I think it's something that people get more comfortable and on board, with the more, they are exposed to it in a way that disarms them. The fact that Pedantic had to state that she does in fact like the show and how that doesn't mean you can't find problems a thing shows that these people probably aren't familiar with how to take a social justice lens to media criticism. I'm sure that if people keep making videos like this and explaining things eventually more and more people will come around. People just need to be a little more empathetic and patient with each other.
It's nice that someone can talk about the more problematic parts of anime without getting harassed and labelled as an sjw feminist, there is a real issue with consent in Japan treated as a joke.
@Elijah Clayton not when the fiction reflects what people go trough everyday. Imagine living in a country where you're constantly in danger and then you turn on the tv to see it all over again in a manner that makes fun of it.
@Elijah Clayton these things are not mutually exclusive, they can exist at the same time. It would be a parody if the butt of the joke was the *rapist* but sadly that's (almost) never the case. There's a difference in something being a parody and making fun of a horrible situation. The second te victim gets made fun of and ridiculed it stops being acceptable, especially in some animes directed at children/young teens since it teaches the wrong behaviour and makes it seem like it's not serious. There's a reason why movies/games/etc with such themes (murder, rape, terrorism, ...) are directed at older audiences, because they can (and should) understand the severity of the situation. Anime often has rape "jokes" and scenes even in shows for preteens and it is definetly part of the problem why it's so normalized here.
I really don't get how "Men get assaulted too" in any way refutes the argument. Yes, it is totally correct. But implying that saying women shouldn't be sexually assaulted is equivalent to saying men should be is deluded.
I think it's more along the lines of some weird sense of equality, like saying "Why only complain about it regarding one side of the population when it affects both sides" or worse, "you think that's an instance of women being treated as non-equal when really that's not the case; we men have the same problems, see?"
The point is a criticism of focus. If a problem is not particular to one gender then focusing the conversation about it exclusively on one gender betrays a certain ideological bias. >But implying that saying women shouldn't be sexually assaulted is equivalent to saying men should be is deluded Blatant strawman
In my experience, when men respond to discussions of the issues women have to go through by saying something like, "But men have to go through stuff too!", they're not actually trying to improve the situation for men, they're just trying to shut down conversation and checkmate their "SJW" boogeymen. That's what kills me about MRAs and their ilk. They're not entirely wrong that men face some real issues in our society. But they're just too focused on winning some competition against feminists to actually do anything about it. And that's not even getting into the fact that practically all the problems men face are caused NOT by feminists, but by the same societal forces that feminists are fighting against.
6:30 yes, i completely agree. I was in early teens when I started to get into anime, I'm a female, and I thought. That. Sexual harassment was hot. Rape trope, forcibly kissing, backing up against the wall, etc. And then surprise surprise, some of those happened to me and I Didn't Like It. I felt wrong, disrespected, objectified, and generally like I'm not human being. But those misconceptions I had was the one that brought me into the situation, was the way of thinking that made me confused, because why being forced by people don't make me feel desired, but instead disgusted? So maybe anime is just anime, a 2D moving picture, but they fckin affect real life, just by affecting people's idealization and thoughts
Jason Hymes Imagine being so upset about someone merely existing and having a trait about themselves they can’t control that you go generalizing their entire community and be incredibly rude and disrespectful. Can’t relate.
I went back to the first video and edited my accidental use of wrong noun. It's great to have more and more anime critics who aren't too lost in rules of weebverse to remind viewers about how off-putting something is.
nah theres lots of lgbt people in the anicommuntiy.... not everyone is just out in the spotlight or speak out abt it because of comments like Jason Hymes lol
I hate when people are like "you're just looking at this from a western view" Like somehow people in other countries are a completely different species and don't have basically the same moral codes... No one is cool with being sexually harassed, raped/molested, or demeaned in any way... Women in the West (or specifically in America), tend to have a more outspoken stance than others, but when women in some other countries are killed for even speaking about it, and it doesn't even matter if it's someone in the spotlight, it causes some to just silently take the abuse.
I really hate how many, infinitely, Aime fans for dismiss this criticism say: well Japanese mentality is different So? Is this a resolution? Is still bad, it doset resolve anithyng. Thank you for these videos, even if is really late, i still love them. Hope you are well^^
There is a problem of making light of sexual harassment in the industry, and it's never going to get better unless it's addressed. I'm willing to look past alot for alot of series, Hisone to Masotan and Uma Musume being two big examples from this year, but not everyone can nor should they. You're doing really good work pointing all this out, if even it's only the slightest chance it might actually reach the audience that needs it most.
Making light of sexual harassment... People will say something. Making light of violence... People won't say anything. I hope people do NOT defend one over the other. If they do, then I see their contradiction. There are genuine Feminists, but there are also Feminatzis. lol
I hope it never will. We already see the comic industry dying in America, because of all the SJW non-sense you guys cursed it with. Sales in an all time low. Comic book stores are closing. And it's not because comics are a dying medium. Anti-sjw comics, and comics made by comicsgate are in a high sale, making big profit. SJW influenced TV shows are dying, movies with SJW mindset are scoring low (except for the shill critics on rotten, giving them high scores, while the audience score reflects the reality much better. SJW influenced video games are dying. Telltale games is closing down. SJW mindset is killing companies from the inside. What do you want? You want to kill the anime industry too? SOCIAL JUSTICE DOES NOT SELL! Get woke. Go broke.
@@NaNa-ou1sg Why did you bring up Black Panther all of a sudden? Are you implying that it's a social justice movie? It's not. It just has a majority black cast. Which is obvious for a story in a fictional African country, I mean... wouldn't be it a bit strange if it didn't had a majority black cast? That doesn't make it a social justice movie. It would be, if black people where still rare because of race reasons, but it's not 1960 anymore, wake up people. Black people are just as big now as any other race. Race doesn't matter for a long time now. Only the SJWs started to hire based on race again. Basically Social Justice brought back racism, in the weirdest form possible. "You are a black person, so you can't get up the ladder alone, so here am I, a privileged white person, who can climb the ladder alone. I will help you." this is basically what Social Justice says to black people. I don't think it's as good of a movie as the SJWs say. Cos for the social justice people, Black Panther was the best MCU movie so far, which is simply not true. But it definitely brings the MCU quality level. You know which movie will be an SJW Marvel movie? Captain Marvel. That character will be modelled after the recent comic book version, which is a third wave feminist garbage. At least that's what they promised, and I really hope that's not what they will deliver.
"If you don't like it, don't watch it." That's actually a pretty good point. It's *such* a good point that I'd like to use it myself! Hey people who don't like a video about widespread issues in anime, if you don't like the video, just don't watch it! :DDDDDDDDD
While this isn't directly related, the subject of sexuality on the whole is a topic I'd like to see addressed (and address myself, actually) more in anime discussions. It often feels a bit like there's absolutely no nuance in how the topic of sexuality and whatnot is addressed in anime discussions and criticisms. It's either "I Like Tiddy, It's Good", or "Tiddies...Bad", and those are both such reductionist and boring takes that it occassionally makes me despair about what people actually think about how sexuality is portrayed in media.
@@theMoporter I would agree. I don't believe I've seen anything to that standard either- I was more exaggerating to emphasize my point and as a bit of a joke, not to imply that discouse surroundung sexuality in anime is actually that lacking in nuance.
Pedantic DESTROYS anti-feminists with FACTS and LOGIC -tho short I must say I did very appreciate your succinct dissection of the whole "video games cause violence" discussion, since I too have been guilty of using the discrediting of violent games causing direct violent acts as a broad stroke, while also being someone who generally thinks about the influencing power of media in society. Good framing of that for sure!
@@Kekkersboy This is the dumbest shit i've read on youtube, which is saying something. Not all media has the intention of changing the way you see life, boyo
The sad thing is that these people don't give a damn about facts or logic. They are purely emotion based and those emotions are fear and hatred. You can tear them down with truth all day and night I assure you they're laughing with their fingers buried in their ears.
It's called willful ignorance. Where one's fragile ego can't handle the idea of being wrong about something and protecting said ego is far more important than the truth. That any attempt to show them truth is a personal attack against them and triggers an emotional response to reject it simply for the sake of rejecting it.
I'm surprised you still have such a good thumbs-up-to-down ratio on these videos. The anti-sjw outrage machine must not have gotten wind of these videos yet.
She was pretty fair and brought up good points. There are similar videos from channels like contrapoints and shaun which also have a good like/dislike ratio. I think most people agree on what is 'fair' and 'just' but get caught up in turf warfare, trying to justify stuff they don't even agree with because it's "the other side". Even so, I imagine it's hard to get mad at a genuine attempt at discourse.
+Snowball Effect Dude, anti-sjw outrage machine standing right here man! Maybe I didn't downvote it because it's an ok video. I can disagree with him on things and still like his content overall.
Very well said! You eloquently executed your points, and I particularly found the distortion of s3xual assault induced by "boy has an accident" to be incredibly fascinating. The initial video was my introduction to your work, and I'm happy to say I really enjoy your content. -SliceofOtaku
It really annoys me when people say 'it was just an accident', like when the video shows a moment in SAO. The characters fall on top of each other and his hand happens to be there.. Pull your hand back, help each other up and you're a-okay. But instead of that he squeezes. Why.. Why would you do that? You know what just happened, you know she just fell on you, why squeeze anything instead of just getting up? He deserves to be kicked away for that. And yes, there have been enough times that a male character got abused by a female character for no reason. But these scenes are not part of that. Sorry it just really frustrates me... I'll see myself out.
By the way, @ThePedanticRomantic Is it ok to say this? I always feel kind of uneasy about complimenting publicly trans people on their appearance. I genuinely find trans girls and boys very attractive, but I know that there's a trend of fetishization of trans people. Like they can't just be people, they have to be attractive sex objects But I saw you thumb up comments sharing my sentiment, so I figured this was ok.
@@Grigori7 It's not so much a matter of their personal feelings. Those matter, obviously, but it's something else. Neo-liberal, capitalist patriarchy has this nasty tendency of warping everything to its own paradigm. If trans people become attractive as a matter of popular opinion, they become marketable as a product, just like cis women. So I'm kind of weary expressing genuine attraction without mentioning this caveat.
My first thought was "wait what about OPM was..." and then I remembered. Yeah. Yeah that was extremely uncomfortable. I think my brain blocked that out.
@@Clawdragoons It's weird that I never seem to be bothered by characters like that (Another example being Fire Emblem from Tiger and Bunny). Possibly because they're also presented as strong-willed and knowing exactly what they want, and with a willingness to throw haters the bird. Portraying minorities as suffering or as trauma-porn objects bothers me a lot more.
As a fellow trans-girl... you're shockingly good looking, to an inspiring degree. I'm sorry if that feels like it takes away from your statements somehow, but when you cut to your face my heart legitimately skipped a beat at how good looking of a girl you are. Like honestly you should show your face more often, its honest to goodness inspiring to the rest of us
I'm so glad folks like you are confronting the more reactionary parts of the anime community about things like this, thank you! Also, coming from another trans woman, you're cute and absolutely transition goals for my IRL-closeted self :P
This isn't a rebut or really any other meme. I'm writing this purely out of the enjoyment of it, I do think the response was good, just wanna expand my thoughts. I agreed with the main point in the previous video, and I like much of what you said in the first part of this video. The part about feminism I think probably wasn't elaborated on enough to convince or sway people not already on the same train of thought, and often gets in the weeds and used for many things which makes the colloquial use of Feminism kind of vague here. Not necessarily your fault, just a lot of conceptions on what it is, especially as it pertains the third wave, and I don't expect you to write a paper on modern politics, for a response video. You good. Onto the fun part! (The reason why I wanted to comment) So based on all of the research I've come across, media has little effect on people's behavior outside of their natural dispositions and opinions. If you hold one opinion, watching a lot of movies with a contrary message won't necessarily sway you. The only exception seems to be in those who are 'over-stimulated', meaning many many times the average media consumption for a long period of time, and with strong emphasis. Something like only watching really violent gorey movies and watching them all day everyday for weeks. This will likely make you somewhat more aggressive but only slightly, and under extreme watching conditions. With sexual assault, this might be a problem if the person's main introduction into relationships is through sexually abusive media, but that would be very rare (although maybe less so with anime lel). Anyways here's some fun sources that pertain more or less to media's effects on people, the correlation, unless under extreme circumstances is normally, virtually, non-existent. Here's some Gerbner to back waht I'm saying a bit; Gerbner, G. (1970). Cultural indicators: The case of violence in television drama. The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, 388(1), 69-81. Gerbner, G., & Gross, L. (1976). Living with television: The violence profile. Journal of communication, 26(2), 172-199. Gerbner, G., Gross, L., Morgan, M., & Signorielli, N. (1986). Living with television: The dynamics of the cultivation process. Perspectives on media effects, 1986, 17-40. Gerbner, G., Gross, L., Morgan, M., & Signorielli, N. (1980). The ‘‘mainstreaming’’ of America: Violence Profile No. 11. Journal of Communication, 30(3), 10-29 Other semi-relevant sources; Gurin, P., Gurin, G., & Morrison, B. M. (1978). Personal and ideological aspects of internal and external control. Social Psychology, 275-296. Shanahan, J., & Morgan, M. (1999). Television and its viewers: Cultivation theory and research. Cambridge University Press. Wilkinson, J. S., & Fletcher, J. E. (1995). Bloody news and vulnerable populations: An ethical question. Journal of Mass Media Ethics, 10(3), 167-177. Anyways! This is by no means a rebuttal, I agree with most of what you said to what I understand, or at least the sentiment behind it, I'm just a psych nerd and wanna flex my arms. This was a good response, although I don't think the point you made in the original video was off base or necessarily warranting of one. Have a good! Also feel free to not read all of this, I'm content with it falling to the void, I just felt like typing, and am having trouble writing a script for my own video!
I'm curious if those studies could translate well to the age of social media and self imposed echo chambers. There seems to be some evidence that people can sometimes shift really to the extreme and sometimes do an entire 180 if they immerse themselves into a digital echosystem. Although it might be a bit early for many studies to be there. I havent looked specifically but I remember vaguely coming across some stuff that seemed in the vicinity of this
@Bob Bobbertson These studies highlight the effects, or lack thereof, of media on the consumer. What you are talking about is an entirely different topic, but the answer is yes. As humans are naturally disposed to be group seeking, 'bubbles' and ideologies of us vs. them are easy to form within online spaces, especially regarding extreme cultural shifts. This normally can lead to definitionally "cult behavior". I hope you can see the topic you are getting at is a totally different one from media's effects on an average consumer. You are talking about cult science and group think. Sociological effects on a person, not the.psychological effects of media. very different things. So yes the studies hold up, what you are mentioning is just a different (although valid) topic entirely. For one last sort of ominous comment: "only the willing, can be hypnotized"
@Bob Bobbertson I dont know what you took away from my comment, but it's ironic, seeing what you say, because your whole posts are entirely dogmatic and contain sweeping generalization based on ignorance and arrogance. You think you know better than thousands upon thousands of experts who have devoted their life to study, just because of some faulty notion. Your remarks have no real value, are based on nothing but ignorance and personal opinion and offer no real solutions. In fact people can "explore "the internet"" and analyze trends and behaviours, people have been doing it for a while, but you were too stuck in your own echo chamber to notice it, or discarded it as something that went against your own beliefs. And seeing your other comments, you just seem like a person with just a flawed mind, and it makes sense, people with bigoted and dogmatic beliefs tend to be close minded to other ideas and to changing their own.
I find the term "feminist" to be nearly redundant because everyone has a different definition for what it means. I know people who identify as feminist and other people with very similar ideals who don't identify as such. When I hear someone say "I am a feminist" or "those gosh darn feminists", I still have no idea what point they're getting across until they elaborate on what they think "feminist" means. I wish that word would just get retired from discussion because at this point, it's easier to go right in describing your stance.
procrastinating yes what your describing is standard conservative argument technique. Feminist, global warming , liberal all have or had simple definitions. Then each of these was broadened in its use by the right to the point of making the words meaningless. Job done. Can’t talk about what you can’t take about. Giving up on the word is not the solution. Doing some research is. You have the internet. All of human knowledge is at your disposal.
Feminism isn't a bad word. Ye I agree you should go and research the word thoroughly and you'll find that the word itself has a positive meaning. Some people are just over about how some "feminist" tend to be and the term feminazis are being thrown around easily. I guess feminazis are the people that complains about irrelevant shit that doesn't rly matter like fat acceptance movement and complaining that no one wants to date them cuz they're fat. Feminism is more than that it actually wants to help people men or women to have more opportunities or rights that they maybe aren't privileged to because of their gender, like girls getting education instead of getting married at a young age.
No, it actually has a very strict definition, but it gets redefined thousand ways over just so people can deflect criticism and indulge in guilt by association.
@@airentabalanza4406 sure feminist isn't a bad word, but what procrastinating is talking about is how even feminists will fundamentally disagree with each other. gender critical feminists and choice feminists come to mind. sad to see infighting in the good fight, but this is what happens when there is no concrete enough community to make the needed bridges.
Tom Tinker feminists who are pro going aroud almost naked versus feminists that criticize any example of a woman being even slightly scantily clad is another contradiction. But yeah procrastinators point being the word when applied to actual people no longer matches the simple definition that you see when you google it online. I’ve seen some feminists claim its expanded. I’ve seen others claim it being corrupted. Some will direct your to the dictionary for defending feminism while the using a different definition from the dictionary for other words. I prefer egalitarian. I don’t see a bunch of people going around calling themselves egalitarian with contradictions in the group.
Me: Anime has a sexual harassment problem. Other people: But men get harassed in anime too- Me: I DIDN'T. *FUCKING.* *S A Y A N Y T H I N G A B O U T G E N D E R-*
Probably because a lot of people saw it as SJW pandering. A lot of anime fans seem to think Japan are very laid back when it comes to sexualisation. But if that were true then they wouldn't have Woman only trains to prevent girls getting groped.
Takumi Did Nothing Wrong the Alt-Right makes Controversies of everything even slightly liberal. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Pandering made a „response“ video already
It got controversy because his perspective on many scenes weren't how other people interpreted them. While the issues PedRo mentioned are present, others believe the show addressed them much differently. (I have a comment floating around somewhere addressing this.) Also he brought up these issues in a show that many people (including himself) think was great and led some to believe the show is worse than it is, but he addressed this very clearly this time.
I would really love it if you did a deeper dive into this subject with more research when you have time, one that explores other animes and examples of this. I love how you are doing follow up videos clearing out a lot of these arguments that fester and get repeated continually even though they can be dispelled so quickly. I am also really glad you covered this show specifically as it is good show, that’s very enjoyable and too often people will only talk about the really trashy and obviously problematic shows (which should still be talked about) whilst they ignore or defend other shows simply because they enjoyed them or think they are good. I get people are tired of anime being looked down on but trying to defend or excuse anime’s constant sexual harassment and assault problem isn’t going to help.
As long as you do not have a double standard nor contradict yourselves, like claiming Video Games/Anime cause Violence/Molestation, then all power to you. The moment it happens... The pendulum will swing against you. Ha ha ha ha. lol
Absol StoryofFiction oh I agree I think consistency matters and I have always believed games do not cause violence and I think it shows how clearly humans can understand the difference between reality and fiction. society on the whole has condemned violence and moved much more towards understanding the value of a life, however with sexual violence there seems to be a critical lack of understanding and empathy that unfortunately means people still have to point out “hey this is bad don’t do this” and it goes far beyond anime. That’s why I think it’s important to address toxic masculinity and show people especially young men what positive masculinity looks like, As well as throwing away this idea that men “enjoy” being the victims of sexual violence.
@@C.C.Cope220 Humanity has a long way to go. They still repeat what they did since their creation. I hope they are not too late before Extinction arrives. Then again, of the Angel, of the Devil, of my humanity, and of the End... Prove me wrong, humanity. Otherwise, you all are no better dead or alive, so simply cease to exist.
Absol StoryofFiction yeah absolutely and being realistic climate change will cripple, if not out right destroy human society before we can fix most of our long list of problems.
I have no idea how common it is but I knew a girl who had really shitty views on consent and she was obsessed with anime for a while, watched several hundreds of them, including a lot that played sexual harassment off as a joke. She would touch other girls without their consent frequently (e.g. slapping their butts, trying to raise their shirts in public, even pinned a girl down once and kept her from getting up) and then try to justify it by saying she's straight. This is not really something you left out as I don't think it relates to the show you talk about, just something to mention within the larger talk about sexual harassment in anime. Sexual harassment/assault between girls in anime is often either played for laughs (often with presumed straight girls groping each other), sexualized (e.g. one of the scenes in Yurikuma Arashi. It later appears in a flashback of romantic-sexual moments of the two girls too) or brushed under the rug quickly (Strawberry Panic). Unchallenged sexual harassment in anime is a problem no matter the gender of the people involved and I hope to see less of it.
“And if you’re gonna say ‘Male Feminist White Knight-ing, I’m a trans girl so no.” Actual fucking POWER MOVE Also this discussion on sexual harassment in anime was very well constructed! You’ve earned a new subscriber, I always enjoy a good analysis on media’s effects/reflections of real life. Looking forward to checking out your other content and new stuff!
I love that you are doing these follow up videos! It definitely makes it feel more like a discourse, especially in the way you respectfully respond to respectful counterpoints.
Totally irrelevant comment but This is the first time I've seen your face in a video and OMG you're so cute! Your little swoop of bangs also really suits you and frames your face well. Are you planning on growing your hair out? If you aren't sure, an undercut might be a good compromise for letting your hair be as long as you want while 'feeling' short.
god damn you're so pretty and your smile is so cute, we love a well educated queen calmly addressing comments on the last video to keep raising awareness of the problem of sexual harassment in anime. also your nails are done really nicely I wish mine were that nice ;-;
i’m glad you made a follow up video, this subject needs to be talked about more! i really hope you do make the video on how queer characters often get mistreated in anime, because i usually see little to no people talk about that said subject. anyways great video! also you look great!
I left like a 6 paragraph comment explaining my issues with it in detail, though I only really disagreed with her broader points about sexual harassment in media; I actually agreed with her points about Dragon Pilot as a show in particular falling prey to those tropes was a shame and was shooting itself in the foot, since it otherwise addressed sexual harrassment and biases being a problem , so it was wasted potential.
If you consider the core problem to be: "Sexual assault has no place in anime" then I disagree. I think ANY topic has a place in media and can be treated as respectfully or as tone deaf as the authors want. It is in the audience to interpret the media and make their own judgement. You can treat a sensitive topic in a tactful way and some people will still get the wrong message. Also I'm not saying: "Sexual assault HAS to be in every anime", I'm just saying it has a right to be. I personally hate, hate, the "OH, I saw you naked/groped you accidentally, whoops" trope.
I'll say this... If you put up your wall, then I too am allowed to put up that same wall. Even if you hate it. Should you stop me, then your wall must fall too. Otherwise, this is pointless and a waste of time. Ha ha ha ha. Regardless, the contradictions are lovely, for those who say otherwise...
Holy crap! I fell in love with your videos when you did one on Wandering Son. As a trans guy the story itself always held a tender place in my heart and hearing you discuss something that meant so much to me in a way that was both understanding and clearly just as loving- well the long and the short of it was that I cried like a little baby. I know you have alluded to being a trans in the past, but I don't like to assume and put labels on people. Hearing you say it outright means a lot to me, as I'm sure it does to other trans folk. I've liked your videos from the start thanks to the angles you approach and the subjects you decide to cover, but it also means a great deal to me that you're so openly LGBT. Keep doing you, I can't wait to see more.
@ThePedanticRomantic This video needs to be shown in schools & public places. Thank you for this. I just shared part 1 of this video and asked my friends to hit like on it. Didn't know there was a part 2. Please keep making these specific topic, friend. This normalization of gRape culture in anime NEEDS to STOP. If not, then we keep criticizing japan for it. Let's see how long they can endure global castigation.
It’s the first tine I see you. You are beautiful! Not that it matters how you look, but you got so much hate for such a great video on such an important topic that I thought a heartfelt complement might brighten your day a bit.
even if its part of a culture it can still be wrong. In africa young girls get cut as part of their culture, its painful and disgusting and wrong regardless. culture is not an excuse
You really need to stop ending your otherwise reasonable disagreements on calling people close minded. You're shrinking your room for open discussion. I think most people's points were that if a person takes away something like an attitude more likely to commit sexual assault from anime, the fault falls on that person... not the anime. Specifically in reference to the lumped "Video games don't cause violence" section.
I think I know exactly the argument she was responding to with that section, and no that person was literally just saying 'If games don't cause murder, anime can't cause sexual assault'
@@thepedanticromantic2515 While I don't doubt somebody claimed that and you're right to disagree with them, my point is that the blame falls on the consumer for coming to conclusions like "sexual assault is ok" rather than blaming the show for displaying it. People that come away from fiction thinking it's okay to hurt people are making an enormous critical decision making error that can't be even partially placed on the developer of the media.
@@XenfareSpades a large part of the blame does fall on the consumer, but if a show portrays something as good and effective it's going to result in more people coming to that conclusion. So the blame should be shared
"Video Games cause violence.", this has been proven wrong over many years in America, but hay, change the words, "Anime cause molestation.", and now we agree on that?! Ha ha ha ha. How amusing. Repeat history, why don't you.
literally just found this channel a few minutes ago and We Stan fr though it’s so cool to find more folks who enjoy/watch anime but criticize its problematic parts in smart and thoughtful ways? not to mention how excited I am to find more trans YTers to support!! keep up the great work, sis! 💕💕
Found this video and the last one pretty interesting (especially having recently watched the series in question), so definitely hope you’re able to expand on the topic in the future.
This stuff has been bothering me for a while now in one form or another. Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. It is a conversation that needs to be had.
Oh. I gotta say I did *not* expect that webcam shot. I'm glad you did a follow-up after the shitstorm that part of the reception of it was. Necessary conversation.
I respect your opinions, and I think your points have merit. I agree, the sexual harassing pervert trope is really annoying in anime. But I just can't agree that media as a whole influences people's actions. While yes the media can change our opinions and outlook on life, at the end of the day, people have agency. Someone using the excuse, that their favorite pervert anime character caused them to go out groping women on trains, is lazy at best. (Much like playing video games causes a kid to shoot up a school)
Soso- Chan The media does not make people do things. But it has and will always shape cultural ideas. To suggest otherwise would just be historically fraudulent. If media has no power, why was fascist propaganda so effective in WWII?
@@Gravitynaut I'm not a historical expert, so take my opinions with a grain of salt. I can't tell you why Nazi Germany's hateful propaganda was so effective back in world war 2. I only wanted to defend other people's art, and I think there should be no limits to how one expresses themselves, even if I dislike it. That being said, dontcha think there's a huge difference between perverts in anime, and literal hate speech from genocidal fascists who blame a group of people for a country's shortcomings?
Soso- Chan the principle is the same. media will always have an effect on the way we view things. seeing things like harassment and abuse not treated with the seriousness they require may not make someone an abuser, but it does reinforce ideas and concepts. Writers have a responsibility to acknowledge and accept that. If they do not, any criticism they receive for more or less directly contributing to rape culture is entirely justified.
Gravitynaut Not really imo Art and propaganda are two completely different things. One uses the media to tell a story, the other uses media as a soap box to preach messages. Can both be criticized? Of course they can! However I am of the belief that there should be no limits to creative freedom, and I shall hold that belief until the day I die. A person has the right to joke about sexual harassment just as much as another person has the right to say the joke isn’t funny or in bad taste. And anyone who puts the blame on anime for their actions is most likely socially inept. (Which probably explains why the anime community is so toxic lol) Edit: also to preface I’m all for content warnings for people who can’t handle certain subject matter.
Soso- Chan We may view art and propaganda to be different but more often than not, both art and propaganda can be interchangeable. That said, Japan does have a sexual harassment problem. There are people in Japan that believes that men are entitled to groping women on trains because apparently men are incapable of restraining themselves and it’s their nature to grope them. So rather than anime shaping the culture, it looks more like culture that is shaping the anime industry. Women are also seen to be incomplete if they aren’t married and have children.(Yes, this is an actual thing that is said by the interviewer during a job interview) There’s also a case where a top medical university in Japan purposely lowering the marks of women taking their entrance exam by 20 points and says that they have full discretion to do it. Apparently nothing was done to punish this university.
I just wanted to mention, that I think you did a great job with theese videos. You really just presented the facts about the whole problem so that anyone watching can see for themself, why this is bad (or well, they should in theory)
Like violence in video games. lol And yes, these are the same based on the video's logic. In the sense that... "Children" blur the line between fiction and reality. That said, no matter how grim or how light hearted a subjected may be. To ban such subject, is to ban all subjects. History has proven that many times. When one bans freedom, I wonder what will happen.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 That's unfair. I don't even agree with the video but PR never said we should *ban* this type of content. Just said it wasn't good. It's totally within the rights of anybody to dislike content for any reason and to push for art not to go in that direction. You're really blowing things out of proportion with this "banning freedom" talk
@@XenfareSpades You would be surprised that there are people who will do what I just mentioned. lol I have no problem about talking about it. I simply hate those that take action because of it. Say what you want, in the end, it is not your choice to make. For that is Art.
Another great video about anime and sexual harassment? Supporting and reevaluating previous claims and arguments? All done a by a super insightful and LGBTQ RUclipsr? I think I’m in love!
To me it's supposed to be a joke most of the time like how in american television girls get to punch boys and the audience is supposed to find that funny, it's obviously wrong to do in real life which is why the shock value makes it comedic. So to me either both are okay or neither are okay.
Actually I don't know about you, but I found the comments in the other video to be pretty civil and also quite interesting in the arguments they bring (also the ones in this video) I was pleasantly surprised.
I went through months worth of RUclips history to find this video because you look so much like my old boss and I just had to see again to make sure 😂 rest assured I subscribed 💖
I applaud and commend you for your brilliant and well written response! I agree that this is a topic that can be talked about for hours and I appreciate you bringing it up on your platform. I’ve enjoyed this month of your videos immensely and can’t wait to see what you do in future!
6:43 Okay, so you say we don't exactly know how media effects us, yet you also say that sexual harassment in anime is problematic, and insinuate that because it was shown to be a good thing in Hisone to Masotan, that means people will assume its a good thing in real life. If assault, a far more heinous and prevalent crime in media, is shown to be rewarded in media sometimes, then why is sexual harassment seen as problematic when it is shown in the same light. Now I personally don't think either should be shown as rewarding in media, but if your going to argue that we are affected by the media we consume in some way, then that means that we are influenced by the assault shown in some series in the same way we are influenced by the sexual harassment shown in others. If a series shows sexual harassment in a good light, and that makes us more prone to it, this also means that if a series shows assault in a good light, we are also prone to it in the exact same way.
Your channel is actually really good. For some reason i thought you were a Digi associate at first, so i never subbed. No idea why, i guess i was hate watching one of his vids and saw a rec for you and thought you were one of his minions lol Glad i gave this vid a chance, i love your content :)
It's pretty obvious that characters that do overtly sexually harass someone are painted in a negative limelight, a narrative of sorts considering how badly the girls usually take it. The implication to me seems to be "this is creepy and doesn't work so stop it"
The other options are the characters act according to the critics moral sensibilities and there would be no conflict, which would be boring or the story would resolve itself in a way to imparts the message they want, which is asking for propaganda. Its a weird moral critique rather than an artistic one.
benblue3 and then there is the totally oblivious main character who for some reasons constantly gets into situations most people would already call the police on him wich gets resolved into the main girl slapping him EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. till it’s not even funny anymore (wich it wasn’t in the first place). Heck, Cyborg Kuro-Chan makes fun of this trope by making the cat drive a motorcycle through a bath to catch up to the chased schoolbus (it’s a long story) and when the biker asked why he did that the cat responded that it’s because of the writers deep urges
3:47 There is a whole genre of anime that backs those four lines up; known as harems. 6:09 How often do your legs hurt? That walk to your kitchen looks painful! Love your videos! Keep em 20/10s!!!
thank GOD for continuing to address this issue-- it bothers me SO GD MUCH that pervs are supposed to be funny and rewarded in anime! Even finding a handful of people who feels the same way (such as in the comments of this video) is refreshing and makes me feel like I'm not going insane. Keep being awesome!!!
Just adding to the comments that (while your analytical mind and contribution to anime discourse and specifically addressing queer issues is more important) I feel it's been a while since we've seen your face, and you are *so pretty*
>I feel it's been a while since we've seen your face, and you are so pretty Congrats on committing sexual harassment on a video that talks about sexual harassment.
not sexual harassment bc it is a respectful, heartfelt compliment with no ickiness or expectation of reciprocation, or command in it. I don't see how you could misconstrue a genuine compliment as sexual harassment. Unless you're just taking the piss out of the entire issue.
@@jam227 That's kinda like saying that going around slapping random people in the face should also be fine, since that doesn't do any lasting damage either
@@jam227 It seems like you're just honestly asking and genuinely want more discussion, so I'm going to do my best to give my two cents... (more like two dollars... sorry I can't seem to be more concise!!) First, I'll lay down some definitions: "Permanent harm" - This definitely includes any kind of coercion or physical injury. But I think there's more to it. For the sake of a hard definition, I'll say that it depends on whether the person being harassed can get out of the situation. The lack of an "escape route" is how things can become permanently harmful. If the victim has no escape (maybe it's a boss/coworker at their job, so there's no way to avoid the situation unless the harasser stops), or the harasser refuses to let the person go (maybe the setting is a bar, and the harasser follows the victim when they leave) they have crossed the line, and it turns into "permanent harm." "Light sexual harassment" - I'll just say this is making someone uncomfortable but not bringing any "permanent harm" (as defined above). So I guess, any nonviolent, non-coersive harassment that the victim can easily escape. "Excusable" - I'll just say this in reference to whether or not there should be legal repercussions. If it's excusable, it should be legal and thus not enough to warrant arrest. If it's inexcusable, it should be illegal and thus enough to get someone arrested. This is, yet again, my attempt to make a hard definition. If you take "excusable" in a moral sense... Things get way more unclear, and although it's certainly worth talking about, it is not illegal to do immoral things. It just happens that most illegal things are also immoral. I So, according to these definitions I have given... I would say that it is (and, in the legal sense, should be) excusable (yet again, I mean legally, NOT morally), for someone to "lightly sexually harass" someone. The law isn't there to prevent anyone from ever feeling uncomfortable. it's there to prevent "permanent harm." However, that does not make it morally acceptable to "lightly sexually harass" someone. You're still probably an asshole if you do that. I guess I should also make clear that flirting is not the same as sexual harassment, although it is very hard to draw the line. However, I do think that for the most part, people who claim that a lot of "harassment" is actually just "flirting" are kidding themselves. Most people can tell the difference between flirting and harassment. More fun definitions: Flirting - trying to A) show someone you are interested in them and B) convince them to like you Harassment - you A) don't care whether they're interested in you and B) just want to get them to do something, whether or not they actually like you Gosh this was so long I'm sorry. I like picking apart these sorts of things.
@@emandems94 i agree with you exactly because the nature of this offense is so variable by the individuals involved. I enjoy the mental exercise thank you for your input
Dr. Caesars Palace MD just dress them up as zombies at night and the harassers will run faster then the FBI can break down your door if you look up Platelets porn
When you said "I'm a trans girl actually, so no" I was thinking wait what? I was having trouble believing that statement, I was in some denial that you were being serious. Then the clip of you appeared and I was like "Oh, okay. Cool, now I believe you". I don't know why I felt the need to express this experience, I guess it is just an example of how people react to the news that someone is trans.
Referencing your comment about how you can like and criticize something you love at the same time. I think some folks never really learned that just because you like something doesn't mean its free from flaws that should be noted at least. For example, I adore watching Say Yes to the Dress. However, there's a truck of things I can criticize it for; unrealistic spending on dresses, antiquated notions of what's "bridal", that there's the "perfect dress"...
But people can take issue with your criticisms and think they're non-issues or blowing something out of proportion. You can't use criticism as a shield from criticism of your points.
Thank you for your effort on these videos! I just stumbled over them and I think, they're actually quite a good starting point for discussion. I mean, they're not that deep into the issue, but that would be a bottomless pit. As a starting point both videos bring up good arguments and I really love how you included some information about the situation in Japan! Because Japan is no wonderland where everything is fine. It has issues with sexual harassment, that are actually deeply routed in the mindset of people, and the feminist groups in Japan actually deserve more spotlight. In general, people tend to generalize feminists as "radical men haters", but this is sadly the case of a minority screaming way too loud....Heck, one of my professors at university was one of the greatest feminists I`ve seen, a really respectable man. To the issue with "leaving out men getting assaulted" - that topic could easily take another video on it's own, and deserves one. My guess is, that men who actually got harassed keep quiet about it because there's still the view of being a "wimp/wuss" if you couldn't defend yourself and not "being manly" enough. It doesn't matter whether other men or women are imposing this on them, but it's one of the cases when men suffer from stereotypes, but if they keep quiet (like women did) it won't change. Women fought and are still fighting for the "right" to talk, and this goes for men as well - there's just not enough time and space without writing an entire book about it. P.S. For this topic I highly recommend the TV drama "a restaurant with many problems" - it's a good show tackling these issues directly (not perfectly but a start).
Ugh I hate providing dissenting comments on videos like this; even if I'm just providing dissent for a single aside comment, I feel like you're going to disagree on principle or even shadowban me, instead of attempting to understand or address my view point. It's only what's happened to me in the past. Anyway... ... I feel like you underestimate how extremely pervasive, harmful and problematic the darker side of Western feminism is. These people have actively harassed me and caused massive psychological and social harm for many friends of mine (both male and female), at one point I even had a group of "feminists" basically try (and only halfway fail) to rape me directly claiming my personal lack of consent is "sexist" somehow; they didn't get all the way but because of the things they did manage to do to me I'm afraid to date to this day. They're a serious issue whether or not you're willing to address it, I've seen them do awful things time and time and time again all in the name of feminism and fighting the patriarchy. Yet whenever I try and directly address it with people like you, and explain why it's such a huge issue for people like me, whenever I ask the so-called "BETTER" feminists for help dealing with their own worst stock, all I get repeatedly and endlessly told is "it's not in issue bruv" - always coupled with a blunt dismissal if not an outright accusation that I'm just an anti-fem who is apparently "against equality" somehow because I just want me and my friends to stop being actively mistreated and harassed by people who frankly should already have been taken care of. And this same dismissal is the exact thing you were doing when you stated "it's just a few thousand" and therefore not a big problem; it's still a minority of you, yes, but it's a stupidly large minority that actively does a lot of distinctly negative things to a lot of very well meaning people. A minority that needs to be openly acknowledged by its own movement if things are to ever improve. And I admit, it's this same dismissive treatment which temporarily pushed me into going out and looking up the actual anti-fems, more than once; though I've since woken up and pulled away from that nonsense I know plenty people (both male and female) who made the same initial decisions I did, just... Never pulling back on them. Likewise, very often negative censorship movements and other corruptions of Western ideals are headlined by these same dark feminists you "BETTER" feminists so readily dismiss as non-existent, and they've done a lot of terrible and problematic things in both the legal and social ball park. Just because a movement desires to be against something doesn't mean it universally is, and down playing the dark side of your own movement instead of openly admitting to and addressing the problems you yourselves have caused does nothing but get people hurt. Please don't look me in the eye and tell me the dark side of your movement is "just a few thousand", "not a problem". It's not, you're wrong; saying it doesn't exist in that way is nothing but enabling their bad actions, and as previously stated, whenever someone says that I can't help but be tempted to go back to the right wing extremists. At least they offer assistance dealing with the very many darker feminists who cause an active issue in my personal life, not a good type of assistance no but for a guy being actively harassed and at one point nearly raped any kind of assistance is seen as welcome... that's a feeling all too easy for the wrong people to prey upon, hence why the right wing is slowly gaining such a grip upon the Western world. It's a feeling people like you actively create, by way of constant dismissive comments pretending your movement's darker side isn't an issue somehow and that we can just go about our merry way not addressing them. And yet whenever I try and directly address that particular issue y'all will get even more dismissive if not openly hostile and confrontational thereby worsening the aforementioned issue. The truth isn't always a happy one, I'm sorry, grow up and deal with the bad scenario before you and please help people like me do something about it before they cause even more damage. Otherwise you're part of the problem, and have proven the right wingers right in their accusations.
I also fear shadowbanning (it's happened to me a few times) I don't disagree with you on anything, so I've nothing meaningful to add. Just wanted to let you know I read what you wrote out.
The only people claiming that there are no “bad” feminists are those same bad feminists. Are you saying that anyone who identifies as a feminist (or what it actually stands for) needs to apologize for the asshole misandrists who claim all men to be sexual predators? Is that not the same thing as telling all men to apologize for the minority of men who have raped and harassed women? This is the same reason why calling all men out for the actions and comments of jackasses is completely detrimental to achieving equality. Trump or that one jackass who preaches about making rape legal on private property are individuals and examples of horrible people with sexist, racists and delusional views. They should be seen as examples of what people as a whole shouldn’t say or believe. The issue with Trump isn’t that he’s a man, it’s that he’s a horrible person with a lot of power. He wants to take away the rights of people who don’t fit the Cis-Straight identification. He LITERATELY wants to take away their rights. He wants to allow others to discriminate based on non-binary gender BY LAW! But do I turn around and tell the men in my life that they are represented by Trump and that they have to answer for his views and his actions? No. They agree that he’s a bloody psychopath and those who think he’s god’s gift to America are delusional and share his beliefs. Yes people identifying as feminists hurt you. But no way in hell will I ever reply, “um, well, there’s no bad feminists because we have a good movement, so either it didn’t happen or they had a good reason to do what they did, hmm”. No. That’s stupid. And the people that hurt you are horrible trash who deserve to be held accountable for their shitty actions. But am I going to apologize for their actions? Because I support the Me Too movement or believe that women need to be respected, have power over their own damn bodies, have access to feminine hygiene products regardless of where in the world they live, not be ostracized for bleeding every month as they are in few (but unless it’s zero, it will always be one too many) places, and that women should be able to take public transit without getting a finger shoved up their ass? No! Obviously not. I don’t represent those people. They need to be held accountable for their actions. And will very gladly act on a jury to persecute those people.
If people claim they are fighting for a "greater good" then in term anything they do is "justified" the ends justifies the means sort of thing this is the same as for people who are like antifa who almost kill people because they view themselves doing the right thing
Sorry that your experience have brought you to see feminist in a bad light, obviously what some of them tried to do to you is an inexcusable offence that is worth being brought to light and addressed as a problem that is there and is strong in certain people who follow that ideology. You can't neither minimize or maximize the problem in any way, it has it's scale of magnitude, you have a right to say that other feminist should address their problems first by themselves, it's a fair argument. Nobody should ignore you for this, beliefs must be challenged, no belief is an absolute truth or perfect, we shouldn't hate each other for anything that isn't directly harmful, and what is directly harmful should never be excused.
@@higurashikai09 You misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying feminists are personally accountable for every issue their darker half take part in. That's stupid to say, I'm not saying it. Rather, I'm saying the movement as a whole has a tendency not to acknowledge this darker half as a real problem therefore enabling said real problem to grow far, far, far worse than it was already. To use your example, most men readily acknowledge the issue with sexism (and the issue with Trump), and even if they can't do anything about it they'll actively try not to partake in sexist behaviors themselves. I myself acknowledge it, and do my best not to take part in all that.. But what if almost every man denied this claim, denied that sexism were an issue? The issue of sexism would be far worse than it already would be. Now tell me, if you were already in this scenario, what would happen if every time you asked a man to acknowledge sexism he'd tell you some iteration of "it's not much of a problem" or "there's nothing I can personally do about it so I won't even try" as feminists do about the radfems? Well chances are the problem of sexism would get worse; chances are every single one of these men would take part in the issue of sexism without knowing they're taking part in it. In fact this is the exact historical scenario that was going on before first and second wave feminism hit, it's not so much speculation that it'd be this way as a tried and true fact; if men denied either the existence or extremity of sexism then they themselves would partake in sexist actions without knowing. Now with this in mind imagine what would happen if, as I say, feminists actively tell me and the rest of our culture that they shouldn't be held accountable for their movement's mistakes and not just that but that these people who make mistakes aren't even much of an issue? Well, men who deny sexism is much of an issue get stuck acting sexist themselves. Likewise... I see otherwise totally reasonable and dare I say good people like Pedantic Romantic who actively state the darker side of their movement is "a few thousand at best" actively partake in the behavior of this same darker side without truly realizing it, which is never okay regardless of whether or not it's accidental. Yes I am directly claiming that the reasonable majority is unknowingly taking part in the radfems' actions simply due to the fact that they deny that these same actions are an issue. This is why I can't call myself a feminist, because calling myself a feminist is a statement which implies that I don't see an issue with radfems' behaviors and don't think it's much of an issue, where in reality I see the darker side of feminism as a much more pervasive issue in current year than it would be if we were only allowed to openly talk about it without being immediately labeled an alt right neo Nazi. (Hyperbolic but you get the point.) Simply acknowledging its current extremity and directly attempting to acknowledge some of these same bad actions would, itself, help mitigate the issue. All I'm asking is for you to acknowledge what these people are doing and if possible help people like me shine a spotlight on it, NOT requiring you personally tear every single one of these people down and definitely not trying to hold you personally accountable for their actions. (Barring the case where you accidentally take part in these same actions of course, in which case in a very literal sense you are therefore personally accountable for an action you literally took part in.) For example, the Me Too movement (overall a very, very good thing) is actively being exploited by very bad people, and most avid supporters of the movement deny that false rape allegations are much of an issue... In spite of the fact that false rape allegations are at best one in a thousand, denying the fact that they have a tangible negative impact on the movement as a whole itself allows this same impact to get worse. Thus these same so-called feminists actively, albeit accidentally, support the horrible liars who pretend to have been raped and will attack a man who's been without a shadow of a doubt proven not guilty. Meanwhile those minority of rape victims who are men seemingly aren't allowed to use the hashtag to gain support of their own, and are attacked on mere attempt. When trying to confront people on this issue the general response is something along the lines of "collateral damage is okay"; even one piece of collateral damage will never be okay in my eyes, if it's something we can acknowledge and account for then we should be acknowledging and accounting for it. It's no more my personal job to account for the shortcomings of the Me Too movement than it is yours as one of its supporters, but we should both be acknowledging that its handling hasn't been perfect and has caused some rather severe collateral damage; not that the collateral damage is itself the false rape allegations, rather I'm seeing a shockingly massive number of men stating on conservative forums they no longer feel safe in a work place around women, because they've become afraid of a false rape allegation, which has itself led to a shockingly large number of people openly admitting that they're hiring as few women as possible. This feeling only exists because supporters of the Me Too hashtag refuse to acknowledge that every now and then one of these rape allegations is false and that a false rape allegation is itself a serious crime which will never be okay. Therefore by denying that one in a thousand at best of these rape claims is false the supporters of Me Too are creating a bigger issue by proxy. This same collateral damage, this same issue, would have been mitigated if not gone entirely if the same people who actively support the Me Too hashtag would only have directly called out people who misused the hashtag from the start; in fact even if only acknowledging the collateral damage itself exists, by not acknowledging this as a real issue you've collectively allowed there to be more false rape allegations by sheer volume. Again I'm not asking people to personally fix every single issue and react every single time a false rape allegation happens. I'm simply asking that you people acknowledge it's an actual issue that needs addressing, thereby allowing people like me to actually address it. Instead, whenever I try and help those falsely accused, people call me an anti-SJW hater and prevent any attempt at assisting the victims of the collateral damage from doing any real good. Et cetera, I could clarify and clarify all day. But at the end of the day you're going to keep denying that the darker side of your movement is much of an issue, therefore enabling these same ill behaviors and therefore being at risk of taking part in these same bad behaviors yourselves. I don't hold much faith I can sway your mind, so I almost feel like it's useless to try. No matter how many times I shine a spotlight on the mistakes people like you make you'll never acknowledge them as a serious issue and never try and fix them. I may as well just go away, and go right back to the conservative forums. They'll actually address these issues...
6:30 Can we have examples of that research? Not trying to be that guy, but I want to discourage people from simply saying "there's a good amount of research" instead of showing the actual research.
if you want to get a decent overview and answers to some objections, i'd also recommend innuendo studios' video response to a specific study on cultivation theory: ruclips.net/video/AqxEFNFOVTw/видео.html
@UC9pBCHXmr95VMLVJVRNm3-A wait, are you really trying to argue that media consumption doesn't shape behavior?
Are you aware that there's an entire industry built around getting people to change their opinion on a product just by consuming media?
And I'll just come in with some of my own comments on this as a political science PhD student, the idea that "media effects attitudes" is pretty widely accepted. I'd highly recommend taking a look by Shanto Iyengar in particular. Pretty much just go to his Google Scholar page, throw a dart, and you'll probably hit something about media effects. I'd recommend his book "Media Politics: A Citizen's Guide", though the relevant chapter for this (the chapter on agenda setting, framing, and priming") is just like one chapter so probably not worth the money unless you really want a lot on political media: www.amazon.com/Media-Politics-Citizens-Guide-Third/dp/0393937798
Jeremiah Garretson also has a new book out on the development of LGBT rights that includes media effects, finding that the increasing levels of positive portrayals of LGBT figures in media were a big push for more positive attitudes towards LGBT individuals (especially through encouraging said people to come out). That would be this book here: www.amazon.com/Path-Gay-Rights-Activism-Changed/dp/1479850071
@@gentlebaguette218 That's not exactly the same thing, what you are refering to is marketing built to exploit biological sensory bias. Looking at red lips and wanting to kiss them is an example of this, but seeing someone getting raped on TV and wanting to do the same, isn't, for there isn't an exploitable instinct to rape. That's why I still don't believe that this brainwashing you speak of exists, or at least not in the way you think.
The first study cited by Romantic shows that only a 25% changed opinions. I do not consider that strong enough evidence. At best you could say that there's a 25% chance that it will change their behaviour. And I also think that Argo and Zero Dark Thirty were horrible choices for a movie. Both of those movies are based on real historical events. It would be like showing someone a documentary about dogs and asking them what they think of them afterwards. Your stance on a subject is bound to change if you study what you think is based on empirical data.
@@thepedanticromantic2515 Your concerns are fair, but not showing the people who make these arguments doesn't do you any favours. Makes it seem as if you were strawmanning their arguments.
And I would add that feminists don't care about men, but the movement is so divided I'm sure *some* must advocate for men's rights as well. In my experience, feminism has always been the fight for *women's* rights only. To them, Men can't be opressed, and even if they were, women have it worse so it doesn't matter... Then again, if you go and tell them that women in other countries have it worse, *then* they argue that advocating for smaller issues doesn't negate their cause. And I thought doublethink was impossible to practice in real life. But I digress. Personally I haven't met a single feminist who fights for men's rights, and those who acknowledge them blame *us* for them and tell us to start our own movement (Which they then protest once we do make it a thing), but if you *have* met people like that, cool. However, I just wanted to point out that the reason we think that way about sex isn't "the patriarchy", but biology.
Without getting too much into it, sex is much harder to get for boys, and we have a higher sex drive because our strategy, as opposed to women's, is to reproduce as much as possible. As a result, boys are praised when they lose their virginity, even when it isn't consensual.
I'm not justifying it, I think that sucks, but blaming men for this is disingenuous, and an indirect form of victim blaming, if you're the type who thinks boys contribute to the patriarchy whether they're conscious of it or not.
the real sexual harassment was the anime we watched along the way
Not only can you criticise things you like. The things you like are the things you should be the most critical of.
Nah, I feel like you should be equally critical of everything.
Just don't jump into subjects you know nothing of and start criticizing it. lol
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 I agree, it's why I try never to say bad stuff about stuff unless I've actually watched/read it.
Been saying this to people man they don't seem to get it
Kekkersboy just like Jim Sterling with Nintendo, that said fuck Nintendo
anime fans: "if you dont like it, don't watch it!"
also anime fans: "you cant say you dont like something unless you've watched it!"
can confirm
- Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers.
People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good.
Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
And I don’t want to hear “lol triggered” if you felt “triggered” enough to respond to me.
@@diamondminer5459 I think you meant to respond to a different thread
@@Knightfall8 I didn’t. It’s just that this format of supposedly calling attention to hypocrisy is just one of the ways people hate on fans of something. By the way, hypocrisy isn’t a valid argument, because you don’t necessarily know that the contradictory arguments aren’t being said by two different subsection MPs of people, which they usually are. No fan community is a monolith, and writing off arguments because they contradict each other is you missing out because, including in this case, each argument holds some water. You CAN largely control the media you consume, but you should also be prepared to try something you might not like, if you’re up for it.
Honestly, in my original comment I was going easy on you. I didn’t even get into how hating on fandoms is a form of ableism, but even people who call themselves progressive don’t want to hear that.
@@diamondminer5459 my apologies, on a surface read it looked like you were indeed responding to something different, but now I see what you mean. I appreciate you taking the time to clarify!
What I find extremely troublesome is this "It's okay in Japan" mentality. It seems like people tend to view Japan as this weird alien entity that doesn't know any better and only really appreciate it for the pop culture. Kind of like how we love rap music but don't care about its roots in black culture or what the artists were actually trying to convey. I'm left with the impression that it really is more about the product than the people.
Do you have a problem with just caring about the product and not the people? I sincerely ask.
Well, it is alien to most of us, and that's exactly why we shouldn't be so prejudiced.
+Afuture V Every product is connected to people, often times exactly because those people care about it. Liking a product that indirectly hurts people isn't so great.
well, as a wise man once said, "this is America"
It is funny. Here in America (For Video Games). We hate sexism but love extreme gore. In Japan (For Video Games), they are okay with some to zero gore, but are not ashamed of sexuality. Pushing our beliefs to westernize other people who are not already westernized. Nice. Ha ha ha ha. Just like Religion. lol
I love how you're just calling it "sexuality" or "sexism". Cutting right down to the problem.
It's genuinely sad that pointing out something as frankly obvious and bad as this is somehow contentious
i just think it's not worth pointing out.
It's very normal for people to get defensive at first when something they like is criticized. A lot of people have a negative association with anyone criticizing media or expression as something harmful. I think it's something that people get more comfortable and on board, with the more, they are exposed to it in a way that disarms them. The fact that Pedantic had to state that she does in fact like the show and how that doesn't mean you can't find problems a thing shows that these people probably aren't familiar with how to take a social justice lens to media criticism. I'm sure that if people keep making videos like this and explaining things eventually more and more people will come around. People just need to be a little more empathetic and patient with each other.
Terry Martin why?
@@ataraxia7439 she?
@@Mysterdion As she mentioned in the video, Pedantic is a trans woman. So yes, "she" is the correct pronoun.
It's nice that someone can talk about the more problematic parts of anime without getting harassed and labelled as an sjw feminist, there is a real issue with consent in Japan treated as a joke.
maybe because (“problematic parts”) it’s a non issue
@@BurningRubber454 so women being groped and harrased in trains in japan to the point where they needed to be segregated is..a non issue??
@Elijah Clayton not when the fiction reflects what people go trough everyday. Imagine living in a country where you're constantly in danger and then you turn on the tv to see it all over again in a manner that makes fun of it.
@Elijah Clayton these things are not mutually exclusive, they can exist at the same time.
It would be a parody if the butt of the joke was the *rapist* but sadly that's (almost) never the case. There's a difference in something being a parody and making fun of a horrible situation. The second te victim gets made fun of and ridiculed it stops being acceptable, especially in some animes directed at children/young teens since it teaches the wrong behaviour and makes it seem like it's not serious. There's a reason why movies/games/etc with such themes (murder, rape, terrorism, ...) are directed at older audiences, because they can (and should) understand the severity of the situation. Anime often has rape "jokes" and scenes even in shows for preteens and it is definetly part of the problem why it's so normalized here.
That’s not exclusive to Japan, of course
I really don't get how "Men get assaulted too" in any way refutes the argument. Yes, it is totally correct. But implying that saying women shouldn't be sexually assaulted is equivalent to saying men should be is deluded.
If you defend women, then you must also defend men. Otherwise, your arguments are worthless. lol
I think it's more along the lines of some weird sense of equality, like saying "Why only complain about it regarding one side of the population when it affects both sides" or worse, "you think that's an instance of women being treated as non-equal when really that's not the case; we men have the same problems, see?"
The point is a criticism of focus. If a problem is not particular to one gender then focusing the conversation about it exclusively on one gender betrays a certain ideological bias.
>But implying that saying women shouldn't be sexually assaulted is equivalent to saying men should be is deluded
Blatant strawman
@@NewKillerNetworks
I call that... Double Standards.
What a waste if that is the case. Ha ha ha ha.
In my experience, when men respond to discussions of the issues women have to go through by saying something like, "But men have to go through stuff too!", they're not actually trying to improve the situation for men, they're just trying to shut down conversation and checkmate their "SJW" boogeymen. That's what kills me about MRAs and their ilk. They're not entirely wrong that men face some real issues in our society. But they're just too focused on winning some competition against feminists to actually do anything about it. And that's not even getting into the fact that practically all the problems men face are caused NOT by feminists, but by the same societal forces that feminists are fighting against.
6:30 yes, i completely agree. I was in early teens when I started to get into anime, I'm a female, and I thought. That. Sexual harassment was hot. Rape trope, forcibly kissing, backing up against the wall, etc. And then surprise surprise, some of those happened to me and I Didn't Like It. I felt wrong, disrespected, objectified, and generally like I'm not human being. But those misconceptions I had was the one that brought me into the situation, was the way of thinking that made me confused, because why being forced by people don't make me feel desired, but instead disgusted? So maybe anime is just anime, a 2D moving picture, but they fckin affect real life, just by affecting people's idealization and thoughts
I didn’t know you were a trans woman! That’s awesome, as there are way too little trans and LGBT people in the anime community. We love you!
Jason Hymes Imagine being so upset about someone merely existing and having a trait about themselves they can’t control that you go generalizing their entire community and be incredibly rude and disrespectful. Can’t relate.
I went back to the first video and edited my accidental use of wrong noun. It's great to have more and more anime critics who aren't too lost in rules of weebverse to remind viewers about how off-putting something is.
@@jasonhymes3382 I like your comments, bro.
Too little LGBT people in "the anime community"? Doubt it.
nah theres lots of lgbt people in the anicommuntiy.... not everyone is just out in the spotlight or speak out abt it because of comments like Jason Hymes lol
Can I just say that you're really-really-really cute holy
Super beautiful
Insert *ace pilot takes of helmet and is actually a girl* meme here.
I thought the same thing
I hate when people are like "you're just looking at this from a western view"
Like somehow people in other countries are a completely different species and don't have basically the same moral codes... No one is cool with being sexually harassed, raped/molested, or demeaned in any way... Women in the West (or specifically in America), tend to have a more outspoken stance than others, but when women in some other countries are killed for even speaking about it, and it doesn't even matter if it's someone in the spotlight, it causes some to just silently take the abuse.
I really hate how many, infinitely, Aime fans for dismiss this criticism say: well Japanese mentality is different
So? Is this a resolution? Is still bad, it doset resolve anithyng. Thank you for these videos, even if is really late, i still love them. Hope you are well^^
There is a problem of making light of sexual harassment in the industry, and it's never going to get better unless it's addressed. I'm willing to look past alot for alot of series, Hisone to Masotan and Uma Musume being two big examples from this year, but not everyone can nor should they.
You're doing really good work pointing all this out, if even it's only the slightest chance it might actually reach the audience that needs it most.
Making light of sexual harassment... People will say something.
Making light of violence... People won't say anything.
I hope people do NOT defend one over the other. If they do, then I see their contradiction.
There are genuine Feminists, but there are also Feminatzis. lol
@Caio Coelho
Like Violence in America. lol
I hope it never will. We already see the comic industry dying in America, because of all the SJW non-sense you guys cursed it with. Sales in an all time low. Comic book stores are closing. And it's not because comics are a dying medium. Anti-sjw comics, and comics made by comicsgate are in a high sale, making big profit.
SJW influenced TV shows are dying, movies with SJW mindset are scoring low (except for the shill critics on rotten, giving them high scores, while the audience score reflects the reality much better.
SJW influenced video games are dying. Telltale games is closing down. SJW mindset is killing companies from the inside.
What do you want? You want to kill the anime industry too? SOCIAL JUSTICE DOES NOT SELL! Get woke. Go broke.
@@sajisama24 How many records did Black Panther break again?
@@NaNa-ou1sg Why did you bring up Black Panther all of a sudden? Are you implying that it's a social justice movie? It's not. It just has a majority black cast. Which is obvious for a story in a fictional African country, I mean... wouldn't be it a bit strange if it didn't had a majority black cast? That doesn't make it a social justice movie. It would be, if black people where still rare because of race reasons, but it's not 1960 anymore, wake up people. Black people are just as big now as any other race. Race doesn't matter for a long time now. Only the SJWs started to hire based on race again. Basically Social Justice brought back racism, in the weirdest form possible. "You are a black person, so you can't get up the ladder alone, so here am I, a privileged white person, who can climb the ladder alone. I will help you." this is basically what Social Justice says to black people.
I don't think it's as good of a movie as the SJWs say. Cos for the social justice people, Black Panther was the best MCU movie so far, which is simply not true. But it definitely brings the MCU quality level. You know which movie will be an SJW Marvel movie? Captain Marvel. That character will be modelled after the recent comic book version, which is a third wave feminist garbage. At least that's what they promised, and I really hope that's not what they will deliver.
oh no she's cute AND she's a good anime youtuber? *fans self*
@Fleur Laser shut the fuck up
Ikr !!!
Fleur Laser ok boomer
"If you don't like it, don't watch it." That's actually a pretty good point. It's *such* a good point that I'd like to use it myself! Hey people who don't like a video about widespread issues in anime, if you don't like the video, just don't watch it! :DDDDDDDDD
S3xual Harassment 2: Electric Boogaloo
No more Tsunderes. lol
Electric *Boobaloo
While this isn't directly related, the subject of sexuality on the whole is a topic I'd like to see addressed (and address myself, actually) more in anime discussions. It often feels a bit like there's absolutely no nuance in how the topic of sexuality and whatnot is addressed in anime discussions and criticisms. It's either "I Like Tiddy, It's Good", or "Tiddies...Bad", and those are both such reductionist and boring takes that it occassionally makes me despair about what people actually think about how sexuality is portrayed in media.
I don't think I have literally ever seen anyone say that any sexuality/fanservice is always bad. Ever.
@@theMoporter
I would agree. I don't believe I've seen anything to that standard either- I was more exaggerating to emphasize my point and as a bit of a joke, not to imply that discouse surroundung sexuality in anime is actually that lacking in nuance.
@@theMoporter i'd imagine someone calling fanservice objectifying women would imply this.
Pedantic DESTROYS anti-feminists with FACTS and LOGIC
-tho short I must say I did very appreciate your succinct dissection of the whole "video games cause violence" discussion, since I too have been guilty of using the discrediting of violent games causing direct violent acts as a broad stroke, while also being someone who generally thinks about the influencing power of media in society. Good framing of that for sure!
Wyatt Mund all art and media has an affect on people and behavior. That is it's purpose. Art that doesn't affect the way someone thinks is failed art.
@@Kekkersboy This is the dumbest shit i've read on youtube, which is saying something. Not all media has the intention of changing the way you see life, boyo
god the opening to this comment is so good, thank you
The sad thing is that these people don't give a damn about facts or logic. They are purely emotion based and those emotions are fear and hatred. You can tear them down with truth all day and night I assure you they're laughing with their fingers buried in their ears.
It's called willful ignorance. Where one's fragile ego can't handle the idea of being wrong about something and protecting said ego is far more important than the truth. That any attempt to show them truth is a personal attack against them and triggers an emotional response to reject it simply for the sake of rejecting it.
I'm surprised you still have such a good thumbs-up-to-down ratio on these videos. The anti-sjw outrage machine must not have gotten wind of these videos yet.
She was pretty fair and brought up good points. There are similar videos from channels like contrapoints and shaun which also have a good like/dislike ratio. I think most people agree on what is 'fair' and 'just' but get caught up in turf warfare, trying to justify stuff they don't even agree with because it's "the other side". Even so, I imagine it's hard to get mad at a genuine attempt at discourse.
Because these aren't bad videos, unlike the goblin slayer one.
+Snowball Effect
Dude, anti-sjw outrage machine standing right here man! Maybe I didn't downvote it because it's an ok video.
I can disagree with him on things and still like his content overall.
It's almost like the "anti sjw horde" shit is as much of a bogeyman as "sjw horde"
really makes you think, huh
@@misakayy1911 you're right. i'm sure i just totally imagined r/kotakuinaction's existence. fuck off, loser.
Very well said! You eloquently executed your points, and I particularly found the distortion of s3xual assault induced by "boy has an accident" to be incredibly fascinating. The initial video was my introduction to your work, and I'm happy to say I really enjoy your content. -SliceofOtaku
It really annoys me when people say 'it was just an accident', like when the video shows a moment in SAO. The characters fall on top of each other and his hand happens to be there.. Pull your hand back, help each other up and you're a-okay. But instead of that he squeezes. Why.. Why would you do that? You know what just happened, you know she just fell on you, why squeeze anything instead of just getting up? He deserves to be kicked away for that. And yes, there have been enough times that a male character got abused by a female character for no reason. But these scenes are not part of that.
Sorry it just really frustrates me... I'll see myself out.
So another one of my subs turns out to be a cute trans girl. There's a pattern here...
By the way, @ThePedanticRomantic
Is it ok to say this? I always feel kind of uneasy about complimenting publicly trans people on their appearance. I genuinely find trans girls and boys very attractive, but I know that there's a trend of fetishization of trans people. Like they can't just be people, they have to be attractive sex objects
But I saw you thumb up comments sharing my sentiment, so I figured this was ok.
*asking permission to compliment someone*
....sigh
Just do it. Only the tightest of pearl clutchers would ever try to castrate you for being nice.
@@Grigori7 It's not so much a matter of their personal feelings. Those matter, obviously, but it's something else. Neo-liberal, capitalist patriarchy has this nasty tendency of warping everything to its own paradigm. If trans people become attractive as a matter of popular opinion, they become marketable as a product, just like cis women. So I'm kind of weary expressing genuine attraction without mentioning this caveat.
Discovered this channel yesterday. Good ass content. Hope you talk about ONe punch man when you start discussing the LGBTQ problem with anime
My first thought was "wait what about OPM was..." and then I remembered. Yeah. Yeah that was extremely uncomfortable. I think my brain blocked that out.
@@Clawdragoons It's weird that I never seem to be bothered by characters like that (Another example being Fire Emblem from Tiger and Bunny). Possibly because they're also presented as strong-willed and knowing exactly what they want, and with a willingness to throw haters the bird. Portraying minorities as suffering or as trauma-porn objects bothers me a lot more.
As a fellow trans-girl... you're shockingly good looking, to an inspiring degree. I'm sorry if that feels like it takes away from your statements somehow, but when you cut to your face my heart legitimately skipped a beat at how good looking of a girl you are. Like honestly you should show your face more often, its honest to goodness inspiring to the rest of us
^
That is almost my exact suggested videos? What the hell? Also, TRANSWOMAN REPRESENTATION IN ANIME REVIEWS!!!!
There's also that Necro person and Monroe person.
I could've sworn there was another comment here a minute ago.
I'm so glad folks like you are confronting the more reactionary parts of the anime community about things like this, thank you!
Also, coming from another trans woman, you're cute and absolutely transition goals for my IRL-closeted self :P
When you click so quickly that the video is still private.
When you click so quickly that onii-chan wont yamate touching my privates.
This isn't a rebut or really any other meme. I'm writing this purely out of the enjoyment of it, I do think the response was good, just wanna expand my thoughts.
I agreed with the main point in the previous video, and I like much of what you said in the first part of this video. The part about feminism I think probably wasn't elaborated on enough to convince or sway people not already on the same train of thought, and often gets in the weeds and used for many things which makes the colloquial use of Feminism kind of vague here. Not necessarily your fault, just a lot of conceptions on what it is, especially as it pertains the third wave, and I don't expect you to write a paper on modern politics, for a response video. You good.
Onto the fun part! (The reason why I wanted to comment) So based on all of the research I've come across, media has little effect on people's behavior outside of their natural dispositions and opinions. If you hold one opinion, watching a lot of movies with a contrary message won't necessarily sway you. The only exception seems to be in those who are 'over-stimulated', meaning many many times the average media consumption for a long period of time, and with strong emphasis. Something like only watching really violent gorey movies and watching them all day everyday for weeks. This will likely make you somewhat more aggressive but only slightly, and under extreme watching conditions. With sexual assault, this might be a problem if the person's main introduction into relationships is through sexually abusive media, but that would be very rare (although maybe less so with anime lel). Anyways here's some fun sources that pertain more or less to media's effects on people, the correlation, unless under extreme circumstances is normally, virtually, non-existent.
Here's some Gerbner to back waht I'm saying a bit;
Gerbner, G. (1970). Cultural indicators: The case of violence in television drama. The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, 388(1), 69-81.
Gerbner, G., & Gross, L. (1976). Living with television: The violence profile. Journal of communication, 26(2), 172-199.
Gerbner, G., Gross, L., Morgan, M., & Signorielli, N. (1986). Living with television: The dynamics of the cultivation process. Perspectives on media effects, 1986, 17-40.
Gerbner, G., Gross, L., Morgan, M., & Signorielli, N. (1980). The ‘‘mainstreaming’’ of America: Violence Profile No. 11. Journal of Communication, 30(3), 10-29
Other semi-relevant sources;
Gurin, P., Gurin, G., & Morrison, B. M. (1978). Personal and ideological aspects of internal and external control. Social Psychology, 275-296.
Shanahan, J., & Morgan, M. (1999). Television and its viewers: Cultivation theory and research. Cambridge University Press.
Wilkinson, J. S., & Fletcher, J. E. (1995). Bloody news and vulnerable populations: An ethical question. Journal of Mass Media Ethics, 10(3), 167-177.
Anyways! This is by no means a rebuttal, I agree with most of what you said to what I understand, or at least the sentiment behind it, I'm just a psych nerd and wanna flex my arms. This was a good response, although I don't think the point you made in the original video was off base or necessarily warranting of one. Have a good! Also feel free to not read all of this, I'm content with it falling to the void, I just felt like typing, and am having trouble writing a script for my own video!
I'm curious if those studies could translate well to the age of social media and self imposed echo chambers.
There seems to be some evidence that people can sometimes shift really to the extreme and sometimes do an entire 180 if they immerse themselves into a digital echosystem.
Although it might be a bit early for many studies to be there. I havent looked specifically but I remember vaguely coming across some stuff that seemed in the vicinity of this
@Bob Bobbertson These studies highlight the effects, or lack thereof, of media on the consumer. What you are talking about is an entirely different topic, but the answer is yes. As humans are naturally disposed to be group seeking, 'bubbles' and ideologies of us vs. them are easy to form within online spaces, especially regarding extreme cultural shifts. This normally can lead to definitionally "cult behavior". I hope you can see the topic you are getting at is a totally different one from media's effects on an average consumer. You are talking about cult science and group think. Sociological effects on a person, not the.psychological effects of media. very different things. So yes the studies hold up, what you are mentioning is just a different (although valid) topic entirely. For one last sort of ominous comment: "only the willing, can be hypnotized"
Holyshit, sources in a RUclips comment.
@Bob Bobbertson I dont know what you took away from my comment, but it's ironic, seeing what you say, because your whole posts are entirely dogmatic and contain sweeping generalization based on ignorance and arrogance. You think you know better than thousands upon thousands of experts who have devoted their life to study, just because of some faulty notion. Your remarks have no real value, are based on nothing but ignorance and personal opinion and offer no real solutions.
In fact people can "explore "the internet"" and analyze trends and behaviours, people have been doing it for a while, but you were too stuck in your own echo chamber to notice it, or discarded it as something that went against your own beliefs.
And seeing your other comments, you just seem like a person with just a flawed mind, and it makes sense, people with bigoted and dogmatic beliefs tend to be close minded to other ideas and to changing their own.
@Bob Bobbertson Whoa, kimoi.
I see hbomberguy in your recommended videos! Good call!
I see Homestuck.
"If you don't like it, don't watch it!"
How can you know you don't like something if you haven't watched it?
I find the term "feminist" to be nearly redundant because everyone has a different definition for what it means. I know people who identify as feminist and other people with very similar ideals who don't identify as such. When I hear someone say "I am a feminist" or "those gosh darn feminists", I still have no idea what point they're getting across until they elaborate on what they think "feminist" means. I wish that word would just get retired from discussion because at this point, it's easier to go right in describing your stance.
procrastinating yes what your describing is standard conservative argument technique. Feminist, global warming , liberal all have or had simple definitions. Then each of these was broadened in its use by the right to the point of making the words meaningless. Job done. Can’t talk about what you can’t take about. Giving up on the word is not the solution. Doing some research is. You have the internet. All of human knowledge is at your disposal.
Feminism isn't a bad word. Ye I agree you should go and research the word thoroughly and you'll find that the word itself has a positive meaning. Some people are just over about how some "feminist" tend to be and the term feminazis are being thrown around easily. I guess feminazis are the people that complains about irrelevant shit that doesn't rly matter like fat acceptance movement and complaining that no one wants to date them cuz they're fat. Feminism is more than that it actually wants to help people men or women to have more opportunities or rights that they maybe aren't privileged to because of their gender, like girls getting education instead of getting married at a young age.
No, it actually has a very strict definition, but it gets redefined thousand ways over just so people can deflect criticism and indulge in guilt by association.
@@airentabalanza4406 sure feminist isn't a bad word, but what procrastinating is talking about is how even feminists will fundamentally disagree with each other. gender critical feminists and choice feminists come to mind. sad to see infighting in the good fight, but this is what happens when there is no concrete enough community to make the needed bridges.
Tom Tinker feminists who are pro going aroud almost naked versus feminists that criticize any example of a woman being even slightly scantily clad is another contradiction. But yeah procrastinators point being the word when applied to actual people no longer matches the simple definition that you see when you google it online. I’ve seen some feminists claim its expanded. I’ve seen others claim it being corrupted. Some will direct your to the dictionary for defending feminism while the using a different definition from the dictionary for other words. I prefer egalitarian. I don’t see a bunch of people going around calling themselves egalitarian with contradictions in the group.
Man, I'm going to miss bring back the romance month. The content you have been putting out has been stellar!
agreed
Me: Anime has a sexual harassment problem.
Other people: But men get harassed in anime too-
Me: I DIDN'T.
*FUCKING.*
*S A Y A N Y T H I N G A B O U T G E N D E R-*
probably end up not having many friends if you lash out at them like that
@@laquishamilton738 you probably don’t have friends if you take a comment to seriously
I'm surprised the video even got controversy in the first place.
Probably because a lot of people saw it as SJW pandering.
A lot of anime fans seem to think Japan are very laid back when it comes to sexualisation.
But if that were true then they wouldn't have Woman only trains to prevent girls getting groped.
Takumi Did Nothing Wrong the Alt-Right makes Controversies of everything even slightly liberal. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Pandering made a „response“ video already
Yeah, a RUclipsr named Necro XIII made a response video to it not so long ago.
It got controversy because his perspective on many scenes weren't how other people interpreted them. While the issues PedRo mentioned are present, others believe the show addressed them much differently. (I have a comment floating around somewhere addressing this.) Also he brought up these issues in a show that many people (including himself) think was great and led some to believe the show is worse than it is, but he addressed this very clearly this time.
@@Ineedgames The women's only trains actually serve to protect men too. Particularly so in Japan's guilty until proven innocent justice system.
I would really love it if you did a deeper dive into this subject with more research when you have time, one that explores other animes and examples of this.
I love how you are doing follow up videos clearing out a lot of these arguments that fester and get repeated continually even though they can be dispelled so quickly.
I am also really glad you covered this show specifically as it is good show, that’s very enjoyable and too often people will only talk about the really trashy and obviously problematic shows (which should still be talked about) whilst they ignore or defend other shows simply because they enjoyed them or think they are good.
I get people are tired of anime being looked down on but trying to defend or excuse anime’s constant sexual harassment and assault problem isn’t going to help.
As long as you do not have a double standard nor contradict yourselves, like claiming Video Games/Anime cause Violence/Molestation, then all power to you. The moment it happens... The pendulum will swing against you. Ha ha ha ha. lol
Absol StoryofFiction oh I agree I think consistency matters and I have always believed games do not cause violence and I think it shows how clearly humans can understand the difference between reality and fiction. society on the whole has condemned violence and moved much more towards understanding the value of a life, however with sexual violence there seems to be a critical lack of understanding and empathy that unfortunately means people still have to point out “hey this is bad don’t do this” and it goes far beyond anime.
That’s why I think it’s important to address toxic masculinity and show people especially young men what positive masculinity looks like, As well as throwing away this idea that men “enjoy” being the victims of sexual violence.
@@C.C.Cope220
Humanity has a long way to go. They still repeat what they did since their creation. I hope they are not too late before Extinction arrives. Then again, of the Angel, of the Devil, of my humanity, and of the End... Prove me wrong, humanity. Otherwise, you all are no better dead or alive, so simply cease to exist.
Absol StoryofFiction yeah absolutely and being realistic climate change will cripple, if not out right destroy human society before we can fix most of our long list of problems.
Wait. You're a woman? *The more you knowww*.
Just to clarify, PedanRoman identifies as female right?
Swiggity Swag yee
Rising Superstar Frost Rad
Goblin Slayer The edgiest of anime for the edgiest of boys, I see.
Can't the same be said about you? There's no point in insulting someone if the exact same insult can be applied to you as well.
I have no idea how common it is but I knew a girl who had really shitty views on consent and she was obsessed with anime for a while, watched several hundreds of them, including a lot that played sexual harassment off as a joke. She would touch other girls without their consent frequently (e.g. slapping their butts, trying to raise their shirts in public, even pinned a girl down once and kept her from getting up) and then try to justify it by saying she's straight.
This is not really something you left out as I don't think it relates to the show you talk about, just something to mention within the larger talk about sexual harassment in anime. Sexual harassment/assault between girls in anime is often either played for laughs (often with presumed straight girls groping each other), sexualized (e.g. one of the scenes in Yurikuma Arashi. It later appears in a flashback of romantic-sexual moments of the two girls too) or brushed under the rug quickly (Strawberry Panic). Unchallenged sexual harassment in anime is a problem no matter the gender of the people involved and I hope to see less of it.
you're so pretty!! Jeez!! I only found your channel a few days ago and I've been binging your videos, love it!
*For a second there I thought this was a reupload.*
“And if you’re gonna say ‘Male Feminist White Knight-ing, I’m a trans girl so no.”
Actual fucking POWER MOVE
Also this discussion on sexual harassment in anime was very well constructed! You’ve earned a new subscriber, I always enjoy a good analysis on media’s effects/reflections of real life. Looking forward to checking out your other content and new stuff!
I love that you are doing these follow up videos! It definitely makes it feel more like a discourse, especially in the way you respectfully respond to respectful counterpoints.
Totally irrelevant comment but This is the first time I've seen your face in a video and OMG you're so cute! Your little swoop of bangs also really suits you and frames your face well. Are you planning on growing your hair out? If you aren't sure, an undercut might be a good compromise for letting your hair be as long as you want while 'feeling' short.
Ikrrr???!!!
I love your content but also aaaaaaaaaaaaa you're so pretty! Excellent eyebrows and analysis
Eyebrows and analysis would be a great name for a "vlog" style analysis show
@@thepedanticromantic2515 zeria is a lucky gal as are any other partners you may or may not have
Yeah, I don’t think much about appearances usually, but I really wish I could get my hair to do that!
YOU INCLUDED THE FINGER COMMENT, YESSSSSSSS
also nice tank top
god damn you're so pretty and your smile is so cute, we love a well educated queen calmly addressing comments on the last video to keep raising awareness of the problem of sexual harassment in anime.
also your nails are done really nicely I wish mine were that nice ;-;
thanks for this month of deep diving and selfreflecting content, thoroughly enjoyed it!
6:24 you’re really cute and pretty btw. Sorry, that was just kind of my first thought when you showed your face lol.
I really wished I could read comments that disagree with you, but still have a point. Sadly you abusing the super-like feature makes that hard :(
A mild annoyance I know. Just switch over to "Newest first" up top.
Your skin looks amazing! (Thanks hormones)
OnlyARide Can I steal her skin? Or rent it at least.
omg your trans OMG LGBT PRIDE IM TRANS TOO HEY HELL YES
i’m glad you made a follow up video, this subject needs to be talked about more! i really hope you do make the video on how queer characters often get mistreated in anime, because i usually see little to no people talk about that said subject. anyways great video! also you look great!
id seriously like to know what kind of people disagree with the core problem you addressed
Which is?
I left like a 6 paragraph comment explaining my issues with it in detail, though I only really disagreed with her broader points about sexual harassment in media; I actually agreed with her points about Dragon Pilot as a show in particular falling prey to those tropes was a shame and was shooting itself in the foot, since it otherwise addressed sexual harrassment and biases being a problem , so it was wasted potential.
Jabberwockxeno Wasted potential? The show about dragon pilots is wasted because it triggers you on a "sexual harassment" scene? That correct?
If you consider the core problem to be: "Sexual assault has no place in anime" then I disagree.
I think ANY topic has a place in media and can be treated as respectfully or as tone deaf as the authors want. It is in the audience to interpret the media and make their own judgement. You can treat a sensitive topic in a tactful way and some people will still get the wrong message.
Also I'm not saying: "Sexual assault HAS to be in every anime", I'm just saying it has a right to be. I personally hate, hate, the "OH, I saw you naked/groped you accidentally, whoops" trope.
I'll say this... If you put up your wall, then I too am allowed to put up that same wall. Even if you hate it. Should you stop me, then your wall must fall too. Otherwise, this is pointless and a waste of time. Ha ha ha ha. Regardless, the contradictions are lovely, for those who say otherwise...
Holy crap! I fell in love with your videos when you did one on Wandering Son. As a trans guy the story itself always held a tender place in my heart and hearing you discuss something that meant so much to me in a way that was both understanding and clearly just as loving- well the long and the short of it was that I cried like a little baby. I know you have alluded to being a trans in the past, but I don't like to assume and put labels on people. Hearing you say it outright means a lot to me, as I'm sure it does to other trans folk. I've liked your videos from the start thanks to the angles you approach and the subjects you decide to cover, but it also means a great deal to me that you're so openly LGBT. Keep doing you, I can't wait to see more.
I've read somewhere that video games don't cause violence, but violent people are attracted to it. But it certainly isn't a cause.
@ThePedanticRomantic This video needs to be shown in schools & public places. Thank you for this. I just shared part 1 of this video and asked my friends to hit like on it. Didn't know there was a part 2.
Please keep making these specific topic, friend. This normalization of gRape culture in anime NEEDS to STOP.
If not, then we keep criticizing japan for it. Let's see how long they can endure global castigation.
This anime may not inspire people to sexually harass but it definitely doesn’t challenge sexual harassers
I loved how you broke down these objections extremely clearly. Your argument game keeps getting better :)
Oh, and you look fucking gorgeous ;)
Really good follow-up to an already very good video. Also, your hair looks nice today and I thought you should know that.
I am so happy to have found your channel! Thank you for bringing this topic up an being super professional and informative about it. Subbed
It’s the first tine I see you. You are beautiful!
Not that it matters how you look, but you got so much hate for such a great video on such an important topic that I thought a heartfelt complement might brighten your day a bit.
this is such a cute comment omg
even if its part of a culture it can still be wrong. In africa young girls get cut as part of their culture, its painful and disgusting and wrong regardless. culture is not an excuse
You really need to stop ending your otherwise reasonable disagreements on calling people close minded. You're shrinking your room for open discussion.
I think most people's points were that if a person takes away something like an attitude more likely to commit sexual assault from anime, the fault falls on that person... not the anime. Specifically in reference to the lumped "Video games don't cause violence" section.
I think I know exactly the argument she was responding to with that section, and no that person was literally just saying 'If games don't cause murder, anime can't cause sexual assault'
@@thepedanticromantic2515 While I don't doubt somebody claimed that and you're right to disagree with them, my point is that the blame falls on the consumer for coming to conclusions like "sexual assault is ok" rather than blaming the show for displaying it. People that come away from fiction thinking it's okay to hurt people are making an enormous critical decision making error that can't be even partially placed on the developer of the media.
@@XenfareSpades a large part of the blame does fall on the consumer, but if a show portrays something as good and effective it's going to result in more people coming to that conclusion. So the blame should be shared
"Video Games cause violence.", this has been proven wrong over many years in America, but hay, change the words, "Anime cause molestation.", and now we agree on that?! Ha ha ha ha. How amusing. Repeat history, why don't you.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 please do not associate my argument with this person
literally just found this channel a few minutes ago and We Stan
fr though it’s so cool to find more folks who enjoy/watch anime but criticize its problematic parts in smart and thoughtful ways? not to mention how excited I am to find more trans YTers to support!! keep up the great work, sis! 💕💕
huh, face cam. wasn't expecting that.
Found this video and the last one pretty interesting (especially having recently watched the series in question), so definitely hope you’re able to expand on the topic in the future.
This stuff has been bothering me for a while now in one form or another. Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. It is a conversation that needs to be had.
I'm happy I watched this video. That's why I hate anime. It encourages sexual harassment too much. And it's not good.
Oh. I gotta say I did *not* expect that webcam shot.
I'm glad you did a follow-up after the shitstorm that part of the reception of it was. Necessary conversation.
I respect your opinions, and I think your points have merit. I agree, the sexual harassing pervert trope is really annoying in anime. But I just can't agree that media as a whole influences people's actions. While yes the media can change our opinions and outlook on life, at the end of the day, people have agency. Someone using the excuse, that their favorite pervert anime character caused them to go out groping women on trains, is lazy at best. (Much like playing video games causes a kid to shoot up a school)
Soso- Chan
The media does not make people do things. But it has and will always shape cultural ideas. To suggest otherwise would just be historically fraudulent. If media has no power, why was fascist propaganda so effective in WWII?
@@Gravitynaut
I'm not a historical expert, so take my opinions with a grain of salt. I can't tell you why Nazi Germany's hateful propaganda was so effective back in world war 2. I only wanted to defend other people's art, and I think there should be no limits to how one expresses themselves, even if I dislike it. That being said, dontcha think there's a huge difference between perverts in anime, and literal hate speech from genocidal fascists who blame a group of people for a country's shortcomings?
Soso- Chan
the principle is the same.
media will always have an effect on the way we view things. seeing things like harassment and abuse not treated with the seriousness they require may not make someone an abuser, but it does reinforce ideas and concepts. Writers have a responsibility to acknowledge and accept that. If they do not, any criticism they receive for more or less directly contributing to rape culture is entirely justified.
Gravitynaut
Not really imo
Art and propaganda are two completely different things. One uses the media to tell a story, the other uses media as a soap box to preach messages. Can both be criticized? Of course they can! However I am of the belief that there should be no limits to creative freedom, and I shall hold that belief until the day I die. A person has the right to joke about sexual harassment just as much as another person has the right to say the joke isn’t funny or in bad taste. And anyone who puts the blame on anime for their actions is most likely socially inept. (Which probably explains why the anime community is so toxic lol)
Edit: also to preface I’m all for content warnings for people who can’t handle certain subject matter.
Soso- Chan We may view art and propaganda to be different but more often than not, both art and propaganda can be interchangeable.
That said, Japan does have a sexual harassment problem.
There are people in Japan that believes that men are entitled to groping women on trains because apparently men are incapable of restraining themselves and it’s their nature to grope them.
So rather than anime shaping the culture, it looks more like culture that is shaping the anime industry.
Women are also seen to be incomplete if they aren’t married and have children.(Yes, this is an actual thing that is said by the interviewer during a job interview)
There’s also a case where a top medical university in Japan purposely lowering the marks of women taking their entrance exam by 20 points and says that they have full discretion to do it.
Apparently nothing was done to punish this university.
The way I interpeted Hoshino saying that she'd be fine with being Zaito's fuckbuddy was just her being cheeky
Watched this in full screen and I still feel like I'm not in full screen, lolz.
6:10 yes!! This is why it’s so important to think and talk about the media you consume, because it does influence you.
I just wanted to mention, that I think you did a great job with theese videos.
You really just presented the facts about the whole problem so that anyone watching can see for themself, why this is bad (or well, they should in theory)
Like violence in video games. lol
And yes, these are the same based on the video's logic. In the sense that... "Children" blur the line between fiction and reality. That said, no matter how grim or how light hearted a subjected may be. To ban such subject, is to ban all subjects. History has proven that many times. When one bans freedom, I wonder what will happen.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 That's unfair. I don't even agree with the video but PR never said we should *ban* this type of content. Just said it wasn't good. It's totally within the rights of anybody to dislike content for any reason and to push for art not to go in that direction. You're really blowing things out of proportion with this "banning freedom" talk
@@XenfareSpades
You would be surprised that there are people who will do what I just mentioned. lol
I have no problem about talking about it. I simply hate those that take action because of it. Say what you want, in the end, it is not your choice to make. For that is Art.
Another great video about anime and sexual harassment? Supporting and reevaluating previous claims and arguments? All done a by a super insightful and LGBTQ RUclipsr? I think I’m in love!
To me it's supposed to be a joke most of the time like how in american television girls get to punch boys and the audience is supposed to find that funny, it's obviously wrong to do in real life which is why the shock value makes it comedic. So to me either both are okay or neither are okay.
Don't you think that such jokes maybe are... Reflective of something? Like maybe some social attitudes?
Neither should be ok
Actually I don't know about you, but I found the comments in the other video to be pretty civil and also quite interesting in the arguments they bring (also the ones in this video) I was pleasantly surprised.
Some of them did go into full on REEE territory, though. I feel like most of those were trolls, or at least I hope so.
@@Calvin_Coolage really? Then I must have gotten lucky with the ones that I saw
@@Aipe97 Most of the comments on the video were civil, it's just a few that were really silly and pointlessly vitriolic.
One transwoman to another, girl you are pretty! I hope I can look as femme as you do someday.
I went through months worth of RUclips history to find this video because you look so much like my old boss and I just had to see again to make sure 😂 rest assured I subscribed 💖
You are awesome. Keep it up!
I applaud and commend you for your brilliant and well written response! I agree that this is a topic that can be talked about for hours and I appreciate you bringing it up on your platform. I’ve enjoyed this month of your videos immensely and can’t wait to see what you do in future!
6:43 Okay, so you say we don't exactly know how media effects us, yet you also say that sexual harassment in anime is problematic, and insinuate that because it was shown to be a good thing in Hisone to Masotan, that means people will assume its a good thing in real life.
If assault, a far more heinous and prevalent crime in media, is shown to be rewarded in media sometimes, then why is sexual harassment seen as problematic when it is shown in the same light. Now I personally don't think either should be shown as rewarding in media, but if your going to argue that we are affected by the media we consume in some way, then that means that we are influenced by the assault shown in some series in the same way we are influenced by the sexual harassment shown in others. If a series shows sexual harassment in a good light, and that makes us more prone to it, this also means that if a series shows assault in a good light, we are also prone to it in the exact same way.
Your channel is actually really good. For some reason i thought you were a Digi associate at first, so i never subbed. No idea why, i guess i was hate watching one of his vids and saw a rec for you and thought you were one of his minions lol
Glad i gave this vid a chance, i love your content :)
@ThePendanticRomantic I love the background you have on your computer at 6:10
Great video and great series. Too many people don't talk about this sort of thing enough.
It's pretty obvious that characters that do overtly sexually harass someone are painted in a negative limelight, a narrative of sorts considering how badly the girls usually take it. The implication to me seems to be "this is creepy and doesn't work so stop it"
The other options are the characters act according to the critics moral sensibilities and there would be no conflict, which would be boring or the story would resolve itself in a way to imparts the message they want, which is asking for propaganda. Its a weird moral critique rather than an artistic one.
benblue3 and then there is the totally oblivious main character who for some reasons constantly gets into situations most people would already call the police on him wich gets resolved into the main girl slapping him EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. till it’s not even funny anymore (wich it wasn’t in the first place). Heck, Cyborg Kuro-Chan makes fun of this trope by making the cat drive a motorcycle through a bath to catch up to the chased schoolbus (it’s a long story) and when the biker asked why he did that the cat responded that it’s because of the writers deep urges
3:47 There is a whole genre of anime that backs those four lines up; known as harems.
6:09 How often do your legs hurt? That walk to your kitchen looks painful!
Love your videos! Keep em 20/10s!!!
thank GOD for continuing to address this issue-- it bothers me SO GD MUCH that pervs are supposed to be funny and rewarded in anime! Even finding a handful of people who feels the same way (such as in the comments of this video) is refreshing and makes me feel like I'm not going insane. Keep being awesome!!!
Holy crap A WANDERING SON VIDEO? You've just earned a subscriber I'm so excited it's my favorite anime
Some of my favorite content involves creators ripping into products (TV and games) I enjoy.
I'm so glad YT showed me your channel
Just adding to the comments that (while your analytical mind and contribution to anime discourse and specifically addressing queer issues is more important) I feel it's been a while since we've seen your face, and you are *so pretty*
>I feel it's been a while since we've seen your face, and you are so pretty
Congrats on committing sexual harassment on a video that talks about sexual harassment.
not sexual harassment bc it is a respectful, heartfelt compliment with no ickiness or expectation of reciprocation, or command in it.
I don't see how you could misconstrue a genuine compliment as sexual harassment. Unless you're just taking the piss out of the entire issue.
Another good video. I enjoy hearing your perspective on subjects like this in regards to anime. Thank you.
The thing about talking about sexual harassment is that it angers the people who want to keep getting away with light sexual harassment.
Ok, sorry if this comes across bad but what if light sexual harassment is excusable if there is no permanent harm to the victim
@@jam227 That's kinda like saying that going around slapping random people in the face should also be fine, since that doesn't do any lasting damage either
@@jam227
It seems like you're just honestly asking and genuinely want more discussion, so I'm going to do my best to give my two cents... (more like two dollars... sorry I can't seem to be more concise!!)
First, I'll lay down some definitions:
"Permanent harm" - This definitely includes any kind of coercion or physical injury. But I think there's more to it. For the sake of a hard definition, I'll say that it depends on whether the person being harassed can get out of the situation. The lack of an "escape route" is how things can become permanently harmful. If the victim has no escape (maybe it's a boss/coworker at their job, so there's no way to avoid the situation unless the harasser stops), or the harasser refuses to let the person go (maybe the setting is a bar, and the harasser follows the victim when they leave) they have crossed the line, and it turns into "permanent harm."
"Light sexual harassment" - I'll just say this is making someone uncomfortable but not bringing any "permanent harm" (as defined above). So I guess, any nonviolent, non-coersive harassment that the victim can easily escape.
"Excusable" - I'll just say this in reference to whether or not there should be legal repercussions. If it's excusable, it should be legal and thus not enough to warrant arrest. If it's inexcusable, it should be illegal and thus enough to get someone arrested.
This is, yet again, my attempt to make a hard definition. If you take "excusable" in a moral sense... Things get way more unclear, and although it's certainly worth talking about, it is not illegal to do immoral things. It just happens that most illegal things are also immoral. I
So, according to these definitions I have given... I would say that it is (and, in the legal sense, should be) excusable (yet again, I mean legally, NOT morally), for someone to "lightly sexually harass" someone. The law isn't there to prevent anyone from ever feeling uncomfortable. it's there to prevent "permanent harm." However, that does not make it morally acceptable to "lightly sexually harass" someone. You're still probably an asshole if you do that.
I guess I should also make clear that flirting is not the same as sexual harassment, although it is very hard to draw the line. However, I do think that for the most part, people who claim that a lot of "harassment" is actually just "flirting" are kidding themselves. Most people can tell the difference between flirting and harassment.
More fun definitions:
Flirting - trying to A) show someone you are interested in them and B) convince them to like you
Harassment - you A) don't care whether they're interested in you and B) just want to get them to do something, whether or not they actually like you
Gosh this was so long I'm sorry. I like picking apart these sorts of things.
@@emandems94 i agree with you exactly because the nature of this offense is so variable by the individuals involved. I enjoy the mental exercise thank you for your input
Dr. Caesars Palace MD just dress them up as zombies at night and the harassers will run faster then the FBI can break down your door if you look up Platelets porn
I love your videos. This is an issue thats been bugging me for a long time. Thank you !!!!! Also you are very pretty. 😄
Yessssss girl finally someone talks about these subjects!!! The anime community reeks of conservatives ( and fascists) and I am fucking tired of it.
When you said "I'm a trans girl actually, so no" I was thinking wait what? I was having trouble believing that statement, I was in some denial that you were being serious. Then the clip of you appeared and I was like "Oh, okay. Cool, now I believe you". I don't know why I felt the need to express this experience, I guess it is just an example of how people react to the news that someone is trans.
Referencing your comment about how you can like and criticize something you love at the same time. I think some folks never really learned that just because you like something doesn't mean its free from flaws that should be noted at least. For example, I adore watching Say Yes to the Dress. However, there's a truck of things I can criticize it for; unrealistic spending on dresses, antiquated notions of what's "bridal", that there's the "perfect dress"...
True. This is also me with Voltron: Legendary Defender. Adore the show but I and other see a plethora of problems
But people can take issue with your criticisms and think they're non-issues or blowing something out of proportion. You can't use criticism as a shield from criticism of your points.
Thank you for your effort on these videos! I just stumbled over them and I think, they're actually quite a good starting point for discussion. I mean, they're not that deep into the issue, but that would be a bottomless pit. As a starting point both videos bring up good arguments and I really love how you included some information about the situation in Japan! Because Japan is no wonderland where everything is fine. It has issues with sexual harassment, that are actually deeply routed in the mindset of people, and the feminist groups in Japan actually deserve more spotlight. In general, people tend to generalize feminists as "radical men haters", but this is sadly the case of a minority screaming way too loud....Heck, one of my professors at university was one of the greatest feminists I`ve seen, a really respectable man.
To the issue with "leaving out men getting assaulted" - that topic could easily take another video on it's own, and deserves one. My guess is, that men who actually got harassed keep quiet about it because there's still the view of being a "wimp/wuss" if you couldn't defend yourself and not "being manly" enough. It doesn't matter whether other men or women are imposing this on them, but it's one of the cases when men suffer from stereotypes, but if they keep quiet (like women did) it won't change. Women fought and are still fighting for the "right" to talk, and this goes for men as well - there's just not enough time and space without writing an entire book about it.
P.S. For this topic I highly recommend the TV drama "a restaurant with many problems" - it's a good show tackling these issues directly (not perfectly but a start).
Ugh I hate providing dissenting comments on videos like this; even if I'm just providing dissent for a single aside comment, I feel like you're going to disagree on principle or even shadowban me, instead of attempting to understand or address my view point. It's only what's happened to me in the past. Anyway...
... I feel like you underestimate how extremely pervasive, harmful and problematic the darker side of Western feminism is. These people have actively harassed me and caused massive psychological and social harm for many friends of mine (both male and female), at one point I even had a group of "feminists" basically try (and only halfway fail) to rape me directly claiming my personal lack of consent is "sexist" somehow; they didn't get all the way but because of the things they did manage to do to me I'm afraid to date to this day. They're a serious issue whether or not you're willing to address it, I've seen them do awful things time and time and time again all in the name of feminism and fighting the patriarchy. Yet whenever I try and directly address it with people like you, and explain why it's such a huge issue for people like me, whenever I ask the so-called "BETTER" feminists for help dealing with their own worst stock, all I get repeatedly and endlessly told is "it's not in issue bruv" - always coupled with a blunt dismissal if not an outright accusation that I'm just an anti-fem who is apparently "against equality" somehow because I just want me and my friends to stop being actively mistreated and harassed by people who frankly should already have been taken care of. And this same dismissal is the exact thing you were doing when you stated "it's just a few thousand" and therefore not a big problem; it's still a minority of you, yes, but it's a stupidly large minority that actively does a lot of distinctly negative things to a lot of very well meaning people. A minority that needs to be openly acknowledged by its own movement if things are to ever improve. And I admit, it's this same dismissive treatment which temporarily pushed me into going out and looking up the actual anti-fems, more than once; though I've since woken up and pulled away from that nonsense I know plenty people (both male and female) who made the same initial decisions I did, just... Never pulling back on them. Likewise, very often negative censorship movements and other corruptions of Western ideals are headlined by these same dark feminists you "BETTER" feminists so readily dismiss as non-existent, and they've done a lot of terrible and problematic things in both the legal and social ball park. Just because a movement desires to be against something doesn't mean it universally is, and down playing the dark side of your own movement instead of openly admitting to and addressing the problems you yourselves have caused does nothing but get people hurt. Please don't look me in the eye and tell me the dark side of your movement is "just a few thousand", "not a problem". It's not, you're wrong; saying it doesn't exist in that way is nothing but enabling their bad actions, and as previously stated, whenever someone says that I can't help but be tempted to go back to the right wing extremists. At least they offer assistance dealing with the very many darker feminists who cause an active issue in my personal life, not a good type of assistance no but for a guy being actively harassed and at one point nearly raped any kind of assistance is seen as welcome... that's a feeling all too easy for the wrong people to prey upon, hence why the right wing is slowly gaining such a grip upon the Western world. It's a feeling people like you actively create, by way of constant dismissive comments pretending your movement's darker side isn't an issue somehow and that we can just go about our merry way not addressing them. And yet whenever I try and directly address that particular issue y'all will get even more dismissive if not openly hostile and confrontational thereby worsening the aforementioned issue. The truth isn't always a happy one, I'm sorry, grow up and deal with the bad scenario before you and please help people like me do something about it before they cause even more damage. Otherwise you're part of the problem, and have proven the right wingers right in their accusations.
I also fear shadowbanning (it's happened to me a few times)
I don't disagree with you on anything, so I've nothing meaningful to add. Just wanted to let you know I read what you wrote out.
The only people claiming that there are no “bad” feminists are those same bad feminists.
Are you saying that anyone who identifies as a feminist (or what it actually stands for) needs to apologize for the asshole misandrists who claim all men to be sexual predators?
Is that not the same thing as telling all men to apologize for the minority of men who have raped and harassed women?
This is the same reason why calling all men out for the actions and comments of jackasses is completely detrimental to achieving equality.
Trump or that one jackass who preaches about making rape legal on private property are individuals and examples of horrible people with sexist, racists and delusional views. They should be seen as examples of what people as a whole shouldn’t say or believe.
The issue with Trump isn’t that he’s a man, it’s that he’s a horrible person with a lot of power. He wants to take away the rights of people who don’t fit the Cis-Straight identification. He LITERATELY wants to take away their rights. He wants to allow others to discriminate based on non-binary gender BY LAW!
But do I turn around and tell the men in my life that they are represented by Trump and that they have to answer for his views and his actions? No. They agree that he’s a bloody psychopath and those who think he’s god’s gift to America are delusional and share his beliefs.
Yes people identifying as feminists hurt you. But no way in hell will I ever reply, “um, well, there’s no bad feminists because we have a good movement, so either it didn’t happen or they had a good reason to do what they did, hmm”.
No. That’s stupid. And the people that hurt you are horrible trash who deserve to be held accountable for their shitty actions.
But am I going to apologize for their actions? Because I support the Me Too movement or believe that women need to be respected, have power over their own damn bodies, have access to feminine hygiene products regardless of where in the world they live, not be ostracized for bleeding every month as they are in few (but unless it’s zero, it will always be one too many) places, and that women should be able to take public transit without getting a finger shoved up their ass?
No! Obviously not. I don’t represent those people. They need to be held accountable for their actions. And will very gladly act on a jury to persecute those people.
If people claim they are fighting for a "greater good" then in term anything they do is "justified" the ends justifies the means sort of thing this is the same as for people who are like antifa who almost kill people because they view themselves doing the right thing
Sorry that your experience have brought you to see feminist in a bad light, obviously what some of them tried to do to you is an inexcusable offence that is worth being brought to light and addressed as a problem that is there and is strong in certain people who follow that ideology.
You can't neither minimize or maximize the problem in any way, it has it's scale of magnitude, you have a right to say that other feminist should address their problems first by themselves, it's a fair argument.
Nobody should ignore you for this, beliefs must be challenged, no belief is an absolute truth or perfect, we shouldn't hate each other for anything that isn't directly harmful, and what is directly harmful should never be excused.
@@higurashikai09 You misunderstand what I'm trying to say.
I'm not saying feminists are personally accountable for every issue their darker half take part in. That's stupid to say, I'm not saying it. Rather, I'm saying the movement as a whole has a tendency not to acknowledge this darker half as a real problem therefore enabling said real problem to grow far, far, far worse than it was already. To use your example, most men readily acknowledge the issue with sexism (and the issue with Trump), and even if they can't do anything about it they'll actively try not to partake in sexist behaviors themselves. I myself acknowledge it, and do my best not to take part in all that.. But what if almost every man denied this claim, denied that sexism were an issue? The issue of sexism would be far worse than it already would be. Now tell me, if you were already in this scenario, what would happen if every time you asked a man to acknowledge sexism he'd tell you some iteration of "it's not much of a problem" or "there's nothing I can personally do about it so I won't even try" as feminists do about the radfems? Well chances are the problem of sexism would get worse; chances are every single one of these men would take part in the issue of sexism without knowing they're taking part in it. In fact this is the exact historical scenario that was going on before first and second wave feminism hit, it's not so much speculation that it'd be this way as a tried and true fact; if men denied either the existence or extremity of sexism then they themselves would partake in sexist actions without knowing.
Now with this in mind imagine what would happen if, as I say, feminists actively tell me and the rest of our culture that they shouldn't be held accountable for their movement's mistakes and not just that but that these people who make mistakes aren't even much of an issue? Well, men who deny sexism is much of an issue get stuck acting sexist themselves. Likewise... I see otherwise totally reasonable and dare I say good people like Pedantic Romantic who actively state the darker side of their movement is "a few thousand at best" actively partake in the behavior of this same darker side without truly realizing it, which is never okay regardless of whether or not it's accidental. Yes I am directly claiming that the reasonable majority is unknowingly taking part in the radfems' actions simply due to the fact that they deny that these same actions are an issue. This is why I can't call myself a feminist, because calling myself a feminist is a statement which implies that I don't see an issue with radfems' behaviors and don't think it's much of an issue, where in reality I see the darker side of feminism as a much more pervasive issue in current year than it would be if we were only allowed to openly talk about it without being immediately labeled an alt right neo Nazi. (Hyperbolic but you get the point.) Simply acknowledging its current extremity and directly attempting to acknowledge some of these same bad actions would, itself, help mitigate the issue. All I'm asking is for you to acknowledge what these people are doing and if possible help people like me shine a spotlight on it, NOT requiring you personally tear every single one of these people down and definitely not trying to hold you personally accountable for their actions. (Barring the case where you accidentally take part in these same actions of course, in which case in a very literal sense you are therefore personally accountable for an action you literally took part in.)
For example, the Me Too movement (overall a very, very good thing) is actively being exploited by very bad people, and most avid supporters of the movement deny that false rape allegations are much of an issue... In spite of the fact that false rape allegations are at best one in a thousand, denying the fact that they have a tangible negative impact on the movement as a whole itself allows this same impact to get worse. Thus these same so-called feminists actively, albeit accidentally, support the horrible liars who pretend to have been raped and will attack a man who's been without a shadow of a doubt proven not guilty. Meanwhile those minority of rape victims who are men seemingly aren't allowed to use the hashtag to gain support of their own, and are attacked on mere attempt. When trying to confront people on this issue the general response is something along the lines of "collateral damage is okay"; even one piece of collateral damage will never be okay in my eyes, if it's something we can acknowledge and account for then we should be acknowledging and accounting for it. It's no more my personal job to account for the shortcomings of the Me Too movement than it is yours as one of its supporters, but we should both be acknowledging that its handling hasn't been perfect and has caused some rather severe collateral damage; not that the collateral damage is itself the false rape allegations, rather I'm seeing a shockingly massive number of men stating on conservative forums they no longer feel safe in a work place around women, because they've become afraid of a false rape allegation, which has itself led to a shockingly large number of people openly admitting that they're hiring as few women as possible. This feeling only exists because supporters of the Me Too hashtag refuse to acknowledge that every now and then one of these rape allegations is false and that a false rape allegation is itself a serious crime which will never be okay. Therefore by denying that one in a thousand at best of these rape claims is false the supporters of Me Too are creating a bigger issue by proxy. This same collateral damage, this same issue, would have been mitigated if not gone entirely if the same people who actively support the Me Too hashtag would only have directly called out people who misused the hashtag from the start; in fact even if only acknowledging the collateral damage itself exists, by not acknowledging this as a real issue you've collectively allowed there to be more false rape allegations by sheer volume. Again I'm not asking people to personally fix every single issue and react every single time a false rape allegation happens. I'm simply asking that you people acknowledge it's an actual issue that needs addressing, thereby allowing people like me to actually address it. Instead, whenever I try and help those falsely accused, people call me an anti-SJW hater and prevent any attempt at assisting the victims of the collateral damage from doing any real good.
Et cetera, I could clarify and clarify all day. But at the end of the day you're going to keep denying that the darker side of your movement is much of an issue, therefore enabling these same ill behaviors and therefore being at risk of taking part in these same bad behaviors yourselves. I don't hold much faith I can sway your mind, so I almost feel like it's useless to try. No matter how many times I shine a spotlight on the mistakes people like you make you'll never acknowledge them as a serious issue and never try and fix them. I may as well just go away, and go right back to the conservative forums. They'll actually address these issues...
I don't even watch anime, and yet somehow I'm here, and I love you? Please keep doing what you do.