This is Kevin Price from the Air Force Research Lab and I am in this video with Scott. At the upcoming EAA AirVenture I will be giving a daily presentation on this topic for which you can obtain WINGS credit. You can find us in the International Federal Pavilion, Hangar D. Please stop by to talk or to hear the presentation.
Thanks for the heads up and for working to help develop this fascinating technology. The challenges to incorporating this even into a future GA fleet are significant, but the promise for helping to deconflict UAS could be an early win. I'll look forward to attending your talk at Airventure.
Kevin, great work! I was impressed with your description of the technical needs to get this system into GA. Conceptually, extending the authority of auto flight systems and servos is straightforward. The servos should be more feasible today than ever before given the present state of electronics. I fear the greatest hurdle for this sort of safety system at the "affordable" end of aviation is that safety NRE is rarely done without a mandate. You mentioned Detect and Avoid...I've followed that with great interest. As a glider pilot I encourage AFRL to continue to consider negative Mode S targets! Thanks again to you and Scott for this fantastic demo and discussion of the tech.
Great job using your visibility to highlight not only the current Air Force safety technologies but for heightening public awareness about how this might port over to GA.
@bombsaway6340 This is Kevin Price who was in the video with Scott. Just wanted to offer a response to your comment. The best and initial focus could/should be on an all envelope return to level flight mode. This could be done in pretty much any aircraft with an autopilot. The hurdle is not that great. Software limits for autopilot engagement need to be removed and servo authority up to at least 2g's (3 would be best) needs to be supported. This would allow a pilot who is in trouble...e.g., inverted 20 degs nose low...to push a button and have the autopilot return the aircraft to level flight. Few if any autopilot systems can do that...but they could. Watch again the Pilot Activated Recovery System (PARS) demo beginning at 24:00 .
Fascinating technology. Keeping people alive, in spite of themselves. When you can customize the system to your aircraft by just changing basic settings; max speed, max G preferred clearance, etc, it will be the thing to have.
Love to see something like this this for general aviation. Of course, this would only work on very sophisticated aircraft, ones with state of the art autopilots, with the addition of auto throttles. Great video,
@bombsaway6340 This is Kevin Price who was in the video with Scott. Just wanted to offer a response to your comment. The best and initial focus could/should be on an all envelope return to level flight mode. This could be done in pretty much any aircraft with an autopilot. The hurdle is not that great. Software limits for autopilot engagement need to be removed and servo authority up to at least 2g's (3 would be best) needs to be supported. This would allow a pilot who is in trouble...e.g., inverted 20 degs nose low...to push a button and have the autopilot return the aircraft to level flight. Few if any autopilot systems can do that...but they could. Watch again the Pilot Activated Recovery System (PARS) demo beginning at 24:00 .
@@letsgofly5222 agree, see the makings of these type systems now. Like you, retired AF pilot, CFII now, get to fly in a lot of newer aircraft. Garmin has some amazing new capabilities. Was trying to do unusual attitude training in a G5 equipped aircraft (Garmin autopilot) and the system would not let us bank or pitch to severely. Bringing down the accident rate for loss of control, and CFIT is an excellent goal. Again, very interesting and great video.
Wow, GCAS is impressive, and I could see something similar for GA being a big safety benefit, and not just in ground collision avoidance but in all flight regimes and especially IFR approaches. I'm here in Salem Or. at the home of Garmin Aviation products development division and know some people there, and I might be able to facilitate exploring any interest between Garmin and the military, if the Air Force might be open to helping out with GA related systems?
Scott, this is a great video! Its only a question of time and this technology will positively affect GA. It may not start out at the same level as the USAF has now, but it will move in that direction. Thanks for taking us along and showing what is saving pilot's lives.
Wow’ they developed this system for the C130J and there’s no budget to implement it? Has the budget office analyzed ALL the costs of a CFIT or midair? Including human, reputation, defense of our country, etc.,
This is Kevin Price from the Air Force Research Lab and I am in this video with Scott. At the upcoming EAA AirVenture I will be giving a daily presentation on this topic for which you can obtain WINGS credit. You can find us in the International Federal Pavilion, Hangar D. Please stop by to talk or to hear the presentation.
Thanks for the heads up and for working to help develop this fascinating technology. The challenges to incorporating this even into a future GA fleet are significant, but the promise for helping to deconflict UAS could be an early win. I'll look forward to attending your talk at Airventure.
Kevin, great work! I was impressed with your description of the technical needs to get this system into GA. Conceptually, extending the authority of auto flight systems and servos is straightforward. The servos should be more feasible today than ever before given the present state of electronics. I fear the greatest hurdle for this sort of safety system at the "affordable" end of aviation is that safety NRE is rarely done without a mandate.
You mentioned Detect and Avoid...I've followed that with great interest. As a glider pilot I encourage AFRL to continue to consider negative Mode S targets!
Thanks again to you and Scott for this fantastic demo and discussion of the tech.
Great job using your visibility to highlight not only the current Air Force safety technologies but for heightening public awareness about how this might port over to GA.
@bombsaway6340 This is Kevin Price who was in the video with Scott. Just wanted to offer a response to your comment. The best and initial focus could/should be on an all envelope return to level flight mode. This could be done in pretty much any aircraft with an autopilot. The hurdle is not that great. Software limits for autopilot engagement need to be removed and servo authority up to at least 2g's (3 would be best) needs to be supported. This would allow a pilot who is in trouble...e.g., inverted 20 degs nose low...to push a button and have the autopilot return the aircraft to level flight. Few if any autopilot systems can do that...but they could. Watch again the Pilot Activated Recovery System (PARS) demo beginning at 24:00 .
Fascinating technology. Keeping people alive, in spite of themselves. When you can customize the system to your aircraft by just changing basic settings; max speed, max G preferred clearance, etc, it will be the thing to have.
Thanks, Scott & Kevin for showing us what is on the horizon. 😂.
I will be proud, until my last breath, of the small part that I played on the AFTI GCAS-TF program.
Love to see something like this this for general aviation. Of course, this would only work on very sophisticated aircraft, ones with state of the art autopilots, with the addition of auto throttles. Great video,
@bombsaway6340 This is Kevin Price who was in the video with Scott. Just wanted to offer a response to your comment. The best and initial focus could/should be on an all envelope return to level flight mode. This could be done in pretty much any aircraft with an autopilot. The hurdle is not that great. Software limits for autopilot engagement need to be removed and servo authority up to at least 2g's (3 would be best) needs to be supported. This would allow a pilot who is in trouble...e.g., inverted 20 degs nose low...to push a button and have the autopilot return the aircraft to level flight. Few if any autopilot systems can do that...but they could. Watch again the Pilot Activated Recovery System (PARS) demo beginning at 24:00 .
@@letsgofly5222 agree, see the makings of these type systems now. Like you, retired AF pilot, CFII now, get to fly in a lot of newer aircraft. Garmin has some amazing new capabilities. Was trying to do unusual attitude training in a G5 equipped aircraft (Garmin autopilot) and the system would not let us bank or pitch to severely. Bringing down the accident rate for loss of control, and CFIT is an excellent goal. Again, very interesting and great video.
Wow, GCAS is impressive, and I could see something similar for GA being a big safety benefit, and not just in ground collision avoidance but in all flight regimes and especially IFR approaches. I'm here in Salem Or. at the home of Garmin Aviation products development division and know some people there, and I might be able to facilitate exploring any interest between Garmin and the military, if the Air Force might be open to helping out with GA related systems?
I think they would be. Kevin will be at Oshkosh.
@@FlyWirescottperdue I likely won't be at Oshkosh but I'd like to know more and see if if there's some common ground there.
@@jackoneil3933 go to flywire dot online and send me an email. I'll put you in touch with Kevin.
That recovery button would really be thee "button of shame" 😅
Sorry, I have to disagree. Parachutes have their place to.
@@FlyWirescottperdue I completely understand.
Very cool.
Scott, this is a great video! Its only a question of time and this technology will positively affect GA. It may not start out at the same level as the USAF has now, but it will move in that direction. Thanks for taking us along and showing what is saving pilot's lives.
Wow’ they developed this system for the C130J and there’s no budget to implement it? Has the budget office analyzed ALL the costs of a CFIT or midair? Including human, reputation, defense of our country, etc.,
Does this guy really know what he’s talking about?? I have my doubts
Why? The system works and has saved 13 lives so far.