Banning TikTok Won't Keep Us Safe: Julia Angwin Critiques Bipartisan Attack on Chinese Firm
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- A bipartisan group of senators has introduced the RESTRICT Act, which would allow the federal government to potentially ban technology from countries the U.S. considers to be adversaries, including China. Last Thursday, congressmembers grilled TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew during a five-hour hearing on the app's ties to the Chinese government, its data practices and its effects on children's mental health. Critics say this China-focused scrutiny largely ignores similar privacy concerns over the use of U.S.-owned apps and social media platforms. We hear more from Julia Angwin, an investigative journalist and contributing opinion writer at _The New York Times_, whose latest guest essay is titled "How to Fix the TikTok Problem."
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Banning Tik Tok is Democracy? give me a break.
The government is there to protect us. This is why we have the Patriot Act. Now this is like the Patriot act which is to intercept foreign terrorists. We should support it to support the government. 😂😂😂😂😂
Americans have the choice between a rabid right wing party and a slightly lesser right wing party and they've all been programmed from birth to believe that _everything else is "durr commurnurisms"._
Americans obviously don't live in a democracy.
They struggle to exist under a Kleptocratic Corporatocracy.
The Long Game by Rush Doshi, current advisor on Chinese foreign policy to Biden admin, has good references for what China is trying to do to spread its misinformation.
It would be so easy for China to sell TikTok to a U.S. company it still has control over but they don’t want it because they aren’t subject to Chinese laws anymore that allow it complete control over the company. These are in far greater ways than US govt can control social media here
They are desperate they need a scapegoat to hide the fact of DECADES of hand in hand crime between our own tech industry and government
@Manuel Vasquez yes its true tiktok is destructive to the attention span but so is everything else tiktok it just the worst manifestation of it, but that doesnt justify letting the government destroy one of the only platforms which has been able agitate people so effectively into action such as we saw in the blm protests
It's scary how the congress is blaming Tik Tok for all the problems the country already has.
welcome to kangaroo court of U$.
Scapegoating.
@@user-vc5qk9tg7u TikTok was banned by PRES Trump but blocked by Dem reinstated by Judge
Whataboutism ultimately. I still trust my country for natsec vs CCP.
It's called the blame game.
Juan is on the point with his first question. The US doesn't like TikTok because the CIA and FBI can't control it.
Can't compete with it either it's dominating Eurasia which has way more people the # don't lie. How about China ban the sale of iPhones kinda funny how tuktok is a national security issue but yet they want to buy it a lot of the funds behind tiktok is of western capital check that shit out
Now ask yourself who CAN control it for the full answer
@@handlethisnut So, you're afraid that the Chinese might censor TikTok?
Only America should be in power. Otherwise the rising contry will be in power
The usual anti China US super BS.
We have so many domestic problems that we just refuse to deal with, so that anything possible we blame on China.
Tik Tok is a domestic problem
Or Russia, more specifically, Putin.
China will use any means and ways to spy on all Americans.
Because they are guilty!!!
Republicans worship putin cause he helped trump, but hate China because the roght wing racist base can be spooked about the market share of a capitalist competitor.
90% chance this is an economic WTO violation, NOT about security. Notice the ABSENCE of any cybersecurity policy questions to tik tok.
Someone sent a tweet comparing two photos which happened within a week:
1. Tiktok’s CEO being grilled in Congress.
2. Tim Cook in an Apple Store in Beijing being surrounded and welcomed by the Chinese.
And the title of the tweet: “Which country is more open toward foreign businesses?”
Fair enough.
I Apple gathering Chinese citizens info the same way?
@@grtinfulleffect8349 Yes, they do. iCloud collect more than a dancing video app
@@winstonyu1776 Does the USA Government control Apple? Is there a law that allows them? Is that the same for tiktok parent company?
@@grtinfulleffect8349 are they not?
US government Hypocrisy once again
My aunt was lost in Palestine and the soldier on camera said he was purifying the land. I post it on many platforms and it doesn't get seen or I get much hate and the worst comments. I post this video on tiktok and instantly got thousands of impressions and hundreds of comments supporting my family and wanting justice for my family. I can see why America wants tiktok banned...
while I post something on uyghur on the Chinese version of tiktok and instantly got banned.
Tiktok can sway young voters in a way that puts these fools out of jobs. That's why they want it gone.
@@thankqwerty and I bet you know nothing “factual” about Uyghurs beyond the US anti-China started in 2012 by Obama administration when the US cotton industry was complaining that Xinjiang cotton was surpassing the US cotton industry as the worlds largest cotton supplier. I bet you don’t own a passport let alone ever been to Xinjiang and actually seen how Uyghurs are prospering with improved quality of life, industry, infrastructure.
But hey keep being gullible to US propaganda without knowing any factual reality of things. Bet you think Tibetans are suffering. Yup owning property, businesses, access to education, new infrastructure, schools, hospitals, economic opportunities, freedom to travel, marry who you want, etc... I’m sure Tibetans would choose to return to the good old days of life line serfdom and enslavement, Indebted lifelong servitude, no roads, no schools, no opportunities for one’s freedom, etc... yeah right
PS: try posting disinformation action, lies or other contrary things on you tube or twitter and see how long it stays up if gets up
@@thankqwerty . But you fragile YT Americans are perfidious and known for sabotaging nations, societies and people. The Chinese are not.
@@thankqwerty you do know the difference between truth and lies don't you?
Let me guess you're amarikan, you're confused between lies/propaganda vs truth.
Uighur reports have already been debunked and was originally created by U$ as a smear campaign where as Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel is ACTUALLY happening, just like black amarikans being shot every few weeks in Amarika is actually real, and native first amarikans were genocided en mass is actually real and IS part of U$ culture and history.
Dang, you need to get some real education bro.
US hipocrisy 😯😯😯😯
What US hypocrisy, are you people mad around here? Tell me, is Facebook legal in China, Russia and other sub-sane countries? No? Then why wouldn't USA ban or stringently regulate TikTok? The point of globalization is equal terms and economic benefit. If the other side doesn't comply with basic fairness, then there's no reason to extend any courtesy to one's own detriment.
And also, what's with the eye-popping naiveté? USA also collects data on its own citizens - duh, but does USA get to collect data on China's citizens with one of the most popular apps in the country? Does USA have access to Douyin or something? It's geopolitics, and this situation is a disadvantage in the power game - so obviously it will get ameliorated.
Congratulations 10 social credit points will be deposited into your account for that comment 👏 👍
@@Birch37 You amerifats literally have credit score it's the same shit
It’s about money that flows into top apps and thus the US wants to maintain and control the tech companies that occupy that space. It was about competitive and free trade when we were on top… our behavior changes into one that is anti free trade and anti competition when we no longer occupy that space.
That’s always been the myth of “the free market”
The rhetoric was all about 'free trade' but the reality never was. The US invaded panama to impose banana production, and invaded Iraq to gain oil access. It's always been about the dominance of US corporations, even if millions of good american jobs are displaced and sent to other countries
US could only make one argument as half legitimate to ban tiktok (even tho the US entity that is registered complies with US regulations and store data in US servers), the chinese internet is closed for US companies to penetrate so we can do the same thing. In terms of data being send to China, it's irrelevant argument because all social media sell your data to data brokers and those data brokers resell it anyway. Any government could buy those data, directly or trough some shell corporation. The whole attention based economy is an absolute mess.
Wow, “Hu”, I hope you’ve woke- up a lot of people! Your a good thinker! 😊
Exactly.
I don't think the CEO got grilled at all he made good points, it seemed more like a sad attempt of Congress trying to China bash him.
And it actually showed that a lot of Congress. People have zero idea how the internet works still they want to regulate it. I would suggest that they look into the g d p r of the european union and have some form of proper user data management system. In the u s everybody left and right gets their social security data leaked... They do wonder how
Fr fr he ain't even Chinese, he's Singaporean.
Ban Tik Tok in America and still have a billion users around the world. America will be the looser.
They're the most unintelligent people on the planet.
US too busy trying to control everything.
US doesn't believe in everyone winning, just one group doing all the winning.
This is why we're in the predicament we're in today.
GREED KILLS EVERYTHING.
I can't believe what American idiots did to Shou Zi Cheu 😂😂😂
He's the coolest man I've ever seen on my entire life!!
Love and prayers always dear brother ❤❤❤
Republicans: you have to obey Chinese law...
Chew: I'm Singaporean
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
unfortunately the tragedy is U$ rac!ism is do deep they don't even realise it, they think all asians are alike, look the same and thus behave in the same way and more importantly inferior to them and could not possibly do better than them. LOL
I guess they can not tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, korean, Singapore, mongolian, ... ...😂
@@bing2053what they do tell then?😂
@@cmymotion They can tell "I'm always right, you're always wrong."
Americans are so ignorant they do not even know where Singapore is located!
It is hard for the public to take seriously the issue of the Chinese spying on us through social media when we know EVERYONE is spying on us through social media.
About time! The truth time we all speak up about this to our reps
PRISM program, US started spying on its own citizens, allies and the world even before China know how to do it.
This is one of the most insightful comments so far.
THE DIFFERENCE is those companies have autonomy, when a terrorist was on Facebook, the govt wanted a back door access to their page, but Facebook denied it. TIKTOK can’t do such a thing! They literally have to comply with the CCP to harvest our information, while also banning all our social media sites. Why tf should we then have it on here, while all major democracies have either a major or partial ban. Wake tf up you morons, the Chinese and Russians aren’t your friends.
@kary,
*NOT* everyone KNOW ... those moronic leftist progressive socialist so called students do Not know.
150 million American users of Tik Tok have the right of information protected by the constitution.
There are 1.5 m people.......what kind of restarted data.....？Lee Ann Womack: I hate myself in the morning.....lol
Using national security as an excuse!!
Yeah that's how they fck Iraq up
Soo...it's ok when Facebook and Google have your data but tiktok is a no?
no no no no
Yea, absolutely yes… how is that even a comparison.
@@manuelvasquez-kc4op Not even true. Remember the Facebook whistleblower? Facebook analysts found that their algorithms are harmful to society, but the company chose not to do anything because they only care about profit. Anecdotally, I see way less fearmongering and division on TikTok than on other social media platforms.
Profound hypocrites!!!
@Manuel Vasquez these are the very same folk wanting a Ballon shot down without careful thought. They heard it from China and yelled shoot, they now turn around and scream for TikToc!
Good grief
U.S. has multiple deep seated problems far bigger than the manufactured concerns about Tik Tok.
I wonder why she didn't mention Israel's major role in US election intervention.
Liars are liars
great question, israel owns our politicians and media
Or that Leonardo Dicaprio just testified that Chinese donated 30 million to Obama campaign
wonder why they don't give facebook all this smoke 🙄
Exactly , I believe Facebook is losing millions and billions of dollars to TikTok
China will use any means and ways to spy on all Americans.
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I'm not on Twitter, Facebook or Tik Tok.....my privacy is being infringed on and violated, when the people using these Apps post information about me without my permission, knowledge or consent.
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It's also a means and ways of spying and stalking.
Hypocrisy
Maybe because xi jinping isn't breathing down the neck of zuckerberg?
RUclips isn't any different and yet, they say nothing about it.
I asked my children, nieces and nephews about this and they laughed. They said they would find a way to get it anyways.
Republicans ban tiktok and books instead of guns.
.... Instead of gun and Israeli Pegasus spy wear.
@@johnnygoodman2003 and the FBIs IRON FIST OPERATION
EXCATLY , we can’t make since of this
Tik Tok reminds me of Pimps and Prostitutes.
Tik Tok are the "Pimps."
The Users are the "Prostitutes."
You didn't think they worked on your behalf did you?
The reality of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is pretty undeniable at this point.
Now Tik Tok will be even more popular.
😂
U r right! I intentionally switch from fb reels Instagram snap and pins to tiktok and lemon8
Heck, Donald Trump *himself* is who had pushed people like me to download TikTok in the first place, all because he wanted it banned because KPop fans have trolled his Tulsa, Oklahoma rally resulting in less attendance numbers (back in June of 2020).
The US has chronic domestic problems, including a national debt of over $31 trillion, economic inequality, inflation, healthcare, education, $1.7 trillion in student loans (average loan balance of $38,000), racial inequality, mass incarceration, infrastructure, housing affordability, homelessness, the opioid epidemic, and gun violence. All these problems are consequences of government policies. The country's political leaders are deeply divided and hostile to each other, but both parties have identified China as their "most consequential threat" and the source of their problems.
The US population is whipped up to see Chinese threats everywhere. A weather balloon is seen as a threat, as is a port crane and even TikTok. Sanction chopsticks, noodles, and sewing machines, they have dual uses. Chopsticks could poke someone's eyes and blind them, noodles could be fed to PLA soldiers, and sewing machines could be used to make military-grade uniforms.
YOU ARE RIGHT. Typical of the USA to always put blame on others. Parents responsibility needs to be put in place. IS OUR RIGHT AS CITIZENS AND CONSUMERS.
Chines spy ☝🏽
China gov has RMB158 Trillion debt
@@onexoxtoo The US is the world's largest debtor, reflected in its net international investment position (NIIP) of -$14.3 trillion, while China (including Hong Kong) is the world's largest creditor with a NIIP of $4.3 trillion. The last time the US had a positive NIIP was in 1988.
@@philipwong895 When Chinese have money, they will convert them o USD anyway. Look at the children of their rich, all living in the west, not in NK, Russia.
Not a fan of Tiktok,but big fan of the 1st Amendment…. strike the down the Restrict Act!
Siri, Alexa and Google home listens to you all the time even when you snore
That's exactly why I don't have any of that BS in my home.
Old people trying to decide over things they don't understand.
It's about power, money,, dirty political crafty, cunning and ethnicity.
McCarthyism. At it again...
Tbh I hate those people they wont even let him talk. Like they just want the TikTok to be gone but too bad bc everyone is seeing this and im so sorry for those people who lives in America Ik you guys are embarrassed to have those peoples like THAT BLONDE GIRL. 💀
The restrict act is literally 1984 by definition.
where do think they got it ?
WHEN YOU ARE LOSING CREDIBILITY, YOU BEGIN TO PUT BLAME ON OTHERS. SO TYPICAL OF US IN THE USA.
Glad this is being covered but this is really skirting around the issue of how scary the Restrict Act actually is.
💯🎯. I believe senator Rand Paul's bill does the job with less restrictions on usa citizens.
Wow way to not even be honest about how extreme that bill is. It's extremely broad to a nearly unbelievable level.
A broad bill is a problem because it's interpretation can be used against everyday people.
@@b_uppy 💯🎯
I watched these hearings the other night. It was shameful how he was treated.
Okay, Wu Mao.
That's YT America for ya!
The quality of American politicians are disastrous, appalling really
Now I'm gonna start using TIKTOK...
They are trivializing the bill by making it look like it's about tiktok. It's way deeper and wider than just a video app. Nobody is talking about how bad the censorship they want is...
They don't talk about a widespread privacy bill because it prevents US Gov to easily spy on people.
💯🎯. It should be labeled the restrict American bill of rights act
China phobia 😂
It's a way to take a shot at the ccp.
at the world. an insult to the world. just like the goons at the UN under the dictatorship of the evil empire USA that vetoed the proposal to investigate the Nordstream bombing. Americans are an insult to the world, to democracy.
Banning a business solely for suspected wrong doing without any solid legal basis is crazy! You want to ban a business, at least make a law first and prove it breaks the law. Holding a bipartisan hearing to blast it's CEO is not enough. Those law makers are not doing their job!!
It's obvious, the US is racist and hates it when non whites are successful.
Yes, that is China banning FB YT
@@onexoxtoo not exactly. China passed their version of the Restriction Act. Google, YT and FB don't want to comply because of their "corporate ethical standard", so they pulled out of the Chinese market. Obviously these big corps don't seems to hesitate when comes to collecting data from their own citizens lol.
Paid millions and do less than the road cleaner,(who actually helps the people.)
Those law makers are pure bullies!
My child told his teacher that China ate his homework.and the teacher gave him an A.
No one wants to loose their illusion of Democracy.
The reasonings given for banning TikTok by Congressmen should prompt other countries to ban all the social apps as well including US owned.😂
👍 I agree!
I'm 100% ok with that!
Stupid Congressman giving reasons to all other countries to collect data within the sovereign country.
what if they are telling fibs ,as always ? We go to war ? to defend national security ? haha
Agree
FB has been responsible for not tackling comments that Incite violence against different racial, religious and ethnic groups in some countries.
Why are members of Congress so angry about things they don't know anything about
Banning Tictoc isn't about keeping American's SAFE! It's about Jealousy and White Corporate Greed!!!
It's not a privacy act. It's a government gets all your data act.
The U.S. government has all your data when you use Google products. Why not go after Google first?
When loosers got lot of power but runs out of options,then they even be enemies get together.
That app have removed their dirty mask and they loose money plus they can't control the that the truth of all historical crimes came afloat. So they wanna prohibited it
Those Chinese seems are more intelligent than all of them 😂😂😂😂
*U.S.:* Tic and Tauk been spyin' 'n stealin' 'murican's dahdah!
*Snowden:* hold my Vodka...
*Assange:* hold my soap....
Restrict act doesn't ban tik tok, it just restricts usa citizens right to freedom of information
which app sold the iraq and libya war ?
China is arguing that peace and prosperity are the true universal value of mankind rather than democracy & freedom. It is gaining support around the world and US congress is effectively helping it with bipartisan support.😄😛
USA trying to "HUAWEI" TIK TOK
Ban the guns selling in the US is more urgent than blaming on social media platforms.
Restrict Act is more broader than tiktok in its wording (wechat, temu are also targeted). It also will criminalize the use of VPN for evading the ban. It can enforce civil forfeiture of individuals suspected of violating the ban.
Wow. Scary.
Yes, sad that VPN is pulled into this. But TikTok has tons of ethical problem, sneaky issues. A lot of Americans don't understand the hidden structure in TikTok, which is an App that doesn't have any algorithm on it. Its algorithm belongs to a Chinese company that must follow the China Government's Law. So, the data collected by TikTok has to sent to a this company to run the algorithm on it. Since the company has no power to resist the China Government's demand (bounded by Law), all the user data can be used to do lots of harm, like the Russian bots of fake news we witness on Facebooks, Twitter. The only different is Facebook and Twitter can be sued or prosecute under the US Law due to the data belongs to them, not a foreign government.
And how exactly would they know that someone uses a VPN to access a banned app, except by either using a backdoor on your terminal (which means spying proactively on you) or on the VPN itself (in which case the VPN has been actually built just as a tool for entrapment)?
@@ciprianlica if VPN has backdoor they can access to all of the phone data?
The next election winner will be Trump because Biden failed very very badly. Unfortunately both share the spoils of America and only the ordinary Americans suffer.
Rep. Richard Hudson: does Tik Tok access the home wifi network?🤷
Maybe we should ban Wi-Fi?😂
EU is ahead on regulation on Big Tech because of less lobbying. I mean the US must be a crazy show fuelled by lobbyists, the same people that want to ban TikTok. While, I think, we all understand the problem with TikTok it is very similar to the problem with other social media. It feels like a strange movie ( is it horror or dramma?) watching America getting rid of their so called liberties... but then again, it's clear that people don't have the power so I guess it's just normal. Business as usual.
She skirted the question about penalties for using out of country VPNs and using tiktok after it's banned.
250k fine and possible prison
No its not about TikTok not being controlled by CIA or FBI. Its being operated in the USA and likely follows the same guidelines as other social media platforms. The issue is who owns it and actually profits from it. Not a big tech company from the Western allies. Its a company that is owned by the Chinese. And its super popular in the West. Sort of a a tit for tat?
OMG are they for real? The Tik Tok isnt killing the people like fenty is. How about briefings on addiction and homelessness. How about these folks get a reality check.
We need to vote those OLD A** criminals out and get some young blood in there.
Tik Tok raises the skirt of the United States too high. They don’t feel comfortable anymore
If such clearly discriminatory bill can get passed, all non-Anglo-Saxon Americans, think what they cannot do to you!
This is about corporations not the people we have a worker shortage you can make more money on TikTok than McDonald’s this is about shareholders
Mind Begs the Question:
If TikTok lead to no Murder
If Pegasus lead to Journalists Murder
More Dangerous - TikTok,Pegasus?
Any time politicians agree on bills - its time to worry people! We are not going to keep the laws set by Cali and Euro? What the hell! This is crazy non sense.
Spying is cool until someone figures out how to spy on them
Great summary of issues, thank you
She should have talked about the Twitter files...
Simple anti Chinese bigotry. Even if you are from Singapore. This hearing proved that.
US the Bully.. 👹🤠🤡
Whether TikTok is banned or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are 49 million kangaroos in Australia and 3.5 million people in Uraguay which means if the kangaroos were to invade Uraguay, each person would have to fight 14 kangaroos.
That's some sense I can throw my dollar behind 👍
You staid up for weeks, waiting for the opportunity to say something stupid and irrelevant. Bet you never have read any piece of legislation in your life.
🌇🈴☔🔥🐑💐 HAHAHAH!!!
As an American, I would rather use an app that gives my info to the Chinese government than the American government, and if I lived in China I would want the opposite. That…just seems like good sense? Idk.
Imagine the torture that those "CCP" agents have to endure, watching hours and hours of teenagers dancing, stupid people trying to be famous doing stupid shi*? 😂😂😂
???
I saw an article the other day about a state using location data from American social media companies to enforce their abortion ban.
It does to me
Agree
Hilarious… sell tik tok to a usa company to save it…
😆 🤣 😂
What about social media users of some 170 countries. Don't they have security concerns too. Which country in the world is notorious for initiating regime change in foreign countries, assasinations of foreign leaders. Is that country a safe place to store data
If TikTok is really spying on users in a way that is more nefarious than the other social media companies then show the evidence and tell users. I support the ban of TikTok on government phones and devices, that makes sense but for everyone else just show us the evidence and let us make our own decisions.
and why not ban other social media apps ? and how about that loyalty program app that knows when you last bought milk ? Don't the the Koch brother(s) ,own the largest data mining operation in the states ? Who do they sell it to ?
@@mikeboate208 spot on 👍
Rand Paul is not popular here, but his objection in the senate is epic :)
Rand Paul's bill is much better than the restrict act
I want TikTok
TikTok is Fun. I like it. TikTok Forever ❤
Why has Democracy in america become more like Autocracy???????????????
This is the rare occasion that the US politicians united to blame one single tech company for all the problems America already has had for decade - gun shots, drugs, sexual abuse and privacy. What is the government's role - isn't their responsibility to ensure security and law enforcement to support businesses, and if a business is abiding the laws and all these problems persist, who would take the blame. So totally agree with that banning Tik Tok would not solve any of these problems, but could only make them worse when a lot of entrepreneurs are relying on it and many ethical and creative content creators are on it. Come on this is digital AI age, mind your own minds and eyes, adults at least 🤪
Hahaha.... "Democracy" censoring opponents.
We need wifi we need TikTok ✌️
Does everything has to b develop in the us to b safe? How is this different from other existing us apps that collecting personal data? ??
The US tech companies fund political parties in the US, hence they can't establish laws to restrict the tech firms.
VPN are a guarantee of privacy, so that's the menace.
Just because you're obsessed with the app (probably) doesn't mean your use of the app can determine what is in America's security interests.
Security for what? Who will be the next massive shooting killer?
You hear about how other countries flipped military agents by tracking them from bars to the Pentagon?
Hint: TikTok wasn't involved. This is how soldiers are tracked to military positions
Tik tok robbery in progress
Tiktok can access my home wifi? You don’t say!
Because Tik Tok can control the household electronic, hahaha. The new version can control human brain, especially the brain borne in US.
Never been about TikTok to them it was about control.
Is tik tok makes people dumb or were they born dumb to watch tik tok?
It's a nice way of saying affecting mental health 😂
1. Banning TikTok won't keep U.S. safe.
2. U.S. is facing numerous critical issues which can tear the country apart.
3. The sad thing is that many internal and external policies of U.S. government are not on the right track.
4. These troubles will accelerate the erosion of its overall strength.
When it comes to shitty foreign policy, the Democrats and Republicans are always united
So glad you covered the Restrict Act! But where is the part about this act being a trojan horse? Where is the part about the argument for the act being a motte and bailey fallacy?
Coin bureau you tube channel explains it
All platforms should be regulated. Benefits outweight risks. Misuse of apps and some harmful videos are not easily detected if the intended party can dodge the algorithms. Educate the people especially the youngsters to evaluate what is right or wrong.
those who use these social media have a lot of time on the hands!
McCarthyism never left Missouri sadly.
When you say spying tell the people you're spying in real time
If they are together then there must be a smell of money somewhere.
US: "When I think you are guilty, you are guilty, evidence is never needed in my court."
TikTok has a lot of problems, sell it to me at a low price or I will ban it!
I'm getting old. They used to blame video games and heavy metal music.