I was waiting for the .45 ACP Dissent but bought the Banshee about 2 months ago. D’oh! Would you guys consider getting the Dissent in .45 ACP and selling your Banshee or is the Banshee compact enough for you?
I have a feeling 45 acp pcc platforms are going to be more popular since suppressor ATF timelines are drastically faster. Not having to buy special subsonic ammo for 45 acp is a great benefit. Great vid as always 💪🏽
just built a 9mm rdb upper with bolt and barrel kit and i see people say this all the time but the cheapest .45 acp is still a decent amount more than 147 rem or federal fmj and thats the inflated bass pro prices, the price oh 45 makes its irrelevent as im concered sure id love to have one but not going to shoot it for almost double the price of 9mm, whats the point
Brilliant Cmmg. A pcc in all the bigger pistol calibers. 9mm, 40S&W, 45, 10mm. Just what Americans need, options. I'm bored with seeing every new gun in 9mm.
This thing is a very odd mating of new and old. If slinging a subsonic with good terminal ballistics is the goal, then get a 450 Bushmaster and load a 395 Hornady Sub-X
For a suppressed PCC though it makes a bunch of sense. Plus plinking with it would be WAY cheaper than 450 bushmaster. Some 230gr maker p-rex bullets would still be pretty nasty subsonic.
@@AussieInCA11 yeah the naturally subsonic pill for little money is the draw here, totally get it. But even for subs in a home defense context I would not go for it. By now you get 300 BLK subs for around a dollar, and those go through 3a like butter. Any 45 ACP will be a nice pancake But for sure it’s a nice range toy to have fun with. As cheap subsonic plinker a 9mm with a heavy pill would be even cheaper
@@nikos6220 did you just mention home defense and the ability to go through level 3a plates as a benefit? You realize no home invader ever in the history of mankind was wearing level 3a plates right? And also you realize over penetration is about a trillion times more likely to be a bigger issue than having to gun fight a guy in body armor right? You do realize that the single most important factor in winning a real life gunfight is weapon prificiency right? How do you expect to be proficient as me when i can get 5 rounds for the price of your 1 round. Im already 5x more prepared than you. How many 300 blk rounds you shot this year? ive gone through about 7k rounds of 9 in the past 6 months.
@@somerandomgamer1260 3a is ultra common soft armor. And proficiency as the key factor is a given and a mute point. No equipment will ever save you if you suck using it. Same as with different types of armor you might want to read up on the concept of diminishing returns
I have the Banshee in 45acp and love it but have a gremlin that rears its ugly head out of nowhere. It will shoot 2000 Rounds flawlessly then all of a sudden a feeding issues. Not a certain magazine or ammo. I’ve sent it back twice and they can’t find anything wrong as well I’m pretty mechanically savy when it comes to firearms. I can’t pin point the issue and it’s driving me crazy
@@jacobdeem8187 9mm is less than half the price per round of those rifle cartridges. For maximum fun pcc is where its at. I have a dissent and its always the most fun gun at the range. Kinda sketchy shooting steel close up with rifles.
I have a Banshee in 300 Blackout with 8” barrel and love it. Just need to get a suppressor for it to utilize how well it does with subsonic rounds, especially since I’m seeing much faster approval times lately.
Love the idea of this thing so much for HD, but there are no perfectly reliable 25rd+ glock mags in .45. Best is probably Kriss converted G21 mags, but they're still not bet your life on it reliable. CMMG and/or Glock really need to make a good one, without it this is just a toy. Much better off with the 9mm or .300blk version strictly for capacity even though I think for HD .45acp is the better cartridge (slightly).
If you want a 45acp AR get a 300 blkout with heavy subs it’s pretty much a 45acp then you can change mags to supers and get better ballistics pistol caliber carbines are over there day is done
This is the way. I built a 10.5 300 blk. It feeds subs and supers flawlessly. 220gr has the same weight and energy as 45 acp and the supers are around 1000 ftlb.
More like a shotgun ... I have a banshee 8.3" upper that I built from a kit (Brownells) with a CMMG lower and I have seen accelerated wear out of the BCG (cam pin) in less than 1000 rnds. CMMG was aces with customer service and sent out a new carrier with cam pin. Jury is out at this point.
Could you do a review of the Newcon Optik NC 6x50 scope? It's about $800, looks like it could be good but I haven't been able to find any information about it at all.
**do I have a question 45 ACP starts losing velocity after about 5 or 6 in of barrel where the powder is all burned off and it's just the forward momentum versus the friction caused by the bullet going down the barrel, has anyone thought of boring out the last 10 inches so it's only 6 inches of rifling but still is 16 inch barrel and the rest just kind of a controlled muzzle blast deflection device but you don't have to get an SBR license for, and have an actual stock on it.
45acp keeps gaining velocity up until about 16" of barrel after that it starts to lose velocity. But if you go to a web page called "ballistics by the inch" it breaks it all down for you. They tested multiple ammos types and calibers, it is actually a pretty interesting site, if you are into that kinda of stuff. Have a good day!
have had a banshee in 45. for a few years. its a jamomatic can not get through a single mag without multiple malfunctions, i have tried every mag on the market their bolt tuning kit ammo etc and it never ran right since day one and cmmg make it damn near imposible to contact them so.....
Mike, please see if you can get the Noveske Gen 4 9mm N9 16" in for review. No one on RUclips has a review posted. I own one, I would love to see your review it, your thoughts, opinions ect. I am actually an NC resident. I live south of Charlotte in a small affluent town here (may give it away to you? While not advertising where I live to everyone, lol). I would be willing to lend you mine for review. At 3k - 3.3k I would like to see your comparison to others in the 2.5k - 3.5k range. (Transparency I got mine on sale 2.6k).
Cool gun, but too expensive for what it is. I've got a rock island 1911. Thinking of getting a recover tactical stabilizer kit for it. Maybe splurge on a few high cap mags? Drum? $450 gun, $200 stabilizer, remainder on mags. I'll be less than $800 into the whole thing. Won't get the velocity advantage of a longer barrel though.
Keep that in mind the recover tactical "stabilizer" is not a brace so you'd have to SBR the pistol. Read the fine print on their website, I made this mistake and sent it back since I didn't want to register my cheap 1911 as a SBR.
Have you seen the Wraithworks WarScorp9? It's apparently been out a few years and I just found out about it. It looks really cool IMO. It's a side-charging Scorpion Mag AR9 with some nice ambi controls.
I don’t know Mrs guns look like she was holding it pretty tight it really should have worked fine the way she shot it. Cmmg is great but $2000 is entering mpx prices
I just wish they put the brass deflector on the PCC versions like they did the rifle versions. I get nothing but brass to the face shooting my 9mm MkG with a can. Left handed tax strikes again!
I would give the ppl at cmmg a pp touch if they would make a dissent 9mm that took scorpion/akv mags the curved mags look way better than straight stick mags
6moa groups are not bad for a 45acp now?? What the heck?? Everyone on the internet was up in arms about LWRCs SMG 45 shooting the exact same size groups as you just shot with your Cmmg dissent. All the gun tubers were telling people not to buy it. Because they thought it had some inherent flaw. That being said i own a LWRC SMG 45 and mine shoots 1-2 moa all damn day. I have seen plenty of others shoot the same small groups as well. I am not saying that LWRC did not put out some guns that had accuracy issues, but it is just weird to see 6-10 inch groups be called dangerous and horrible for one brand and the same size groups be called JUST FINE for another brand. Not saying you did this Mr. GUNand Gear i am not sure if you even reviewed the LWRC SMG 45 but if you have not yet, maybe you should to compare the two guns, they are almost in the same price range.
@@Mrgunsngear I get it thank you for the reply, and for the awesome content, also thank you for covering the Washington state gun control issues, I live in Washington and I greatly appreciate it. Not many youtubers outside of the state have been covering it. So thank you! 🙏
i have been wanting a compact 10mm pcc " ar180 style " for quite some time . when this launched it had me very excited but after talking to cmmg they have no plans of a 10mm at this time 😪 so i will have to settle with a Banshee for now ......
I've been recently looking to purchase a banshee. Although many of the videos on RUclips are at least a year or older many of them have had reliability issues with failure to feed and many people complain about CMMG's customer service. Not sure if I would feel Comfortable spendinG That kind of money into something that is unreliable that you are possibly going to defend your life with and then As I thank you from CMMG They have horrible customer service on top of that.
Currently firing a CMMG Resolute for PCC. My most painful issue is magazines. Promag drum runs flawless, but heavy / bulky. Hoping promag will make some long sticks. Thanks for your vids
@@zanegardner6488 Yes. I failed to detail that. It does run with Glock, but the longest I could find was 13. What I have found with SGM are the front of the feed lips angle outward .018 to .023 allowing the next round to rotate upward early and jam at the top of the chamber. That was on the 3 that I have. Once adjusted they work. Not sure how long yet.
The sound of those steel targets is so loud it makes these videos almost unbearable to watch. Its a shame that cant be fixed or toned down in some way.
how is the accuracy between those 3? I have a dissent 9mm 6.5" and my groupings are similar maybe even a little worse than the groups in this video. Wasnt sure if that is to be expected for a 9mm but almost feel like my handguns shoot better groups sometimes.
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Did they cherry pick the one you got?
Does CMMG give this a 👍 to run 45 Super?
Sounds great, but MSRP almost $2k?!?! I’m gonna pass for now.
@@jamescampbell4334 I don’t have that model but run 45 super in my CCMG dbb Pcc. Unfortunately my brass is getting all mixed up now.
CMMG Banshee is one of my favorite 45ACP PCCs. Great company
Same here. My 45 Banshee with a SiCo Hybrid 46M suppressor is currently running at 91 Db on handloaded 230gr subs. Absolute beast of a PCC.
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I was waiting for the .45 ACP Dissent but bought the Banshee about 2 months ago. D’oh! Would you guys consider getting the Dissent in .45 ACP and selling your Banshee or is the Banshee compact enough for you?
Can’t they use or make their own magazine? Imo, glock mags on pcc looks hideous. I know it’s pure cosmetic, but I prefer curved magazine.
@@thallman91 I'm very happy with my banshee. It's a keeper
Trench Grenade has entered the Chat
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Yeah, his video came out two days ago, he's having the same problems my Banshee 300 currently has
that video was wild
Well, the FM-45 I bought after seeing your video has been a lot of fun..
nice
Saw this on their site and got super intrigued. Thanks for the material to consider! 👍
$1700 is nuts
Hopefully in a year the price will come down with competition.
And horrible groups too.
The accuracy six !!
*LWRC SMG 45* review.
Please and thank you.
Stay classy my friend.
I have a feeling 45 acp pcc platforms are going to be more popular since suppressor ATF timelines are drastically faster. Not having to buy special subsonic ammo for 45 acp is a great benefit. Great vid as always 💪🏽
just built a 9mm rdb upper with bolt and barrel kit and i see people say this all the time but the cheapest .45 acp is still a decent amount more than 147 rem or federal fmj and thats the inflated bass pro prices, the price oh 45 makes its irrelevent as im concered sure id love to have one but not going to shoot it for almost double the price of 9mm, whats the point
@@coal_tactical Yes I agree 9mm is more economical but we all have our tastes. I like the feeling of a V8 better than a 4 banger.
Brilliant Cmmg. A pcc in all the bigger pistol calibers. 9mm, 40S&W, 45, 10mm. Just what Americans need, options. I'm bored with seeing every new gun in 9mm.
True dar enough 9mm
This thing is a very odd mating of new and old. If slinging a subsonic with good terminal ballistics is the goal, then get a 450 Bushmaster and load a 395 Hornady Sub-X
For a suppressed PCC though it makes a bunch of sense. Plus plinking with it would be WAY cheaper than 450 bushmaster.
Some 230gr maker p-rex bullets would still be pretty nasty subsonic.
@@AussieInCA11 yeah the naturally subsonic pill for little money is the draw here, totally get it.
But even for subs in a home defense context I would not go for it. By now you get 300 BLK subs for around a dollar, and those go through 3a like butter. Any 45 ACP will be a nice pancake
But for sure it’s a nice range toy to have fun with. As cheap subsonic plinker a 9mm with a heavy pill would be even cheaper
@@nikos6220 did you just mention home defense and the ability to go through level 3a plates as a benefit? You realize no home invader ever in the history of mankind was wearing level 3a plates right? And also you realize over penetration is about a trillion times more likely to be a bigger issue than having to gun fight a guy in body armor right? You do realize that the single most important factor in winning a real life gunfight is weapon prificiency right? How do you expect to be proficient as me when i can get 5 rounds for the price of your 1 round. Im already 5x more prepared than you. How many 300 blk rounds you shot this year? ive gone through about 7k rounds of 9 in the past 6 months.
@@somerandomgamer1260 3a is ultra common soft armor. And proficiency as the key factor is a given and a mute point. No equipment will ever save you if you suck using it. Same as with different types of armor you might want to read up on the concept of diminishing returns
And for only 1 million dollars
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I have the Banshee in 45acp and love it but have a gremlin that rears its ugly head out of nowhere. It will shoot 2000 Rounds flawlessly then all of a sudden a feeding issues. Not a certain magazine or ammo. I’ve sent it back twice and they can’t find anything wrong as well I’m pretty mechanically savy when it comes to firearms. I can’t pin point the issue and it’s driving me crazy
2 grand for a pcc is kinda crazy. Your a few hundred bucks from a really nice 300 blk or 556 sbr.
Or $1k for a nice MP5 clone if you look.
@@Joe-hz1nw could be, I wouldn't own a pcc simply because you can be the same size in a rifle cartidge
@@jacobdeem8187 not everything has to be practical. Once you have your serious bases covered, have some fun.
@@Joe-hz1nw I hear ya. My practicality will only allow me to bend so far lol
@@jacobdeem8187 9mm is less than half the price per round of those rifle cartridges. For maximum fun pcc is where its at. I have a dissent and its always the most fun gun at the range. Kinda sketchy shooting steel close up with rifles.
I know you don’t do a lot of comparisons videos but I would love to see the dissent and the mpx go head to head.
Thanks for what you do Mike!
Got my eyes on this and the 300 blackout version.
nice
300BLK would definitely be more accurate that's for sure.
I have a Banshee in 300 Blackout with 8” barrel and love it. Just need to get a suppressor for it to utilize how well it does with subsonic rounds, especially since I’m seeing much faster approval times lately.
What holster model are you running? I’m wanting a level 3 retention optic ready holster for my Glock 47. Great video as always
Oh yes i want this
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Love the idea of this thing so much for HD, but there are no perfectly reliable 25rd+ glock mags in .45. Best is probably Kriss converted G21 mags, but they're still not bet your life on it reliable. CMMG and/or Glock really need to make a good one, without it this is just a toy. Much better off with the 9mm or .300blk version strictly for capacity even though I think for HD .45acp is the better cartridge (slightly).
If you want a 45acp AR get a 300 blkout with heavy subs it’s pretty much a 45acp then you can change mags to supers and get better ballistics pistol caliber carbines are over there day is done
This is the way. I built a 10.5 300 blk. It feeds subs and supers flawlessly. 220gr has the same weight and energy as 45 acp and the supers are around 1000 ftlb.
T-pain is gonna love this gun 😂
Was this made for companies with PUFF charters?
Awesome review. Did you find this to be a pretty noisy host for 45? Any loads you would recommend for low noise?
More like a shotgun ... I have a banshee 8.3" upper that I built from a kit (Brownells) with a CMMG lower and I have seen accelerated wear out of the BCG (cam pin) in less than 1000 rnds. CMMG was aces with customer service and sent out a new carrier with cam pin. Jury is out at this point.
Why no 10mm?
grandson to the M3
Could you do a review of the Newcon Optik NC 6x50 scope? It's about $800, looks like it could be good but I haven't been able to find any information about it at all.
**do I have a question 45 ACP starts losing velocity after about 5 or 6 in of barrel where the powder is all burned off and it's just the forward momentum versus the friction caused by the bullet going down the barrel, has anyone thought of boring out the last 10 inches so it's only 6 inches of rifling but still is 16 inch barrel and the rest just kind of a controlled muzzle blast deflection device but you don't have to get an SBR license for, and have an actual stock on it.
45acp keeps gaining velocity up until about 16" of barrel after that it starts to lose velocity. But if you go to a web page called "ballistics by the inch" it breaks it all down for you. They tested multiple ammos types and calibers, it is actually a pretty interesting site, if you are into that kinda of stuff. Have a good day!
After seeing the accuracy of the 40sw Banshee ( sub moa) So tired of manufacturers pandering to Feds and idiots.
A .45 in a 19:11 min. long video... well played
have had a banshee in 45. for a few years. its a jamomatic can not get through a single mag without multiple malfunctions, i have tried every mag on the market their bolt tuning kit ammo etc and it never ran right since day one and cmmg make it damn near imposible to contact them so.....
After watching this, Im not very impressed, looks more like a shotgun and anything else
Mike, please see if you can get the Noveske Gen 4 9mm N9 16" in for review. No one on RUclips has a review posted. I own one, I would love to see your review it, your thoughts, opinions ect. I am actually an NC resident. I live south of Charlotte in a small affluent town here (may give it away to you? While not advertising where I live to everyone, lol). I would be willing to lend you mine for review. At 3k - 3.3k I would like to see your comparison to others in the 2.5k - 3.5k range. (Transparency I got mine on sale 2.6k).
I’ll review it for you if you send it to me
Cool gun, but too expensive for what it is.
I've got a rock island 1911. Thinking of getting a recover tactical stabilizer kit for it. Maybe splurge on a few high cap mags? Drum? $450 gun, $200 stabilizer, remainder on mags. I'll be less than $800 into the whole thing. Won't get the velocity advantage of a longer barrel though.
Keep that in mind the recover tactical "stabilizer" is not a brace so you'd have to SBR the pistol. Read the fine print on their website, I made this mistake and sent it back since I didn't want to register my cheap 1911 as a SBR.
@@steazHey, thanks! I was wondering about that. There goes that idea😮
Sorry, but for that kind of money, I'd expect/demand better groups.
TNW Aerorifle in many calibers with 45 being one.
I'll keep my G21 with a arm brace, it'll groupe better than this thing !!
Wish i could see some curved mags, i think it would be a lot more good looking pcc.....
Finally an AR-15 for boomers
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This is just .300 blackout with extra steps lmao
fair enough
That suppressor sucks if it cant even suppress .45..you should be able to take your ears off
Holy crap, how can the receiver handle the power of God's Caliber?!
Very cool. However my to own list is very large. The more I'm interested the better chance of a gun jumping to top of list. Not this one.
Mike, another great firearm breakdown, thanks for your work and research before presentation all these years!!
So it’s not an AR then.
This should be awesome
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id love to see one in 10mm
Have you seen the Wraithworks WarScorp9? It's apparently been out a few years and I just found out about it. It looks really cool IMO. It's a side-charging Scorpion Mag AR9 with some nice ambi controls.
Great video
Thanks!
I hope they will make it in 10mm with Glock mag, can someone tell them that ?!
Thing is beautiful can't lie
Test,it w/o the supressor.
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Good video; regretfully not impressed with the accuracy. I get the same groups from a much less expensive .45 blowback PCC.
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I don’t know Mrs guns look like she was holding it pretty tight it really should have worked fine the way she shot it. Cmmg is great but $2000 is entering mpx prices
rdb is better than mpx
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Looks like it recoils less than my Stribog in 9.
I just wish they put the brass deflector on the PCC versions like they did the rifle versions. I get nothing but brass to the face shooting my 9mm MkG with a can. Left handed tax strikes again!
you mean armorlight riflings 9 flanged 45. not even a full ar9-45 aka, "the big tex" look it up. not ar15's
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While were talking about .45 acp.. do you think there will be a Sig 1911X review soon ?
Thanks for the review. Really enjoyed. Yet again, something I can’t get in California…lol
As I am a big fan of the MK10 I wonder which has more recoil and muzzle flip? The Dissent or the Banshee with a buffer tube and buffer?
"It was called the Guard." -MrGunsngear.
Don't tell me who I can quote!
I would give the ppl at cmmg a pp touch if they would make a dissent 9mm that took scorpion/akv mags the curved mags look way better than straight stick mags
6moa groups are not bad for a 45acp now?? What the heck?? Everyone on the internet was up in arms about LWRCs SMG 45 shooting the exact same size groups as you just shot with your Cmmg dissent. All the gun tubers were telling people not to buy it. Because they thought it had some inherent flaw. That being said i own a LWRC SMG 45 and mine shoots 1-2 moa all damn day. I have seen plenty of others shoot the same small groups as well. I am not saying that LWRC did not put out some guns that had accuracy issues, but it is just weird to see 6-10 inch groups be called dangerous and horrible for one brand and the same size groups be called JUST FINE for another brand. Not saying you did this Mr. GUNand Gear i am not sure if you even reviewed the LWRC SMG 45 but if you have not yet, maybe you should to compare the two guns, they are almost in the same price range.
that's one group with one load. the other two were smaller - that's how it typically works
@@Mrgunsngear I get it thank you for the reply, and for the awesome content, also thank you for covering the Washington state gun control issues, I live in Washington and I greatly appreciate it. Not many youtubers outside of the state have been covering it. So thank you! 🙏
I really love this, but it makes me feel like they’re going to release a 10mm dissent so I’m holding out for that
I liked the Guard with 8" barrel in 45 acp, but went with the 9mm. Silly me!!!
Better than blackout. Yes, i own both. Ask coyotes, they agree 🐕
i have been wanting a compact 10mm pcc " ar180 style " for quite some time . when this launched it had me very excited but after talking to cmmg they have no plans of a 10mm at this time 😪 so i will have to settle with a Banshee for now ......
I like CMMG Products,however I like my Honey Badger 300 7 in Blackout much better.
Q sent me 😅😅😅😅
nice
Legit build I have been on a similar quest for my AR to be as flat as possible. #unrivaled
I would like to hear your review of the MPX vs. the blow back systems.
coming one of these days
Still one of my favorite YT channels even if you don't review it.
Omg is that a kobra optic?
no
@@Mrgunsngear 🤔 maybe I'm confusing, its a russian red dot, right?
Nice compact home defence piece , and i already have an omega 46m . Thanks for the great review . And lol ar the kim t shirt 🤣 lmao.
I want 10mm
Duly noted
Why not 10mm?
Yikes. That’s horrible accuracy / groups.
Duly noted
I clicked on this because the cool optic. What is that
Does this mean the venerable UMP finally has some competition?
I can barely afford 9mm no way am I getting this
I want to see the pistol version in 7.62x39
Oh yeah let me just put my thumb on the definitely not gonna be hot bolt. That’s a great idea
I've been recently looking to purchase a banshee. Although many of the videos on RUclips are at least a year or older many of them have had reliability issues with failure to feed and many people complain about CMMG's customer service. Not sure if I would feel Comfortable spendinG That kind of money into something that is unreliable that you are possibly going to defend your life with and then As I thank you from CMMG They have horrible customer service on top of that.
Imagine how much better it would look with the mag angled straight down or forward. I hate how these things look.
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Currently firing a CMMG Resolute for PCC. My most painful issue is magazines. Promag drum runs flawless, but heavy / bulky. Hoping promag will make some long sticks. Thanks for your vids
No way it doesn't work with stock Glock mags.... I don't believe that at all
@@zanegardner6488 Yes. I failed to detail that. It does run with Glock, but the longest I could find was 13. What I have found with SGM are the front of the feed lips angle outward .018 to .023 allowing the next round to rotate upward early and jam at the top of the chamber. That was on the 3 that I have. Once adjusted they work. Not sure how long yet.
This would be a great home defense gun.
How's that optic holding up?
The sound of those steel targets is so loud it makes these videos almost unbearable to watch. Its a shame that cant be fixed or toned down in some way.
ps, not trying to be a dick. Just offering my thoughts as a viewer.
Cool rig.
Thank you
How does the silencer affect the accuracy ?
Cool, now make it in 10mm
Expensive but very nice.
I’ve got 3 Dissents, 9mm, 300 blk out, 6 arc, and I’m all in on the CMMG dissent. 0 malfunctions. Mostly my reloads shot through them.
how is the accuracy between those 3? I have a dissent 9mm 6.5" and my groupings are similar maybe even a little worse than the groups in this video. Wasnt sure if that is to be expected for a 9mm but almost feel like my handguns shoot better groups sometimes.
@@somerandomgamer1260no. Dry different ammo
What red dot is that?
What is that red dot ?
Eotech 512 or the Novus PDS-1 or the Holosun AEMS
Did you try any plus p ammo in that? Can it handle that?
I didn't but should be fine
I want it !