Project 1794 - The US Military's VZ-9 Avrocar Flying Saucer
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In 2012, a memo titled “Project 1794 Final Development Summary Report 2 April-30 May 1956” was finally declassified by the United States Air Force describing an aircraft with the capability of flying [QUOTE] “between Mach 3 and Mach 4, a ceiling of over 100,000 ft. and a maximum range with allowances of about 1,000 nautical miles.” Schematics with the report revealed an intimidating and revolutionary form. Jointly developed with the Avro Canada aircraft manufacturing company, Project 1794 was to be America’s secret flying saucer. Its mission would be to hunt down and intercept Soviet long-range bombers. Its otherwordly shape would have the added effect of bringing psychological war to the enemy... 
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This airframe belongs on Dark Runways, since it never really flew higher than 3ft.
Exactly as it had no lift, only ground effect. The turbine engine probably could have flown on its own without the VZ-9 Avrocar, however...
They made one being able to go to Mach 3
Pate Livid on paper...
how do they deduce on paper this thing will fly mach-3 and 100k + feet.
seems like someones calculations were just a bit off lmao
@@coleomo Let's imagine it was a good excuse to build some kind of -dark- black project...
New meaning for UFO...
Unflyable Faulty Object.
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Yes. It is a taco 🌮
Unsold Frustrating Oreo
Haha! Good joke
Unwanted fkedup Object!
On a subject, it cut the grass on the test range, and the backyard never looked better.
@Derek Xie At the end it cost over 10 million USD. And it did not even come with a spare cutting blade.
I hear they are adapting the long lost technology for unmanned commercial use to maintain parking lots. It will be marketed as the Broomba.
@@garfieldsmith332 pretty cheap compared to the billions spend on B2....
@@hansjorgkunde3772 True. And the final total for all the failed projects of the 1950's would be in the tens of billions.
Omg, those YT comments... 🤣🤣
This "Flying Saucer" was created where I worked for many years in Malton Ontario as a sister project to The Avro Arrow. You can see footage of the building where I manned a toll crib in the background of this footage. it was actually more of a hovercraft, but who can say what it may have morphed into had it not been cancelled.
about 70 years ago. imagine what they tinker with now....
Rail guns, plasma weapons, lasers... all in development or in a few cases operational.
no I don't think plasma weapons are possible or practical. You need to create an electromagnetic field that encases and follows the plasma to it's target, which is just ridiculous
@@pleaseenteranamelol711 US Army has an Electrolaser operational and I'm gonna be 'that guy' and say that the ionized path to the target being plasma counts as a plasma weapon. And If you use a positively charged capacitor or + DC power supply the ion drift is opposite to the flow of electrons in the air, which accelerates it to the target as a dense ion wind.
Yeah the US military is said to be 30 years ahead of its civilian tech. But that was in the 60’s imagine how far ahead they are now. US military had internet in the 60’s and civilians got it and thought it was brand new in 1988/1990’s it’s crazy . I wonder what the, I think it’s black box project has now. It may not be called that but the project where they spend more money then some other nations do on their normal military . The project is super secret stuff . Area 51 and more secret then that .
@@pleaseenteranamelol711 maybe not like a bolt or bullet shape field but possibly a long narrow pipeline being solidly projected. Almost like a beam of light. Then maybe sling the plasma through that beam.
It is a mystery to me how anybody with even the most rudimentary understanding of aerodynamics and engine technology could believe this design would ever fly, reach any significant speed, let alone go supersonic.
Because it wasn't, it was a decoy ... probably
@@blakeperdue3706 the Grand Canyon had a UFO crash there about a hundred years ago
@@blakeperdue3706 decoy for what?
@@hugostiglitz6914 for the USSR duh
@@lostvayne104 ok, the Canadians spent a considerable amount of time and money researching this and then we spent even more money trying to get it working!!. If they wanted a decoy they'd just have to do like they do at Area51 and allow the conspiracy theorists run riot about non existent alien technology! That cost them nothing!!
This Frost guy was a genius in securing funds, to waste them.
And officials, really bad at managing budgets. What a joke.
Mach 3.5 =)))
Yes but thats the official public account.
Not what may have been possiblity achieved and kept secret?
at that time he was a genius. you cannot compare with a modern technology today. It is still a good concept and human just gotto keep up with a better engineering that's all. TR-3B was a success. This is just a history of technology. One day we will be reached to the speed of Alien spaceship for sure.
Pretty sure they only declassified this in 2012 because one could easily relate this technology to the one used on the hovercrafts the US marines and NAVY use ;) By the late 50's they already had all their efforts towards reverse engineering of real space crafts. Even in 1960, 2 million for a military program is nothing. Peanuts literally. They paid even more for a pencil in space. People think all that money was stolen, some of it, most likely, but back than everything was of quality and not cheap if you wanted precise engineering. Today we can build 3d models and virtualizations, back then you had to build the model before even beginning to think. Today a thousand dollar computer can replace possibly millions and millions in materials, work hours, calculations, etc. Back then everything, EVERYTHING almost was men powered. We only had tools.Not AI. This is why our technology growth is so exponential since the discovery of computers and we will most likely see that future we all dreamed of, possibly before dying of old age. If so.
@@エネ-n1c Well just the fact his military "challenge" was to pass a 18 inch ditch, shows they had other interests in his technology than mach 3.5 flight. lol. Dark docs is like a 15 yrs old kid with braces man. He sensationalises stuff and puts music on shet thats been collecting rust in museums for half a century than calls it a day. LOL
@@PatTheRiot yes I agree with your statement.
That's some ominous music for an overpriced frisbee.
Social Pariah exactly
Frisbees are faster
@@TShepard Maybe that's the secret to the stability issues. Spin the whole thing like a frisbee.
One very important point you left out , that is in other avrocar videos, The avrocar FLEW OVER A TEN FOOT HIGH FENCE.
My Drafting highschool teacher (last year before the school bought their 1st dedicated CAD machines). Worked on that project, he was a draftsman at Avro in Canada in the 1950's. He brought in some old blueprints in the classroom for us to look at.
ME: "Run of the mill failed dream aircraft..."
Dark Skies: *Scary Music Intensifies, Dark Voice Begins* "in 2012, a memo titled 'project 1794'..."
Me: "This is terrifying..!"
Yeah the tone of voice the narrator uses and music are a bit ridiculous.
Try synchronizing Bennie Hill song, has opposite effect.
@@nautdead3197 Yeah he sounds like he's either nervous or a little dyslexic so he just fires it out at super luminal speeds he needs to relax.
More footage of the Avrocar than i have seen before! Another good story is the AVRO Arrow. Built in Canada but cancelled for political reasons.Great history, thanks!
Cancelled because technology moved on and they needed a dedicated interceptor aircraft about as much as they needed a new pattern of cavalry saber.
Justanotherconsumer wasn’t it replaced with a SAM systems what was lacklustre sold by the USA?
@@Justanotherconsumer Lots of excuses, what-ifs, politics, etc. USA and Britain were developing their own interceptors. Thus there were no markets. The Uncle SAM said " Buy the BOMARC and we will help protect you". Cheaper for Canada. They also had the CF-100 to do the work in the meantime. So with CF-100s and BOMARCs, and no cash paying customers for the CF-105 it was canned. Same issues happened years before with C-102 jetliner. USA and Britain in competition, no cash paying customers, and we need to concentrate on the CF-100, thus the C-102 goes into the can. Today they have interceptors with guided missiles for defense. They are the offspring of the CF-105 concepts. However politics was the main reason, a good way to gut the competition and snatch all that great talent from the brain bank to work in your aircraft and aerospace industry.
@@jazzhandsparten Yeah a US cast-off decided by their president and agreed too by our Prime-minister....pathetic....
Feelzbad CHAI Bomarc was definitely not the greatest thing slice sliced bread.
Reality was that there wasn’t enough of a market for multiple interceptors in NATO, and the performance of the Arrow wasn’t anything unusual compared to the existing F-106 (introduced 1959, the year the Arrow was canceled) and the proposed XF-108 (canceled the same year as the Arrow).
One of these is currently on display at the Aviation Museum in my hometown of Winnipeg, MB. I've touched it myself
Was it stable when you touched it?
@@randym9147 it was. Cause it was sitting flat on the ground lol
I have been a Dark 5 sub for a long time and I am loving the new channel additions. I am a huge aviation fan, so these videos are amazing, keep it up and thank you for the years of entertainment and quality content.
You realize that, with today's electronic control systems, powerplants, and lightweight composite materials, we could probably get this to fly today
They probably have these things flying around but just havnt told the public lol
Still makes me wonder how much of NASA's experience with keeping these critters even remotely stable later benefited the development of the Apollo program's "Flying Bedstead".
My grandfather used to talk about flying saucers, guess he wasn't so crazy after all!
Do you call this flying? This was failing saucer, at best.
@@voornaam3191 Slightly-hovering saucer
That's so awesome they made a video. My great uncle Walt was one of the test pilots. This is awesome.
Jack Frost: We need a name for this saucer project.
Jeff: Why a saucer?
Jack Frost: “Why” is good, but a bit on the nose. We’ll go with “Project Y”
With today's technology in thrust vectoring and computers, I'll bet we have one of these flying somewhere.
I was thinking fly by wire would solve instability.
With advances in VTOL technology this could be made to work.
GrOuNdZeRo7777 Dangerous Things Channel ufos has overflown on more than 1s. I think that weird. cough cough
For what purpose though?
None of the design features of this thing have any benefits over modern known systems.
How much fuel does the proposed re-engineered vehicle burn?
What is the lift capacity of said vehicle with computer-controlled thrust vectoring?
@@rifleshooterchannel208 propoganda
Die Glocke 2- Disk Igloo
My Dad, who was a United States Army officer, found this craft in a junkyard and had it brought to Fort Eustis in Virginia and put on display in front of the base's museum, which is the last place I saw it during the 70's.
There's a great book that partly covers this aircraft's development - 'The Hunt For Zero Point' by Nick Cook. They basically nicked a German design that was being tested in Czechoslovakia during the war. Now you can see where all those 1950s UFO sightings came from .... I think someone came up with a more refined version that has remained classified. It strikes me that all the failures they had that are described here were the kind of engineering problems that modern CAD would have partly helped to accelerate, but back then they had trail and error.
This vehicle was not a flying saucer it was the first attempt at an air cushion vehicle. Its max altitude was about 10 ft and was abandoned because it was almost uncontrollable at that altitude. It used to be mounted on the root of the army transportation museum at Ft. Eustis VA before it was returned to Canada (Where it was manufactured).
It didn't use air cushion or lift jets of ducted fans. It used Coanda effect.
A military or private company could make one fly with today's technology.
call Elon Musk ;-)
I got to see this thing on display in Ohio when I was in college. Being a total sci-fi nut (and the fact that it looks cool as hell) I immediately went over to investigate, but was disappointed to learn from it's display plaque that it was considered a failure. I wonder what could have come of it if the military had decided to continue the project; we might have had some gnarly-looking scout vehicles or light hover tanks by now. :)
A true friend of mine retired after 35 years of service in the U.S.A.F.I had known him for years and one day I got up the nerve to ask him about flying discs.His one and only reply was yes,there are flying ships,but we ourselves are doing the flying!
I think the "Flying Flapjack" would have done better than this one, but this one looks a lot more like an actual flying saucer. It's so pretty.
I’m in the Air Force and I seen something more refined flying over our heads the day I shipped out. It was a realization
I saw it at the transportation museum at Fort Eustis Virginia. I think the frame they had it on was probably the highest altitude it ever achieved.
I'll swear on a stack of bibles that I saw the same airframe (no engines or control surfaces) on said frame parked in a display and open to the public at a patch of beach near Myrtle Beach SC approximately 1968-70. It was parked on a high (6 foot tall) 45 degree inclined frame, sort of like it's operational flight profile was supposed to be. All the other aircraft were current and very dilapidated (think scrapped and stripped for parts non-flyable stuff) and there amongst the other junk was this thing. Like spotting the Batmobile in a junkyard.
The late Rob Rich, CEO of Lockheed Martin Skunkworks stated in '86 "we have mastered the technology to send ET back home" .
Sounds like frost wasn't much of an engineer at all, more of a travelling salesman!
EXACTALLY the type person that these "...in the name of war..." projects attract. It is hard to believe that engineers, or should I say "management" who dictate the work of engineers, thought this concept could FLY.
Does that mean young students in today's engineering colleges are smarter then the post war engineers???
Or, was something discovered and kept secret? The time spent on this project is hard to justify otherwise.
@@rogerc.roberts4705 It should be noted that this occurred during the early 1950s, where Jet engines themselves where incredibly new, and Helicopters hadn't been around for that long either. You can get your slide rule out, and do a whole lot of math which should tell you something aught to preform a certain way, build it, and find out you misjudged how air was going to behave with this. *Now* we have computers that could have told you something like this was going to have problems, but it took a lot of money and not a few dead test pilots to drive the creation of Computational Fluid Dynamics software.
That said, in the Avro-Car's case, there was some sunk-cost-fallacy going on. But there where lessons learned that where later applied to other Vtol aircraft, such as the Harrier and F35B. Modern technology has allowed a few folks to make small ground effect vehicles that out-preform this thing by leaps and bounds (the human-sized quad-copters floating around the internet come to mind)
DFX2KX the area rule is definitely one of those “we didn’t understand the physics” situations.
The F-102 is another example of the “didn’t do what the math claimed” situation.
Indeed.
What I don't understand is could they not have made a small model -
proof - of - concept version?
Like 2/3ft in diameter *before* actually trying to build a full sized saucer?
Any modelling would've proved they were flogging a dead horse.?
Frost was a brilliant engineer, but made too many revisions, cut-backs and short cuts to appease goal post shifting DOD goons who never wanted the project in the first place, but had to justify to select committees their Budgets.
The initial design was quite a large vehicle utilising LFTR engines and computational assisted flight controls, the precursor to F117 flight controls, thanks to the pressure to deliver ‘a product’ Frost binned everything, decreasing airframe by 60% accepting traditional aviation fuel engines, and fly by cable, ultimately confining the concept to the dustbin, but then all it had been was a 2nd approach to the ‘Flux Liner’ question; anti-gravity technology.
Some would say that Frost was one of the many Soviet plants in Avro. The money time ad skills wasted by this fellow were extremely strategic
The X29 from DARPA had several computers making hundreds of corrections per second. A similar computer system and modern construction materials would make control and stability much more manageable.
Definitely explains ALL or most of the UFO reports
I remember going to the Dayton Air Force Museum when I was little and saw the flying saucer, and then the next time I went it was gone and I thought I went crazy. Funnily enough, when I took a trip to the experimental hanger it was there. I knew I wasn't crazy
Great as always
That's it? That's your "ultimate weapon"?
-General Armquist
Beautiful craft. Pity about the performance.
I think we should invest more heavily into this “psychological war” idea with future vehicles
The avro jetliner was something to marvel at ,even Howard Hughes test flew it
In sci-fi movies the flying saucer doesn’t use a fan it uses anti-gravity engines or a core like the Enterprise allowing flying saucers heavier than our aircraft carriers and armed with photon torpedos. once we discover a world with the rare substance used by the starship Enterprise, we’ll make a real one.
I always wanted the Mythbusters to answer why this project lasted as long as it did. It's failure seems so predictable. Your video explains many of my questions.
The Avro car was just of proof of concept of the hoover capability for the saucer. Work after that concentrated on the 1794 and some variations.I happened upon the documents for the 1794 back around 1984. Copied some of it and gave the rest to a historical society. I'm guessing they didn't do much with it because I gather the US government didn't declassifed it until 2012. A friend who worked on it told me a funny story about it. work was being done in an old ( I think wooden)building and this engineer was up on the roof looking down on it when they tried a first start up. The design involved dump cans around the perimeter as you can se in some of the drawings. When they started it up it set fire all around the building with the guy i knew in the middle on the roof. They couldn't get past the flames to turn it off until someone thought to turn the fuel off which was piped into the building from the ourside.
This thing was so top secret, back in the late 80s a Discovery Channel program Wings did a detailed episode on it.
This video and channel popped up in my suggestion list. Well I am now subscribed and enjoying it! Great work, great videos, great topics!
imagine if they were still working on it, with the way we've figured out thrust vectoring and improved jet engine tech, this idea can potentially work now
Bae: come over
Me: I can't i'm working on my UFO
Bae: I'm home alone
me: 0:30
Make your enemy think they're getting invaded by aliens what a better way to cause chaos LMAO😂
This story is an excellent demonstration of a powerful fact: it's more important to get funding for a project than to succeed. This was an idiotic idea, but look how many people got paid.
I disagree. It was a good idea, but when it didn't pan out by 1956, that's when this project should have been scuttled.
wouldnt be surprised if the original plane was shelved only to be remade like the b2 bomber
Frost should have incurred criminal charges for financial negligence. It’s clear to see that his approach to attempting to solve the problems with his “UFO” was rudimentary mechanics rather than computational assistance, which already existed in the 60’s.
The Avro manufacturing plant went on to build wings for the CF-18 Hornet back in 1980. When that project was done, the plant was used to build wings for the McDonnell-Douglas aircraft. In 1997 Boeing bought the plant and made wings for their aircraft. In 2005 they closed down the plant for good. It is now an empty field.
The flying saucer that never flew
Loving the new channel
Nice capture of a bloke scratching his balls at 3:18.
lmao he was really given'er eh?
My dad worked on this thing, and al he would say about it was that it didn't work, and never would.
Because he knew telling you about the working ones would get you both killed
@@aaronlegend14 No, actually this thing really just didn't work.
My family had one of those when we lived in Canada. It sucked.
I believe it was called a Flymo.
when you queued the sad piano music I got some heavy feels
Instead of them using it as a military weapon, this could have been the new flying car. With the tech we have today, we'll be able to figure out the balance issues.
Look at 3:15. The bloke is so impressed with plane he starts scratching his balls!!!! Just hilarious to capture this footage.
Awesome video as always. The official stats for this vehicle are ridiculous. For example it never got off the ground higher than 3 feet and it was massively unstable then. Nowadays with our computer control technology we could probably make one of those and have it work but it would have no additional benefits other than vertical takeoff. And traditional fighter craft would out perform it in every other way massively.
I wonder if something like this could work with modern design and propulsion technology
Well you can by remote control drones with cameras for fliming right?
So although slightly different technology similar ideology?
Since this thing had an open cockpit, I doubt they intended it to go supersonic.
A 100000 feet ... exactly. It was a joke.
Britain really were the pioneers of vertical take off aircraft, at the same time the British Short SC.1 became the first to transition between vertical and horizontal flight modes. Mad to think this was only because nuclear war was a real threat and they presumed they would have no airfields to take off from, now just 60 years later you have the F-35, goes to show how quickly technology progresses.
More like 40 years later but the f-35 has been one of the most over-budget and behind schedule projects in aviation history
If you think about it this is in the fifty’s computers started to become useful in the 60s 70s and they have exploded technology now think how far this technology has come
I believe this went black eventually. With today's servos, more powerful fan blade designs, batteries, motors and servos...this thing would have been a beast.This is the Coanda effect.
build a larger SEARL GENERATOR for the center part (the faster the searl generator spins, it develops it's own antigravity) then just put some light jet engines to it to move it
Avro also produced a full scale mock-up of a shovel-shaped tail sitter design. I have a photo of an unidentified craft with the exact same profile in flight.
I wonder if the ion lifters could be used for this. They can't lift weight but maybe at the bottom, a series of ion lifters and with enough power, something stable and a little more silent. Don't know about the 'mock speed capabilities' but it would be a great use for scouting and getting wounded troops out of a combat situation quickly.
It’s interesting that it was just declassified. I wonder anyone else would try to work out the problems and build one that actually works. I think it would be cool to drive a flying saucer
I like how it keeps showing The same to video clips to the whole entire presentation
Instead of project paper clip this was project paper weight.
Glad they decided to keep them instead of scrapping them. Interesting part of aviation history persevered for future generations
I can’t help but notice the striking similarity of function of the landing gear to my son’s bicycle training wheels
Why the eerie music really just killed the vibe of the cool flying soucer
It was designed to be a replacement for the Jeep, never to fly more than 36 inches above the ground allowing access over any terrain a wheeled vehicle could not travel on.. If they had put a skirt around it like modern hovercraft it would have worked.
Very easy to make with our electronics now days. Flying in ground effect is a lot different than at 30 thousand feet.
Wow ........ futuristic
Thanks for the upload of Canadian aerospace tech, the special projects group was eventually transformed into SPAR aerospace that built the Canadarm for the shuttles.
If there's anything I have learned about getting a defense contract, the product has to look cool.
Still more reliable than any Malaysia airlines flight
Inside Job < Yanks and Limeys masterminds
"Focussing Ring"? I would have walked out, at that.
3:19 major ball scratch
But why the " Saucer" shape. Were they trying to replicate something they saw or captured?
We always worry about the aliens outside our world but we should really be worried about the ones already in our atmosphere
Kinda disappointed that they didn't make an unmanned version with a higher thrust to weight ratio and just stopped here. They really should revisit it. Think about how cool it would be to have a plane that can fly in any direction!
Around 1960 Northrop did research on a flying saucer. It may have been part of the AVRO Car development
I watched a lengthy documentary once that included this one, it was a part of a ground effect program testing various kinds of hovercraft vehicles to see if they could replace jeeps (results were negative for all entries). Didn’t mention anything about flight much less supersonic.
Dark Skys could put out some crazy April fools videos
Thats just the prime mover segment for another craft that works fine. Sling the bigger portion on top of and around this power cell and it works fine. The reason is why put out a heat signature and to determine flow dynamics like laminar and cyclic in a bigger dish to ensure the proper function of the faster printer like manufacture of metal products. And to make better replacement organs for human or animals medicine in exact replacement category. This is then also a Macromolecular Polyhedral Stoicimetry assignment in multi dimensional skeletal and tissue regeneration enhancer.
I hope that as they transported this prototype to and from museums, they were as suspicious as possible. Bonus points if they got the directions wrong and somehow ended up in Roswell.
100,000 ft saucer shaped flying saucer at Mac 3.
Here's our aliens flying saucer l think not.
Man has lied to the world about aliens.
I want one .... also ; there was a nuclear craft , built by the US Military , it left contamination in the down draft , and was seen as a UFO in NE USA , I remember , some exposed individuals became sick , and there was severe damage to trees and ground cover , where the craft hovered. This was over 40 years ago.
I saw the one in Virginia as a kid.I never knew there were only two in the world.
This is the deep, dark cold war stuff I love to learn about.
you guys HAVE !!! to do a video on the CF105 Arrow. That plane alone is a Dark Doc/Skies worthy subject !
The cancelation of the Avro Arrow fighter jet was a shame for Canada, but damn, I'm glad we canceled this AvroCar project because as it was going in tests, releasing this would have made Canadian engineering a farce.
Dark Ground Effects
I believe this craft is now on display at Ft. Eustis, Va.