Hey Mate. The AR pro is designed to use the full servo travel with a standard Delta Mixer. In Ardupilot the servos are always limited between 1100 and 1900us pulses. You have to set them to the full 1000-2000 range and if you want to have more authority on pitch then raise the pitch mixer weight to 60% and it flies like a dream. Also what do you mean with Factory trim? It is supposed to have 2-3mm uptrim with the CG on the marks. if that is not the case it can also kill your pitch authority.
Ehm.. Incorrect... First in the official text they say 1.5-2.0mm uptrim. Second they clearly state 12mm max throw. Not sure where you are getting your info.
@@dimitarkrastev6085 Yes you are right about the recommended throw of 1.5-2mm but 3mm also won't hurt at all for pitch authority and if the control surfaces twist slightly on assembly this is guesswork anyway and impossible to measure precisely. And second: to get the 12mm throw you have to use the full servo range of 1000-2000 with the PNP setup on a 50:50 Elevon mix. So this is totally correct. And where I get my infos from? Maybe from Sonicmodell as I am one of their Review Pilots they get feedback from for possible refinements?
Your CG theory is spot on. This wing actually has a good range of where it likes to fly once you get back 10mm or so from the CG marks. Even using a more powerful motor, the stock set up will take almost full throttle stick to launch, and it is heavy if you are up in the 1300-1400g range. On mine i was able to drop over 100g's of AUW just by relocating electronics and moving the CG back the 10mm. Now i am at just over 1200g's AUW. Easier launch and lighter landings. The crash sucks, I had the same sort of damage but also separated the left wing as well. Gorilla glue got it all back together, but some major surgery to the battery/electronics bay floor was necessary. The whole front half of the floor exploded into the little foam pellets. Had to cut the entire bottom out and replace with plywood. Looks a little Frankenstein now but it works. Seems to be a common damage area. As for the anemic performance, you need to up the throws a little, the 12mm recommended isn't enough. You need some good speed to get anything close to a faster axial roll rate. Open the throws up to 16mm or more, and up your gains as well. Another suggestion would be to cut off the stock elevons and replace them with balsa elevon stock and nylon Dubro hinges. The stock hinges are so stiff due to being so thick. If you cut them off you will see that the 9g servos are working hard to move the control surface. The nylon hinges will free up the motion a lot, quicker response and better resolution. The balsa elevons will be just as light as the stock ones but just more rigid once covered in monokote, especially out at the trailing edge where there is no carbon spar, its pretty flexy out there. This is where it will feel more locked in and stable. Once this is all done of coarse set up your servos with sub-trims to mechanical center, and then the reflex through the control rods as close as possible. This will take out any mechanical differential from one elevon to the other. All this in and it will be more responsive, dialed in like you are in control sort of feel.
Thanks, good advice! I could do that... or I could just leave it like this and just not do aerobatics with it! Plenty of other planes for that... certainly don't need this one to be able to do it too! :) The Dolphin is great at it... and doesn't require all of these mods...
@@ArxangelRC apparently you have never seen any of my content! Lol I have been very skeptical of inav for years. Since 1.8 inav. Today 3.0.2 has changed my perspective completely. Its working perfectly fine today. And yes I'm a long range pilot. (21 miles out)
@@JD_1 Well... little steps! In any case I would not stop using ArduPlane! For me it is far superior in every aspect, regardless of whether iNav has stopped crashing planes... although I still see people having major issues!
@@ArxangelRC i understand. I started to make that leap to ardupilot. Then inav 3.0 came out and changed my mind. Honestly. I went and bought a F405-WSE just to do so. Anyway, keep doing what works for you. Love your content. Been following you for years. Peace
Appreciate your review, You are honest in what you say and show the good and bad even if it is your own error. I was so close to purchasing this one and then decided not too. Seeing this, I am glad I held back. Also some of the expert advice in the comments is good for a chuckle or two...
Thanks! Well... it is what it is! Guess there may be easier wings to deal with out there... but this one is OK for the most part! Getting it off the ground seems to be the trickiest bit... and then withhold any aerobatics or dives! :P
I've had the same thing happen to my ar wing after a nose camera change. Never really got to the bottom of it. My theory is that it really doesn't like a steep overhead throw with a posterior cg. . .
Hi! Ive seen you also had problems getting your nose up after the dive. my first ar wing pro is unfortunately also a pile of ash ... at first i thought it was too heavy and the servos are too weak. i used emax es08md insteed. but that seems to be a different problem ... now i'm looking for a solution to solve the problem for my second ar wing. maybe the weak rudder? have you ideas? Have you tried a dive again? :P greetings from austria! René
I am avoiding diving it this way since that accident! People have suggested that the control surfaces are too flexible and under a dive they just deform and don't really control the plane! Somebody suggested to cut them off and replace them with balsa ones, supposedly makes a world of difference! May be worth a try!
Glad you made this video, I did think your original review missed the poor flight characteristics! My experience is the plane is very doughy and very sloooow roll rate. Not what I was expecting from a wing. My camera mount also disloged on almost every landing until I 3D printed one and dunked it in glue.
Hahahaha, yeah... up do a 3rd mount now... so those are a consumable it seems! There are apparently ways you can improve its performance by replacing the control surfaces with plywood ones... may be worth a try if you will be using it often!
Ouch man, seems like you have struggled with this model since day 1. And I know you know what you are doing. At this point I'm kinda glad I haven't purchased this wing.
Amen. I have three AR Wing 900, each with different configurations and they all fly great. I had so much hope for the Pro, but I am soooo disappointed.
Shame on you for not recognizing the floppiness of the control surface. At speed they flatten out. Did you laminate the elevons? Did you see the soft bendy foam trailing edges? Second is the fact that you mounted both the Vtx and the Rx antennas right on the carbon wing spar, Big No No....
Well of late I've dealt with planes who have been stellar out of the box... which didn't used to be the case back in the day... so I guess I've settled a bit... even so... had I considered these... probably wouldn't have tried a dive like this!
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Hey Mate. The AR pro is designed to use the full servo travel with a standard Delta Mixer. In Ardupilot the servos are always limited between 1100 and 1900us pulses. You have to set them to the full 1000-2000 range and if you want to have more authority on pitch then raise the pitch mixer weight to 60% and it flies like a dream. Also what do you mean with Factory trim? It is supposed to have 2-3mm uptrim with the CG on the marks. if that is not the case it can also kill your pitch authority.
thank you for the explanation and advice
Ehm.. Incorrect... First in the official text they say 1.5-2.0mm uptrim. Second they clearly state 12mm max throw. Not sure where you are getting your info.
@@dimitarkrastev6085 Yes you are right about the recommended throw of 1.5-2mm but 3mm also won't hurt at all for pitch authority and if the control surfaces twist slightly on assembly this is guesswork anyway and impossible to measure precisely. And second: to get the 12mm throw you have to use the full servo range of 1000-2000 with the PNP setup on a 50:50 Elevon mix. So this is totally correct.
And where I get my infos from? Maybe from Sonicmodell as I am one of their Review Pilots they get feedback from for possible refinements?
Thanks, may look into upping that parameter and see what happens next time I am out with it! :)
Your CG theory is spot on. This wing actually has a good range of where it likes to fly once you get back 10mm or so from the CG marks. Even using a more powerful motor, the stock set up will take almost full throttle stick to launch, and it is heavy if you are up in the 1300-1400g range. On mine i was able to drop over 100g's of AUW just by relocating electronics and moving the CG back the 10mm. Now i am at just over 1200g's AUW. Easier launch and lighter landings.
The crash sucks, I had the same sort of damage but also separated the left wing as well. Gorilla glue got it all back together, but some major surgery to the battery/electronics bay floor was necessary. The whole front half of the floor exploded into the little foam pellets. Had to cut the entire bottom out and replace with plywood. Looks a little Frankenstein now but it works. Seems to be a common damage area.
As for the anemic performance, you need to up the throws a little, the 12mm recommended isn't enough. You need some good speed to get anything close to a faster axial roll rate. Open the throws up to 16mm or more, and up your gains as well. Another suggestion would be to cut off the stock elevons and replace them with balsa elevon stock and nylon Dubro hinges. The stock hinges are so stiff due to being so thick. If you cut them off you will see that the 9g servos are working hard to move the control surface. The nylon hinges will free up the motion a lot, quicker response and better resolution. The balsa elevons will be just as light as the stock ones but just more rigid once covered in monokote, especially out at the trailing edge where there is no carbon spar, its pretty flexy out there. This is where it will feel more locked in and stable. Once this is all done of coarse set up your servos with sub-trims to mechanical center, and then the reflex through the control rods as close as possible. This will take out any mechanical differential from one elevon to the other. All this in and it will be more responsive, dialed in like you are in control sort of feel.
Thanks, good advice! I could do that... or I could just leave it like this and just not do aerobatics with it! Plenty of other planes for that... certainly don't need this one to be able to do it too! :) The Dolphin is great at it... and doesn't require all of these mods...
@@ArxangelRC Makes sense. Happy flying
@@North49RC Thanks mate, to you too!
Love your video's brother, thank you for talking the time to make them God bless you and your loved one's
Thanks mate, appreciate it! :)
CG on this wing needed a good look at. Thanks for your effects and sharing of results.
You are welcome!
Inav and smart audio does wonders!
Yeah... but so far I've only really agreed to risk one plane, the Dart XL Enhanced... no other iNav until I am sure it works well!
@@ArxangelRC apparently you have never seen any of my content! Lol I have been very skeptical of inav for years. Since 1.8 inav. Today 3.0.2 has changed my perspective completely. Its working perfectly fine today. And yes I'm a long range pilot. (21 miles out)
@@JD_1 Well... little steps! In any case I would not stop using ArduPlane! For me it is far superior in every aspect, regardless of whether iNav has stopped crashing planes... although I still see people having major issues!
@@ArxangelRC i understand. I started to make that leap to ardupilot. Then inav 3.0 came out and changed my mind. Honestly. I went and bought a F405-WSE just to do so. Anyway, keep doing what works for you. Love your content. Been following you for years. Peace
@@JD_1 Thanks mate, really appreciate it! Will be playing with iNav, but on the Dart XL only, for now! :)
Thanks for the CG tests! I haven't seen anyone doing those yet.
You are welcome! :)
Appreciate your review, You are honest in what you say and show the good and bad even if it is your own error. I was so close to purchasing this one and then decided not too. Seeing this, I am glad I held back. Also some of the expert advice in the comments is good for a chuckle or two...
Thanks! Well... it is what it is! Guess there may be easier wings to deal with out there... but this one is OK for the most part! Getting it off the ground seems to be the trickiest bit... and then withhold any aerobatics or dives! :P
I've had the same thing happen to my ar wing after a nose camera change. Never really got to the bottom of it. My theory is that it really doesn't like a steep overhead throw with a posterior cg. . .
Oh yeah... that is a definite NO NO
Thanks! Love watching your adventures.
Thank you! :)
Hi!
Ive seen you also had problems getting your nose up after the dive. my first ar wing pro is unfortunately also a pile of ash ... at first i thought it was too heavy and the servos are too weak. i used emax es08md insteed. but that seems to be a different problem ... now i'm looking for a solution to solve the problem for my second ar wing. maybe the weak rudder? have you ideas?
Have you tried a dive again? :P
greetings from austria!
René
I am avoiding diving it this way since that accident! People have suggested that the control surfaces are too flexible and under a dive they just deform and don't really control the plane! Somebody suggested to cut them off and replace them with balsa ones, supposedly makes a world of difference! May be worth a try!
Hi, are there diversity controllers that you can actually buy? Everything I see in various ground station videos is discontinued.
Diversity controllers?
Glad you made this video, I did think your original review missed the poor flight characteristics! My experience is the plane is very doughy and very sloooow roll rate. Not what I was expecting from a wing. My camera mount also disloged on almost every landing until I 3D printed one and dunked it in glue.
Hahahaha, yeah... up do a 3rd mount now... so those are a consumable it seems! There are apparently ways you can improve its performance by replacing the control surfaces with plywood ones... may be worth a try if you will be using it often!
Nice!
What was ypur distance?
On the range test at 25mW? Its in the video... just over 6km!
Nice one, funny video but hope you get it flying nice
Thanks I did! :)
Ouch man, seems like you have struggled with this model since day 1. And I know you know what you are doing. At this point I'm kinda glad I haven't purchased this wing.
Haha, yeah... not the easiest one in the bunch... but its getting there! :)
Великолепно выглядит в белом цвете!
Yes, it does!
I had one but didn't like it as much as the ar900 haven't felt the need to buy another just trash yours trust me your not missing out on much
Same here. I'm back to original AR 900...
Amen. I have three AR Wing 900, each with different configurations and they all fly great. I had so much hope for the Pro, but I am soooo disappointed.
Yeah I agree the Pro is not a good plane to be honest.
Hahahaha, so much positivity towards this plane! :P
Shame on you for not recognizing the floppiness of the control surface. At speed they flatten out. Did you laminate the elevons? Did you see the soft bendy foam trailing edges? Second is the fact that you mounted both the Vtx and the Rx antennas right on the carbon wing spar, Big No No....
Well of late I've dealt with planes who have been stellar out of the box... which didn't used to be the case back in the day... so I guess I've settled a bit... even so... had I considered these... probably wouldn't have tried a dive like this!