What even is this madness? | Tool's "Pneuma" | A deep dive into chaos
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this video, I do a deep dive into the complex rhythms of Tool's "Pneuma" and explore a tumultuous internal debate: is it in 7/4 or 6/8? Join me as I share my personal journey of appreciation for Tool's intricate music. I'll discuss the challenges of analyzing Danny Carey's drumming, the various interpretations I've come across, and my thoughts on the best transcription out there. If you're a drummer or a Tool fan, this video is for you! Don't forget to subscribe, like, and comment with your thoughts and insights on this rhythmic madness.
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To quote a line from 'Futurama', "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
After 13 yrs, pretty confident Danny's feelin it
Great video. Thought and effort put into the editing made it a joy to watch.
Fairly certain that Justin came up with the original riff. I want to say I recall him saying once that the band doesn’t really count and counting only comes into play if it’s essential to the recording process.
So they make complicated music simply because it feels right in the moment.
Thanks for the comment bro! That definitely supports my suspicions. These guys are way too good to be sitting around counting shit. 😅
I will use an analogy to learning any complex movement. Step one is to break it down so your conscious mind can "force" you body to move correctly often slowly and build the neural pathways. Way down the line of steps you must "forget" that structure you had, like scaffolding once the building can stand on its own. This happens in sports, martial arts, even the simple act of learning or re-learning to walk. Notation is scaffolding it need not be present in the finished pierce of art.
Even listening to music can have this curve. There are complex songs I did not like when I first heard them but now I find awe inspiring. Because I have internalized more ways of relating to the music.
What a brilliant analogy and so eloquently put. I have absolutely experienced this and wish I understood this more when I was a young practicing musician still with years ahead of me. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. 🔥
Doug Helvering found the correct time signature by ear very quickly.
Incredible! He must be a genius.
you showed the thumbnaiil in your video of the only reactor Ive seen so far to nail the time signature... its in 33/8... Daily Doug Composer reacts was the one to nail it...
I love your use of metaphors.
Lol! Thank you @ArtAsAlchemy. I do love a good metaphor. 😅
Much like Rush sometimes you follow the vocal arrangements. Also you can divide math (time signatures) up in different ways to equal same thing
Excellent video, thanks Josh!
You're most welcome Sean. Thanks very much for the prompt. I thoroughly enjoyed making this one.
I like 6/8 better
I definitely agree!
I think there’s a reason Danny’s jersey has number 33 in that video. I like to count the song as 12/8, 11/8, 10/8, which is reminiscent of what they did in Lateralus.
Okay, interesting!
33 is Larry birds number, and this was shot in Boston.
@@mikeoxlong8272 aha! The plot thickens. 😅
@josh_thatcher if you want to go down a rabbit hole. Both kareem abful jabaar and birds numbers were 33, and they are both freemasons.
@@mikeoxlong8272 Ah, makes sense. Funny coincidence, then.
As other folks have commented it is 33. Counting it as alternating 6/8 and 5/8 doesn’t feel right to me though. It unlocked for me when I count it 9/8 5/8 9/8 5/8 5/8. Aligned with the guitar.
Yes, the bass line is right there too, clear as day, counting as you mention. I prefer to think in the 3s and 2s when playing, but appreciate for drummers they need longer bars for the many hits to sync.
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who couldn't find 1. Still can't count it, but I can play it.
Amazing! That’s all that matters. 🙌
i think a lot of the hype for this exact video is because weve never had offical pro audio and video live stuff from tool. theres only the sober vhs one from literally 30 years ago. they could make fortune if theyd release concert dvds/bluray like almost every other band. even creed had a live bluray.
Brilliant! Thank you so much. 🔥
Imagine a drum cam for 7empest
Wait..they know how to make money. All that will come.
14/8 (3+3+3+3+2) 12/8 (3+3+3+3)+ 7/8 (2+3+2). If you count each grouping it ends up being 5,4, and 3 which is cool. The first bass note is the pickup. Check out the channel Aslan and his video on this.
if you keep a steady quarter note beat, you can count the verses in 33/4 :)
My question becomes how the hell is this popular for people with no musical concept other then 4/4?TOOL is one of the shows I've been to where you know who the drummers bassist and guitarists are because of timing. Then you watch the fans. Not even close to the pocket until 4/4 kicks off. Love this band
it’s amazing how being able to follow a simple 8th note pulse no matter what time signature will make your experience of the song so much better
So,
6/8 6/8 5/8
6/8 5/8 5/8.
Isn't that 17/8, 16/8 broken into sexy pieces?
For instance - I count the bounce for the bass line as
12,123,123,123,123,12,
123,123,123,123,12,123... Which depending on what line you start counting is the same thing.
It's just what happens when you let Justin's circular riffs dictate your time signature (see 7empest's 21/8 for other examples).
According to members of the band, the main beat is 33/8 or 33/16. Take that as it is. Honestly i dont care what the beat is, I've heard it so much ive memorized it and i can never miss the beat again. I have a problem.
You need to tag DC on Rob Frawley. I don't think he's a sub. Might be aware but that's some crazy genius going on over there.
This is the first video that i realised that the song is actualy 3/4.....any one who knows music undertands why that is a big deal
I have no idea. I just love it. I can't wait until September when I get to see Danny playing Bill Brufords parts with Steve Vai, Adrian Belew, and Tony levin.
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It's 3/5th of 5_8th
Far from chaos !!!
So very true 🔥
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5:20 Absolutely agree with you there. Notation is just a tool.
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Noice.
They will still be trying to work TOOL out in 100 years... They are that good..
True Story!
33/8
Hot take: it's actually 33/8
If you cant find a pattern then its based round prime numbers
Thanks for watching
It's not prime numbers, it's based on the Fibonacci sequence.
The next number in the sequence is the sum of the two previous ones.
1,1,2,3,5,8,13.
Welp I'm having a stroke because I play guitar kinda.... Goodnight...
I totally get it! Tool's music can be really complex, but that's what makes it so fascinating. Keep at it, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. Goodnight!
@@josh_thatcher its rather the algerba and calculus where I draw the line.... Don't me wrong I understand Tool they're one of my favourite band, but math is literally so overwhelming fascinating, its basically boring....
@@josh_thatcher let me put it this way.... Tool's music is so good I wish my ears were bigger...
@@thumpyloudfoot864 Lol! I get what you mean! The math behind their music can be overwhelming, but it's part of what makes Tool so unique and amazing. Glad to hear you're a fan too! Thanks for the support, and here's to wishing we all had bigger ears to fully appreciate their sound!
They dont count or play to a click. Absolute madness lol
😅
Tool just hates cover bands, so make it as hard as possible for anyone to try lol
14/8 - 14/8 - 5/8
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