I really enjoy that you're alternating between the Arena and MTGO replays! I don't mind watching MTGO videos, but I think I would have gotten tired if the 5 were all released in a row. I find I'm able to pay attention to the MTGO videos and enjoy them much more when they're spread out like this. :)
Each creature has the ability. I have no idea why anyone thought this card was remotely okay. Even at once per turn it's insane. Even if it was once per turn only on Nadu it would be really strong.
@@macannathairghrian5257 I've got a strong feeling this was treated like Oko and Uro in the sense that R&D probably playtested and toned it down but a big wig WOTC exec told the team to jack it's stats up so a high level set sells more packs.
Streaming is definitely hard. Dad of a toddler 8 hours into streaming doesn’t equip a shuko and gets 30 reminders he forgot something. Appreciate the grind and love the content.
I will never understand why Nada triggers twice per turn instead of once. As far as I'm aware, they haven't used that text before and the card would still be incredibly powerful if it said once per turn instead.
It's an incredibly dumb design for so many reasons. It's the first 3/4 Flying for 1MN with no downside ever printed (Feather, the Redeemed, is close, but it's 3/4 Flying for MMN, so it's slightly harder to cast), and, like you mentioned, the upside would still be absolutely-f'ing absurd even if you cut it in half. It should have been a 2/2 or a 2/3 with a once-per-turn clause. With it's actual stats/ability, they should have made it a Commander/Legacy-only card (but Simic commander players definitely didn't need it, either).
@@majordude83 Its to sell to commander players. Thats why horizons sets have warped modern since their creation, because every set has to have commander focused power built into it. To hell with what it does to modern, as long as commander continues to get new, fun toys.
This is a classic super pushed card. 2/4 or 3/3 flier isn't good enough. It has to be the biggest on rate 3 drop flier (with no downside) ever! Once per turn? Why not be silly and make it twice per turn? The ability just applies for itself? Nah. It works for all of your creatures. Well it only triggers when you target it? Nope. It also triggers when a foe targets it, so it effectively acts as Ward for all your creatures. Oh and throw in abilities for good measure so we can use repeatable effects with it, like equipment. It doesn't merely net you a card, it also ramps you because this is simic! And God forbid the land be tapped. This is modern. Just. Keep. Pushing!
I feel like they were making Nadu and someone messed up where the quotations was supposed to end, then they realized it and were like, "eh, it won't be that big of a deal". Turns out, it was a big deal.
bannig shuko does nothing. Lightning greaves is still legal and they can now never print the text “equip 0” again, Banning the bird is the only logical play.
Eh, greaves can't be found with Urza's Saga. and cost twice as much mana. Probably wouldn't kill the bird, but it's a major step down in power for the deck.
One other thing as well is this is going to be terrible (from an enjoyment standpoint) for tournament play. The combo isn’t deterministic because you don’t get a landfall trigger every time garunteed. So when you combo you and your opponent will have to go through the whole thing without any shortcuts.
-extremely powerful in both combo and grindy decks -requires lots of game actions and complicated information tracking, making it slow and cumbersome in both paper and digital -combo versions will often start long, non-deterministic turns yeah, this card isn't gonna stay off the banlist for long
Definitely worth trying it. Colorless sources are a little awkward in a 3 color deck, though. I feel like dryad arbor is the most realistic option, but adding more lands that don't make mana immediately is risky
@@evanshaner991 Yeah, and you might want urza's saga in there for shuko so it's even more tight if you do that. I think if you're playing this deck in a format where green sun zenith is legal, some dryad arbors might be good. This deck might also want to be heavy in lands, so maybe you add 4 dryad arbor and take out 4 spells.
Splashed for Nadu in my RB energy deck prerelease deck. Pretty easy from 3 wedge cycling lands + the 2 mana energy filter rock. Very worth it lol. Owns the air and was minimum a 2 for 1. I had the b/g hybrid protection spell as well but never lived the dream on that one
I think Nadu would be okay if it was only Nadu with the ability, only triggered once per turn, and only worked with spells, not abilities. It _might_ even be okay if the only change was just spells rather than spells or abilities, but it would still be awfully powerful.
This might actually cause a rules change rather than a ban like brain in a jar did. I haven't seen how crazy the fair version is, but I'm curious about it.
That'd be closer to the change to Companion cards than Brain in a jar since that would mean a functional change with physical words on a card. It wasn't Brain in a Jar that was changed but a ruling saying CMC of fuse & split cards are the combination of the two when not being cast.
6:08 - "We've got a misprint on Magic Online!" You know, I'd actually like it if MODO had miscuts, making it closer to paper with the occasional janky card.
love MTGO videos! agree with other commenters that still definitely want Arena, but it's great to see you back on MTGO. Maybe we get another special Mogg Monday soon in Legacy or Modern???
Imo Nadu is even more broken than Uro or Oko. The fact that Nadu is both a combo piece and is extremely good even when played fairly makes it especially broken.
@@jgray2718 I haven't played modern in so many years. Is thougtsieze into surgical extraction still a thing, or has modern moved way past that. The deck seems to really rely on getting the bird into play
@travishultine3072 thoughtsieze is, surgical less so. The problem I that decks these days don't tend to rely on 1-2 wincons, so you can't just cut them off on T1
Despite being an Arena player exclusively, I'm so hyped for Nadu I watched the entire video anyway! I like the idea of going full combo but I'm confident there will be multiple ways, in different archetypes, to break this card in Historic as well.
I think if you had to use Greaves to combo, it would be a lot worse. Greaves cannot re-activate on a creature it's already equipped to because that creature has shroud, so you need at least Nadu + Greaves + another creature. And, Shuko is fetchable off Urza's Saga and costs half what Nadu does. Still a dumb card, just an argument to keep it around for a bit longer even if Shuko dies for its sins.
Banning Shuko will NOT solve this issue. Making a combo 1 mana more expensive doesn't make it at all balanced. I think the way to go is either banning Nadu or at the very least, doing a "Companion errata" and changing the amount of triggers per turn. But of course they won't do that, otherwise MH3 won't sell as much...
If you think this card will be banned I don't think you've played magic long enough, this is a pre release/ early access format, Nadu doesn't make it in real modern, 1st is on some stoneforge mono white deck and got a sword, like the Nadu is fine
Kinda wild for people to say this card is "too strong" when there actively main-deckable cards in most colors to deal with it. Blue has counter magic and Narset. White has extremely efficient removal for Nadu like Solitude and P. Ending, plus sideboard solutions in spirit of the labyrinth. Black also has efficient removal, plus Sheoldred and Bowmaster. Red has player removal. Heck, the only color that doesn't have maindeck strengths against Nadu is green, which can still easily deal with its equipment to remove its extreme advantage, and the biggest Gx deck in the format is Titan, which laughs in turn 3 win. This isn't the case like Oko where you can't interact with it as well as a creature, nor is it necessary to board in solutions like Uro or Hogaak, this is a slightly bigger than average creature that yes, is very powerful, but is by no means unbearably strong, match one here is prime example of just how easy it is to disrupt the combo. Dunno, seems like a lot of big talk coming from a deck that lost one of its matches and barely won the other two.
@EionBlue Mentioning Narset, OBM, and Sheoldred as solution to Nadu means you dont know what you’re talking about. Go read the card again before commenting.
Come on people... stop complaining about the card, sooo many ways of dealing with this.. let the set sink a bit and you will see. Ways to beat it from top of my mind: Pick your poison Flare of Malice Dress down Tishana Null Elemental Blast Any creature counter Any artifact hate (Orzov, green, red... you pick the color) Stony silence Pithing needle and so on.... If you do not run interaction in your modern deck that's your fault, let people play what they want and see this as a fun challange to beat this card. People were crying about the one ring so much (me included to be honest XD), today there are many ways to deal with it and not every deck plays it... same will be with Nadu Just chill folks 8)
@@Rumpelstilzchen12 lol I didn’t even realize that. So now it also dodges bowmaster, narset, etc. honestly at this point I can’t even think of a good counter to Nadu.
I really enjoy that you're alternating between the Arena and MTGO replays! I don't mind watching MTGO videos, but I think I would have gotten tired if the 5 were all released in a row. I find I'm able to pay attention to the MTGO videos and enjoy them much more when they're spread out like this. :)
I second this!! Great thinking by Jim
Man, I thought the twice per turn was for all of your creatures, not each one individually. That's beyond broken
and it resets if nadu leaves and re enters tha battlefield
It needs to be twice ever. Not every turn, I wonder if this card was play-tested outside of sealed
Each creature has the ability. I have no idea why anyone thought this card was remotely okay. Even at once per turn it's insane. Even if it was once per turn only on Nadu it would be really strong.
@@macannathairghrian5257 I've got a strong feeling this was treated like Oko and Uro in the sense that R&D probably playtested and toned it down but a big wig WOTC exec told the team to jack it's stats up so a high level set sells more packs.
Yeah, this literally feels like a misprint, especially with it being twice per creature rather than once
Streaming is definitely hard. Dad of a toddler 8 hours into streaming doesn’t equip a shuko and gets 30 reminders he forgot something. Appreciate the grind and love the content.
Jim is yelled at all day in chat, but still makes it to the pro tour😎
Great point! And MTGO is awesome! But Arena has a better GUI. Maybe if Shuko was on Arena then Jim would’ve ‘remembered’ 👍
Crazy that wizards made a broken card that costs 1UG
I will never understand why Nada triggers twice per turn instead of once. As far as I'm aware, they haven't used that text before and the card would still be incredibly powerful if it said once per turn instead.
It's been on activated abilities before (shout out to Vampire Bat) but this is the first time on a trigger to my knowledge.
Once per turn: Standard set power
Twice per turn: Modern set power
(I guess)
It's an incredibly dumb design for so many reasons.
It's the first 3/4 Flying for 1MN with no downside ever printed (Feather, the Redeemed, is close, but it's 3/4 Flying for MMN, so it's slightly harder to cast), and, like you mentioned, the upside would still be absolutely-f'ing absurd even if you cut it in half.
It should have been a 2/2 or a 2/3 with a once-per-turn clause. With it's actual stats/ability, they should have made it a Commander/Legacy-only card (but Simic commander players definitely didn't need it, either).
@@majordude83 Its to sell to commander players. Thats why horizons sets have warped modern since their creation, because every set has to have commander focused power built into it. To hell with what it does to modern, as long as commander continues to get new, fun toys.
@@nickhaze2491 Sure, but they could have just made it one of the MH3 commander cards (but I guess then you could just get it in the pre-cons)
Jim's content is the truth! Some of my favorite if not my favorite.
Thanks!
This is a classic super pushed card. 2/4 or 3/3 flier isn't good enough. It has to be the biggest on rate 3 drop flier (with no downside) ever! Once per turn? Why not be silly and make it twice per turn? The ability just applies for itself? Nah. It works for all of your creatures. Well it only triggers when you target it? Nope. It also triggers when a foe targets it, so it effectively acts as Ward for all your creatures. Oh and throw in abilities for good measure so we can use repeatable effects with it, like equipment. It doesn't merely net you a card, it also ramps you because this is simic! And God forbid the land be tapped. This is modern. Just. Keep. Pushing!
Gotta love Simic design, either completely unplayable or the most overtly pushed lines of text ever put on a card.
and to think Simic use to be the home of jank that was lucky to see play at all. I like seeing it strong but not THIS strong.
I think people are overreacting to Nadu. When has WotC ever printed a broken card that costs 1GU??
Fair point, Simic always gets the shaft on multicolored cards
Did oko cost 3 ? That was a totally fair card lol
I feel like they were making Nadu and someone messed up where the quotations was supposed to end, then they realized it and were like, "eh, it won't be that big of a deal". Turns out, it was a big deal.
bannig shuko does nothing. Lightning greaves is still legal and they can now never print the text “equip 0” again,
Banning the bird is the only logical play.
3 mana can be a lot for Modern but Umbral Mantle also exists.
Eh, greaves can't be found with Urza's Saga. and cost twice as much mana.
Probably wouldn't kill the bird, but it's a major step down in power for the deck.
One other thing as well is this is going to be terrible (from an enjoyment standpoint) for tournament play. The combo isn’t deterministic because you don’t get a landfall trigger every time garunteed. So when you combo you and your opponent will have to go through the whole thing without any shortcuts.
-extremely powerful in both combo and grindy decks
-requires lots of game actions and complicated information tracking, making it slow and cumbersome in both paper and digital
-combo versions will often start long, non-deterministic turns
yeah, this card isn't gonna stay off the banlist for long
It's super cool there appears there was an accompanying early access event for MTGO, I didn't know they ran these.
Sweet brew!
I wonder if dryad arbor, mishra's factory or inkmoth/blinkmoth nexus would be good, flipping into them gives you a free creature to keep going.
Definitely worth trying it. Colorless sources are a little awkward in a 3 color deck, though. I feel like dryad arbor is the most realistic option, but adding more lands that don't make mana immediately is risky
@@evanshaner991 Yeah, and you might want urza's saga in there for shuko so it's even more tight if you do that. I think if you're playing this deck in a format where green sun zenith is legal, some dryad arbors might be good. This deck might also want to be heavy in lands, so maybe you add 4 dryad arbor and take out 4 spells.
Important note, you aren't drawing cards with Nadu, very relevant for bowmasters.
just realize Nadu is a 3/4 just for good measure. lmao.
Uhhhhhh that nantuko card making that many tokens just by playing fetch lands is kinda wild
The lands even come untapped. This card is silly.
Splashed for Nadu in my RB energy deck prerelease deck. Pretty easy from 3 wedge cycling lands + the 2 mana energy filter rock. Very worth it lol. Owns the air and was minimum a 2 for 1. I had the b/g hybrid protection spell as well but never lived the dream on that one
I think Nadu would be okay if it was only Nadu with the ability, only triggered once per turn, and only worked with spells, not abilities. It _might_ even be okay if the only change was just spells rather than spells or abilities, but it would still be awfully powerful.
I want to know the behind the scenes story of how WotC landed on 2 activations instead of 1.
This might actually cause a rules change rather than a ban like brain in a jar did. I haven't seen how crazy the fair version is, but I'm curious about it.
That'd be closer to the change to Companion cards than Brain in a jar since that would mean a functional change with physical words on a card. It wasn't Brain in a Jar that was changed but a ruling saying CMC of fuse & split cards are the combination of the two when not being cast.
6:08 - "We've got a misprint on Magic Online!"
You know, I'd actually like it if MODO had miscuts, making it closer to paper with the occasional janky card.
would a couple saga. or set even hurt the mana too much?
love MTGO videos! agree with other commenters that still definitely want Arena, but it's great to see you back on MTGO. Maybe we get another special Mogg Monday soon in Legacy or Modern???
They really placed the " in the wrong place.
I think you should've chorded for Nadu in response to Solitude g1. If they target giver you get a trigger, if they target Nadu you protect with Giver.
7:40 eyyy what a jammm
New brokon 3 mana simic legend just dropped
thanks jim
Dryad Arbor provides both a land and a creature.
100% Nadu is getting banned. It's oko uro power level
Imo Nadu is even more broken than Uro or Oko. The fact that Nadu is both a combo piece and is extremely good even when played fairly makes it especially broken.
@@gamer7916 Yep 100%. I have never been more certain a card will be banned than I am with Nadu
I think it's more broken than that. It's so easy to get so much value that you can basically win the game on turn 2.
@@jgray2718 I haven't played modern in so many years. Is thougtsieze into surgical extraction still a thing, or has modern moved way past that. The deck seems to really rely on getting the bird into play
@travishultine3072 thoughtsieze is, surgical less so. The problem I that decks these days don't tend to rely on 1-2 wincons, so you can't just cut them off on T1
don't want to draw entire deck while staring at an Endurance in hand.
OP SImic 3 drops...... It never ends
Saw this kinda deck but used scute swarm
That's gonna be one of my win cons in EDH. Just draw your deck until you draw Concordant Crossroads and swing for a jillion.
Still wonder if someone meant twice per turn, a d didn't check the AIs grammar.
Nadu buyouts already going down. Pretty sure this card is going to be unbelievably broken until banned.
Despite being an Arena player exclusively, I'm so hyped for Nadu I watched the entire video anyway!
I like the idea of going full combo but I'm confident there will be multiple ways, in different archetypes, to break this card in Historic as well.
Sparkles.
Needs field of the dead to go pseudo infinite
DnT playable in modern? Probably not but a man can hope
what a stupid card, who greenlighted that??
A high level WOTC exec that wants to sell more MH3 packs
They banned Sensei's Divining Top for less
Ahh this must be the card that made all those horrible old cards spike in price.
This will get banned first when 4-8 decks of this made pt top 8 and that will not happen that combo is easy to interrupt
I think if you had to use Greaves to combo, it would be a lot worse. Greaves cannot re-activate on a creature it's already equipped to because that creature has shroud, so you need at least Nadu + Greaves + another creature. And, Shuko is fetchable off Urza's Saga and costs half what Nadu does.
Still a dumb card, just an argument to keep it around for a bit longer even if Shuko dies for its sins.
Banning Shuko will NOT solve this issue. Making a combo 1 mana more expensive doesn't make it at all balanced.
I think the way to go is either banning Nadu or at the very least, doing a "Companion errata" and changing the amount of triggers per turn.
But of course they won't do that, otherwise MH3 won't sell as much...
If you think this card will be banned I don't think you've played magic long enough, this is a pre release/ early access format, Nadu doesn't make it in real modern, 1st is on some stoneforge mono white deck and got a sword, like the Nadu is fine
What stops Nadu in "real Modern"?
It needs to be changed to twice ever.
Not twice every turn 😂
Twice every turn not twice per creature
Broken!!
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Nadu is truly awful card design, enabling some of the worst, most durdly and obnoxious play patterns I’ve seen in ages. Uggghhhh.
Kinda wild for people to say this card is "too strong" when there actively main-deckable cards in most colors to deal with it.
Blue has counter magic and Narset.
White has extremely efficient removal for Nadu like Solitude and P. Ending, plus sideboard solutions in spirit of the labyrinth.
Black also has efficient removal, plus Sheoldred and Bowmaster.
Red has player removal.
Heck, the only color that doesn't have maindeck strengths against Nadu is green, which can still easily deal with its equipment to remove its extreme advantage, and the biggest Gx deck in the format is Titan, which laughs in turn 3 win.
This isn't the case like Oko where you can't interact with it as well as a creature, nor is it necessary to board in solutions like Uro or Hogaak, this is a slightly bigger than average creature that yes, is very powerful, but is by no means unbearably strong, match one here is prime example of just how easy it is to disrupt the combo.
Dunno, seems like a lot of big talk coming from a deck that lost one of its matches and barely won the other two.
@EionBlue Mentioning Narset, OBM, and Sheoldred as solution to Nadu means you dont know what you’re talking about. Go read the card again before commenting.
Come on people... stop complaining about the card, sooo many ways of dealing with this.. let the set sink a bit and you will see.
Ways to beat it from top of my mind:
Pick your poison
Flare of Malice
Dress down
Tishana
Null Elemental Blast
Any creature counter
Any artifact hate (Orzov, green, red... you pick the color)
Stony silence
Pithing needle
and so on....
If you do not run interaction in your modern deck that's your fault, let people play what they want and see this as a fun challange to beat this card.
People were crying about the one ring so much (me included to be honest XD), today there are many ways to deal with it and not every deck plays it... same will be with Nadu
Just chill folks 8)
Bout that time to unban Hullbreacher 😂
Hullbreacher isn’t legal in modern.
Its only banned in commander
Hullbreacher does nothing vs nadu, it puts the card into your hand and doesn't even draw them
@@Rumpelstilzchen12 lol I didn’t even realize that. So now it also dodges bowmaster, narset, etc. honestly at this point I can’t even think of a good counter to Nadu.
@@gamer7916 Yes, dodges all the hate, it clearly was intentional worded like that but i think they overlooked how insane it really is.
Nothing like alchemy horizons making modern worse every year