This is an eye opening experience because I can relate but also because it shows that parents actions towards their child can reflect on the person they become. Hoya himself said he saw his father in himself and he hates but he can't do anything about it because he learned it from him and held on to it for years. I feel bad that Hoya had to go through something like this and whoever he marries, better appreciate him in every way and give him all the love he needs and deserves.
Omg hoya you've been through a lot :( but i'm happy to see you in SMF with mbitious members, you looks like enjoy so much to be a part of mbitious, hope the good results in SMF, fighting 🔥
우리 수학여행 갔을때 토월고 왔다갔다며ㅠㅠ 진심 나 토월고 학생 이었는데 겁나 요번엔 98년생들이 부럽네요ㅠㅠ 인슾인데 호원님, 저 토월고 졸업생이에요ㅠㅠ 호원님이 졸업하지 못한 학교를 제가 졸업했습니다. 실제로 뵙고 싶습니다ㅠㅠ 호원님, 정말 팬입니다. 그리고 꿈을 이뤄줘서 대신 고맙습니다. 만약에 계속 학교 다녔으면 졸업장은 따겠지만 꿈 없이 성적맞춰서 대학 다녔지 않나 싶습니다.
As a father, he needs to support and build a relationship with his child. But the father did nothing but create fear for Hoya. I hope that one day the father will recognize his wrongs. Although Hoya quitting school may not been what his parents wanted, he felt afraid of speaking up because his father would abuse him again. I hope Hoya’s heart will heal. He’s been so through much to be where he is and the father needs to apologize and give up his pride
Now, i knew from where he got his awkwardness. I can understand that the fathers be more hard to their sons than the daughters but i could see that his father has bad temper (especially in the past). Rather than complained about the child abuse that he had before, let's adore how nice hoya as a son who never hold a grudge to his father. And also i admire hoya's father effort to open his mind and heart too. He's more flexible and softer eventhough it's still awkward but at least he's trying bit by bit. I hope they will always happy in the future. ^^ I want to see hoya's hyung too~~ >< Is he already married now?? It said he would get married on july.
Hoya is literally a victim of child abuse. I've been hit before and it's something I still have a hard time coming to terms with, especially when it's from someone you love (i.e. parents). This is not how you treat your child and his father should be ashamed. And please, don't say this is just an "Asian thing." I'm Korean, and that's really offensive to say, implying only Asian people abuse their children and that's it's inherently an Asian thing to do. This is not a healthy father-son relationship.
I'm so sorry for what you went through, but I'm happy that you left this comment. So many people try and excuse abuse, especially when it happens in other cultures; but abuse should never be seen as a cultural aspect. I'm really shocked at all the people excusing it because they 'seem okay now', because 1) they really don't, at all 2) it's clearly affected Hoya deeply, and some of his thoughts/opinions reflect that. It leaves an emotional scar that can be a real struggle to deal with. I wish you the best for the future, and hope that you can further heal from your experience
I've been there too.. My mom is a single mother, i get that she was so stressed all the time while raising 4 daughters..but its not something u can forget
so sad to hear...In my country beating child became normal way of growing and discipline...my mom used to beat me till 10 grade...Now I am in college..
Yeah it's horrible because often the kids will grow up thinking it's okay to hit their own kids in the future. There are many forms of discipline and HITTING YOUR CHILD is the by far the worst and least effective way of teaching them at such an early stage of development.
I'm Asian but we have to admit usually Asians think it's okay to hit their children like that. Even the children believe so because most places in Asia do not educate their children on what's abuse and what's not while in America many of them know and even if the receiver of the abuse doesn't know their friends do so their friends help them. But in Asia not many actually know of the limits to what's discipline and what's abuse.
this made me cry a lot. i can relate somewhat because i used to be in that kind of awkward relationship with my dad. But luckily, we are somewhat closer now thanks to our bond over TV shows and some time together when my mom went on her trip. I'm really happy that Hoya and his dad got a bit closer. I understand it's not easy to express your feelings and say 'I love you' genuinely. Does anyone know where I can watch more of this show with full Eng Sub? gahh things about parents really get to me
+InfiniteUpdates do you know where I can watch other celebrities and their fathers with Engsub? this show seems really nice and I would like to see more. Btw, thank you so much for your hard work and taking your time to provide us with Eng sub! :)
I can relate to Hoya because my father almost the same as me... And I've never talked with him unless it is something so urgent... I hope like Hoya's father,he will take a step and become closer with me since I've taken the steps.... I love you dad
I'm crying... I can feel love between them eventhough they're not good with words. .... The second (middle) son (daughter) usually is 'the most different one' among siblings.. Their father treat the youngest differently. It's natural eventhough it supposed to be not like that.... I don't blame Hoya's father. He's trying so hard to make everything better...I think...:). After this show, I love Hoya MORE !!!
I'm a middle child myself. For me, regarding parents treating last child better is because of the regrets they had before while raising the older childrens. Simple to say, parents had no experience with 1st child but the experiences earned one by one together with knowledges in raising a child. Hence, the last child get the best attention and affection due to accumulated experiences and knowledges.
Diyana Nasiha Yes...I agree with you...I'm glad you don't have trouble...:) I have two older sisters and I'm the youngest one. I can feel my sisters' feeling (especially my middle sister. She fought a lot with my mom) because I, literally, never fought with my mom.They said my mom loved me the most...(that actually not like that...) .But everything is REALLY FINE and doing well after we all got married (yes I'm a married woman who loves Infinite.kkkk).Soyeah.. I feel Hoya very well too...:)
You're very right, the middle children is (always) the most different. My sister is the middle one (19yo), and I'm the yougest (17)and I've a big brother (22). And I don't know why but my sister is beginning to have a really bad relationship with my parents, she misbehaves with them, talk bad to them... And she does all that without any big reasons, so my parents can't understand her. And me and my brother have never argued with my parents. My brother who is older has never did what my sister is doing now, when he was 19 also. I don't understand either what's in her mind. She's the only one "bad" among us, siblings.
You're very right, the middle children is (always) the most different. My sister is the middle one (19yo), and I'm the yougest (17)and I've a big brother (22). And I don't know why but my sister is beginning to have a really bad relationship with my parents, she misbehaves with them, talk bad to them... And she does all that without any big reasons, so my parents can't understand her. And me and my brother have never argued with my parents. My brother who is older has never did what my sister is doing now, when he was 19 also. I don't understand either what's in her mind. She's the only one "bad" among us, siblings.
i was honestly so happy when hoya and his dad were talking and went shopping because it showed so much improvement from the last time they were together. also i am literally hoya when im going shopping with my parents. honestly so happy for a there to be a show like this.
*NO OFFENSE but YES OFFENSE*, his entire family SCREAMS red flag as abusive to me. His father BEAT him with a baseball bat and considered taking him out of the family registry. And even in the beginning, the way in which the family speaks SO casually about Hoya's brother setting a wedding date BEFORE even proposing is really controlling behavior and Hoya even POINTS out how abnormal that is. YIKES at this family and I hope that Hoya gets some sort of closure.
I think what they meant was like they (brother and girlfriend) decided to get married and did all the arrangements you have to do, but the man didn't get down on one knee or whatever proposing means so he gotta do the "grand gesture"
100% agree...im actually surprised Hoya turned out pretty well...like he seems to stay true to what he believes and idk, if i hadnt seen this video i would have assumed that he grew up in a proper family that taught him values, manners and respect
thanks for the sub. this show made my eyes teary a lot. There are many aspects that you can take. Firstly, how Hoya didn't give up and become Hoya that we know. His dream actually very risky. But fortunately, he become successfull now. I saw Infinite sesame player. I think they're not well then and Sungyeol said something about him dropping out from school and will come to home when he's successfull. This is very aspirational . I wanna cry~ :(
It was so heart warming atleast he made up with his father...! Also i read comments saying its abbusive .. his father's act mad me mad but i guess obviously his father has got some rights over him ... i felt so sad hearing he was beaten without any mercy but see the good part guys .. he proved himself infront of his father now he wants to thank him like wow... I've been with Infinite for more than 2 years but how could i miss this 😍
Yes..i remembered that one.It was so sad.He looks like he was bottling up his emotion all this while and that day he just couldn't hold it anymore.I think i cried too...but i don't really remembered whether i did cry or not.The show was quite old already.
I feel more respect and admiration for #Hoya. Despite all his efforts he has made a good journey. It is good to see that father and son are coming closer. In our ancient culture(India) it is rightly said that a father should be like a friend of his son after the age of 15. Though he left #Infinite later but I hope he is well of and happy. Will miss him too!!
OMG!!!!! Thank You so much for subbing.I''ve been waiting for this like crazy.Crying river while watching my HoBaby doing so hard in the past.The struggles and hard works make him who he is now,don't care the others he just follow his dreams.Hoya is my bae along with Dino and Gyu.Hope Infinite continue to doing well and stay humble,healthy coz Infinite means world to Inspirits.
compare the situation of hoya...strugling his dreams in the past while his younger brother pursue his dreams in good.... i dont know but i see wrong how he treat his child
As mad as some of you are getting, we've all made mistakes in our past and at least we can see that they're trying to change and make progress. Nothing you can do about what happened before. He's obviously very proud of his son now and Hoya just wants a normal relationship with his father. I also understand that it's hard to show some emotions because it makes you feel weak. Which is why I hate showing affection to my family. Especially since my mom always told me I had to be the "strong" one. And as a middle child I feel like I have to work harder and do more than the rest. But I hope things get better for them and that now Hoya takes these lessons and does his best when he has his own children.
I almost cringe everytime Hoya and his father are together. lol 😂 You can really feel the awkwardness. They are both not expressive, maybe that's why. But I hope from now on, they will get along well. Hoya + His father = double awkward
my only concern is....can you really fix a relationship with cameras following you around like this ;; hopefully this was heartfelt and nothing was held back.
i used to afraid and avoided my dad so much, since i'm the youngest one and kinda hard to handle than my other siblings. when i'm around junior high until when i'm in uni, i seldom talk with him, but when i finally graduated and tried to established my own cake shop, he is the first one who support me. after that we're so close to each other to the point that i think we are so alike. not so long after that, he passed away right when the point i prefer him over my mom. then i start to feeling empty again
Gosh, going in to watch this I had no idea I'd end up relating to Hoya on this level so much. I didn't drop out of high school, but but our relationship really is pretty far apart. I avoid him a lot and only talk to my mom about important things, the awkwardness too. Seeing Hoya and his Dad trying to make an effort to become closer is really inspiring me.
I think the thing is, Hoya didn't want his father to be punished, but to him to see he was wrong and be the father Hoya always wanted to have. So, his father was wrong, but going to the jail is not what was going to fix the situation between them and it was not what Hoya wanted. In this situation, they ended well, and the program is using this exemple to "give hope", some way, to those with the same problem. The big problem here is that, his father still talks about the "lesson" he gave to Hoya like he wasn't totaly wrong, and that makes me think that he actualy didn't regret it.
I'm really happy that they're trying to get closer, I have been in this fandom for a long time and this isn't a joke, Hoya literally used to cry when someone mention his father. Is so sad but finally this is happening! 💗💜❤️👏🏻
ipurpleheartHowon I don't have the links but this use to be in almost every program when someone mention his father, probably if you search it like: "Hoya talking about his father" or something like that you can find something, the problem with his father started really time ago just like he said 'cause he left school since he wanted to be a dancer/idol. But yeah you can easily search for it ^^
God forgive me to say this, but both his father and his father's hometown friend are the rude and abusive type of people. You can tell just by one look. His father will never change truly, no matter what. He can't even admit how wrong he was in the past.
I think hoya's dad learned from his mistakes a little bit... he isn't ashamed of hitting his son with a baseball bat (!!!!! ARE! YOU! KIDDING! ME!!!) but he at least recognizes that he owes hoya thanks rather than the other way around, and he is different to the 3rd son. And I try not to judge people based on something that little, but that friend of his father's truly disgusts me. I hope he does not have a wife or kids. Parents owe their kids SO MUCH MORE than just being healthy (physically - the mental and emotional scars must be horrendous to raise your kids like that...).
When I was a kid, I was abused so badly, It was terrifying. Thankfully, even tho I'm already 16, my dad and mom REFUSE to hit me again. Glad my parents changed their ways.. When hoya said he see's his father within his actions at some points, I could say the same with me, I see my parents within my actions, I also hate it. Hoya is sometimes so quiet and reserved, I'm the SAME way. The way parents act towards children CAN affect shape the way a person becomes, it's so sad because it happened to me. :( I've become the way my parents were and I fucking hate it so much, but gradually I'm trying to change into someone better. Hoya, I love you, I understand you, stay strong
Stan Day6 As someone who was also abused and working on healing myself, I hope that you will one day be able to heal yourself and become the person you want to be. Not sure if you've heard of inner child healing but it has helped me a lot on my journey. Hope it will help you!
thank you so much for the sub... Should i also relate my case to Hoya.. May be not..So glad to hear that they are getting close... And so sad to say i havn't even properly talked with my father ever since i was born..And to be honest Idon't even know the love of Father till now..Don't even know the difference of having father and not... So sad for me and happy for Hoya..Anyways fighting Oppa...And once again thanx for the sub InfiniteUpdates....
i know hoya's father was abusive towards hoya. no doubt...but i can't help but feel bad for the father as well. the kids dont talk to him much, everything is awkward. for decisions that were big, his father finds out later. i understand, in a way, where this is coming from. i like how he supports his younger son so much after learning a lesson from hoya's life. he obviously cares for hoya a lot too which is why he plays infinite songs all the time that even the family has all the lyrics memorized. i mean, how many 56 year old guys can say the same (and for a boy group at that).
he created that situation himself, don't feel bad. many abusive parents act like victims when their now grown kids distance themselves after years of being abused. they act like they werent the ones who pushed their kids away by pushing fear and power into them.
Wow😭 I'm happy they got closer by taking courage to do so. I'm awkward with my mom and dad, it's feels so cheesy and really hard just to say thank you to them.
😢😢😢 😢😢😢 😢😢😢 never thought hoya's relationship with his father is that awkward 😢😢😢 seeing this i'm so grateful that daddy treating me as a loving daughter 😍 😍
God bless Hoya because I wouldn't have anything to do with the father - at first I was hesitant to judge him, but HE BEAT HIS SON MERCILESSLY WITH A BASEBALL BAT FOR QUITTING SCHOOL!!! After that, I was absolutely done with "giving him a chance." IN *NO* CULTURE is it *normal* to do that!! Also, if your two adult children want absolutely nothing to do with you, won't even talk to you, but are both close to their mother, YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. Maybe the father was abused, but I see Hoya recognizing and trying his hardest to break the cycle of violence while the father doesn't seem to regret anything, is absolutely not ashamed and even tries to justify his actions. You don't have to pat him on the head but beating him with a baseball bat is just about the last thing that you should do. It only creates fear and hate. You don't have anyone to blame but yourself for your son refusing to even say a word to you! Hoya recognizes when he's being like his father and he hates it. You can see it in his face, hear it in his speech when he's talking about being like his father. He's trying his hardest to change it.
The birthday song + cheesy message hahaha hoya got that cute shyness from his dad they are very cute and very sweet a bit weird but very cute and very sweet And yeah at the award cermony sungyeol look so similar to kris
this isnt "touching" this isnt "inspirational" this is making me mad because OBVIOUSLY he was abused as a kid n some people r looking over that fact i mean for fuk sake he even said his father HIT HIM with a baseball bat... HOW does that not translate 2 abuse for some people smh im really so mad over this
that's NO excuse. it was legal in my country 15 years to beat your child but people still thought it was wrong ? like just cuz it's legal doesn't mean it's morally right n should be seen as the "norm"
+maca paca (zelo's mum) My dad hit me with ratan sticks (my mom did too) when I have committed some sort of immoral acts (eg. stealing). Well I learned from my mistakes and never took something that doesn't belong to me anymore. By the way there's people who blame their parents for not punishing them after they did something bad and this causes them to become criminals when they have become grown men and women. This is true. Not all but it is happening. When you read novels which are written by Asians, you'll most probably read something like how the main character fought with his/her parents and how the parents punish them afterwards. It's normal, a norm.
+maca paca (zelo's mum) Abuse is a different story. Abuse is hitting your child without valid reasons. You did it cause you just felt like your child is a tool for you to get rid of your anger. And yes that is illegal
i shouldnt hav 2 argue with someone on why hitting your child is wrong. there is NO EXCUSE no matter what the child has said/done. NO EXCUSE 2 lay your hand on a child with a conscious mind. in normalizing this behaviour with "it's part of asian culture !" youre essentially telling abused victims(esp in your own culture) they cant ask for help/that they deserve 2 be abused as punishment BECAUSE it's apparently "the norm". A LOT of asian parents dont discipline their children that way... A LOT of asian people are against it. there are OTHER ways 2 discipline a child .. ways that are actually effective n dont leave your child scarred/ scared of their own parents. the argument of "you can hit your child with valid reason" isnt a very good one... because where is the line drawn? what reasons are valid n others arent? my initial comment was about HOYAS situation... youre telling me hitting your son with a baseball bat is punishment ? let me repeat that. WITH. A. BASEBALL. BAT. i was hit with a baseball bat when i was 12 n it literally broke 2 of my ribs n that was an ACCIDENT.. imagine what damage couldve been done if the strike was intentional.
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진짜 춤 잘 추는 아이돌 하면 떠오르는게
호야였는데, 겨울에 후드티가 다 젖을 때까지 연습했다는거 보고 감동했다...
무덤덤한 성격이라 더 좋아 ㅜㅠㅠㅠㅠ
이 영상은 처음 보는데... 이호원라는 사람이 진짜 찐이라는 생각이 듭니다... 어린 나이부터 자기 인생에 진심이고 열정적인 모습이 놀랍고 감동적입니다. 보여지는 언행에 진심이 느껴지고, 그냥 된 사람, 될 사람이에요. 부모님이 정말 자랑스러워할 아들이네요~^^
공감되네요. 대개 아버지들이 스스로 거리감을 두는 언행을 하면서도 자기성찰을 하려하진 않는 모습들이 더욱 실망스럽게 느껴지는... 자식들 입장에서는 친해지는 방법을 찾기 매우 힘이 들어요
아버지 보니깐 그냥 무서운정도가 아니고 한마디 말 걸기도 힘들었던 것 같은데 나중에 난리날거 알면서도 자퇴 결정하기까지 엄청 힘들었을듯,, 결국 아이돌가수로 성공하고 대박인듯
This is an eye opening experience because I can relate but also because it shows that parents actions towards their child can reflect on the person they become. Hoya himself said he saw his father in himself and he hates but he can't do anything about it because he learned it from him and held on to it for years. I feel bad that Hoya had to go through something like this and whoever he marries, better appreciate him in every way and give him all the love he needs and deserves.
호야는 미워할 수가 없다...
Now I know his scars... The more I know about him, the more I fall in love with him..😑
부엉이생선국 사장님이시네
할머니랑 같이 식당하셨는데
가게 맛집이고 장사도 엄청 잘됐음
제가 은행에 근무하던 시절ㅎㅎ
저 사장님 좋으셨음 그 당시 20년전쯤 ㅎ
사장님 아들이였구나ㅎ신기하다ㅎㅎ
아마 아들이 저랬으면 다리몽댕이 부러트렸을거같음
사장님 행복하세요
호야 데뷔하고 3년?정도까지 창원에서 가게 쭉 하시다가 아들이 가까이 살고 싶다고 해서 두분다 올라오신걸로 알아요 ㅎㅎ 오동동 지금도 하시는지 모르겠네요 꼭 가보고싶었는데
그 어린 나이에 자기 인생을 선택하기까지 얼마나 외롭고 무서웠을까.
17세 호원이의 외롭고 절실했던 시절의 마음을 감히 상상할 수 조차 없다.
그 누구보다 강하고 또 강한 호원아~
항상 내가 응원해!!!
Omg hoya you've been through a lot :( but i'm happy to see you in SMF with mbitious members, you looks like enjoy so much to be a part of mbitious, hope the good results in SMF, fighting 🔥
아버지친구 부모님은 건강하게 내보내면 다라고 하면서 자식이 동생 등록금 대주는건 “남이 아니잖아 “ ㅎㅎ...
집에 있으니까 애기 같애 ㅎㅎㅎ
얼마나 마음고생이 심했을까
.....
사이 좋아지셔서 다행이다ㅠㅠㅠ호원오빠 파이팅!!
우리 수학여행 갔을때 토월고 왔다갔다며ㅠㅠ 진심 나 토월고 학생 이었는데 겁나 요번엔 98년생들이 부럽네요ㅠㅠ 인슾인데 호원님, 저 토월고 졸업생이에요ㅠㅠ 호원님이 졸업하지 못한 학교를 제가 졸업했습니다. 실제로 뵙고 싶습니다ㅠㅠ 호원님, 정말 팬입니다. 그리고 꿈을 이뤄줘서 대신 고맙습니다. 만약에 계속 학교 다녔으면 졸업장은 따겠지만 꿈 없이 성적맞춰서 대학 다녔지 않나 싶습니다.
now i understand why even though hoya smiling at someone there is a deep sadness on his eyes 😥 and i felt it💔💔💔
As a father, he needs to support and build a relationship with his child. But the father did nothing but create fear for Hoya. I hope that one day the father will recognize his wrongs. Although Hoya quitting school may not been what his parents wanted, he felt afraid of speaking up because his father would abuse him again. I hope Hoya’s heart will heal. He’s been so through much to be where he is and the father needs to apologize and give up his pride
Now, i knew from where he got his awkwardness.
I can understand that the fathers be more hard to their sons than the daughters but i could see that his father has bad temper (especially in the past).
Rather than complained about the child abuse that he had before, let's adore how nice hoya as a son who never hold a grudge to his father.
And also i admire hoya's father effort to open his mind and heart too. He's more flexible and softer eventhough it's still awkward but at least he's trying bit by bit. I hope they will always happy in the future. ^^
I want to see hoya's hyung too~~ ><
Is he already married now?? It said he would get married on july.
Yeah He's Married :) Hoya sung at the Wedding too :)
tazmoose22 really?? I'm happy for him and his wife. ^^
I'm a girl but why my father is so hard on me?
Hoya is literally a victim of child abuse. I've been hit before and it's something I still have a hard time coming to terms with, especially when it's from someone you love (i.e. parents). This is not how you treat your child and his father should be ashamed. And please, don't say this is just an "Asian thing." I'm Korean, and that's really offensive to say, implying only Asian people abuse their children and that's it's inherently an Asian thing to do. This is not a healthy father-son relationship.
I'm so sorry for what you went through, but I'm happy that you left this comment. So many people try and excuse abuse, especially when it happens in other cultures; but abuse should never be seen as a cultural aspect. I'm really shocked at all the people excusing it because they 'seem okay now', because 1) they really don't, at all 2) it's clearly affected Hoya deeply, and some of his thoughts/opinions reflect that. It leaves an emotional scar that can be a real struggle to deal with.
I wish you the best for the future, and hope that you can further heal from your experience
I've been there too.. My mom is a single mother, i get that she was so stressed all the time while raising 4 daughters..but its not something u can forget
so sad to hear...In my country beating child became normal way of growing and discipline...my mom used to beat me till 10 grade...Now I am in college..
Yeah it's horrible because often the kids will grow up thinking it's okay to hit their own kids in the future. There are many forms of discipline and HITTING YOUR CHILD is the by far the worst and least effective way of teaching them at such an early stage of development.
I'm Asian but we have to admit usually Asians think it's okay to hit their children like that. Even the children believe so because most places in Asia do not educate their children on what's abuse and what's not while in America many of them know and even if the receiver of the abuse doesn't know their friends do so their friends help them. But in Asia not many actually know of the limits to what's discipline and what's abuse.
this made me cry a lot. i can relate somewhat because i used to be in that kind of awkward relationship with my dad. But luckily, we are somewhat closer now thanks to our bond over TV shows and some time together when my mom went on her trip. I'm really happy that Hoya and his dad got a bit closer. I understand it's not easy to express your feelings and say 'I love you' genuinely. Does anyone know where I can watch more of this show with full Eng Sub? gahh things about parents really get to me
Hi, this is the full cut of his part :)
+InfiniteUpdates do you know where I can watch other celebrities and their fathers with Engsub? this show seems really nice and I would like to see more. Btw, thank you so much for your hard work and taking your time to provide us with Eng sub! :)
I relate a lot too =)
I can relate to Hoya because my father almost the same as me... And I've never talked with him unless it is something so urgent... I hope like Hoya's father,he will take a step and become closer with me since I've taken the steps.... I love you dad
I'm crying... I can feel love between them eventhough they're not good with words. .... The second (middle) son (daughter) usually is 'the most different one' among siblings.. Their father treat the youngest differently. It's natural eventhough it supposed to be not like that.... I don't blame Hoya's father. He's trying so hard to make everything better...I think...:). After this show, I love Hoya MORE !!!
I'm a middle child myself. For me, regarding parents treating last child better is because of the regrets they had before while raising the older childrens. Simple to say, parents had no experience with 1st child but the experiences earned one by one together with knowledges in raising a child. Hence, the last child get the best attention and affection due to accumulated experiences and knowledges.
Diyana Nasiha Yes...I agree with you...I'm glad you don't have trouble...:) I have two older sisters and I'm the youngest one. I can feel my sisters' feeling (especially my middle sister. She fought a lot with my mom) because I, literally, never fought with my mom.They said my mom loved me the most...(that actually not like that...) .But everything is REALLY FINE and doing well after we all got married (yes I'm a married woman who loves Infinite.kkkk).Soyeah.. I feel Hoya very well too...:)
+flos421 married and still inspirit ♡▪▪▪♡ i love u XD
You're very right, the middle children is (always) the most different. My sister is the middle one (19yo), and I'm the yougest (17)and I've a big brother (22). And I don't know why but my sister is beginning to have a really bad relationship with my parents, she misbehaves with them, talk bad to them... And she does all that without any big reasons, so my parents can't understand her. And me and my brother have never argued with my parents. My brother who is older has never did what my sister is doing now, when he was 19 also. I don't understand either what's in her mind. She's the only one "bad" among us, siblings.
You're very right, the middle children is (always) the most different. My sister is the middle one (19yo), and I'm the yougest (17)and I've a big brother (22). And I don't know why but my sister is beginning to have a really bad relationship with my parents, she misbehaves with them, talk bad to them... And she does all that without any big reasons, so my parents can't understand her. And me and my brother have never argued with my parents. My brother who is older has never did what my sister is doing now, when he was 19 also. I don't understand either what's in her mind. She's the only one "bad" among us, siblings.
아 호야 된사람이다...
Words can not express my thankfulness for your subs ;,)
I Didn't watch it before...but now i feel more proud of him.
Hoya you are truly a inspiration for inspirits ❣
i was honestly so happy when hoya and his dad were talking and went shopping because it showed so much improvement from the last time they were together. also i am literally hoya when im going shopping with my parents. honestly so happy for a there to be a show like this.
i cried a lot especially because i can totally relate with his situation...
*NO OFFENSE but YES OFFENSE*, his entire family SCREAMS red flag as abusive to me. His father BEAT him with a baseball bat and considered taking him out of the family registry. And even in the beginning, the way in which the family speaks SO casually about Hoya's brother setting a wedding date BEFORE even proposing is really controlling behavior and Hoya even POINTS out how abnormal that is. YIKES at this family and I hope that Hoya gets some sort of closure.
I think what they meant was like they (brother and girlfriend) decided to get married and did all the arrangements you have to do, but the man didn't get down on one knee or whatever proposing means so he gotta do the "grand gesture"
but a lot of korean people propose after getting wedding plans ready.... tho....
100% agree...im actually surprised Hoya turned out pretty well...like he seems to stay true to what he believes and idk, if i hadnt seen this video i would have assumed that he grew up in a proper family that taught him values, manners and respect
When Hoya said, that his father hit him to the baseball bat its really makes me cry😭😭.INFINITE dance machine Hoya hwaiting.Sarang hae Hoya😍😍.
wow thank you so much!!!
i thought no one would sub this show.
This made me more idolize him. His father must be so proud on how hoya made his dreams come true.....
thanks for the sub. this show made my eyes teary a lot. There are many aspects that you can take. Firstly, how Hoya didn't give up and become Hoya that we know. His dream actually very risky. But fortunately, he become successfull now. I saw Infinite sesame player. I think they're not well then and Sungyeol said something about him dropping out from school and will come to home when he's successfull. This is very aspirational . I wanna cry~ :(
It was so heart warming atleast he made up with his father...! Also i read comments saying its abbusive .. his father's act mad me mad but i guess obviously his father has got some rights over him ... i felt so sad hearing he was beaten without any mercy but see the good part guys .. he proved himself infront of his father now he wants to thank him like wow... I've been with Infinite for more than 2 years but how could i miss this 😍
Thanks for engsub!!oh gosh i remember that IS2 eps hoya cried so hard on that fathet song.
Yes..i remembered that one.It was so sad.He looks like he was bottling up his emotion all this while and that day he just couldn't hold it anymore.I think i cried too...but i don't really remembered whether i did cry or not.The show was quite old already.
How can I not love Hoya for this? :'(((
I feel more respect and admiration for #Hoya. Despite all his efforts he has made a good journey. It is good to see that father and son are coming closer. In our ancient culture(India) it is rightly said that a father should be like a friend of his son after the age of 15. Though
he left #Infinite later but I hope he is well of and happy. Will miss him too!!
OMG!!!!! Thank You so much for subbing.I''ve been waiting for this like crazy.Crying river while watching my HoBaby doing so hard in the past.The struggles and hard works make him who he is now,don't care the others he just follow his dreams.Hoya is my bae along with Dino and Gyu.Hope Infinite continue to doing well and stay humble,healthy coz Infinite means world to Inspirits.
😢☺I hope hoya's relationship with his father will be stronger!I'm so proud of you Howon!!!!
호준이도 열심히해서 배우로 꼭 성공했음 좋겠다
I teared up when I saw all those INFINITE cds and the Hoya key-chain.
Thank you so much. You're a lifesaver. I thought no one will sub this. Thank you again, all staffs of InfiniteUpdates.
wow im surprised Hoya turned out pretty good. Like i thought that he grew up in a proper family that taught him values, manners and respect
호원 아~이 날 더 이해한다. 당신의 이야기는 우리 모두가 아빠 문제가, 내처럼 들린다. 호야는 당신에게 많은 것을 존중합니다. 사랑해 오빠
사랑해 이호원 💕
Made me cry, we love you, Hoya ❤
This was so heart breaking, and beautiful all in one go. Thank you for this
thanks for the sub! 😢😢 i felt bad for hoya.. but im glad all his efforts and sacrifices are all paid off..
Now I miss Hoya oppa more.....😭😭
compare the situation of hoya...strugling his dreams in the past while his younger brother pursue his dreams in good.... i dont know but i see wrong how he treat his child
his father didnt want lose another child!!
Thank you so~~ much for the eng sub !! you're the best Infinite Updates🙌 I hope relationship between Hoya & his Father more okay now!! 💟💟
I didn't know that Hoya didn't have a good relationship with his father when he was young :/ I'm happy that they are getting closer :)
22:35 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
As mad as some of you are getting, we've all made mistakes in our past and at least we can see that they're trying to change and make progress. Nothing you can do about what happened before. He's obviously very proud of his son now and Hoya just wants a normal relationship with his father. I also understand that it's hard to show some emotions because it makes you feel weak. Which is why I hate showing affection to my family. Especially since my mom always told me I had to be the "strong" one. And as a middle child I feel like I have to work harder and do more than the rest. But I hope things get better for them and that now Hoya takes these lessons and does his best when he has his own children.
I almost cringe everytime Hoya and his father are together. lol 😂 You can really feel the awkwardness. They are both not expressive, maybe that's why.
But I hope from now on, they will get along well.
Hoya + His father = double awkward
I was like that too I even laugh because it was mega awkward and could see hoya is the image of his dad
Thank you so much InfiniteUpdates for subbing
whoaaaa I've been searching this since forever, thank you so much 😘😘😘
my only concern is....can you really fix a relationship with cameras following you around like this ;; hopefully this was heartfelt and nothing was held back.
I cryed with that video. Even if Hoya feels better now, I'm sorry for him. His father isn't good.
난 아직도 호야가 창원에 있었다는게 안믿겨ㅠㅠ 나랑 같은 길도 걸어봤었겠지.. 츌세하자
woaaahh😱😱thanks for subbing masternim😘 infiniteupdates jjangg!!!
Family bonds are really important. It was nice to see them reconciling.
thankyou for sub ^^ thankyou so much for ur hardwork masternim ^^
thanks for the subs☺☺☺
Howon's ears were red the whole show, omg. 😂 Our Howonie oppa is a great son and brother. Thanks for your hard work.
Thank you for the sub. I wait for it patiently...:)
Thank you so much, I really wanted to watch this. ;)
i used to afraid and avoided my dad so much, since i'm the youngest one and kinda hard to handle than my other siblings. when i'm around junior high until when i'm in uni, i seldom talk with him, but when i finally graduated and tried to established my own cake shop, he is the first one who support me. after that we're so close to each other to the point that i think we are so alike. not so long after that, he passed away right when the point i prefer him over my mom. then i start to feeling empty again
Gosh, going in to watch this I had no idea I'd end up relating to Hoya on this level so much. I didn't drop out of high school, but but our relationship really is pretty far apart. I avoid him a lot and only talk to my mom about important things, the awkwardness too. Seeing Hoya and his Dad trying to make an effort to become closer is really inspiring me.
I think the thing is, Hoya didn't want his father to be punished, but to him to see he was wrong and be the father Hoya always wanted to have. So, his father was wrong, but going to the jail is not what was going to fix the situation between them and it was not what Hoya wanted. In this situation, they ended well, and the program is using this exemple to "give hope", some way, to those with the same problem. The big problem here is that, his father still talks about the "lesson" he gave to Hoya like he wasn't totaly wrong, and that makes me think that he actualy didn't regret it.
I'm really happy that they're trying to get closer, I have been in this fandom for a long time and this isn't a joke, Hoya literally used to cry when someone mention his father. Is so sad but finally this is happening! 💗💜❤️👏🏻
Hel Kwon is there any vid of it? if yes, pls share the link.tq
ipurpleheartHowon I don't have the links but this use to be in almost every program when someone mention his father, probably if you search it like: "Hoya talking about his father" or something like that you can find something, the problem with his father started really time ago just like he said 'cause he left school since he wanted to be a dancer/idol. But yeah you can easily search for it ^^
Aww..I never knew hoya had this kind of relationship with his dad!!Anyways I'm glad that they are getting close..
Thank you!!! Finally
I can now imagine Hoya as a father. ^_^
God forgive me to say this, but both his father and his father's hometown friend are the rude and abusive type of people. You can tell just by one look. His father will never change truly, no matter what. He can't even admit how wrong he was in the past.
I think hoya's dad learned from his mistakes a little bit... he isn't ashamed of hitting his son with a baseball bat (!!!!! ARE! YOU! KIDDING! ME!!!) but he at least recognizes that he owes hoya thanks rather than the other way around, and he is different to the 3rd son.
And I try not to judge people based on something that little, but that friend of his father's truly disgusts me. I hope he does not have a wife or kids. Parents owe their kids SO MUCH MORE than just being healthy (physically - the mental and emotional scars must be horrendous to raise your kids like that...).
its nice to see hoya n his father finally are tgt nicely!! n hoya helps his brother
When I was a kid, I was abused so badly, It was terrifying. Thankfully, even tho I'm already 16, my dad and mom REFUSE to hit me again. Glad my parents changed their ways.. When hoya said he see's his father within his actions at some points, I could say the same with me, I see my parents within my actions, I also hate it. Hoya is sometimes so quiet and reserved, I'm the SAME way. The way parents act towards children CAN affect shape the way a person becomes, it's so sad because it happened to me. :( I've become the way my parents were and I fucking hate it so much, but gradually I'm trying to change into someone better. Hoya, I love you, I understand you, stay strong
Stan Day6 As someone who was also abused and working on healing myself, I hope that you will one day be able to heal yourself and become the person you want to be. Not sure if you've heard of inner child healing but it has helped me a lot on my journey. Hope it will help you!
thanks for engsub!!
thank you so much for the sub... Should i also relate my case to Hoya.. May be not..So glad to hear that they are getting close... And so sad to say i havn't even properly talked with my father ever since i was born..And to be honest Idon't even know the love of Father till now..Don't even know the difference of having father and not... So sad for me and happy for Hoya..Anyways fighting Oppa...And once again thanx for the sub InfiniteUpdates....
thanks for the subs!!! ♥♥♥
Tq. Hoya father are so sweet . Always listen to his son songs in car. Hope they will live happily after this
i know hoya's father was abusive towards hoya. no doubt...but i can't help but feel bad for the father as well. the kids dont talk to him much, everything is awkward. for decisions that were big, his father finds out later. i understand, in a way, where this is coming from. i like how he supports his younger son so much after learning a lesson from hoya's life. he obviously cares for hoya a lot too which is why he plays infinite songs all the time that even the family has all the lyrics memorized. i mean, how many 56 year old guys can say the same (and for a boy group at that).
he created that situation himself, don't feel bad. many abusive parents act like victims when their now grown kids distance themselves after years of being abused. they act like they werent the ones who pushed their kids away by pushing fear and power into them.
Wow😭 I'm happy they got closer by taking courage to do so. I'm awkward with my mom and dad, it's feels so cheesy and really hard just to say thank you to them.
i miss u
😢😢😢 😢😢😢 😢😢😢 never thought hoya's relationship with his father is that awkward 😢😢😢 seeing this i'm so grateful that daddy treating me as a loving daughter 😍 😍
God bless Hoya because I wouldn't have anything to do with the father - at first I was hesitant to judge him, but HE BEAT HIS SON MERCILESSLY WITH A BASEBALL BAT FOR QUITTING SCHOOL!!! After that, I was absolutely done with "giving him a chance."
IN *NO* CULTURE is it *normal* to do that!!
Also, if your two adult children want absolutely nothing to do with you, won't even talk to you, but are both close to their mother, YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.
Maybe the father was abused, but I see Hoya recognizing and trying his hardest to break the cycle of violence while the father doesn't seem to regret anything, is absolutely not ashamed and even tries to justify his actions. You don't have to pat him on the head but beating him with a baseball bat is just about the last thing that you should do. It only creates fear and hate. You don't have anyone to blame but yourself for your son refusing to even say a word to you!
Hoya recognizes when he's being like his father and he hates it. You can see it in his face, hear it in his speech when he's talking about being like his father. He's trying his hardest to change it.
I feel u Hoya
god bless you for being such a blessing :*
thank you for sub..masternim...😍😍😘😂
The birthday song + cheesy message hahaha hoya got that cute shyness from his dad they are very cute and very sweet a bit weird but very cute and very sweet And yeah at the award cermony sungyeol look so similar to kris
this isnt "touching" this isnt "inspirational" this is making me mad because OBVIOUSLY he was abused as a kid n some people r looking over that fact i mean for fuk sake he even said his father HIT HIM with a baseball bat... HOW does that not translate 2 abuse for some people smh im really so mad over this
it's normal for Asian parents to hit their children. I know it is illegal in some countries but it isn't illegal in Asia.
that's NO excuse. it was legal in my country 15 years to beat your child but people still thought it was wrong ? like just cuz it's legal doesn't mean it's morally right n should be seen as the "norm"
+maca paca (zelo's mum)
My dad hit me with ratan sticks (my mom did too) when I have committed some sort of immoral acts (eg. stealing). Well I learned from my mistakes and never took something that doesn't belong to me anymore. By the way there's people who blame their parents for not punishing them after they did something bad and this causes them to become criminals when they have become grown men and women. This is true. Not all but it is happening. When you read novels which are written by Asians, you'll most probably read something like how the main character fought with his/her parents and how the parents punish them afterwards. It's normal, a norm.
+maca paca (zelo's mum)
Abuse is a different story. Abuse is hitting your child without valid reasons. You did it cause you just felt like your child is a tool for you to get rid of your anger. And yes that is illegal
i shouldnt hav 2 argue with someone on why hitting your child is wrong. there is NO EXCUSE no matter what the child has said/done. NO EXCUSE 2 lay your hand on a child with a conscious mind. in normalizing this behaviour with "it's part of asian culture !" youre essentially telling abused victims(esp in your own culture) they cant ask for help/that they deserve 2 be abused as punishment BECAUSE it's apparently "the norm". A LOT of asian parents dont discipline their children that way... A LOT of asian people are against it. there are OTHER ways 2 discipline a child .. ways that are actually effective n dont leave your child scarred/ scared of their own parents. the argument of "you can hit your child with valid reason" isnt a very good one... because where is the line drawn? what reasons are valid n others arent? my initial comment was about HOYAS situation... youre telling me hitting your son with a baseball bat is punishment ? let me repeat that. WITH. A. BASEBALL. BAT. i was hit with a baseball bat when i was 12 n it literally broke 2 of my ribs n that was an ACCIDENT.. imagine what damage couldve been done if the strike was intentional.
thank u!!!!
I hope they become more close to each other
watching this makes you think about a lot of things. i've never considered my father as scary too, but it's just that we don't get along well.
the moment when.the father can't. say "thank you" to his son...(teary-eyed) ...
why hoya why? you work so hard to be in infinite..why you lefttt..my hearteuu T.T
This was hard to watch. I wish well for Hoya
Howon-ie saranghae !~
..After all he's been through I'm kinda sorry he had to film this T . T
thankyou for sub ^^
Must have been way too difficult then how he much he can actually express😭
I want to give you hug