All you need for 14th Gen - MSI Z790 Tomahawk Max Review
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Unless youre looking to break overclocking records or sped loads of money chasing benchmark scores, we think you should REALLY be considering the MSI Tomahawk Max for your upgrade or new build...
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00:45 Good Value?
01:45 A closer look at the board
05:15 Performance Results
08:05 Conclusion
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i bought this motherboard for my new i9 13900KF. I've been using it for about 2 months now and it's been great. I have a couple things to say about this board you should know before buying.
1.) If you populate the top m.2 slot with an NVME SSD, your Graphics card will run in x8. The reason for this is because the top M.2 slot if PCIe Gen5. I thought this was going to ruin the performance of my RTX 3080, BUT it hasnt! RTX 3080s are PCIe Gen4 cards- and running them in x8 is equivalent to a graphics card that's PCIe Gen3 running in x16 ( like a RTX 2080ti). With that said you want your OS drive to be in the top M.2 slot because it connects directly to the CPU ( if your using a m.2 NVME drive for your OS drive).
2.) Make sure to write down the CHK number on the motherboard BEFORE installing it! The CHK number is used to fill out your warranty online. The CHK number is located on the side of the 24 pin power cable on the motherboard. Its ahrd to see the number once everything is installed.
Ive used nothing but MSI boards for my last 5 builds and never had any issues. Plenty of power for the i9 13900/ 14900k. Also, my 64GB of 6400MHz RAM runs at XMP speeds no problem.
EDIT: i dont know why your VRMs/ Socket temps are that hot mine haven't gone over 50c on VRM and its around 75-80c on the socket under 100% load for 20 minutes(socket only , the CPU die is actually around 84c with EK nucleus). I never had to undervolt anything , maybe the new BIOS fixed all the previous issues it had, it must've
What happens if we use gen5 gpu (when released) and m.2 gen4?
@@srivatsavv8079 you just use the second m2 slot instead of first i assume. The 16x -> 8x rule is only if you use the 1st m2 slot (linked to cpu)
Where to put NVME 4.0 m.2 if its your only storage (OS will be on it), and you have new gen Nvidia 4000s GPU? Also running intel 13600k
I own this board and have noticed it goes toe to toe with much more expensive boards with the exception of bells and whistles. However more than adequate for my needs. With my delided 14900K, MSI Lite Load, and 6Ghz+ features I have no trouble daily driving 6.3/4.6 and all core 5.8/4.6Ghz without breaking 320w under full load at a max temp of 82C. Plus there is room to go farther with the OC. I've taken her to 6.2/4.6 all core and she sits right at 97C consuming 430w under load. I am running a DeepCool LT720 which is arguably the best AIO for the 13/14900K. The VRM doesn't get as warm on my board though. All in all, this is a great board, and it runs like a sewing machine. I bought it because of Asus's terrible QC. I received three bad boards from Newegg from different batches. This was meant to be a "get by board" and what a pleasant surprise. This is a solid board that I now happily use to daily drive my 14900K. Asus can pound sand until they get it together. Good review, it's on par with my experience with the board.
Did you install your ssd in the pcie 5 slot, or you're using one of the chipset slots? If so, is there any performance drop when running the system in pcie 5 x8 mode?
All my drives are identical 2TB XS70 Gen 4 x 4 drives. One is in the "CPU slot" and the other three are in the "chipset slots". All of the drives hit their rated R/W speeds of 7200mb/s/6400mb/s. Not sure if that helps but they scream. PCI-E 5.0 storage would be a waste for me having what I've got so haven't bought a Gen 5 drive to test out.@@AdeM-kc7sc
@@AdeM-kc7sc I have same questions.
Same question too!
@@AdeM-kc7sc with a gen4 x4 drive margin of error
I swapped from Asus to MSI for my last 2 builds and my sons got to say I've been happy with the outcome.
The rear I/O looks great, 8 USB A plus 2 C's and a full complement of audio is all I want.
OH JEEZZZ < so looking forward to the under-volting vids! Also, has there been any other issues with THUNDERBOLT 4 USB-C on the ASUS boards (other than the Z790 pro art )???
Any idea when the undervolt video is coming? Great videos !
How does it compare to tuf z790 pro or plus?
If I undervolt the CPU, how am I supposed to boil water for my tea during my NAAFI break?
I hope the msi can sell the EZ-DASHBOARD included in their 'msi z790-MPOWER' motherboard box separately, so I can connect it to my msi z790 Tomahwk max wifi, to achieve the debug LED functionality....
Another very good review Guv, and like you I agree if MSI want to get creative with their boards then please give us other parts to match!
Thanks for this
Would be great to see the undervolting tutorial
Would you prefer it over the Asus z790 TUF PRO?
Some people like TUF-style, some people like TOMAHAWK style.... to me, I don't like ASUS either MSI, I just hate 'Armory Craft'
@@yuan.pingchen3056 what is armory craft?
@@psyber84 oh, should be armory crate, it's a ASUS utility
It's an amazing motherboard. I just wish it had thunderbolt in the rear IO, which I don't really need, but it's nice to see it there :)
Is this mobo good for 14900k stock ?
You need to turn off turbo enchantments in bios if you plan to run on stock I believe
Lighting is a bit OTTTL.😁 Yellow? On my screen it is a similar (flourescent?) green to that of the Mackie speakers. An understated match in fact. I'm not an Intel man, I'll have to look out and see if any of MSI's AM5 boards have the same subtle flashes. I'd certainly go with this over the other contenders if I was Intel favouring atm! Nice board and nice review.
Thanks for this great review. I am going te build a new pc, but i cant decide if I take this msi tomahawk Max board or the Asus strix z790h, the last one is way cheaper, but the only difference i see is 4 instead of 6 sata cables.
Any advise here? Thanks 😊
What did you buy?
What did you buy?
@@rajajanapareddi5325 tomahawk z790 wifi, no regrets :)
is this compatible for 12th gen, I've seen it mentioned and I just want to double check!
Is there still issues with this tomahawk refresh boards like the non max z790 versions had a lot of DOA's, but i really need a new z790 motherboard and did want this but i'm put off by what i have seen
Same. I just dont want to go through the hassle of rma if i get a bad board. Im leaning towards an asus z790 tuf pro. Its the last piece i need to upgrade.
I am a Asus guy but all these motherboards are top quality, imo it boils down to price and looks.
Have you tried using 4 sticks of ddr5 ram in these boards i have the MSI Z790 Tomahawk WIFI and 4 sticks of dominator ddr5 5600 ram sticks and can not get it to run steady crashes bsod after a while any idea's
looking forward to the z790 formula review and undervolting guide!
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I recently bought this board and I am trying hard not regretting it as essentially it only has 3 m.2 slots, unless you don't mind dropping your GPU down to x8 then it has 4. Will the lane dropping in speed still be an issue if a pcie 5 GPU was installed into the pcie lane (when they release) for example if you installed a pcie 5 GPU would it run at pcie 4 x8 if m.2 slot 1 was populated? also does running your OS from the chipset m.2 slots really matter much? In my NVME benchmarks testing I have weirdly been getting better results not using the gen 5 m.2 slot 1 which is the only one that runs direct to CPU.
What was your solution at the end? Where to put NVME 4.0 m.2 if its your only storage (OS will be on it), and you have new gen Nvidia 4000s GPU? Also running intel 13600k
@@kleptokratija I'm running a 14700k with a 6950xt I got in a good end of batch sale. I just don't use NVME Slot 1.
Hi, I purchased this board and a 14th gen cpu. The board that i received says 12th & 13th gen. Are there two different boards with same name?
MSI website states 14th gen compatible DDR5, the one i have received says DDR5 boost.
Many thanks for any help
from what I've researched it is compatible you just need to ensure you update the bios and your all set
You're very well lit today sunshine! :-D
OH,,, and,, thanks for telling consumers the actual truth,, so refreshing.
Where can i find the undervolting video?
Its going to be live soon :)
@OC3D How soon? Thank you.
I’ve bought an i9 13900K and getting the RTX 4080 Super FE when it releases, will this board be okay with them?
yeah no reason why it shouldnt be
@@OC3Dthanks for the reply man, got the i9 14900k as it was £20 cheaper so may aswell lol
@@kieronmurphy2652how was it overclocking the cpu ?
7 months, where's the undercoating guide?
I have the DDR4 version it's better than a 800$ asus motherboard you might think you lose the 5.0 nvme but no actually you GAIN by not having it because it completely destroys all 700-2000$ motherboards...why ? it takes bandwith from the pcie slots and other nvme slots and sata...it ruins everything else, most 5.0 nvme slot only have 1 useable pciex16 slot and most half the bandwith if you use the 5.0nvme when the manual says x8 it's x8 period x8 4.0 x8 3.0 the rest of the bandwith is LOST
and once again 5.0 strikes and kills the gpu slot : * PCI_E1 slot will run at PCIe 5.0 x8 mode when installing M.2 PCIe SSD in the M2_1 slot.
your 4090 will run x8 your 7900xtx will run x8 who wants that ? it pretty much means you cannot use pcie_1 unlike the ddr4 version of this board who has 4 really useable nvme while keeping the gpu slot at x16 also can use 4 sticks of ram unlike ddr5
@@fredEVOIX Thats why you go amd you get to utilize the x16 plus gen5 drives
What? No it doesn’t! 8x 5.0 = 16x 4.0…so it’s the same unless you have PCI 5.0 graphics card.
@@cia4gent128 The GPU is 4.0, so it won't run at 5.0. You'll get pci 4.0 x8.
@@AdeM-kc7sc I have z790 aero G…when using pci 4.0 gpu…it switches from 8x 5.0 to 16x 4.0 even if nvme 5.0 is used…you can read the manual.
Brand new PC with 14700K is not turning on with this MB. Is it possible that it's still running an old BIOS which does not support 14th GEN?
No dude. Even older boards will boot fine so youll need to fault find as its probably a build problem
@@OC3DMB us fucked up, on ASIS ROG STRIX everything works fine…
it does need to be updated to the latest bios for q4th gen to work properly
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You work as a driver?
Can anyone verify is the board can actually do 7800 stable? I got the Tomahawk (not Max) and it does 7400 fully stable.
8000 XMP wth 3 different sets of memory for me
@@OC3D Holy moly! That's very impressive! Friend of mine can't even get 8000 fully stable on his Z790 Apex, that's with half a dozen A-Die kits and bunch of i9s. To think a 4-DIMMer board now doing 8000 XMP..
I have a MSI Pro Z790-P wifi ddr 4 with a 13700k. I can not get decent speed out of my top pci-e slot.
I moved the nvme drive to a lower slot and when I use the top pci-e slot with a rtx 3060ti, it gpu mines at half the rate it should. The other 2 pci-e slots give me full performance. I've tried setting multiple bios pci-e settings and nothing changes. I am stumped.
Very good review! I own the previews model Tomahawk Z790 Wifi and I m more than satisfied! On max model, which are almost the same, I really don't like this Florence color!!!
I liked the review but I am gonna correct you for something board actually is green not yellow, no offense but think you little color blind is very light green kind a yellowish but not really is a GREEN
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@@OC3D Thanks, mate!
All you need for the 14th gen? Sure, there is zero upgrade path either way for this dead platform.