Ayo yo! It's Taledo. Just dropping some more info! The one thing this video is due to VTubers who are clearly uncomfortable with being shipped and/or shipping culture going WAY too far. While some are fine with it, others aren't. They are real people with they own boundaries. Tl;dr Just be Respectful Anyway, lemme know your thoughts in the comments! Glad I got editing done despite my school and work load. 💜
This reminds me of the Jacksepticeye x Markiplier ship from a long time ago where fans were so obsessed with it that Jack had to tell them to stop. Those two were REAL people yet people got upset cause they weren't "together" history always seems to repeat itself just with a new skin
@@Meamery The Voltron writers got DEATH THREATS because a character the fans had decided was gay wasn't gay, then ANGRIER death threats when they gave him a canonical boyfriend that WASN'T the ones the fans wanted. (Ignoring that he's the only member of the primary cast well into his 20s, and everyone else is teenagers). 2016 was the year EVERY fucking fandom got REALLY fucking entitled and REALLY fucking toxic.
I think they had to stop seeing each other because Jacksepticeye girlfriend received death threats because of that (I heard that as a rumor, not sure if this true)
@@aradraugfea6755 Toxic Shipping has always been around. The Term "Ship" was popularized from Scully and Mulder ship of the 90's show X-Files. Teen Wolf and Once Upon a Time are two fandoms I remember having SUPER toxic fans who were pissed their gay headcanons weren't real and sent death threats. Once Upon a Time got to the point where they would start harassing some of the male actors, their families and their children. Death Threats, Trending Twitter Topics, you name it. No one was spared unless they specifically said they liked the gay ship. Writers, Staff, Guest Stars. I also remember relatively small fandoms like Warehouse 13 getting super toxic about their ships. The only fandom I _ever_ remember being chill was the Haven fandom, which had cute names for the ships (I think it was Pancakes and Waffles, depending on which male character liked which one) and the shippers of all sides actually got along really well and sometimes crossed over so one person had multiple ships. I dropped out of the show half way through, so it COULD have gotten toxic (especially because the show took a way different tone by the end), but I remember that shipping culture being some of the best I've ever seen. I dont think we'll see that again.
I think shipping is ok until it gets harmful to either party. Like ok cool the Vox and Shoto thing I thought was fucking adorable, but at the same time they aren't actually together and I respect that. I ship the characters but not the people and that's where things get icky for the community is when people start shipping the ACTUAL PEOPLE.
Yeah and for some reason when other streamers' names are mentioned and deleted in Shoto's chat when they bring them up unprompted, it doesn't seem like people get the message. They continue to spam Vox's name and I feel bad for the mods but it is what it is. We can't stop incredibly delusional people. I do think Vox's mods need to take action faster in deleting and banning people who disobey the rules and I do feel he needs to not be so reactive to those comments and let his mods deal with it otherwise people push the blame onto Shoto and it becomes a whole mess cuz then there are people who think Shoto doesn't deal with the same shit. It's all a mess. I feel people need to realize that they need to see vtubers for who they are. Not reduce it to nothing but a ship. It's delusional and out of hand because some people just don't treat vtubers as people anymore but anime characters that they can freely fuck with.
Shipping/Headcanon/etc. is all fine, but... keep it light. Remember it's in your head. Don't get twisted just because your ship/headcanon didn't work out. That's for fictional characters and real people. Mark and Jack were in on the joke for a while, but, like happens, there will always be the people who either A) decide this is the funniest joke in the entire world and will tell it literally nonstop until the horse requires a forensic spectrograph to identify B) take the joke WAY too seriously, and decide these two people they have never seen outside of a "heightened" context are actually perfect for each other and get ANGRY when the real, flesh and blood individual gets a girlfriend. BOTH are cringe as hell. Like... okay, neurodivergent people exist, a lot of these fanbases are huge at a level it's literally impossible that there isn't someone in the group that struggles a bit with social queues and boundaries, but inability to intuit boundaries is no excuse for ignoring boundaries once they are set.
It’s so fucking crazy because of all this shipping I thought conner and ironmouse were dating and I was just like “ok cool” but there just really good friends, people went so far I thought they were actually together. *what the fuck.*
I thought they were dating too. You usually just put together through context clues whether people are dating, you rarely ever just ask because it’s obvious. The shipping around vtubers is hard to tell from genuine truth because shippers often talk about it like it’s truth.
Lmao the Vox and Shxtou thing was wild since you could always tell it was improv, like they were both sus right off the bat so ofc their energy would naturally take that kind of turn. Personally, I don't "ship" anyone in the vtuber community, but I think we can all give a collective tskr when two streamers make up their own ship and ship themselves lmao, it's too cute to see some of them with hand-holding assets and models cuddle up for the hell of it--all while we can acknowledge that they're indeed just close, comfortable friends!
Thank you Taledo for making this video (and mentioning me wow!) You put this into words much better than I could. SUPER well made video! As a VTuber who got shipped with another VTuber against my will I felt powerless against my own fanbase. I hope people can learn to only ship creators who appreciate it. 😣
Yeah I remember hearing about that in your review. Gets tiresome that people can't respect boundaries in this industry/community. And glad to mention your video! It helped a lot 💜
I understand if you ship fictional characters and that’s okay but NOT REAL people, “but they’re a online fictional character!” They ACT OUT as one, Thank you for the great video 🗣
The biggest problem with the vtuber community is (and I’m making an assumption) that at LEAST 25% to 50% of the fan base are obviously children. To have this type of behavior and mentality is completely childish. Let’s say you’re new to vtubers and you think two content creators would make a cute couple. It only takes ONE warning (sometimes a dedicated PSA video) by one of the creators to say “please don’t ship” for a mature viewer to get the message and not bring it up again. It’s the children that hears these PSA statements from their favorite creators and they STILL publicly ship them in the chat and comment section. It kinda makes me wonder how their parents are not teaching them anything. It’s sad that it takes a complete stranger on the internet to drill it into their tiny skulls about respecting others and that a mere fan has no place or right to force an ENTERTAINER to live or act in whatever way they desire. Go write a fanfic or draw fanart if you want your fantasies to come alive. But don’t shove your disrespectful fantasies in the faces of your favorite entertainers. Thank you 🙏
This is true from what I’ve heard. RUclips’s algorithm sees Vtubers as cartoons/animation, so it recommends them to kids/young teens even when it isn’t appropriate. I love Kenji but you only need to take one look at his comment section to see what kinds of people are there.
I’m not finna lie when I was 11 I shipped two real people in my class and I wrote stuff down now I’m 15 I found the thing I wrote and I was visibly uncomfortable like I was a creep 😂 but sometimes it isn’t the parents sometimes it’s just childhood
I don't disagree, there definitely are minors engaging in shipping to this extreme. Just don't underestimate the immaturity of some fully grown adults. You'd be surprised.. 🤭
TakaMori was fanservice, not like something bigger, but they got tired of it route. That's natural. Most 'characters'-vtubers abandon their characters through time. Now they are more open to their audience and themself, they don't need this kind fancervice.
They got tired of it, but management saw fans loved it so they told them to keep it up, but that could only last for so long, everywhere they went, talked to anyone some fan would bring it up and would even claim that others where trying to break up the takamori ship, untill finally both just told their fans to stop the ship, it's funny and quirky but got old.
I think they are still super sweet now literally only using their nicknames for each other sometimes (no more kusotori now it's just Wawa and Calli is Cawi). Like yes it was fanservice style before but them being super close to each other is still true even now (I mean look at the last clip of them in the video where they are just being cute dorks poking each other when they got to see each other in Japan again)
As it turns out, many people still are not aware that making people uncomfortable is making people uncomfortable. And yes, I do enjoy BaeRyS and KronFauMei content. As long as it is fun for everyone.
The Voxto one angers me because i remember while watching an Ike and Vox Collab in Ike's channel a freaking Voxto Shipper Troll just SUPACHAT IKE say along the lines "vox sounds awkward and bored next to ike" and after that they keep hating Ike and Vox about why is Vox hanging out with Ike instead of Shoto 😰😰
Bro that’s fucking nasty, and showing a blatant disregard for the number one vtuber chat rule of “don’t mention other streamers unless I bring them up”
People like this make me feel ashamed to be in this community sometimes. I too enjoy voxto, but Jesus Christ calm down mfs, were talking about real people here. If you're so dead set on vox and shoto being together keep that to yourself and in the dedicated ship tags you weirdo's
that is disgusting. these people are so stupid, it was probably because of them we don't get our sus content from voxto anymore, and I loved that shit, but people always have to ruin good things by being weird.
I like Mouse's comment on the "Vtuber dating" thing. Honestly, Mouse has a LOT of great little summaries about how this shit works, as expected from someone who basically dedicates every waking moment to this even when she's not on some crazy 17+ day endurance stream. "Ironmouse will never date anyone. Do you understand me? IRONMOUSE will never date anyone. If /I/ find someone, you will NEVER know." That's Ironmouse, the most parasocial Vtuber out there. One who is pretty damn open about just about everything in their life letting you know that, yeah, you're "famoly" yeah, she spent 7 days hanging out and chatting with you. She STILL ain't her character. A line exists, and that line is her romantic relationships.
Just discovered this channel a few days ago. Im really enjoying your takes on some of these sensitive topics in the vtubing community. Looking forward to more.
Shipping, even about official couples, can become uncomfortable for them. So the golden rules in shipping are: Don't go too far, and keep your fantasies to yourself or within the niche community, NOT in front of the persons themselves, don't use their official tags or in their channel.
Lmao I remember at the very beginning of me getting into vtubers I thought takamori was cute and I thought the idea of a phoenix/reaper ship was really... Idk, poetic? But I thought it was obvious when the two were playing up their characters VS them being themselves. Fool that I was, I assumed the majority of other fans were the same. Nnnnope.
Shipping real people passes a line to me, goes from Fiction to rumor. Want to make a story about Captain Jack Sparrow going to the grocery store. Fine. Want to make a story of Johnny Depp going to the grocery store. No, that passes a line for me. Always has. Always will.
When I was in high school my literal classmates tried to ship me with my friend. Every time we were together there were weird comments. Tbh all it did was make it uncomfortable for us to be friends anymore and we stopped talking. It's weird as all hell. Who other real ass people are dating has no effect on my life and I refuse to spend my time fantasizing over it, its just odd.
Your edits with images in the bg are immaculate. Whatever anime that's from when you're describing the origin of the word shipping is so accurate it hurts, and I say this as someone who enjoys ship content (feels weird/wrong to call myself a "shipper" when I'm generally flexible about pairings) Edit: I will say that for Ironmouse and Cdawg, though, that I hope to God whatever partner they end up having is super secure bc from what we see of their relationship the two really do have a deep emotional connection that can often lead to/be part of/be mistaken for a romantic connection. Regardless of whether they actually are that way, the important thing is that the people involved don't want others to take it that way. Makes me feel like an old auntie when I see people with a connection like that because 50% of me is like "yes, I see where people are coming from, damn I wish I had that" and 50% of me is like "no, gotta respect their boundaries."
dude i love your style of commentary, i for once dont get bored or end up skipping parts of the video because of how you're so straight forward! tysm for making this amazing content, keep up the great work!
another thing i wanna mention is that when vtubers say that they’re uncomfortable with shipping in some aspect they get attacked for some weird fucking reason. example: mysta said that shipping him with others made me feel weird since he’s gotten to know this people and has had deep conversation. although he wasn’t against him being shipped and was still fine with it. seems reasonable to most people! but not to the delusional shippers getting mad at me saying “how dare you be uncomfortable” and saying how he used to be okay with it and he has no right to now be upset. when he.. literally didn’t even say that he didn’t want to be shipped anymore. and then kyo asking if you could put shipping content out of his art tags (i believe) and people attacked him for that as if their ship got directly attacked... fans are so weird
I suppose I ship Mousey and Connor because I really want them to get together, but I keep it to myself and I don't like force it on anyone. It's really a shame what shipping can do
i honestly feel like the ONLY way shipping vtubers together could be okay is if its just the avatars/characters being shipped and.... not... the people behind them??? maybe im just crazy for being able to separate the two but thats just me LMFAO its ridiculous for people to go into a vtubers chat demanding information about their ships like..... please just watch an anime or something im begging you. great video again as always ^_^ its hard enough finding other black people online, let alone black creators interested in vtubers so im very happy to have stumbled across ur channel!
I think the way people push the vtuber shipping is interesting as there is a layer of self-awareness feeding the community a bit such as Hakos Baelz and IRyS. Takamori was the most toxic shipping war out there and as someone who does have shipping pairs in a purely fantanical way, it was quite sad how people tried to force Takamori. Fanservice is always a part of these idol idustries and sometimes they play into it, but this doesn't excuse this as fact even if they heavily imply it. IMO It's okay to ship as long as you understand the distinction between the person and the character and not let it shade your views on the actual person
5:55 BIG facts, I've always found it so weird when people unironically use "fleshtuber" like do yall think vtubing is on another plain of reality or something?? They're all the same thing: content creators😭 vtubing is just a medium (and a lot of vtuber fans would like to say "vtubers should get the same recognition as other content creators!" But then segregate the two media by using terms like fleshtuber and normie😭)
Lemme share my not needed two cents about Ironmouse and Connor- I don't ship them personally they honestly just seem like two best friends that treat each other like siblings. I learned from the goddamn undertale and voltron fandom that I should not touch shipping and I feel like other people should also take from their weird past in other fandoms and not ship Vtubers despite the mindset most people have of them being characters just weird to me. (But hey, if you want to ship them, go ahead- I'm just a stranger on the internet :>)
This is why I always check clips of vtubers that I want to ship where they say their boundaries. For example, in Nijien, I ship Sonny and Alban. I check both their clips. They are okay with this ship. And I continue. I they said "we don't like it" I wouldn't do it. Is that such a complicated concept to some people?
Can we just talk about how AMAZING this editing is? and I even have to mention this dude's voice is great! Im never bored watching these, love you Taledo.
IT IS SOOOO WEIRD, i feel so bad for creators bc it must get so exhausting n at some point push them away from collabing w certain creators, i wish ppl were more self-aware it gets scary
Basically, if they consent to it, great! Draw your fanart, write your fics, but be chill. If they don’t consent to it, don’t even fucking think about it. Another banger, really glad you’re getting more attention!
Honestly, for the longest time I didn't realise people took the shipping so seriously. Like, I'd watch a stream of two vtubers and be like "haha that's pretty cute and funny" and like fanart.... then i saw the people bringing it outside of that (like mentioning it in irrelevant streams) and thought i was going insane. I remember this one instance Uki Violeta was collabing with someone new and, since he is the flirty type of streamer, they were flirting and it was funny. Then chat had to bring up other livers (and saying Uki had a Harem 😭) IN THE OTHER PERSON'S CHAT TO MAKE SURE HE SAW IT! LIKE THATS WEIRD! idk man, ive always found shipping real people, even when they have avatars, weirdge. When I was younger I made alot of art videos and made a collab piece with a friend AND PEOPLE SHIPPED US! WE WEREN'T CLOSE LIKE THAT AND WE WERE KIDS! I've also been shipped with irls by irls and like, even when it was legit with the girl i used to like and was fine with joke flirting with, i didn't like being shipped! tho that was mainly because that one friend just kept insisting we had to date and that it would be cute
it is literally just "fucking behave". that's the only rule. the infamous example everyone brings up is septicplier but most people dont remember that they actually thought it was funny at first and leaned into it a bit. once it became clear that people had no clue how to behave themselves and started causing problems for them and their friends/coworkers was when shit hit the fan. it is literally just people misbehaving.
I’ve been in this community for nearly 3 years now, and I found the shipping stuff kinda weird from the very beginning. Hololive was the main thing I watched for a while and I never got onboard with the Takamori craze. In general I was never big on shipping even fictional characters, there’s only ever been a single fictional parring I’ve been invested in
The voxto still fresh in my brain bc I was there when they started mentioning shoto in vox Collab with Ike... It was so frustrating. it's so weird too bc before Shoto and vox hang out, ppl ship Vox with Ike lolol and I think the same people were the ones harassing Reimu too
the funny little in-between space vtubers have as streamers is weird to me. like, anime character with an actor assigned to everyone...so no ship? i was literally raised on rule "don't ship real people! y'all were there for ____ & ____ drama" or whatever, so its insane to me that some people (adults even!) never got taught that rule of fandom. heck, old fandom rules get broken on the regular in vtuber spaces!
i think its extremly weird to ship real people thats why i always found shipping within the vtuber community kinda weird. as a joke im cool with it like the way uki and fulgur handle it or how it started with mysta and mika before people started getting weird but otherwise its just weird for me. but im not even saying people should stop doing it just tone it down a bit and STOP BEING WEIRD.
Pretty solid video overall about some of the most popular ships. Most ships are somewhat played into by the vtubers but there will always be fans that take things far and start to make it the problem of the vtubers themselves or others. I think there is a healthy way of just making cute fanart or clips and such but actually bothering the vtubers themselves or other people they collab with is definitely out of line. I am pretty sure all the ships mentioned in the video have addressed it at some point at some level so that fans can tone down. Even if it sometimes gets ignored I'm glad that hololive girls have it as a standard rule in their chats that chat shouldn't mention other streamers/vtubers if they aren't brought up by the streamer themselves. I think most vtubers have that chat rule and it helps. I'm glad that none of them are like fake friends or anything though like it does seem like they are all still very close even if they have had to talk to fans about some boundaries/rules (some people just need to be told clearly)
Shipping can get weird, and sometimes ugly. As a long time Fanfic reader and RPer... it has its dark side. On the surface level, it isn't bad. It is usually fans enjoying an established pairing in a media (comics, books, cartoons/animes, tvshows, etc;). A lot of media has and will keep playing at the "will they/won't they?" Trope. The love triangle, who will win the love of the main character. And just a light enjoyment in the "What if?" Pairing of characters that aren't together, but some daydreamer would like to see. The difference between that and what is discussed in this video is what Taledo nails on the head. These are real people. They might play at being characters a bit. But they still are sharing a lot of themselves from behind these Avatars. Not counting that they are active with their fan bases' art, clips, topic videos, and in some cases fanfics. It can get... distributive. These shippers can get vocal and even angry if their ship isn't recognized. One of the many reasons I stopped Role-playing established characters. Why, beyond a close friendship, I wouldn't write a romance that isn't cannon in fanfics. Hell, I want to write fanfics based on Hololive, but will never go beyond a close friendship/family vibes they share. No romance between the characters... because the characters I am writing are real people. The characters I write are based not only on their lore, but things they share with their fans. And that can get weird as has already been established by this video. Great video Taledo
Warching the vox & shoto or the mouse n connor thing happen in real time was so crazy. I'll never understand how people actually do that stuff. I thought it was a bit but these mfs were SERIOUS.
Back in my day, people were shipping people way before V tubers and even before anime was popular. Hell, you could even say historically arranged marriages are shipping based on wealth.
seeing this in my feed and I'm wondering about a different hypothetical about vtubers in actual romantic relationships with each other and then playing into that
My ship is Vesper Noir and Nina Kosaka. Two old souls that found each other and had to keep their romance a secret. I guess now they can finally have their honeymoon.....
im curious how you feel about vtuber fanfiction. generally (but ofc there are still weirdos) people are writing about the characters themselves and not the actual people.. unless someone has explicitly said they dont want fanfiction of them either, how do yall feel about this?
personally I think it's okay even if the writing is somewhat personal (like the author mentions mannerisms of how the person behind the vtuber talks, things they've brought up that make them more relatable, etc.) because that's how you characterize and make it convincing. An example is temporary alpha (I think it's one of the most popular vtuber ship fics???) cuz it's a voxto fic that's got a ton of detail. Pretty sure shoto even recognized the author and thanked them for writing something the fans love so much...still, the fic's omega-verse and real explicit. The writer tweeted for people not to spam about it when Shoto was reading fanfictions one day, and he/she generally seems to not be on social media a lot or "push" the ship outside of ao3 (and if the author tweets they censor names so they don't appear under vox's or shoto's tags). idk as long as you keep the shipping to yourself or limit it to a site like ao3 I think it's not harmful.
i can’t say much since i only read a few vtuber fanfics but i like it more when it leans into the vtubers’ persona and lore because i’m curious to see how people make use of established concepts and incorporate that into their world building. an example i can think on top of my head was when i read the very first oceanlaw fic (appropriately titled, ocean law). i was enamored by the vivid language of the author and how they made use of finana being a mermaid and selen being a lunar dragon. of course, there were hints of inside jokes here and there but it wasn’t anything too personal. it stays into the realm of vtubers than the people behind them. you can tell that it’s fiction - a well-written one but not enough to somehow sell me the idea that they’re dating irl. so personally, as long as they focus more on the persona than the person behind it, the vtuber isn’t against/uncomfortable with fanfictions and the shippers don’t force it upon others or the vtubers themselves…. i have no problems with it. fanfiction itself isn’t inherently bad, it just depends on the author and the people reading it.
This reminds me of a coworker I briefly had at my first job. Big, open shipper of Septiplier (Jacksepticeye/Markiplier), had an instagram almost entirely dedicated to drawing horny art of the two (other art too, but enough to contend for the majority), and spent a good amount of time during our shifts trying to convince me they could actually be a thing- I believe this was around the time Mark started dating Amy. I wasn't aware of the bigger issue surrounding fans like that at the time until much later tbh. Their biggest piece of 'evidence' being that Jack once alluded to possibly being bi in a video once(? it's been a minute)- which I did not and have no interest in confirming. I'd never met someone like that in person before. It's been some years, hope they found a healthier outlet since then
Shipping real people together is completely weird, but I also find it weird that these vtubers throw suggestive comments back and forth at eachother or just straight up FLIRT. That is what encourages these people to go absolutely crazy about these ‘ships’. I’m definitely not blaming these vtubers for the weird shippers that exist in their audience, but just saying y’know
I think shipping is nice unless it oversteps their boundaries. Just ship them in your mind, ship them if they're obviously showing that they want to be shipped or if they're having a really romantic moment for some reason.
Honestly, shipping in general is just getting terribly out of hand. People violent to others just for shipping something different than what they like. And those are just fictional characters. I can't even fathom how horrible and scary it must feel when these gross shipping wars happen with characters who are actual living people.
Gonna always hope Conner and mouse stay friends forever or eventually get together. Been watching Cdawg for a long time and will watch twitch when I can. But I never get man when he's with other women but I do genuinely ship him and mouse as I think they would be good for each other. I don't go onto their channels and most forums, unless the thing is talking about the ship, to pro ship them or tell people "it's the only ship" I think a big issue with most shippers is that they are so invested in their ship or headcannon that they ignore reality and the feelings of others(such as the person or writer) You can see this most present in the MHA fandom, with Baku and deku. Where they legitimately want to murder the mangaka because of the cannon.
You know, this is like when people ship marvel characters and people start shipping the actors too. In that case I think it's better prevent the shipping to get to them. I've seen fics with "don't show this to the actors or anyone involved in these films", for example
As a Multishipper (I only ship dito o nak characters) as for vtubers no..becuz I know they’re people IrL and deep down it’s best to let other fans be (and La respect and don’t pressure your headcannon as reality folks)
Exactly, there is limit and a line you shouldn't cross, and if it's getting to the point you are harassing people about a ship and stuff, bruh you beyond back flipped over that mofo a long time ago, seriously people chili out and respect other people's boundaries.
I actually remember Rainhoe mention it on X that a lot of clippers have painted her as Connor's gf, to a point that made Connor uncomfortable, and you know, the IronDawg people also involved Mousey into it too. It was really disappointing to see these people do this shit
Seeing shipping sometimes ruin friendships just sends it home that pairing up irl people and obsessing over these sorts of fantasies nonstop makes a real impact. It's fantasizing and objectifying REAL people
The difference between vtubing and anime is that anime, the creator decides which ship wins or there's no ship at all and the vtubers are their own creators and they almost always don't want to do anything "like that" with each other.
I still see random 'Voxto' comments in chat every now and again, despite chat rules being super clear and multiple direct requests from Vox not to engage in that way. Some viewers simply refuse to respect boundaries.
I personally feel kinda uncomfortable with the ironmouse and cdawg ship because I feel like they play into it WAY too much. Like yeah I get that providing fanservice brings home the bacon, but lets be honest, If you're gonna do that then don't start complaining when people take you seriously.
The way I see, it's like if customers at your job starts shipping you with your coworker. It's hella awkward and you're put in a position to laugh it off (or play into it if your coworker is chill like that). "How could this be weird?" nobody asked. I replied, "Well I'll tell you!" Imagine if you're working one day and your coworker isn't there. It would be really fucking weird if a customer ran up to you at the job to let you know that they saw your coworker talking with someone else at the park (or wherever). Just because they ship you two together. 😑 This is why I don't participate in shipping culture.
My opinion on shippers and especially reallife shippers that are obsessed with this stuff and see "confirmation" freaking everywhere: Cut their internet.
People somehow forgot that these are real people behind these attractive models. These aren’t just voice acted characters. Literally if I was a vtuber and people pulled that bs on me, then get mad when I complain, I’ll tell them “too fuckin bad, don’t like how I’m a real person not wanting to be a slave to your intense shipping fantasies, then stay away from me.”
Idk hardcore shipping is kind of a childish thing. Not saying adults can’t ship (that’s how we get amazing fanfictions and doujinshis) but there is definitely a line that I feel those with a childish mind usually end up crossing.
all i’ve retained from this video is that taledo knows hetalia exists. and is willing to acknowledge its existence........ i’m frightened. in saying that if you need any help doing hetalia content in the future hit me up lmao
Ayo yo! It's Taledo. Just dropping some more info!
The one thing this video is due to VTubers who are clearly uncomfortable with being shipped and/or shipping culture going WAY too far. While some are fine with it, others aren't. They are real people with they own boundaries.
Tl;dr Just be Respectful
Anyway, lemme know your thoughts in the comments! Glad I got editing done despite my school and work load. 💜
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Yeah no shit everyone nows this
This reminds me of the Jacksepticeye x Markiplier ship from a long time ago where fans were so obsessed with it that Jack had to tell them to stop. Those two were REAL people yet people got upset cause they weren't "together"
history always seems to repeat itself just with a new skin
People were genuinely upset that a relationship they made up in their head wasn’t real…. 😂🤣
How dumb can you be even be like come on 😅
@@Meamery The Voltron writers got DEATH THREATS because a character the fans had decided was gay wasn't gay, then ANGRIER death threats when they gave him a canonical boyfriend that WASN'T the ones the fans wanted. (Ignoring that he's the only member of the primary cast well into his 20s, and everyone else is teenagers).
2016 was the year EVERY fucking fandom got REALLY fucking entitled and REALLY fucking toxic.
I think they had to stop seeing each other because Jacksepticeye girlfriend received death threats because of that (I heard that as a rumor, not sure if this true)
@@aradraugfea6755 Toxic Shipping has always been around. The Term "Ship" was popularized from Scully and Mulder ship of the 90's show X-Files. Teen Wolf and Once Upon a Time are two fandoms I remember having SUPER toxic fans who were pissed their gay headcanons weren't real and sent death threats. Once Upon a Time got to the point where they would start harassing some of the male actors, their families and their children. Death Threats, Trending Twitter Topics, you name it. No one was spared unless they specifically said they liked the gay ship. Writers, Staff, Guest Stars. I also remember relatively small fandoms like Warehouse 13 getting super toxic about their ships.
The only fandom I _ever_ remember being chill was the Haven fandom, which had cute names for the ships (I think it was Pancakes and Waffles, depending on which male character liked which one) and the shippers of all sides actually got along really well and sometimes crossed over so one person had multiple ships. I dropped out of the show half way through, so it COULD have gotten toxic (especially because the show took a way different tone by the end), but I remember that shipping culture being some of the best I've ever seen. I dont think we'll see that again.
I think shipping is ok until it gets harmful to either party. Like ok cool the Vox and Shoto thing I thought was fucking adorable, but at the same time they aren't actually together and I respect that. I ship the characters but not the people and that's where things get icky for the community is when people start shipping the ACTUAL PEOPLE.
Yeah and for some reason when other streamers' names are mentioned and deleted in Shoto's chat when they bring them up unprompted, it doesn't seem like people get the message. They continue to spam Vox's name and I feel bad for the mods but it is what it is. We can't stop incredibly delusional people. I do think Vox's mods need to take action faster in deleting and banning people who disobey the rules and I do feel he needs to not be so reactive to those comments and let his mods deal with it otherwise people push the blame onto Shoto and it becomes a whole mess cuz then there are people who think Shoto doesn't deal with the same shit. It's all a mess. I feel people need to realize that they need to see vtubers for who they are. Not reduce it to nothing but a ship. It's delusional and out of hand because some people just don't treat vtubers as people anymore but anime characters that they can freely fuck with.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Yeah i just ship Voxto as friends
@@Cchan-xy3hc exactly, some shippers are getting way too out of hand. People just can understand fucking rules sometimes.
Shipping/Headcanon/etc. is all fine, but... keep it light. Remember it's in your head. Don't get twisted just because your ship/headcanon didn't work out. That's for fictional characters and real people. Mark and Jack were in on the joke for a while, but, like happens, there will always be the people who either A) decide this is the funniest joke in the entire world and will tell it literally nonstop until the horse requires a forensic spectrograph to identify B) take the joke WAY too seriously, and decide these two people they have never seen outside of a "heightened" context are actually perfect for each other and get ANGRY when the real, flesh and blood individual gets a girlfriend.
BOTH are cringe as hell. Like... okay, neurodivergent people exist, a lot of these fanbases are huge at a level it's literally impossible that there isn't someone in the group that struggles a bit with social queues and boundaries, but inability to intuit boundaries is no excuse for ignoring boundaries once they are set.
My man's collecting the infinity stones of controversial VTuber topics. Don't stop
Making a career out of saying what needs to be said
It’s so fucking crazy because of all this shipping I thought conner and ironmouse were dating and I was just like “ok cool” but there just really good friends, people went so far I thought they were actually together. *what the fuck.*
I thought they were dating too. You usually just put together through context clues whether people are dating, you rarely ever just ask because it’s obvious. The shipping around vtubers is hard to tell from genuine truth because shippers often talk about it like it’s truth.
Lmao the Vox and Shxtou thing was wild since you could always tell it was improv, like they were both sus right off the bat so ofc their energy would naturally take that kind of turn.
Personally, I don't "ship" anyone in the vtuber community, but I think we can all give a collective tskr when two streamers make up their own ship and ship themselves lmao, it's too cute to see some of them with hand-holding assets and models cuddle up for the hell of it--all while we can acknowledge that they're indeed just close, comfortable friends!
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YOO Kenji! Glad ya enjoyed the video dawg! Keep being goated
2:28 "Look at what I called Botan."
2:31 "So this is my Hololive redemption moment."
2:36 "Takanashi Kiari"
God level comedy
There is a huge line between going "aw these two people would be cute together" and actively getting invested/obsessed with a person's relationships
I get shipping the characters/ avatars but it's super entitled to be policing peoples public/ private relationships.
Right like this ain’t Wattpad we’re we lookin into peoples “orbs” bsfr
Thank you Taledo for making this video (and mentioning me wow!) You put this into words much better than I could. SUPER well made video!
As a VTuber who got shipped with another VTuber against my will I felt powerless against my own fanbase. I hope people can learn to only ship creators who appreciate it. 😣
Yeah I remember hearing about that in your review. Gets tiresome that people can't respect boundaries in this industry/community.
And glad to mention your video! It helped a lot 💜
I understand if you ship fictional characters and that’s okay but NOT REAL people, “but they’re a online fictional character!” They ACT OUT as one, Thank you for the great video 🗣
The biggest problem with the vtuber community is (and I’m making an assumption) that at LEAST 25% to 50% of the fan base are obviously children. To have this type of behavior and mentality is completely childish. Let’s say you’re new to vtubers and you think two content creators would make a cute couple. It only takes ONE warning (sometimes a dedicated PSA video) by one of the creators to say “please don’t ship” for a mature viewer to get the message and not bring it up again. It’s the children that hears these PSA statements from their favorite creators and they STILL publicly ship them in the chat and comment section. It kinda makes me wonder how their parents are not teaching them anything. It’s sad that it takes a complete stranger on the internet to drill it into their tiny skulls about respecting others and that a mere fan has no place or right to force an ENTERTAINER to live or act in whatever way they desire. Go write a fanfic or draw fanart if you want your fantasies to come alive. But don’t shove your disrespectful fantasies in the faces of your favorite entertainers. Thank you 🙏
This is true from what I’ve heard. RUclips’s algorithm sees Vtubers as cartoons/animation, so it recommends them to kids/young teens even when it isn’t appropriate. I love Kenji but you only need to take one look at his comment section to see what kinds of people are there.
I’m not finna lie when I was 11 I shipped two real people in my class and I wrote stuff down now I’m 15 I found the thing I wrote and I was visibly uncomfortable like I was a creep 😂 but sometimes it isn’t the parents sometimes it’s just childhood
I don't disagree, there definitely are minors engaging in shipping to this extreme. Just don't underestimate the immaturity of some fully grown adults. You'd be surprised.. 🤭
TakaMori was fanservice, not like something bigger, but they got tired of it route. That's natural. Most 'characters'-vtubers abandon their characters through time.
Now they are more open to their audience and themself, they don't need this kind fancervice.
They got tired of it, but management saw fans loved it so they told them to keep it up, but that could only last for so long, everywhere they went, talked to anyone some fan would bring it up and would even claim that others where trying to break up the takamori ship, untill finally both just told their fans to stop the ship, it's funny and quirky but got old.
@@Gidi66 all ships are broken except OkaKoro.
I think they are still super sweet now literally only using their nicknames for each other sometimes (no more kusotori now it's just Wawa and Calli is Cawi). Like yes it was fanservice style before but them being super close to each other is still true even now (I mean look at the last clip of them in the video where they are just being cute dorks poking each other when they got to see each other in Japan again)
Kiara qas forcing it too much it got me annoyed real quick at the beginning
As it turns out, many people still are not aware that making people uncomfortable is making people uncomfortable.
And yes, I do enjoy BaeRyS and KronFauMei content. As long as it is fun for everyone.
The Voxto one angers me because i remember while watching an Ike and Vox Collab in Ike's channel a freaking Voxto Shipper Troll just SUPACHAT IKE say along the lines "vox sounds awkward and bored next to ike" and after that they keep hating Ike and Vox about why is Vox hanging out with Ike instead of Shoto 😰😰
Bro that’s fucking nasty, and showing a blatant disregard for the number one vtuber chat rule of “don’t mention other streamers unless I bring them up”
People like this make me feel ashamed to be in this community sometimes. I too enjoy voxto, but Jesus Christ calm down mfs, were talking about real people here. If you're so dead set on vox and shoto being together keep that to yourself and in the dedicated ship tags you weirdo's
that is disgusting. these people are so stupid, it was probably because of them we don't get our sus content from voxto anymore, and I loved that shit, but people always have to ruin good things by being weird.
That’s so noxious and gross
THIS MAN IS EATING! NOT A LIE SPOKEN
REAL!!
I like Mouse's comment on the "Vtuber dating" thing. Honestly, Mouse has a LOT of great little summaries about how this shit works, as expected from someone who basically dedicates every waking moment to this even when she's not on some crazy 17+ day endurance stream.
"Ironmouse will never date anyone. Do you understand me? IRONMOUSE will never date anyone. If /I/ find someone, you will NEVER know."
That's Ironmouse, the most parasocial Vtuber out there. One who is pretty damn open about just about everything in their life letting you know that, yeah, you're "famoly" yeah, she spent 7 days hanging out and chatting with you. She STILL ain't her character. A line exists, and that line is her romantic relationships.
Just discovered this channel a few days ago. Im really enjoying your takes on some of these sensitive topics in the vtubing community. Looking forward to more.
I cannot tell you just how much I needed this!
Shipping, even about official couples, can become uncomfortable for them.
So the golden rules in shipping are:
Don't go too far, and keep your fantasies to yourself or within the niche community, NOT in front of the persons themselves, don't use their official tags or in their channel.
Lmao I remember at the very beginning of me getting into vtubers I thought takamori was cute and I thought the idea of a phoenix/reaper ship was really... Idk, poetic? But I thought it was obvious when the two were playing up their characters VS them being themselves. Fool that I was, I assumed the majority of other fans were the same. Nnnnope.
Shipping real people passes a line to me, goes from Fiction to rumor. Want to make a story about Captain Jack Sparrow going to the grocery store. Fine. Want to make a story of Johnny Depp going to the grocery store. No, that passes a line for me. Always has. Always will.
Each of these moments are so fresh in my head. It’s like the “Where where you during 9/11” of vtuber drama
When I was in high school my literal classmates tried to ship me with my friend. Every time we were together there were weird comments. Tbh all it did was make it uncomfortable for us to be friends anymore and we stopped talking. It's weird as all hell. Who other real ass people are dating has no effect on my life and I refuse to spend my time fantasizing over it, its just odd.
I'm happy ironmouse and cdawg didn't let it ruin their friendship.
same here. I think true friendship.
Your edits with images in the bg are immaculate. Whatever anime that's from when you're describing the origin of the word shipping is so accurate it hurts, and I say this as someone who enjoys ship content (feels weird/wrong to call myself a "shipper" when I'm generally flexible about pairings)
Edit: I will say that for Ironmouse and Cdawg, though, that I hope to God whatever partner they end up having is super secure bc from what we see of their relationship the two really do have a deep emotional connection that can often lead to/be part of/be mistaken for a romantic connection. Regardless of whether they actually are that way, the important thing is that the people involved don't want others to take it that way. Makes me feel like an old auntie when I see people with a connection like that because 50% of me is like "yes, I see where people are coming from, damn I wish I had that" and 50% of me is like "no, gotta respect their boundaries."
dude i love your style of commentary, i for once dont get bored or end up skipping parts of the video because of how you're so straight forward! tysm for making this amazing content, keep up the great work!
another thing i wanna mention is that when vtubers say that they’re uncomfortable with shipping in some aspect they get attacked for some weird fucking reason. example: mysta said that shipping him with others made me feel weird since he’s gotten to know this people and has had deep conversation. although he wasn’t against him being shipped and was still fine with it. seems reasonable to most people! but not to the delusional shippers getting mad at me saying “how dare you be uncomfortable” and saying how he used to be okay with it and he has no right to now be upset. when he.. literally didn’t even say that he didn’t want to be shipped anymore. and then kyo asking if you could put shipping content out of his art tags (i believe) and people attacked him for that as if their ship got directly attacked... fans are so weird
I suppose I ship Mousey and Connor because I really want them to get together, but I keep it to myself and I don't like force it on anyone. It's really a shame what shipping can do
i honestly feel like the ONLY way shipping vtubers together could be okay is if its just the avatars/characters being shipped and.... not... the people behind them??? maybe im just crazy for being able to separate the two but thats just me LMFAO its ridiculous for people to go into a vtubers chat demanding information about their ships like..... please just watch an anime or something im begging you.
great video again as always ^_^ its hard enough finding other black people online, let alone black creators interested in vtubers so im very happy to have stumbled across ur channel!
I think the way people push the vtuber shipping is interesting as there is a layer of self-awareness feeding the community a bit such as Hakos Baelz and IRyS. Takamori was the most toxic shipping war out there and as someone who does have shipping pairs in a purely fantanical way, it was quite sad how people tried to force Takamori. Fanservice is always a part of these idol idustries and sometimes they play into it, but this doesn't excuse this as fact even if they heavily imply it.
IMO It's okay to ship as long as you understand the distinction between the person and the character and not let it shade your views on the actual person
5:55 BIG facts, I've always found it so weird when people unironically use "fleshtuber" like do yall think vtubing is on another plain of reality or something?? They're all the same thing: content creators😭 vtubing is just a medium (and a lot of vtuber fans would like to say "vtubers should get the same recognition as other content creators!" But then segregate the two media by using terms like fleshtuber and normie😭)
7:52 LMFAO when i saw this given that it was just recent and is a hilarious rollercoaster of a stream
This is a really good video talking and probably exposing the people who do make shipping weird
Lemme share my not needed two cents about Ironmouse and Connor-
I don't ship them personally they honestly just seem like two best friends that treat each other like siblings. I learned from the goddamn undertale and voltron fandom that I should not touch shipping and I feel like other people should also take from their weird past in other fandoms and not ship Vtubers despite the mindset most people have of them being characters just weird to me.
(But hey, if you want to ship them, go ahead- I'm just a stranger on the internet :>)
This is why I always check clips of vtubers that I want to ship where they say their boundaries. For example, in Nijien, I ship Sonny and Alban. I check both their clips. They are okay with this ship. And I continue. I they said "we don't like it" I wouldn't do it. Is that such a complicated concept to some people?
Dude you're so underrated, all of your videos are bangers! You deserve way more subs!!!
Can we just talk about how AMAZING this editing is? and I even have to mention this dude's voice is great! Im never bored watching these, love you Taledo.
IT IS SOOOO WEIRD, i feel so bad for creators bc it must get so exhausting n at some point push them away from collabing w certain creators, i wish ppl were more self-aware it gets scary
Basically, if they consent to it, great! Draw your fanart, write your fics, but be chill. If they don’t consent to it, don’t even fucking think about it.
Another banger, really glad you’re getting more attention!
Honestly, for the longest time I didn't realise people took the shipping so seriously. Like, I'd watch a stream of two vtubers and be like "haha that's pretty cute and funny" and like fanart.... then i saw the people bringing it outside of that (like mentioning it in irrelevant streams) and thought i was going insane.
I remember this one instance Uki Violeta was collabing with someone new and, since he is the flirty type of streamer, they were flirting and it was funny. Then chat had to bring up other livers (and saying Uki had a Harem 😭) IN THE OTHER PERSON'S CHAT TO MAKE SURE HE SAW IT! LIKE THATS WEIRD!
idk man, ive always found shipping real people, even when they have avatars, weirdge. When I was younger I made alot of art videos and made a collab piece with a friend AND PEOPLE SHIPPED US! WE WEREN'T CLOSE LIKE THAT AND WE WERE KIDS! I've also been shipped with irls by irls and like, even when it was legit with the girl i used to like and was fine with joke flirting with, i didn't like being shipped! tho that was mainly because that one friend just kept insisting we had to date and that it would be cute
I totally agree with you 😭 why do people have the guts to shipp?? It gets out of hand 😭😭
it is literally just "fucking behave". that's the only rule. the infamous example everyone brings up is septicplier but most people dont remember that they actually thought it was funny at first and leaned into it a bit. once it became clear that people had no clue how to behave themselves and started causing problems for them and their friends/coworkers was when shit hit the fan. it is literally just people misbehaving.
weren't people also going after their literal spouses/partners too
What a great video so far…*gets hit with memories of 1:15 *…no…no…NOT THE MEMORIES LEAVE ME ALONE!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH
YES SIR TALEDOOOO
I’ve been in this community for nearly 3 years now, and I found the shipping stuff kinda weird from the very beginning. Hololive was the main thing I watched for a while and I never got onboard with the Takamori craze. In general I was never big on shipping even fictional characters, there’s only ever been a single fictional parring I’ve been invested in
This topic really reminds me of the weird shipping people do with kpop idols. They are real people too
The voxto still fresh in my brain bc I was there when they started mentioning shoto in vox Collab with Ike... It was so frustrating. it's so weird too bc before Shoto and vox hang out, ppl ship Vox with Ike lolol and I think the same people were the ones harassing Reimu too
15 shots. 16 shots if you include the one in the description. and 21 shots if you include everytime another vtuber said 'weird'. i'm not drunk🙃🙃
THE 8:58 CAT BREAK, YOU ABSOLUTE MONSTER
the funny little in-between space vtubers have as streamers is weird to me. like, anime character with an actor assigned to everyone...so no ship? i was literally raised on rule "don't ship real people! y'all were there for ____ & ____ drama" or whatever, so its insane to me that some people (adults even!) never got taught that rule of fandom. heck, old fandom rules get broken on the regular in vtuber spaces!
i think its extremly weird to ship real people thats why i always found shipping within the vtuber community kinda weird. as a joke im cool with it like the way uki and fulgur handle it or how it started with mysta and mika before people started getting weird but otherwise its just weird for me.
but im not even saying people should stop doing it just tone it down a bit and STOP BEING WEIRD.
Pretty solid video overall about some of the most popular ships. Most ships are somewhat played into by the vtubers but there will always be fans that take things far and start to make it the problem of the vtubers themselves or others. I think there is a healthy way of just making cute fanart or clips and such but actually bothering the vtubers themselves or other people they collab with is definitely out of line. I am pretty sure all the ships mentioned in the video have addressed it at some point at some level so that fans can tone down. Even if it sometimes gets ignored I'm glad that hololive girls have it as a standard rule in their chats that chat shouldn't mention other streamers/vtubers if they aren't brought up by the streamer themselves. I think most vtubers have that chat rule and it helps. I'm glad that none of them are like fake friends or anything though like it does seem like they are all still very close even if they have had to talk to fans about some boundaries/rules (some people just need to be told clearly)
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Shipping can get weird, and sometimes ugly. As a long time Fanfic reader and RPer... it has its dark side.
On the surface level, it isn't bad. It is usually fans enjoying an established pairing in a media (comics, books, cartoons/animes, tvshows, etc;). A lot of media has and will keep playing at the "will they/won't they?" Trope. The love triangle, who will win the love of the main character. And just a light enjoyment in the "What if?" Pairing of characters that aren't together, but some daydreamer would like to see.
The difference between that and what is discussed in this video is what Taledo nails on the head. These are real people. They might play at being characters a bit. But they still are sharing a lot of themselves from behind these Avatars. Not counting that they are active with their fan bases' art, clips, topic videos, and in some cases fanfics. It can get... distributive. These shippers can get vocal and even angry if their ship isn't recognized.
One of the many reasons I stopped Role-playing established characters. Why, beyond a close friendship, I wouldn't write a romance that isn't cannon in fanfics.
Hell, I want to write fanfics based on Hololive, but will never go beyond a close friendship/family vibes they share. No romance between the characters... because the characters I am writing are real people. The characters I write are based not only on their lore, but things they share with their fans. And that can get weird as has already been established by this video.
Great video Taledo
THANK YOU
Warching the vox & shoto or the mouse n connor thing happen in real time was so crazy. I'll never understand how people actually do that stuff. I thought it was a bit but these mfs were SERIOUS.
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Back in my day, people were shipping people way before V tubers and even before anime was popular.
Hell, you could even say historically arranged marriages are shipping based on wealth.
another banger video!
seeing this in my feed and I'm wondering about a different hypothetical about vtubers in actual romantic relationships with each other and then playing into that
My ship is Vesper Noir and Nina Kosaka. Two old souls that found each other and had to keep their romance a secret.
I guess now they can finally have their honeymoon.....
im curious how you feel about vtuber fanfiction. generally (but ofc there are still weirdos) people are writing about the characters themselves and not the actual people.. unless someone has explicitly said they dont want fanfiction of them either, how do yall feel about this?
personally I think it's okay even if the writing is somewhat personal (like the author mentions mannerisms of how the person behind the vtuber talks, things they've brought up that make them more relatable, etc.) because that's how you characterize and make it convincing. An example is temporary alpha (I think it's one of the most popular vtuber ship fics???) cuz it's a voxto fic that's got a ton of detail. Pretty sure shoto even recognized the author and thanked them for writing something the fans love so much...still, the fic's omega-verse and real explicit. The writer tweeted for people not to spam about it when Shoto was reading fanfictions one day, and he/she generally seems to not be on social media a lot or "push" the ship outside of ao3 (and if the author tweets they censor names so they don't appear under vox's or shoto's tags). idk as long as you keep the shipping to yourself or limit it to a site like ao3 I think it's not harmful.
i can’t say much since i only read a few vtuber fanfics but i like it more when it leans into the vtubers’ persona and lore because i’m curious to see how people make use of established concepts and incorporate that into their world building. an example i can think on top of my head was when i read the very first oceanlaw fic (appropriately titled, ocean law). i was enamored by the vivid language of the author and how they made use of finana being a mermaid and selen being a lunar dragon. of course, there were hints of inside jokes here and there but it wasn’t anything too personal. it stays into the realm of vtubers than the people behind them. you can tell that it’s fiction - a well-written one but not enough to somehow sell me the idea that they’re dating irl. so personally, as long as they focus more on the persona than the person behind it, the vtuber isn’t against/uncomfortable with fanfictions and the shippers don’t force it upon others or the vtubers themselves…. i have no problems with it. fanfiction itself isn’t inherently bad, it just depends on the author and the people reading it.
Great vid! I really enjoy the editing in this video!
Also, love the Nichijou OST. Good taste!
I always take ships as jokes but I always forget some people are quite serious about it.
This reminds me of a coworker I briefly had at my first job. Big, open shipper of Septiplier (Jacksepticeye/Markiplier), had an instagram almost entirely dedicated to drawing horny art of the two (other art too, but enough to contend for the majority), and spent a good amount of time during our shifts trying to convince me they could actually be a thing- I believe this was around the time Mark started dating Amy. I wasn't aware of the bigger issue surrounding fans like that at the time until much later tbh.
Their biggest piece of 'evidence' being that Jack once alluded to possibly being bi in a video once(? it's been a minute)- which I did not and have no interest in confirming. I'd never met someone like that in person before. It's been some years, hope they found a healthier outlet since then
Shipping real people together is completely weird, but I also find it weird that these vtubers throw suggestive comments back and forth at eachother or just straight up FLIRT. That is what encourages these people to go absolutely crazy about these ‘ships’. I’m definitely not blaming these vtubers for the weird shippers that exist in their audience, but just saying y’know
I think shipping is nice unless it oversteps their boundaries. Just ship them in your mind, ship them if they're obviously showing that they want to be shipped or if they're having a really romantic moment for some reason.
As I like to say, ship the character not the performer(/talent in this case)
I didn't realize this was a thing until I saw it in Ironmouse's chat
Aye! I subbed a few days ago and your sub count has almost doubled- congrats dude! Your editing is slick and entertaining
Honestly, shipping in general is just getting terribly out of hand. People violent to others just for shipping something different than what they like. And those are just fictional characters.
I can't even fathom how horrible and scary it must feel when these gross shipping wars happen with characters who are actual living people.
Gonna always hope Conner and mouse stay friends forever or eventually get together. Been watching Cdawg for a long time and will watch twitch when I can. But I never get man when he's with other women but I do genuinely ship him and mouse as I think they would be good for each other. I don't go onto their channels and most forums, unless the thing is talking about the ship, to pro ship them or tell people "it's the only ship"
I think a big issue with most shippers is that they are so invested in their ship or headcannon that they ignore reality and the feelings of others(such as the person or writer) You can see this most present in the MHA fandom, with Baku and deku. Where they legitimately want to murder the mangaka because of the cannon.
You know, this is like when people ship marvel characters and people start shipping the actors too. In that case I think it's better prevent the shipping to get to them. I've seen fics with "don't show this to the actors or anyone involved in these films", for example
As a Multishipper (I only ship dito o nak characters) as for vtubers no..becuz I know they’re people IrL and deep down it’s best to let other fans be (and La respect and don’t pressure your headcannon as reality folks)
Exactly, there is limit and a line you shouldn't cross, and if it's getting to the point you are harassing people about a ship and stuff, bruh you beyond back flipped over that mofo a long time ago, seriously people chili out and respect other people's boundaries.
Same reason why some people who hate shipping, hate romance anime, because they want to watch an anime without having couples throwing up their face.
your videos are so funny I'll keep watching them XD
I actually remember Rainhoe mention it on X that a lot of clippers have painted her as Connor's gf, to a point that made Connor uncomfortable, and you know, the IronDawg people also involved Mousey into it too. It was really disappointing to see these people do this shit
My rule of thumb: You can have your ship, but please keep it to yourself and just yourself
Seeing shipping sometimes ruin friendships just sends it home that pairing up irl people and obsessing over these sorts of fantasies nonstop makes a real impact. It's fantasizing and objectifying REAL people
The difference between vtubing and anime is that anime, the creator decides which ship wins or there's no ship at all and the vtubers are their own creators and they almost always don't want to do anything "like that" with each other.
I appreciate the unscripted deez nuts joke. That’s right where my brain went too 😆
Bro you’re so fucking funny 😭😭
Second time watching after finding your channel I might as well subscribe
i watched the video i swear, but i could only focus on the De kieru drum track
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I thought the internet learned this w/ the dsmp. The character on screen is not the person behind it.
I guess some lessons are permenantly ongoing.
I still see random 'Voxto' comments in chat every now and again, despite chat rules being super clear and multiple direct requests from Vox not to engage in that way.
Some viewers simply refuse to respect boundaries.
I personally feel kinda uncomfortable with the ironmouse and cdawg ship because I feel like they play into it WAY too much. Like yeah I get that providing fanservice brings home the bacon, but lets be honest, If you're gonna do that then don't start complaining when people take you seriously.
The way I see, it's like if customers at your job starts shipping you with your coworker. It's hella awkward and you're put in a position to laugh it off (or play into it if your coworker is chill like that). "How could this be weird?" nobody asked. I replied, "Well I'll tell you!"
Imagine if you're working one day and your coworker isn't there. It would be really fucking weird if a customer ran up to you at the job to let you know that they saw your coworker talking with someone else at the park (or wherever). Just because they ship you two together. 😑 This is why I don't participate in shipping culture.
My opinion on shippers and especially reallife shippers that are obsessed with this stuff and see "confirmation" freaking everywhere: Cut their internet.
Me personally, i wouldnt let that slide
People somehow forgot that these are real people behind these attractive models. These aren’t just voice acted characters.
Literally if I was a vtuber and people pulled that bs on me, then get mad when I complain, I’ll tell them “too fuckin bad, don’t like how I’m a real person not wanting to be a slave to your intense shipping fantasies, then stay away from me.”
Idk hardcore shipping is kind of a childish thing. Not saying adults can’t ship (that’s how we get amazing fanfictions and doujinshis) but there is definitely a line that I feel those with a childish mind usually end up crossing.
Ay yo, I wanna see a VTuber with a John Carpenter's Thing model now.
Real "Flesh-tuber."
all i’ve retained from this video is that taledo knows hetalia exists. and is willing to acknowledge its existence........ i’m frightened. in saying that if you need any help doing hetalia content in the future hit me up lmao
They're crazy, period.
another banger video lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOO