What History Never Told You About Pearl Harbor
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Here are 5 things you likely never knew about the infamous attack on Pearl Harbor. This was made using the World War II flight simulator War Thunder. Hope you enjoy! Please like, comment, and subscribe. #PearlHarbor #WWIIHistory #WarThunder
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lol You take great pains not to stoke the fires of the conspiracy theory that the aircraft carriers were intentionally away
the incident with Cornelia was depicted in the film "Tora, Tora, Tora".....
as a flight engineer on a MC-130 , flying into Hickam in 94 or 95 , at 8:00 am on Dec 7, we got to see the same view the Japanese saw , we came in over the mountains on the same route, very same day and time. Was very eerie and unforgettable.
And President Roosevelt's personal cruiser USS Indianapolis.
Where you able to shoot down any Zeros?
You Sir - are the son of a Hero
It would be surreal to be transported back to 1941 and get pounced on by the Zeros.
I was a C-5 Mechanic stationed at Hickam AFB. From Sept. 92-Feb 98. I was able to hike in the mountains where the Japanese fighters came through the valley it was Erie just thinking they flew right through there and destroy take a mirror Field I was for men and navy Pearl Harbor Harbor.
The movie Tora! Tora! Tora! has a scene that is based on Cornelia’s story.
Yeap. But faces of those Japaneese pilots in Kate is really strange :) I belive that they easily could tell the True story.
Great vid, both this piece and Tora Tora
Best of all
His narrative about Cornelia isn't 100%, she wasn't training pilots when she was killed, she was ferrying a newly manufactured plane from California to wherever it was going to and had a couple of newly minted pilots right out of training flying along with her ferrying 2 other planes, I believe they were going to the same place the planes were and their flight school they'd just graduated from was nearby where the planes were produced, the military was doing things like that as a way of cutting down on the need for ferrying pilots.
Somewhere over Texas the one young flight officer was trying to fly in a tighter formation than his experience allowed and he bumped into her causing her to crash.
She was young to, she was only like 23 or something and very pretty.
same with the b 17s
@@dukecraig2402 Cornelia Fort was an amazing human being. It's so tragic that she died in the way she did. That inexperienced pilot should have kept his distance.
@@robertsandberg2246
Yea.
Here's a shocker for you, ⅓rd of all the losses suffered by the 8th Air Force in WW2 were accidents, which includes mechanical failures not just someone screwing up flying.
It's ironic that just a little while back when I was talking to my mother about her cousin that was killed in the war that was a navigator on a B24 and was shot down I was telling her about how ⅓rd of the guys died from accidents and about how one way or the other flying those planes was a dangerous business, the very next day that accident happened in Dallas.
Thanks for sharing. This post hits close to home for me. On Dec 7, 1941 my Dad was aboard USS Raleigh CL-7 on the NW side of Ford Island. During the attack Raleigh was hit by an aerial torpedo in the opening minutes of the battle, then by an armor piercing bomb about one hour later. Fortunately, the crew was able to repair damages. Following repairs, Raleigh went on to serve in the Pacific for the duration of WWII.
Thank-you to your dad for his service.
On 7th December 1941 my dad was on board USS Westpoint troop transport in Capetown taking British troops to Basra
All must realize the blood from the attack on Pearl Harbor was - is and always will be on FDR so he'd gain an excuse to enter the War in Europe on behalf of his Globalist partner Winston Churchill....for the Japanese Military Code had been broken months prior...!
NOTHING taught is the whole truth in U.S. Education for that has been ommitted well over 100yrs ago esp as since the 1920's:
- realize JOHN DEWEY [father of Modern American education] was the author of the then implemented Soviet Ed. system who went there to see it in operation in the 1920's [yes met with Stalin]...!
THEN he exclaimed it "the superior system" & "to be implemented in the USA"
Also understand Dewey was a card carrying Communist as were a great many of FDR's cabinet and advisors...!
This is seriously no joke for WE have been totally lied to for over a 100yrs esp by massive ommissions YET Americans very sadly remain the "sleeping giant" and time IS running out for America is about to be forced into the WEF's "Great ReSet" to buy & sell by number but only by those taking "THE MARK".....just as prophecied to us by Christ as seen in His "REVELATION" to John on Patmos...!
THANK YOU TO ALL AMERICA'S ARMED FORCES LOST THAT FATEFUL DAY AT PEARL AS WELL AS D-DAY AS AN INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL NATION TRULY, DULY OWES YOU ALL A DEBT OF GRATITUDE THAT WE WILL NEVER EVER, TRULY BE ABLE TO REPAY! WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SERVICES AND ULTIMATE SACRIFICES LAID UPON THE ALTER OF LIFE FOR YOUR COUNTRY.... ✌️❤️🗽🇺🇲🙏
@@paulinecabbed1271 I thank you that's an interesting contribution showing that we were already helping what would become the Allies force against the Nazis.
The most interesting and little known fact of Pearl Harbor is that the first hostile act was made by the US when the USS Ward fired on and sank a midget submarine just a few miles outside the harbor entrance. It should be noted that this Japanese combat vessel was a fair target as it was operating in US territorial waters without any notice or permission required for safe transit, thus the Ward had the legal authority to engage the vessel without further warning or provocation.
and unlike civilian aircraft the Submarine was armed with a mission….
You contradict yourself. Entering into territorial waters of an opposing state without permission would be a hostile act. At least as far as I'm concerned.
@@jonyemm You are wrong. The Japanese had NOT yet declared war against The United States. So Mr. Bremer is correct.
@@MarcPiery when did I say anything about them declaring war on the US? I said opposing. We weren't allies nor were both countries even neutral. So I am not wrong. They took an armed submarine into the territorial waters of an OPPOSING state. They were not innocently passing through.
Words have meanings/definitions and they matter.
@@jonyemm The U.S. Naval ships would have had the same authority if it were a Japanese fishing vessel. And at the time of the incident, the submarine’s origin had not been identified, so it was not known if it were from an “opposing nation.” It was an unidentified submarine that did not respond to queries or commands.
And yes, words have meanings and definitions. And yes, they do matter. So be careful about what you write. Unless you are purposefully trolling someone, or some subject.
The Japanese had intent. True. BUT! The American destroyer had no idea who the submarine belonged to, so it logically did NOT know that it was firing on an opposing nation. The destroyer crew just carried out its duty to keep the territorial waters safe and the harbor mouth clear for normal traffic.
Thank you for this! My grandfather was a chief warrant officer on USS Helena. He was blown back into a compartment by a torpedo hit. He got up and got electric service restored so the guns would work. I have the original of his after action reports…. He served in both WW 1 and 2..mostly battle ships.
I.met a guy from Belgium. His town was over run by Germany early in WW1 he joined the French infantry and spent the war in the trenches lost his entire family . When WW2 broke out his town was bombed and his wife and kids were killed . He made it to the coast and signed on to a shop . 7 ship he was on were sunk . The last ship was a us navy ship and he stayed on after the war. Finally moving to the merchant fleet untill he was too loud to sail . Bave men for sure
Thank you for sharing especially about a man who is part of the greatest generation.
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@@erichvonmanstein6876 ???? May I ask why your comment and what it means? I've been fortunate to meet multiple medal of Honor winners. One of them lied to get into the Navy was stationed on the Arizona but for him he was fortunate he is on shore leave. And he finished the warmth of the Pacific at the end he was serving on a tinder ship for the USS Missouri at the time they signed the surrender. I think is in San Francisco 1952 when the official treaty was signed. Another man he from WWII as well and it's been a number of years ago but he was commissioned by three maybe four presidents to speak to elementary students about Pearl harbor and world War II. Commission meaning he was paid by the government to do this. His story is quite motivational. I know right down the line. But let's just finish up with a buddy of mine he came back in so that his latest child who was yet-to-be-born could have a better life. I was just there today that his widow receive that folded flag and condolences. He never met his boy. He never knew he was having a boy. Just a child he did not no male or female. So I have the greatest respect especially for the greatest generation so we're not speaking Russian German or Japanese as an official language. You say the Russians were on our side. No just the enemy of my enemy is my Ally. Just like bin laden was our Ally when he was in Afghanistan fighting against the Russians when they were pushed out. I've straightener flags for young Marine. Yes he was in the crew of the last ones to be killed in Afghanistan. Someone honked their horn and said thank you. My immediate reply without thought was don't thank me thank the young man. All I am doing is honoring him. But thank you for the thought. So when I see the emoji rolling its eyes because I complimented someone whose father or grandfather was part of the greatest generation. I simply think of what my friend said. He was reflecting upon the flag burners and people of that persuasion. We're fighting for them to have the right to do it. I said his daughter right it's a privilege and ill gotten privilege. He smiled and nodded his head. I rank the rolling 👁️ right in there with the flag burners. Because it is in response to me complementing and thanking the survivors of the greatest generation. Hey if the greatest generation did not come home then a lot of us would not be here. I'm so thankful President Truman did the right thing and drop those two bombs. It was the most honorable decision he could have made.
@@walterdavis4808 thank you for sharing that fantastic story. You need to share that with somebody to make a film of this man's life!!! Anyone other things you mentioned would be horrible to go through but you put them all together just no words to describe.
story from my father, a Pennsy USMC gunner during the attack: he said it was amazing that all the BBs didn't meet the Arizona's end. the navy had a habit inport of Condition Easy--where all hatches and doors were open for Easy access to any compartment. ie: "Broadway", the series of WTDs from the bow to the stern on the 2nd deck were all open, meaning that a well-placed bomb anywhere could (and did) devastate areas for the full length of the vessel. we were far luckier than we knew.
Go Angry Sister.
Dad was there. US Navy. Fought in all the major battles in the Pacific.
He told me of the aftermath: open caskets were on the piers. Officers with clipboards had a list of boxes to tick. Head, check; two arms, check... body parts checklist. When all the boxes were ticked, casket closed and replaced by another. It didn’t matter if tatters of Navy, Army or Marine clothing were mixed. Or had nothing. Some family stateside would have closure.
He rarely talked about his combat experiences.
@@PSDuck216 My Uncle launched PBYs and, well, Ducks from a pre-war seaplane tender. Got 'lucky' in all the major battles; until Okinawa, when their sister ship detonated from a kamikaze. If you had someone who was 'there'(and you could get them to talk), WW2 lost any romanticism at an early age.
Posting on December 7th ,✝️❤️✝️ rest in peace Brave sailors soldiers Marines and airmen ‼️🙏
Not all of the BB's were in that status on the morning of December 7th. USS Oklahoma was prepared for inspection with all hatches undogged including those between the lowest deck and the watertight 'tank top' spaces beneath, which is indeed why it capsized so quickly. The other BB's were in varying states of watertight as well as munition integrity and accessibility. USS Pennsylvania, purely by its unique circumstance, was perhaps the best prepared in respect of its vulnerability as its ammunition had all been removed in keeping with standard drydocking procedure. Luck most certainly played a significant part, however the Japanese plan was itself fundamentally flawed in many respects. Mark E Stille authored an excellent forensic analysis of the attack's deficiencies in his book 'Tora, Tora, Tora' from the Osprey 'Raid' collection, this is most definitely worth reading.
Hey guys! Historical notes - The planes used in the civilian plan recreations or not exactly accurate. They were piper cubs, but I do not have access to those in my flight sim so I did my best. Also, big thanks to Hornet for helping create a couple of the clips used in this video. Check out his cinematic channel here: www.youtube.com/@cinematic-creator
It was an honor to help
Thanks for clarifying. Having flown a Super Cub on floats, that drives that previously unknown story deeper home for me.
Great job
Cornelia Fort’s plane was not destroyed on Dec 7. It is currently in Burlington Washington. It’s an Interstate Cadet. Same general shape as a Cub.
@@jaesbow Cool! I live in western Washington, and know Burlington fairly well. I'll have to see if I can find it sometime.
The first aircraft launched to attempt to find the Japanese fleet were from Hickam Field. I believe A-20s followed by two B-17Ds piloted by Capt Brooke Allen and Maj Laverne G (Blondie) Saunders, Commander of the 23rd BS. My father S/Sgt Harvey F. Schlotte was the radio operator in Saunder’s a/c. The B-17s had been strafed on the ground before takeoff and were leaking fuel as they didn’t have self sealing fuel tanks like the later models. They did not locate the Japanese Fleet. This is why My father survived that day and I was born in 1951.
Cornelia Fort is shown (although not by name) in the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora", so not entirely forgotten. The B-17 squadron is also shown, but no casualties are mentioned in the film. It also mentions Nagumo's decision being largely due to the unknown location of the American carriers.
Go on Cornelia. You can see why she had the hump after being strafed.
Plus the female pilot, but not the other two prior to the attack. Still the best movie imo.
One of many items that "History" ...( like that is a person or a God,) forgot, and yet so many of us already knew.
@@donofon101 A "person of god"? What exactly does that even mean?
@@fredflintstone3956 A typo Person OR GOD oooops
Interesting. To clarify, Enterprise was not out on maneuvers. It was retuning from delivering aircraft to Wake Island. Was 200 miles away from Oahu.
We can't forget about Doris Miller's story too. Sadly this Hero died a little over a year later when his Carrier was torpedoed during the battle for the Gilbert islands.
We won't. CVN 81 will be named for him. A decision I was initially against because of Miller's lack of naval aviation pedigree. However, I have reconsidered due to the fact that the attack being repelled was an air attack by carrier forces. His bravery and dedication were never in question.
Meanwhile the people who died at their posts are lost we prop up this guy while people jumping on AA guns happened all the time.
@@michaelmappin4425 It's so fortunate that you reconsidered Grand Admiral Coffee Table, you being the person with the authority to give consent to this proposal. I'm sure Miller's family will be forever indebted to your great magnanimity and generosity of spirit lol
@Harry Ricochet Right on! About time y'all respect my authority. I was runner up for the Trump Administration for SECNAV. He just didn't know.
@@michaelmappin4425 Lol I think some kid named Eric Cartman once said the same thing (about authoritah that is, not the Trump thing lol)
My husband was stationed in HI for 5 years . We went to the Memorial several times as relatives and friends came to visit. This information was not included in either the pre-memorial movie or the narrator’s presentation upon arrival at the memorial itself. Sad that it wasn’t included. These are amazing facts that should have been included!thank you to all who pitched in to research and provide this forgotten piece of history!
14:48 The helmets on the American sailors are the anachronistic M1 helmet, which debuted in 1942. The American sailors should be wearing the historically-accurate M1917 Brodie helmet, which is the same as the British model.
Unfortunately Gaijin is too lazy (or maybe just a hassle) to model correct period sailor uniform for every ship model ingame, hence you could find Type 90 helmet worn by post-war Japanese sailor and Stahlhelm worn by post-war German navies
EDIT: in the next update, Gaijin is going to give post-war vessels correct crew uniform, but I don't think Interwar and early war era ships going to get the same treatment
yeah...war sims tend to be about the war, not the first day of the war.
it'd be nice to have a B-17D or two as well, but your average gamer wouldn't know it from a pterodactyl.
we do see a P-36 and a B-18 as NPCs, strictly there to get blown up (a few P-36s managed to get in the fight and even kill a few attackers).
As a post note I’ve always enjoyed the story of Mitsuo Fuchida, leader of the aerial assault on Pearl Harbor, and his lifelong postwar friendship with Jacob DeShazer, bombardier of B-25 no.16 of the Doolittle Raiders.
Fuchida was also at Midway...but only as a spectator....
@@frankpienkosky5688 Why a spectator?
@@brianjob3018 He was diagnosed with and had emergency surgery for appendicitis in the days directly before the Japanese commenced their attack. Lt Joichi Tomanaga his replacement, was killed in the battle. Fuchida was on the bridge of Akagi when it was sunk, breaking both ankles when he was fell from a rope that was being used to escape from there as the ship sank. He converted to Christianity after the war becoming an ordained Baptist Minister.
@@harryricochet8134 l thank you.
@@brianjob3018 Always welcome my friend. After some 40 years, the late Gordon W Prange's 'At Dawn We Slept' is still universally peer-recognised as the empirical masterpiece in telling the entire story of the planning, execution and outcome of the attack, it's definitely worth reading and keeping as a go-to reference source. Stay safe and blessed there always.
Great video. The only thing that is wrong is that the battleships on Battleship Row weren't "quickly repaired and back in service in a couple months". Arizona and Oklahoma were total losses. The remaining battleships (outside of the Pennsylvania that was drydock) had to be refloated and towed to Washington state to be totally rebuilt. Most didn't return to service until 1944.
You hit it out of the park with this one TJ. I learned some things I didn't know with this one. When you started to talk about before the attack began I was sure you were going to tell us about the U.S.S. Ward killing the mini sub. It's sad that her crew members weren't believed until they finally found the sub with a hole in its bridge many people thought they just shot at a whale. But, the hole was exactly where they said they hit it. Good work you did a great job researching this one. You keep raising the bar buddy. Can't wait till next Friday. Have a great weekend buddy.
It's very cool to know that I helped by being an actor. Love it T3
Thanks!
Very informative video TJ. I defiantly learned something on this one. Thanks for posting and all you hard work.
These stories are incredible, thanks for your channel's great content and quality!
1. Enterprise was returning to PH from delivering a fighter squadron to Wake Island. Any training done was incidental to that mission. 2. Carriers typically flew off their planes before entering port, so the planes could land on airbases and be available for training or maintenance or whatever. Enterprise had flown off its dive bombers (VS-6 and four planes from VB-6) for this purpose. Any training enroute was incidental.
I always been curious as to why the TBD Devastor didn't fly as well with the SBD.
@@johnwayne6501 I think it's probably because of the fact that the sbds were used as scouts before they left for the base
What branch of the military did you serve in , and for how many years and what was your rank the time of discharge❓❓❓ Where U there ❓❓❓ we think not ‼️ I'm a former Lancer combat co pilot, that served on board a AH 1 cobra attack helicopters, the pilot's job was to get me there, my job was to destroy the target 🎯 if you've never flown a combat mission keep your opinion to yourself pal , and for you to make a sick Friggin joke like that ‼️ calling it just in coincidental , I find it completely appalling♦️♦️♦️‼️
@@davidstaudohar6733 IF this was addressed to me: 1. I never claimed to have served, and in fact did not; 2. my post did not have anything other than serious comments, i.e. no "jokes"; 3. the factual information in my post is not obscure or little known; I first read of those facts in Edward P. Stafford's 1962 book "The Big E".
@@davidstaudohar6733 Lancer as in B-1B?
Also, dude, you need to chill. If replying to the OP, he stated factual information that in no way was satirical or in a joking manner.
I only knew about the Dauntlesses some what, and had almost forgotten about the third wave. All the others were new to me; thank you so much for helping us remember history.
Out of this entire video, the only item I was not aware of was the loss of the three enlisted men who were private pilots. All the rest is well documented and much of it was in Tora Tora Tora.
TJ..Awesome. When I saw the animations, graphics, I've loved right off the bat. Very well detailed. An exciting time travel. Thanks a lot.
Was an honor taking part of this cinematic, especially the Zero Formations.
Can't wait for next shoot!
Cool video. I've studied the Pearl Harbor attack for over 40 years but you had a few tidbits I didn't know. Great CGI!
you forgot one important thing the admiral of the Japanese Fleet was afraid because the carriers were not at Midway as you were earlier so with the carrier's not there he is afraid of a counter-attack from the carriers that's why the third wave was canceled one of the reasons along with the ones you mentioned but otherwise great rapport.
Great video. Thanx for all your work. I wish more people knew more history so it doesn’t repeat itself. Keep up this great work.
Wonderful animations to go with the story. You certainly do your homework and I thank you for the details. Really good work my friend
Thanks!
I had uncles from both sides of my family that were at Pearl. Don Smith was an aircraft mechanic assigned to the Enterprise. He had been left at Pearl to oversee some repairs on planes for the Enterprise. He was permitted to fly the planes for diagnosis and runs the officers did not want to bother with. He was credited with saving 2 soldiers lives who were on fire and got enough dirt on them to put them out. He pulled 2 Catalina flying boats out of buning hangers. Then he saw a fighter on the runway. He managed to get it in the air. Then he pretripped it as he headed towards the Japanese planes. He realized he only had 100 rounds in his guns and less than an 8th of a tank of fuel. Oh crap. Lol. My other uncle was on one if the destroyers escorting the Enterprise into the harbor. They had to go in. They had no supplies, only a day of fuel left, samenon water. They listened to Hawaiian commercial radio and knew Pearl had been attacked. Everyone was on battlestations. His area was on the deck. He said besides our ships on fire oil was covering most of the water on the harbor. Lots of sailors were on fire in the water. He said I looked up at the bridge and saw my Captain. He had tears in his eyes. I think we all had tears in our eyes that day. Bernard Siglinger
Admiral Nagumo probably also wondered "what if I wasn't so wary of the American carriers and launched a 3rd wave", as he disregarded the carrier threat and launched another wave at Midway, which contributed to his demise. Moral: believe in yourself
Admiral Nagumo was chastised by Yamamoto for not finishing the job
The third wave would have given more time for the U.S. Navy’s PBYs to find them. The Japanese planes came in from the East, so that they could be confused for the American B-17s. The Japanese KNEW about the B-17 flight as they had an extensive spy network in The U.S. and Hawaii. By the time of a third wave, which would be AFTER the B-17s arrived, they would have tried to save fuel, and come in directly, giving a hint of where to look. The PBY had an enormous range (during the war, it routinely flew non-stop between Adelaide, Australia and Columbo, Sri Lanka), and would easily ferret out the location of the Japanese fleet. Then the American carrier fleet would have engaged them directly, and they would likely have lost much of their carrier fleet. They ran for a reason.
@@MarcPiery I agree there are other factors that were being considered by Nagumo . I do know that Fuchida was reassigned to a backwater post and taken off regular flying status for the rest of the war
@@briannelson4493 Rubbish. For his actions at Pearl Harbor Fuchida was promoted, received the singular honour of an audience with the Emperor, elevated to the status of a cult hero by the Japanese public and then continued in his role of Commander of the Kido Butai. He was removed from flight status directly prior to the Battle of Midway due to emergency surgery for appendicitis and only narrowly survived the sinking of HIJMS Akagi when he sustained two broken ankles. Due to this close call and primarily his existing cult status, it was considered to be too great a risk to national morale to allow him to continue to serve in a front-line formation, so he was given command of a domestically located IJN training unit. Aside from during the abovementioned medical crisis, he was never removed from flight status. Fuchida's final footnote in WW2 history was on the day of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima when he managed to successfully fly a surviving Japanese Navy training aircraft that had been longitudinally bent like a banana by the bomb's precursor wave to conduct a BDA shortly after the attack. After Pearl Harbor Fuchida assumed a similar status to that later achieved by Neil Armstrong who was also told by NASA that he could never again be permitted to fly into space after becoming the first man to set foot upon the moon, however in Fuchida's case this realisation only came subsequent to the extraordinary defeat at Midway.
That was after Midway.
Thanks for the video TJ3
Very interesting n informative upload answering questions of WHY there was no third wave of attack. Have not seen info addressing that topic. Kudos for upload. Anticipating ur vid on the successful defenders. Peace
Two more factors relevant to the "third wave" decision. Besides IJN planes actually shot down, others were write-offs or too damaged to be repaired quickly. Also (amazingly, in retrospect), the fuel farms and harbor facilities were low on the IJN's priorities lest. Further, elements of Nagumo's strike force were scheduled to participate in other tightly timed actions.
Third wave should have gone to take out those fuel farms and harbor facilities (including the sub pens). Fourth wave was the invasion which would have sent the carriers to the West Coast and prevented any chance of a Midway.
the Japanese strike force...and for that matter, their entire navy...was a finite resource....they knew they could never replace losses the way that we could...so risking them unnecessarily was frowned upon....
@@frankpienkosky5688 It was a now or never situation. Knocking the Americans back to their shore would have given them time to rebuild any loses.
Not hitting the fuel farms was one key omission which they paid heavily for. If they had been hit, there would be no fuel when the aircraft carriers did return making the future battle at midway impossible, requiring them to get fuel from the west coast thousands of miles further away.
Thank you for sharing this video and information! The first 4 informationals were things that I hadn't heard before! Great video!
And so it came to pass, I joined the list of extras in these amazing productions. The fun of these initial filming sessions has remained in my mind nearly one year later. I learned formation flying, found myself having to frantically grind for a Kate just minutes before filming began, and I never thought one of the most fun and oddly satisfying things to do is blow up ships and planes sitting on the ground in War Thunder. It only got better when I got the Zero and Val
Usually I think "Clickbait" when I see a title that contains the words "things you didn't know" or similar language. However, this is solid information and very well presented. Thanks!
Thanks!
The group of B-17s flying to Hawaii were B-17Es. While this was a new version of the B-17, the B-17 itself was less new. These B-17s were intended to go to the Philippines to replace/supplement the B-17Ds stationed there.
And in Tora Tora Tora! (I think) one of the B-17Gs landing gear has failed while filming. However, the footage was still used.
And, as they were being ferried, they did NOT carry any bombs or have any of its guns installed. They minimized weight to maximize range.
Fyi guys the b-17 flying into pearl harbor, were the first run b-17 bombers. The a b, c,d, e, ,f,and g series of the b-17 bombers would come later in the war🙄🤨
@@edwinarnold4865 Rubbish, they were the first of the 'E' series aircraft sent to the Pacific Command. There was only a single 'A' series aircraft ever built, the 'B' and 'C' series were only produced in limited numbers both due to budgetary limitations and the fact that the B-17 was still viewed by the USAAF as in development rather than operationally ready. Its first combat use was with the RAF which experienced underwhelming results both due to ongoing teething issues and the mode of its deployment. The 'D' series was the first of the truly operationally capable B-17 series supplied and deployed in significant numbers outside of the domestic US. The aircraft that were flown to Pearl Harbor were all of the 'E' series. All 'A', 'B', 'C', and 'D' series aircraft had an entirely different tail design to the subsequent series as can be seen in all photographs of the B-17's that arrived in Hawaii on December 7th 1941.
12 service test planes designated YB-17 entered service in 1937. A 13th, the B-17A, was an engineering test airframe. They served stateside, made many famous publicity flights, and eventually were sent to training bases. All were stricken and scrapped by 1943.
Production B-17B-C-Ds arrived in 1939-'40, incrementally improved thru USAAC experience. B-models followed the Y-models to training bases as newer planes arrived. C-models went to the RAF thru Lend-Lease or were converted to Ds in US service. These were the first B-17s to see combat.
The drastically redesigned B-17E was a response to the C-models' failures in RAF high-altitude raids during 1941. The slender "shark" fin made them too unstable for accurate bombing, and their gunnery was inadequate.
Models F and G made up almost all of the B-17s in the ETO, where most served. By the time the B-17G was designed, it is said that the only parts of the original YB-17 that were interchangeable were the tires.
Thankyou for a thorough presentation. Stuff there that I was unaware of.
Nice work as always TJ!!!!!
Interesting stories. My take is Radar saw the Japanese attack force but was mistaken for the B-17's. If they had kept monitoring the flight they would of known of the area the Japanese were in. Would of made a big difference to the Enterprise. Also the third wave was never planned for. Nimitz himself said it was the fuel not being hit that saved a year.
This information was actually known to high-ranking US military and government officials because they had decrypted Japanese military communications months before the attack, and they kept it from those radar operators and their officers. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor served as a valid reason for Americans to enter WW2 because after the Spaniards, the Japanese empire was the next one to challenge American hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. I wish I could post the true reasons why Japans military decided to do a first strike on America but this comment may not be posted by RUclips. One thing I can tell you is that we are actually witnessing a similar tactic imposed by the West on their adversaries.
@@dead_on_departure I have studied the attack for several decades. No where has it ever been proven they knew in advance that it would be Pearl. Some guessed it. That is why a week before they were on alert. Nothing concrete on location of the attack. As far as Russia they wanted a war they got it.
I think the most interesting part of Pearl Harbor happened ten years before the attack. In 1931, US Admiral Harry Yarnell commanded a fleet of naval vessels in an exercise called "Fleet Exercise 19" where he was to demonstrate how vulnerable Pearl was as a site for the Pacific Fleet to be Headquartered. With four aircraft carriers, Yarnell launched over 150 aircraft, and statistically obliterated all of the fuel depots, repair facilities, and over half the theoretical fleet at anchor. Isoroku Yamamoto was Naval Attache from Japan in Washington DC at the time, and it is believed by some historians that the reports from the fleet exercise were the initial basis for his plans to attack Pearl Harbor. The November 1940 attack on the Italian harbor at Taranto, Italy demonstrated the feasibility of an air attack on a Naval Base, which moved Yamamoto's plans forward.
the US Navy never realized the Japanese had modified their air-launched torpedoes to function in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor....
Fascinating information, thank you for sharing.
I'm right here near Middle Loch now. I used to live in 'Ewa and was acquainted with two survivors. Two Great Uncles were there, Army & Navy. Those meatballs were hard to miss. The fuel tank farm is still there, that was not wrecked in the attack.
Old guy here. I’m somewhat familiar with the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. One book I read had a very positive take on the attack, that it was a tactical victory but a strategic failure for the Japanese. Yes, it knocked out several ships, a great loss of planes, and almost 3,000 killed in action. However, only 2 of the battleships were complete loss, Arizona and Oklahoma. If the fleet would have had the advanced warning, chances are they would have been out to sea. In that case, any ships being sunk, would have been totally lost, never to be repaired, hence never returned to action. The Japanese missed 3 key areas that led to their tactical failure. 1) fuel depot 2) repair facilities, and 3) submarine base. Those 3 things would definitely lengthened the war, greatly handicapping the US. Consider that the submarines in the Pacific, even though they were 4% of Navy personnel, they accounted for something like 52% of shipping losses for the Japanese. If anyone lives in the continental UNited States, close to Texas, there is a museum in Frederickson, Texas, called the Museum of the Pacific War. That was the boyhood home of Naval commander Chester Nimitz. I visited this historical museum in 2014 and I’ve been to the sights on Ford Island, Oahu, Hawaii in 1986 and again in 2010. The museum in Texas is almost as good as Hawaii. If you get a chance, go there. If you can afford it, definitely go to Hawaii. To see the Arizona Memorial is just heartbreaking. But to stand on the deck of the battleship Missouri, is just exhilarating.
" If the fleet would have had the advanced warning, chances are they would have been out to sea."
The fleet had two weeks advanced warning..( From an australian military outpost in Papua Guinea )
FDR ordered the fleet stay in Pearl Harbor against the express concerns of the Navel academy.
FDR wanted in and needed a few thousand deaths to excite patriotism.
My great great uncle was at Pearl Harbor during the attack
I'm not a history nut but I found that most interesting and well produced. Thanks m8. 🙂
Thank you so very much for the great history lesson. I never stop learning about this great war.
What the hell was great about it. War is never great.
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It was standard practice for Japanese fliers to go there own way when attacking, there was only a few planes with a radio. There radios were very poor . As far as the tank farm goes, if it had been hit there was sufficient oil under ground in huge tanks. The US was in transition with oil storage, back then they could read the writing on the wall.
Please, can you cite the source of this information? Thank You.
Thank you for the forgotten stories. they should not be forgotten.
Great information and Outstanding graphics!
I love WW2 history, thanks.
My grandfather was a doctor on a ship during the attack. They got underway without any damage.
Another story to know thanks TJ 😎👍
You have some great CGI graphics, and interesting facts. Thumbs up and subscribed.
Nagumo's boys also failed to touch the American submarines at Pearl that immediately took the fight to Japanese.
Nice work TJ3.
Thanks guys!
Very informative video . Thx to all involved in making this
Lots of good info ..🇺🇲💙🙏
Excellent. Great job!
Excellent video TJ! Another often forgotten piece of the story was that the Japanese did not do much damage to the submarine base. However, US submarines went on to sink over 500,000 tons of IJN ships and over 4,000,000 tons of other Japanese shipping during the war.
The submarines sunk very very few ships until the end of 1943.
@@stairgauge ...our torpedos were crap...the Japanese were excellent....
@@stairgauge Yes, but if the subs hadn't been able to patrol in the western Pacific for a year after Pearl, that might have meant another year before the Navy finally admitted it had a torpedo problem.
Doing additional damage to the battleships wouldn't have had any effect on the outcome of the war. Losing two or three carriers would have destroyed any hope the Japanese had of winning the war, because they were vitally needed for further offensive operations elsewhere in the Pacific. (In hindsight the Japanese never had any realistic hope of winning the war, but when Nagumo made the decision to cancel the third wave he believed they did and he knew the carriers would be necessary.)
As always, great video.
The "War Thunder" cinematics used here represent American ships being defended by 20mm Oerlikon autocannons. These weapons were not installed on USN warships before 1942. On 7 December 1941, the most common AA guns aboard USN warships were the dual-purpose 3"/50 QF gun and the water-cooled Browning .50-caliber HMG. Cook 2nd Class Doris Miller and Chief Ordnanceman John Finn both used Brownings to fight back, both scoring kills.
Didn't they also have 1.1" guns, which were later replaced by 40mm Bofors?
Very nice video and analysis of the events! I think that the story of Cornelia Fort it's partially portrayed in the movie "tora tora tora" but I didn't know the full story! Looking forward for the next video! Thank you!!
Thank you for your service.
I lived in Iroquois Point under the glide slope for runway 8L for 3 years when I was 10-13. Really cool place with lots of history. Used to surf the mouth of Pearl Harbor and fish too.
Fun Fact: The U.S. knew the Japanese were near Hawaii.
But they allowed it to happen as the U.S. was needing a way to enter the war.
Fun fact: That is 100% bullshit.
here come the conspiracy nuts
@@brucetucker4847 Oh, you were there.??? LOL.
@@marblox9300 No, but I guarantee I've read far more about it than you have from people who were there. Particularly about code breaking, which most people don't understand very well.
@@brucetucker4847 So if you read the U.S.propaganda I guess that means it's true.
Another interesting story about Dec 7, 1941 was the attack on Midway NAS.
Thank you all involved for making such an amazing video, I enjoy the history of your stories and the great detail you put into making them! Keep up the excellent work and I look forward to watching more!
Thank you so much for this, & moreso, for helping our next generations appreciate what our "Greatest Generation" did for us. I met a once gentleman stationed on the Arizona who'd received a 24-hour furlough on Saturday, Dec. 6, spent the evening in Pearl City dancing & partying, & slept the night off at a friend's house there. He woke up to the sound of bombs, gunfire, & planes flying over. He made his way as fast as possible to the shore, hoping to catch a picket boat back to the ship, & watched as his ship received its deadly bombing. In his 80s, he cried, ashamed that he wasn't on the ship with his friends when they died. What a man. My Dad & 4 of 5 uncles served in WWII (the 5th in Korea), & their mothers, fathers, & sisters served & sacrificed so much at home. I chose a career to teach history to honor of them & all our generous ancestors who deserve so much of our humble gratitude.
Fascinating history with excellent animations and video clips.
Just imagine if the B-17s were never scheduled to fly into Hawaii that day!!! When the radar operators seen the returns. Fighters may have been launched and the outcome very different.
One of the problems of the new command center was that they had just installed the phone to the radar site, but the phones to the various operational squadrons were not. Even if the young Lieutenant wanted to warn anyone, the phones didn't work. What phones did work would have taken a very long time to get anyone who could sound the alarm.
@@johnemerson1363 and add, the fact that an American ship took combat action against what it claimed to be a midget sub WAS phoned in 30 minutes before the actual attack, and it was not believed !
@@EdSZiomek According to "Tora Tora Tora" The Navy Captain demanded confirmation and got it less than an hour later. Total confirmation was not to come until just a few years ago when a deep diving U of Hawaii submersible finally found the mini-sub with a 3 inch hone in the conning tower. The Captain was complacent and unwilling to stick his neck out and do something positive.
@@johnemerson1363 In the movie, the "confirmation" given to the captain was the exploding ships visible in the window. "You wanted confirmation? THERE'S your confirmation!"
@@brucetucker4847 Absolutely!
Interesting facts but have to disagree that the story of Cornelia Fort is "little known." She features early on in the film 'Tora, Tora.'
Imho her circumstances are included as a half-assed theatrical device of 'comic' relief to highlight the tragedy that is to come. All the same i believe the contrast makes her quite memorable. (ofc the film does not reveal her sad end and despite the senseless loss of this brave woman i appreciate your extra info.)
You found that sequence funny? The woman takes the only logical course of action, i.e. escaping immediately, and you chuckle? Half-assed does apply here, but not to the film. I'm quite certain the director did not intend that as "comedy relief" but as a tribute to a little-known incident just before the actual attack. "Tora Tora Tora" erred in representing Cornelia West's plane being overtaken from behind when in fact her flight log says she encountered the Japanese formation head-on. Being unable to identify the nationality of the on-coming formation, she dove away to avoid a collision. It was only later when her airport was attacked that West realized she had had a brush with the Imperial Japanese Naval Air Service. In the film, representing the situation differently -- being overtaken and surrounded by the enemy -- allows the character based on Cornelia West to see the Japanese national markings and realize the danger more quickly (and dramatically) than was the actual case.
I was raised one block from Cornelia Fort Airport in Nashville.
Thanks for sharing your video. I enjoyed watching. Take care and God Bless.
I was skeptical about this video when I saw the title. Whenever this sort of videos say anything you, "don't know about," something almost invariably they fail to mention anything that's not common knowledge. This video did cover things which are not widely known. Excellent video.
Well done!
Thanks!
TJ3 well done
I think it's more than "5 things" for me. Nice video
Thanks!
You said several times that the aircraft carriers were "lucky" to be out of the harbor when the Japanese attacked. It most definitely was not luck - it was Divine providence! Many more instances of Divine providence were evident through WWII and many other wars.
Good video!!! Have been reading about Pearl Harbor for over 50+ years and I knew ALL of these events except #5 - learned something today. Also, on December 7th 2LT George Whiteman is considered to be the very 1st US airman shot down/killed in action by enemy gunfire. He took off very shortly after the Japanese attack in his P40B fighter which was hit by enemy fire and crashed. Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri is named in his honor.
Another video claimed that most of those who died, died from an overdose of painkillers. There were not enough people properly trained at in their use at the time.
As far as why Nagumo pulled his 3rd wave, I always suspected he wanted to keep his record of having never lost a ship, intact. Vanity played a major role on all sides in the war.
Shooting down defenseless aircraft gives you a look into the ‘mindset of your enemy’, which was before War was declared….
Quite a contrast from the repeated warnings by President Truman to the Japanese before dropping the Atomic Bomb….
The Japanese pilots were probably unaware that the planes were unarmed. They were fully expecting the Americans to be waiting for them.
I saw some videos of this but your videos is better thanks for sharing this video
Knew of 2 of these
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
IIRC Another 20-30 aircraft that made it back to the IJN carriers had to be written off due to damage, something that is not often mentioned.
you cant be cool on youtube unless the person uses abbreviations to confuse people to show their great knowledge
When I think about Pearl I can't help but see the guys (in my creative brain) who got stuck inside a capsized vessel and survived because of a huge air bubble but in complete darkness, alone, without water or food, making as much noise as podssible. No one ever came for him but they could all hear his slowly fading away desperate calls, until one morning he gave it all up, overwhelmed by the still unanswered question why, unaware that they all wished so hard to get him out of there but couldn't even get close, because cutting a hole in the bottom of such a monster could cause a massive blowup that might cost many more lives so when the dreaded silence finally came, being there at that moment would probably have traumatizedf me, and causing the same nightmare night after night, of screaming at him as loud as I could, unable to produce any sound SO, did you ever imagine yourself caught somewhere alone in the dark, hoping that death would get you out of there as soon as possible, but the bitch refusing every time, to surrender unconditionally.
Very deep.
Good job
@@envisionCamusa I saw that situation in a docunentary maybe 10 or 15 years ago and I guess I must have been in a particularly emotional state at that moment, but when I heard that a lot of those young marines got stuck in there and survived for about 3 weeks it hit me and I lost it for a while, I had never heard that such a thing was even possible so even after all those years, sometimes when I read a book or watch a video about it, I get right back in there, hoping that if something survives after we die, they can feel something when I think about them like a warm hug or a little comforting. I don't be Thank you for your kind words. Cheers.
I knew about some of those but not of all! In maaany docu series those facts are not told. A very big THANKS to You for bringing it up! Great work!
There were more civilian aircraft airborne that morning. I e was a female flight instructor and owner of the flight school on the airport adjacent to Ford Island. Ber name was Marguerite Gambo and she had to fly low through the pass to avoid being shot down. She was the instructor who signed my recommendation for my flight instructor rating in 1976.
Actually, the 3rd wave targets would probably have been the Repair Facilities and the Oil "tank farms" which were supposed to have been hit on the first wave. But due to a mistake in Signal Flares, the aircraft assigned to do this went after the AA positions and the airfields.
The destruction of both of these would have meant that the US would have had to stage out of California on the west coast of the US... And most of the ships that were sunk or heavily damage wouldn't have been able to get back into service until mid 1944 at the earliest!
Incorrect. The confusion that resulted from the firing of the signal flares immediately prior to the first wave aircraft deploying to their attack altitudes related to the determining issue of whether or not surprise had been achieved. In the case that this had (two flares) the torpedo aircraft would be given priority and in the case that surprise was lost (one flare) the level and dive bombing aircraft would assume this priority to 'decoy' the anti-aircraft defences into firing at altitude to maximise the success of strafing runs by the fighters to attempt to suppress anti-aircraft defences and thereby afford the torpedo aircraft the greatest prospect of what was always viewed as a limited prospect of success regardless of whether or not surprise was achieved. The use of flares in this manner was surprisingly ill-conceived given much of the rest of the level of thought and redundancy that went into planning as it was fraught with danger that some or many of the aircraft may miss the two flare signal as indeed happened and resulted in a first wave attack that was a mix of both contingencies.
At no time in either the first or second wave attack plans was any priority whatsoever given to attacking the tank farm or repair facilities. This in fact only ever became a matter of discussion after the war when Mitsuo Fuchida published his autobiography in which he claimed that upon his return to HIJMS Akagi, he had argued animatedly with Nagumo about launching a third wave dedicated to attacking the tank farm and repair facilities, a claim which was however strongly disputed by all others who were present on the bridge of HIJMS Akagi that day and had survived the war. Nagumo was proven to be a less than reliable custodian of history in recounting his experiences during the war with a consistent tendency to embellish his contributions.
My father was on a ship in dry dock during the attack ...that third wave would have damaged his ship but , praise God, it did not occur and he went on to become a pilot a rescue plane and came home.
@@harryricochet8134 I've read that if they had surprise that a number of the Dive Bombers would have attacked the Oil Tank Farms, and various important structures.
@@timengineman2nd714 My op dealt with that issue in great detail. First person source materials consistently show that there was no provision whatsoever within the attack plan for any bombing of the infrastructure. Fuchida's post-war claims that upon returning to the flagship he strongly advocated for such an attack in a third wave to Admiral Nagumo have been strongly refuted by every one of his colleagues in attendance who survived the war. The universally peer recognised best historical work on the attack the late Gordon W Prange's 'At Dawn We Slept' exhaustively addresses the issues of deficiency which led to the confusion which resulted from the use of the flare signal in order to inform aircrews of the attacking aircraft as to whether or not surprise had been achieved and the deficiencies of the failure to attack any infrastructure targets.
Additionally, Jim Laurier's 'Pearl Harbor' gives a detailed schematic which provides the designated target of every single sub-group of both attack waves. No aircraft were tasked with attacks upon any infrastructure or the tank farms under either of the two alternate circumstances the plan accommodated, these being determined by whether or not surprise had been achieved. In addition to the above, the success of any dedicated attack upon infrastructure would have relied upon the type of bombs utilised which would have been different to those which were used against those targets that were designated.
US Navy Cmdr Mark E Stille (Retd) compiled an excellent analysis of the myriad of flaws in the attack plan as well as its results within his book 'Tora, Tora, Tora! Pearl Harbor 1941' which also deals with these issues in great detail. Each of these books rely solely upon first person source materials and have been extensively peer-reviewed. I don't know what book you read that claim in, but it is completely without any foundation within the first-person source materials required to afford it any credibility. Someone could write a book claiming that the Earth was flat, however without any empirical foundation it isn't worth the paper it wastes to make such a spurious and utterly absurd claim.
The first shot was fired by USS Ward
& a zero pilot landed on another island.
& it was the imperial Japanese navy airforces
Good video TJ.
Thanks TJ3
So many, many, unfortunate twists of fate. So many hard lessons learned. My grandmother's fiance died on the Oklahoma. Had the Oklahoma and Arizona never collided, I wouldn't be here today. Battle of Midway was definitely using that lesson and playing a bad hand to win. Single moments are fleeting, it's what you do with them that counts.
So basically Greg youre stating that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a good thing for you?
@@JC-zv3cv spoken like a true troll. Pearl Harbor was a day that changed the course of many lives. History is not good or evil. It does need to be respected.
@@gearheadgregwi Actually Greg..i was taking the piss out of your comment because for some reason you felt the need to sharer about what your ancestors did.
Pearl Harbor wasn't a day..it's a place. The attack on pearl harbor wasn't an event that changed many lives, the decisions leading up to allowing the attack on pearl harbor did that. One might assume that the loss of 3000 lives was worth it given FDR knew the attack was coming and ordered the fleet stay put contrary to the request of the Admiralty/Navel intelligence.
Was it a tragedy? No more or less than any other tragedy..apparently the invasion of Poland and the undertaking of the holocaust, which America knew about wasn't a tragedy, at least not enough for America to get involved.
Was the fire bombing of tokyo by US bombers armed and trained and even flown by US piolts in the sino japan war leading up to WW2 a tragedy? How about the two year blockade of Japan by the US prior to WW2 which led to the deaths of thousands of civilians through starvation and freezing to death?..perhaps only the lives of white americans mattered?
'History is not good or evil' is bullsheet, history tends to be written by the victors which is why the tragedy of the second attack on pearl harbor is what leads the majority of americans to think they were victims and consequently won WW2, a war that had been going on for 2 years prior to the US joining in, a war that the US joined pretty much after the British & their allies ..and the USSR had turned the tied against the nazis.
I said the second attack on Pearl Harbor because of course, Hawaii was colonised against the wishes of the indigenous population..
@@JC-zv3cv interesting paper arguments that will never have an answer. My grandfather lost his brother at Anzio and grandfather landed at Normandy shortly after. Please take pot shots at that too.
History is written by scolars and politicians. It is lived by ordinary individuals put in extraordinary circumstances.
you didnt mention the portugese dockworkers that jumped into the cranes and managed to literally knock one of the planes out of the sky. if you ever mention pearl harbor around them they wont fail to mention it, thats for sure.
their action probably saved the USS Pennsylvania too.
well done TJ3😲
This is very well done.
Incredible events! A day which will live in infamy.
I've never been able to verify the claim made by my old boss Bob Bromley that he was a student pilot taking a lesson on Sunday morning, December 7, 1941. Can anyone confirm this?
I like ur perspective of #1. As it makes more sense vs what is told in movies.
Nice work TJ