(55)The Kobayashi Maru
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth, we take a look at the Kobayashi Maru Test, how it came to be, and numerous solutions to the puzzle as seen through Beta Canon... I hope you enjoy!
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I love Captain Calhoon's solution to the Kobayashi Maru. If you know anything about this captain and his personality, then his solution makes total sense.
Indeed it does :)
"Most things die when you blow them up"- Mac Calhoun
So Riker’s solution was that good that it was classified. That explains why he was offered so many commands and at the same time explains why he refused so many commands. “With great power comes great responsibility”. More reason for him to be my favorite character!!!
We all knew that Kirk never truly believed in "the no-win senaro." He always cheated and avoided death. Was until the battle with Khan in the mutar nebula to see Spock die that he no longer believed in the no win senior.
In into Darkness, kirk always acted arrogant and believed that he could he get away. Never believed in fear until he had seen at the end of the barrel of a gun than turned to his crew to face them
To my knowledge, I believe one of the more creative ones was Nog's and his negotiations got so complex the simulator crashed. Leave it to a Ferengi to win by barter.
A Star Trek RPG I played a LONG time ago, my solution was putting antimatter bombs in escape pods and playing dead in space only to power up and take off when the Klingons were collecting "prisoners" then detonating the pods to cover the escape. A nat 20 let me successfully pull it off.
Yeah, I honestly loved that Nog had that solution because it seems so perfectly in character for him
@@fightingfalcon777 Yet another example of the obvious deep thought that went into DS9 writing and character development
Interesting, 2 people had the same extreme reaction. Checkout and Calhoun both destroyed their ships.
@@geraldford6409 When is it shown how nog saves the Kobayashi Maru in DS9?
A classic ploy that my friend and I refer to as the "Koenig Maneuver", from an episode of Space 1999 where an enemy ship is destroyed using a remote controlled moonbuggy filled with explosives, disguised to appear totally harmless.
Riker won his test by performing The Riker Maneuver. There isn't an enemy alive that can withstand the chair-straddling power of The Riker Maneuver.
Ah yes, they had no clue what solution to give Riker that would also fit his character. I guess they could've [CLASSIFIED].
LOL most likely :)
Now I’m obsessed with what Riker did! There goes my whole day.
I know what you mean! I tried to find out, but it's STILL Classified Apparently :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics he slept with the female enemy captain
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Capture a a Klingon ship, take it's cloaking device and win the game. It's classified because they wouldn't want word of this tactic getting back to the Klingons!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics easy, he just made his Riker maneuver and everyone on the enemy ships got so horny that he could easily take them out.
I personally love Nog's attempts. He broke the test.
You know, I got a feeling when Worf is still Cadet. He instead Rammed the enemy ship to save the Kobiyashi Maru..
I even heard his *"Ramming speed!"* tone of voice thinking about that situation. 😀
Mac Calhoun blew it the fuck up taking every enemy ship with him. Because Mac Calhoun
When he said that Chekov self-destructed his ship, I understood it to mean that he rammed his ship into the Klingon cruiser
Worf did try this one Borg Cube so...
I wonder what the Kobayashi Maru model would have looked like in the TOS, or even ENT eras of technology. Obviously the nacelles in it wouldn't be the same. It'd also be cool to see a later future variant of it (25th century stuff)
Fantastic video. The Kobayashi Maru test has always been something I thought needed to be explored more in depth, in a series. I would have liked the actual Kobayashi test given to Wesley in season 7 of TNG. He was much less annoying at the end and I think that could have been a great episode.
Thank you very much! Glad you liked it :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Thank YOU! I know how much research and effort go into your videos!
i just assumed riker seduced the leader of the enemy fleet
LOL
Forget using metreon gas and the busard collectors, this is the real Riker Maneuver.
It is of course Star Trek's version of the philosophical virtue question, most commonly referred to as the trolley bus dilemma. My answer to that is always that I wouldn't have allowed the situation to become so critical. In other words, like Kirk, I don't accept that there is a no win situation, but equally, I do like and hold valid the Calhoun solution.
This was awesome! No one talks about this ship...and only glances at the test itself. It’s good to get an origin story for “The No Win Scenario” since it is a major part of cadet training in Star Trek. I applaud you for delving as deep as humanly possible into the subject.
Thank you so much Matthew ;)
Something that's always gotten me: The Neutral Zone has to be many light-years wide: a ship struck by a mine, if it survived at all, should drop to sublight speeds.
How the HELL did the KM get into the Neutral Zone when it was presumably going to somewhere not in the Neutral Zone, and, for that matter, WHY are Klingon warships lurking within the Neutral Zone itself to attack you? Perhaps the 'gravitic mine' throws ships rather than damages them.
Which brings me to my solution: challenge the Klingon commander: what are YOU doing in the Neutral Zone, something most honorable, I'm sure, for you to be INSIDE the Neutral Zone instead of on the Klingon side of it. Did you see the dishonorable petaQ who laid mines near the neutral zone to cause innocent vessels traveling Fed-side space to be thrown into the zone? This is clearly a ploy by some dishonorable petaQ to cause us to fight one another. Who is this cowardly cur, we should be hunting them down!
At this point, what is the Klingon commander to do? If he persists in attacking you, then he looses face in the eyes of his own people for being a dishonorable petaQ who uses dishonorable means to draw uninvolved ships into a position where he can "justifiably" attack them; IE, he's been exposed as having manufactured a casus belli.
But it lets him save face by throwing someone else under the bus; he can blame it on the nearest Klingon pirate/criminal gang or the House his House is most hostile to. He can also blame it on Romulans that his ships have been tracking but unable to pin down. Having established that the KM is in the NZ through no criminal intent of its own, they can then haul it back to the border and chuck it over with a high-impulse tow for you to reclaim it, then tell you that THEY will go and deal with the malefactors, you need not get your soft Federation hands dirty.
LOL... I like that as a solution... if it were set up for the Klingons to be the variation ran... but.. fails, if it is st up with the Rommie's, instead...
That was Calhoun's argument. No freighter could get that far into the zone on sublight speed or be intact with that much damage.
There is an audio book on RUclips called "The Kobayashi Maru" were it's a Kirk and the crew telling their experiences of the test. I like scotty's solution for the simulation.
Read the book, and yes Captain Calhoun had a good solution.
Nog negotiated with the opponents in the program, thus causing the program to crash.
LOL Im not sure if you're joking here, or if this is something from beta canon! If it IS Beta Canon, can you tell me from where as I did not run across it!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I thought this was mentioned in a DS9 episode? IDK but I have the vaguest feeling it did with Nog telling Kira on the Defiant... im not the biggest DS9 aficionado so maybe I'm recalling something else..
I heard something like thi somewhere also.
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics "Best Tools Available" short story in Strange New Worlds VI. So maybe Delta/Gamma canon?
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics It was Beta Canon story covering Nog's career. He took the test twice. First time he "passed" but he did not feel he did. So he took it again. And went through such a complex trading negotiation. It crashed the program. So technically Nog best the Unbeatable Scenario. By crashing the program. He earned his place of honor next to all the others.
I like Nog's tackling the test. When the simulated Romulan commander tries to demand his surrender, Nog replies "Name Your Price", and proceeds to haggle until the simulation crashes, as the programmers had never considered this possibility.
Cadet Riker just swept a leg over the command chair, sat down and leaned to the side. The Klingons surrendered on the spot.
The true Riker Maneuver.
Looking at this ship made me think that if those lower cargo modules were replaced with weapons modules, it would make this a ship that would even frighten the Borg!
Or 2 more nacelles, take out the front saucer cargo bays and put a couple torp launchers there and I the back of the hull. Put 8 phaser banks 4 upper 4 lower 6 on saucer 2 on the aft end. It would have the speed increased and would have firepower equivalent to a Miranda class. Drop the lower middle of the saucer put a deflector dish in there and slope the superstructure to the back end. I think it would look good.
Ah the test that named the most popular Star Trek Bridge commander mod
LOL oh yeah! That's the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of the entire thing :P Good Morning Germie ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics good morning to you too Tri
Oh my gosh! That mod was so cool! I remember playing that game for YEARS!
Have a pc built just to play BC!
Interesting. I lapsed a bit on Enterprise, but came back when the relaunch novels came out. The beta canon version I'm familiar with (from those novels) is that NX-01 responded, but it was a trap using a Romulan remote capture device, and Enterprise was forced to abandon the rescue. I'd never heard the NX-02 version of events.
All in all, I think I prefer the version that was always an "IRL" no-win, but entirely personal preference.
Thank you for the work you put in. These are always fun to watch!
In the star trek: destiny books it's the columbia that responds to the kobayashi maru's distress call, gets severely damaged, then travels at relativistic speeds to the nearest planet, then they make the borg.
I like the look of the Kobyashi Mary from STO. Thanks for the video
No problem 👍:)
this is Helpful,Interesting,and Cool! Thank You for doing this!
I wonder if the Klingons or Romulans have a “Kobayashi Maru” type of test for their commanders? And - if so - does the Klingon one involve being besieged by large numbers of Federation starships?
Klingon Officer: “Commander, enemy ships outnumber us 3 to 1!”
Klingon Commander: “Then it is a fair fight.”
#thepoorbastards
#cowabungaitis
I don't care what type of sci-fi or space game it is I just love cargo vessels
You can see it's a Miranda kitbash, still nice though.
interesting design for the Kobayashi Maru. I picked up elements of several canon starships in it. Great video !
I read the novel back in the 90s and most other trek written material. Loved how Trek did their EU without stepping on the toes of the TV shows and films. Most of it is relegated to “elseworlds” kinda situation but I love alternatives and “what if” scenarios often presented in them.
Edit: the only one I forgot was Peter Kirk. Was that from the novel where he hooked up with that Klingon woman? Another classic.
I think the only type of person to beat the Kobiyashi- Maru, would be a fast talking Auctioneer as captain. Imagine the speed of his commands, Tom Paris at the helm; data, La forge, and O'brien at controls! 😮 Use a large scale Delta-Flyer as a star ship or a larger version of the Uss Defiant. Thats how you beat that type of scenario 👍
Peter Kirk's test was covered in the book Sarek. A really good book that takes place a month after Star Trek 6.
I assume Capt. Calhoun and Benjamin 'Don't fuck with the' Sisko had the same solution.
Thanks. I remember a book of short stories about kobayashi maru stories
There is an audio book on RUclips called "The Kobayashi Maru" were it's a Kirk and the crew telling their experiences of the test. I like scotty's solution.
Cool stuff! My favorite is in the PC Video game when you hack it andd the klingons are super nice. "CPT Forrester....THE CPT Forrester!" lololololIUts HOW the klingon says it that is so funny.
Another excellent episode! I like that you incorporated the novel about Kobayashi Maru into the episode. I remember reading that book and loving it!
Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, the Novel has always been one of my favorites :)
i would most likely had destroyed the Kobayashi Maru like Calhoun, if i was taking that test.
I guess I'm weird.
My solution:
Move to just outside the Neutral Zone, as close as possible to the KM. Channel as much power as needed to the communication array and begin broadcasting a Distress Signal on every known channel, in Klingonaase.
"Attention any Klingon vessel receiving this message. This is the U.S.S. Enterprise, Captain Ahff commanding. An un-armed civilian transport has experienced damage, and been left adrift. It has accidentally encroached on the Neutral Zone. We are requesting that any Klingon vessel in the area of (I think it was Gamma Hydra 6-5-7?) please respond under the Federation Rescue and Succor laws. Any vessel of the Klingon Navy to assist in this rescue will not be considered to have violated the non-encroachment sections of the Federation-Klingon Treaty, and this will not be considered an act of aggression. We offer you the salvage of the KM, minus it's warp and computer cores, including it's cargo, for the safe return of our citizens."
Maybe it wouldn't work, but I would be doing everything in my power within the letter of the Treaty to rescue the crew of a Federation ship.
In reality Calhoun would just fly in tow or transport the survivors out and escape back to Federation space. Mc’Kinzie was just a bastard during in his younger days.
@@pizzedahff3127 That pretty much would've been my solution as well. Give em fair warning & then proceed. At the same time inform Starfleet Command to send backup.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and very informatively explained in every detail way shape and form and format on this subject matter provided on the Kobayashi Maru on the Starship itself and on the Test for the Captaincy on this scenario of a no win situation and so forth indeed!,👌.
As for the test, nice job on that back story. The Kobayashi Maru class design looks like an early concept for the Reliant from Star Trek II. Harve Bennett approved that design upside down. Production didn’t have time to send it back for the to get the approval right ride up, so they ran with it as is. Maybe you should do a video on the class itself.
I've always liked this model of the ECS Kobiashi Maru. STO got this one right.
i love the Kobayashi Maru design. my top 5
i love how the kobayashi maru is essentially an upside-down miranda with extra pieces.
Captain Hernandez! Strong, capable woman! Hail David!
Amen :)
Very nice Video. Fit good in the Canon
Thank you :)
I'm curious where you found the take off the NX-02 was involved with the K. Maru incident. The ENT novels leading into the Romulan War had it as the NX-01 Enterprise and Archer had to abandon the Maru or risk being captured by the Romulan telecapture weapon.
I believe the book was called Kobiashi Maru, if you need where I am pulling my reference from.
This was good!
Thank you :)
Well researched!
There are two ways I can see winning this scenario without cheating.
1. Immediately get the Kobayashi Maru to change it's IFF so it looks like a Klingon ship. Then I would tell it to stop brocasting a distress signal so it's not investigated by Klingon border patrol. Then I would simply tow the Kobayashi Maru outside the neutral zone while using a Klingon IFF as well.
2. Use a temporal beacon and get the Kobayashi Maru sent back in time.
I did like your view I think and believe this was an is very important necessary for all Command cadets also to make sure that the cadet can make a Command decision then act on that decision
I always liked Piper’s solution.
Did cadets think they were really on a mission? It seems in some cases yes but other no since Kirk took the test 3 times before beating it.
FASA's version was a Lotus Flower class ship. Single warp nacelle.
I was one of 40 Command Level Staff subjected to a psychological test.
At first the group managed to split itself into Two groups of 20 each.
Completely as Predicted.
Then the first group of 20 succeeded in splitting itself into Two groups of Ten.
Completely as Predicted.
But the 2nd group of 20 succeeded in splitting itself into something entirely unexpected.
19 and One.
The Prediction ran to 20 and Zero.
And I was the One.
Apparently I was the only individual in the 40 Officers who was willing to Make Hard Decisions, Justify Them and Accept the Responsibility for making those Decisions.
Whilst I couldn’t quite see the full evaluation of My Command Style, the other 39 Officers were in complete accord with the Description.
A really great video The Kobayashi Maru scenario is a really amazing test
It's funny, Kobayashi Maru is now considered a colorful metaphor!
🤣🤣🤣
An awful lot of Romulans in that Starfleet Vs Klingon simulation.
Love the video. Please keep up the good work. Happy holidays!
Lies! All lies! You CAN win the no-win scenario! :P
And... Of course Calhoun's solution was novel. :D
Thanks for the post, TAS. 👍
My pleasure! LOL :)
I see what you did there :)
My Andorian OC I made for STO did what Kirks nephew did, while my joined Trill had abstained, and was granted such a request, form the test, due to having taken it in two other life times.
it was very interesting to hear how each cadet took the test
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Thanks Noah :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics you're welcome
" I don't believe in no win situations. " James T. Kirk
I have over the years seen several non cannon concepts for the Kobayashi Maru, however I think I like yours the best. Did you design this or is it from a ST game like STO?
Great video
I think fight all the Klingon captains in a one on one duel their honor dictates fighting if you insult said honor
Pretty good video
Glad you enjoyed it
I didn’t know much on this nice one dude
Starfleet Corp of Engenieers: We have develop a new freigther class !! :D
Starfleet command: -sigh- Is another Miranda class variant? =_=
SCE: ..... is another Miranda class variant.... U_U
Its rather different then the Miranda to be honest :P
Just find it interesting that in your interpretation where the Columbia NX-02 responded to the KM's distress call. There's the "Star Trek Enterprise - Kobayashi Maru" novel that shows also occurring in the Enterprise-era. That's the fun of beta canon, though :D
I wonder whether any one testee resigned tis commission over the test.
Troi came pretty close after she killed La Forge.
there are theoretically other solutions to no win senarios like this. for example in the kobiashi maru test, even if there are an 'infinite' number of romulan ships incoming, as long as the waves aren't terribly large in number, the cadets could beam an engineer over to the maru to start on repairs and while using kirk's short warp maneuvers to stay away from the ships, the cadets' ship could use low intensity phasers at modulating frequencies, ruling out every single modulation on each ship until they got though, because apparently every ship has a modulation frequency for their shields. i'm sure there is some technical solution to making the romulan's ship disruptors not do much or any damage, and the fight can be won.
a fight which might not be able to be won is a super strong enemy significantly ahead of current technology, a type of extremely large and powerful ship, or a fake distress call from a ship where the cadet's crew does not know it's a fake crew until they see the fake crew with their eyes. strangely each one of these 'harder' senarios were in official episodes or movies and the 'good guys' were able to 'win'. it sounds like a no win senario when a host of almost unknown ships intent on destroying a single ship is the situation, but it's far from 'no win'. even wesley's no win senario you could have won. i forget if the crewman who died was pinned or just scared, but if pinned use a phaser or cutting tool, and if scared use a phaser on stun or knock him out and drag both crew. wesley couldn't drag both but a lot of cadets should b e able to competently drag 2 bodies in the time it took wesley to drag one. maybe figure out a quick fix to the explosion problem.
regardless i liked the research put into the rest of the no win senarios on this video! i would have liked if the video touched upon dianna's no win senario also, but hey that was pretty cut and dry. i still think dianna troy's test had a way to keep everyone alive.
Hello TriAngulum.
The Kobayashi Maru Test was so influential in Sci-Fi that when a group of aspiring authors decided to come together and create a 'Trek-like' universe to write in, I came up with the Academy Test. This test was performed while the cadets slept. Each was put under sedation and taken to Sick Bay to be monitored both physically and mentally as they underwent the testing. While sedated, the cadets experienced a speed up of time in a 'dream state' and 'knew' they had been taken to a planet, beamed down, and given beam weapons to 'hunt' the other cadets. Supposedly, only one was to 'survive', even though the beam weapons were supposed to be set for 'stun'.
However, anything the cadets did would lead to death in some manner. Food poisoning by eating supposedly 'safe' alien plants and animals. A cut or scrape would rapidly become septic and poison the cadet to death. And, the locked 'stun' setting was actually set for 'kill'. Hand to Hand combat would Always result in injuries that would be deadly.
The test was not to see who could survive longest, but how the cadet dealt with the concept of death. Seeing others die, killing others, and being killed.
Death can come for one in any of literally thousands and thousands of ways. Even if you've taken all prudent precautions, one can still die in an unforeseen manner. Many times, to events that one does not even have control over. So, it is better to have your cadets experience 'death' and know it for what it is, than fear some nebulous dreaded event. All young of all species have the subconscious thought 'that can never happen to me'. By making your cadets experience death, repeatedly, in any of literally dozens of ways, can break this 'conditioning' of the immortality of youth... and make them more 'adult' in their though processes thereby.
In a manner of speaking, I equate this with my memories of USMC Basic Training. Where each prospective Marine is trained in many ways, and pushed to perform things that their 'civilian selves' would never have thought they could do, or survive (For me, it was rappelling down a cliff face. I was so afraid of heights and the 'openness' that I literally frozen in place. Until my Drill Instructor challenged me to follow him over the edge. He only went down a dozen feet or so... but by that time I was already on my way down, and was over my 'fear' of the unknown, the height, and the thought of falling to my death).
These are 'Life Lessons' one can and should learn to better one's self. I am still afraid of heights, but I no longer allow my fear to rule me. Facing Death, when we have the technology to mimic it well, should be one of those lessons in life that makes one a better person. One that 'fears' death, but no longer allows such fears to control one's actions.
I know, a long reply... but I had a few things to say, and I hope I said them well.
speaking, Frank-ly
SOMEONE read the book. Well done.
you forgot Nog's passing of the test, makign the simulation crash by trying to bargain with the kilngons :-) Mentionned in a novel I think...
No, that came from a comic, and i dont include comics in these! Too hard to do!
Question, why does this look like a federation star ship? Everything I have ever seen points to a ship like the one Ensign Mayweather's family has. Since it originally took place in Enterprise. The odds was it was a civilian ship under contract to UE an Star fleet.
Starfleet changes the ship to what is used for it's era, common in space trade for the simulations
I could be VERY wrong, but it seems to me that (around the time ST:TWOK came out), I saw or read something which described the Kobayashi Maru as a Starliner, not a freighter. Does anyone else remember that, or am I losing it?
Four warp drive nacelles!
I thought this would be about the vessel itself. What does the definitive ship actually look like? Are there more than one versions?
Great Video:)
Thanks!
Sure it's a great series
Great video, thanks!!
My only issue with the Kobayshi Maru test is how can it worth anything to those administering it when everyone taking it already must know that there's no way to beat it? You can look like the bravest soul ever when you know that you were never expected to beat it in the first place so that would tell the examiners nothing about you in reality.
I assume (at least) that it must be common knowledge that the test is a no win scenario due to so many of the original Enterprise crew on this video alone having come up with their own solutions beforehand so if word of mouth (or communicator lol) travels like that, then the test should be obsolete after a very short time IMO.
You know the people tied to the rail track dilemma?
Similar concept. Do you do nothing and let the train kill 5 people, or intervene and kill 1 person?
In tng the bridge officers test was similar holodeck no win order an officer to a certain death. For troy it was geordie
A freighter is a freighter unless it's a Q ship.
The test is needed, as you CAN'T have snow flakes in space! (UNLIKE todays's requirements!) Hopefully by the C23rd, snow flakes would have been melted!
I’m like Kirk. I do not believe in the no win scenario
My solution: use the coordinates of the Maru to send two engineers in space suits to the ship via subspace transporter with a ten-second retrieval. If it's an on-board trap, two officers are lost. If it's a false signal, the enemy would decloak first, allowing the engineers to return to my ship. If it's real, they can assist with repairs.
EDIT: I forgot to mention the constant communication.
You're referencing the episode Bloodlines from TNG... But Im sure you remember how unstable and unreliable subspace transport is... They mention it in the episode. Even with seasoned, top of the line officers, they had trouble beaming Picard to the Ferengi vessel... So how exactly are a group of cadets going to be able to do that for you? This solution simply wouldnt work in the end, as also, they could GET Picard to the vessel through subspace, but NOT beam him back... Great creativity though :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics that's where the instructors come in. They will cover the dialogue for that part.
Ok so, Im the instructor in this situation and I say, Captain, it wont work, there is too much gravimetric interference in the area for the transporters to work like that. Now what? ;)
(Plankton voice) I don't know. I didn't think I'd get this far.
LOL ;)
Loved the video, but there is something seriously wrong with the Kobayashi Maru's hull. I think they are headed for a breech.
Pavel Chekov: Takes out himself, his crew, the transport, and three enemy ships before akcepting defeat. That's Russian for you. Die, but win!
Mmmmmm. Can't help but respect a man not afraid to die. 🖤 If only he wer a litle taller.... ;)
7:59 Well, since you're going Beta Canon here anyway...Spock was not Kirk's original First Officer, Gary Mitchell was.
There are actually (at least) two sources for this. The trilogy My Brother's Keeper, a dissection of the relationship between Kirk and Mitchell, and one of the very old Star Trek Comics. (Mitchell also appears in the novel Strangers From the Sky, but I can't recall off the top of my head if he is specifically referenced as First Officer in that one.)
OK, back to enjoying the vid.
Beta Canon that does NOT contradict Alpha Canon! There is nothing in Alpha Canon to suggest that Mitchell was EVER Kirk's first officer... In fact the entire episode suggests Spock is... Therefore even in Beta Canon, Spock WAS Kirks first officer... Of course, Im sure you now see the constant problem I face with Beta Canon, as it Constantly is contradicting both itself and Alpha Canon!
Why does a united earth era ship look like a Miranda class variant?
It obviously isnt, it's just ONE of the many Kobayashi Maru's and used as filler!
It's the STO take on the kobayashi Maru
Personally, my solution would be to warp 9 to close proximity of the Kobyashi, beam everyone off before the Klingons had a chance to react, and warp out of there on my Z axis when the transfer was complete.
The other details would be to have the captain of the KM have set the destruct sequence, and have torpedoes in all tubes for the escape.
Also, all of the crew of the KM would be beamed to the shuttle bay, so there would be plenty of room and no delay in transport.
Kind of a twist on the Picard Maneuver, but I believe it would work, catching the Klingons with their pants down, so to speak.
Except that even in the 24th century that is dangerous and near impossible (SEE Voyager Maneuvers, and that was beaming 1 person at low warp, not 381 people at high warp...) Besides, how do you know the exact coordinates of the KM? Sure you know what sector it's in, but there MUST be some sensor interference as you cant detect Klingons so close by... Also, it was struck by gravitic mine... Might cause interference which again would make transporting at warp difficult... Theres unfortunately far too many variables that the computer could and most likely would compensate for... A GREAT try though :) Grats on creativity :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics read it again.
Warp up to the ship to a dead stop, THEN beam the crew and passengers.
While the transfer is going on, the helm aligns on the z axis, and then warp out of there on a different course.
No funky shenanigans like Into Darkness.
Just real use of real tactics that are safe, and each is conventional on its own.
As far as the gravity mines are concerned, the mission brief did state that the ship had drifted some distance, not to mention any sensor array on a military vessel should pick up such mines, not to mention the navigational shields on the same military vessel should be enough to keep them away from the hull.
Unlike a submarine, which would be running blind unless using active sonar, in space, everything is exposed. A minefield would be nearly impossible to hide, unless disguised as some particularly big rocks, and a decoy.....
That wouldnt work either... The Klingons are lying in wait for you... The MOMENT you warp in, they decloak fire and you explode. There would be NO way, to stop, scan to lock on to the crew of the KM and beam them over before the Klingons could destroy you! Even Voyager in Prophecy needed about 30 seconds to get the Klingons over, thats 30 seconds which you would be open to attack... And you're ignoring the possible interference that KM hitting a gravitic mine in the first place may have caused to the entire area, or sensor/ comm jammers the Klingons might be using... So again creative, but wouldnt work...
I wonder what Capt Esteban of Grissem fared????
It’s a trap to lure federation ships into the neutral zone
Also in Beta canon, Ensign Nog passed the test when he attempted to negotiate with the attackers with all his Ferengi skill, which the test designers had never considered as a possiblity.
Actually, according to historical sources, it was not Capt. Ramirez who initially went to rescue the freighter it was Capt. Archer. It was also not prior to the Earth-Romulan War rather during it. Capt. Archer decided to turn away as Romulans were setting a trap to capture the NX class's most advanced ship. Decision would haunt Archer but it was the right solution.
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What class was it
I’d launch a probe to investigate to make shure it wasn’t a trap. Or use long range sensors to do the same. Should it be true I’d have comms broadcast a message that we were on a rescue mission on all frequencies and go to the Kobiashi Maru’s location at maximum warp. Once there i would begin conditioning the rescue operation. Should the enemy attack I would move to intercept putting my ship between the maru and the enemy. should the enemy engage I would use my ship to cover the maru and repair teams. as a part of this I’d lower the shield facing the maru to give more power to the other shields. Once the maru is repaired We’d conduct a fighting retreat back to federation lines. Potentially sacrificing my ship in the process. I’d order my crew to abandon ship and order my crew to rondevous with the maru. Meanwhile I’d give the computer the command to activate what I like to call the last man protocol (this could potentially also be done with the emergency command hologram aswell) and provide cover for the maru and my escaping crew.
How about the muti-tasking approach? Reroute all the power you can to weapons, shields, and transporters, then beam over Maru's survivors while firing every torpedo you've got at the bridges of the enemy ships.
The test is designed to be a No Win Scenario, so simple firing of weapons would never work! As even if you were able to hurt or destroy one of the ships, the other 2 would blow u up! Besides, you cant beam with shield up!
Wesley Crusher's one was "the psych test" - possibly more feared than the Kobyashi Maru
The ship looks like the star gazer
that was a Wesley specific test.. not generic to every cadet. plus that test was pre academy. decent overall
Like this video, this a Beta Canon video, thus it also uses beta Canon sources to flesh it out... According to Beta Canon, It is another version of the no win scenario, which makes sense... And that Every Cadet takes a version of this type of test. It also goes on to explain that the only reason Wesley took this test Pre Academy, was because it was a special set of circumstances, a specific competition to fill a spot that the Academy had opening up... NOT a regular occurrence for pre cadets!
I am now trying to come up with my own unique solution
I wish you the best of luck ;)
I never took the test myself.