So IMO, Set 1 was a much more constructed-focused set. Lots of staple effects to cement the feel of each Aspect. Set 2 and especially Set 3 feel much more focused on sealed and draft. Like the cycle of senators: cheap, high HP utility units will help with both exploit and coordinate. Obviously they are too expensive and clunky for Premier, but I think it's a mistake to expect them to be. Most of the coordinate units seem terrible for Premier, but the mechanic looks like it'll lead to some really interesting games in draft.
If what you say is true and this is intentional, then I fundamentally disagree with that design philosophy. You can make a set that brings a lot of news cards for constructed AND be fun to draft, Set 1 is a great example of that.
I totally agree with your analysis on Coordinate. Even with the coordinate effect, cards are just playable. If coordinate cards get already their effect without requirement then enhanced effect if coordinate it would have been more interesting
Impropriety Among Thieves says “if you do”. I believe that clause requires the prior clause to be completely fulfilled. Not sure you can do a full change of heart.
Lux Bonteri will also Ready/Exhaust Units against Exploit. So it's not just Now There Are Two, Han2, You're My Only Hope. I think he's a bit more solid than just playable.
First to comment - but already 4 views! 10am South African time...but appreciate you getting up and posting early in Europe - probably around same time? Going on to my very early lunch playlist :)
only 2:00 minutes in, and the first card had me thinking that, yes it is good...but it would be even better if it could exist as an ability without having the downside of being attached to a unit. I think SWU could benefit from "enchantment" like field cards that can have cool effect or actions like this, without the liability. Obviously there would have to be a way to remove them from play to make it fair....or even maybe once played it only lasts for X turns before removed. There are so many effects in the game i can think of that would be more useful if it didn't have the stipulation/downside of being on a unit card or upgrade card to last more than 1 turn.
Thanks for the reveals! First Question I have, how many games with Coordinate have you played? Then again to the cards you do seem not to be good like grim resolve. If you don't clear that overwhelm / ambush unit it will give you a lot of headaches and for sure playable in Han2. Especially if you do not have access to Surprise Strike usually. Also makes Redemtion a wild one. Thanks to for the Foresight and Thrawn interaction. I still hope he will get his chance :D Thanks for the videos.
Glad you liked the video :) I played games with coordinate cards, but I haven't tried to play a fully dedicated coordinate deck yet. My take on coordinate is that there are a few coordinate cards that are quite good, but the majority of coordinate cards are very underpowered and I don't think there is a critical mass of them to build a real competitive deck out of it. Just to give you a comparison for Grim resolve: Desperate attack is a FAR better card in Han2 and yet has not seen any competitive play. Conditional buff are never played in competitive because buffs are by nature conditional so adding a condition on top makes them too inconsistent. The interaction with redemption is strong but very situational, but good find :)
@@Thorrk_THT True. But as long as I haven't played Coordinate I can't put it into place. Even as with exploit cards like waylay are much more played to turn off Coordinate or Punish Exploit. That said I feel having an Exploit with Ambush is not bad as you immediately get value out of it. And sure Draft and Competitive are two types of shoes. Thinking about it I fell that The Grid card and the Prey one are cards that counter each other. But also I feel that Maul everything with overwhelm/saboteur and ambush now are quite a thread. Not icluding the new Maul able to attack two targets. Lets see what the smart minds make out of it :D
Definitely a lot of (underpowered) filler here! Out of the exploit cards, I do think Baktoid Spider Droid has some potential (if exploit is viable), a 5-6 ambush for 4 is very good, and even for 6 (exploit 1) it’s still alright. Can then be used as a barrage target (or Grievous can turn into a Sentinel, but not sure Grievous will be good…).
Grim Resolve is one of the card I really dig! It's not rare that you have something big-ish damaged on the board and it could be a game ending card. edit: How is a 6/7 for 5 vehicle not exciting? I know I know, nothing when played...
Breaking In is just a more expensive Precision Fire minus the Trooper requirement. And PF got very little play. It can boost anything, yes, but is it worth it?
Yes but not having that restriction is MASSIVE, there is nothing worst than conditional buff, I might I've been a bit carried away on my rating, but it's MILES better than precision fire.
It did not see major competitive play, but it did get some play as a surprise strike equivalent during Spark era. I used one in my Kylo Red deck as a 'you're not expecting this' surprise that rarely came up, but was a star when it did. Being able to increase offense *and* attack at the same time allows you to get around enemy defenses - and this allows us to get around defenses in a second way. That being said, unless sentinel becomes dominant in the meta, I doubt I'll choose Breaking in over Surprise Strike.
Is there any non yellow card playable in this 3d set? Considering that yellow is already weak since the release of set 1 (LUL) - as Boba leader for example (re-LUL), I wonder where the designers want to lead the game... " A tremendous amount of fillers" you said? Seems to be accurate unfortunately...
I think the feeling of this set being weaker than set 2, is because it doesn't have these insanely pushed cards like Wrecker, Poe, Dragon, etc. The powerlevel feels more evenly distributed than on set 2. I gotta say though, I'm much more excited for this set than the last one. I'm excited to try and build lots of leaders from this set, while on set 2 we were mostly going like "ok, so I just put these OP new cards into the best decks from last format...okay, I guess...".
I totally agree that the powerlevel of the set seems flatter than set 2 while remaining on the weak side, however there more exciting build around leaders Palpatine, Yoda and Dooku.
@@Thorrk_THT Palpatine in particular should make for a super fun puzzle. Even if it's not good, trying to find the best possible build will be a blast on its own.
Desperate attack is far better in young Han than grim resolve and yet has not seen any competitive play. Conditional buff are never played in competitive because buffs are by nature conditional so adding a condition on top makes them too inconsistent.
@@fry9000 I guess it depends on your definition of what "works". On this channel I give an opinion on whether those cards are competitive or not. I don't know what "work" means.
I agree at least with some of the common cards. There’s a lot of if/thens and too many conditions for some of them to come online, but I’m hopeful some things come online sooner and more often than we imagined. I’m all in on Exploit lol
@@Thorrk_THT Drops hit life to 5 which makes him easier to be removed event with armor attached on him. Also, his power goes down by 2 which negates bonus from armour. Additionnaly when it is atatched it exhautes Boba which is sometimes can prevent him from attacking and then attaching armour thanks to untapped resurces.
@@stempiendaniel If you plan is to negate the effect of the armour, how about you just get rid of the armor entirely with confiscate for a third of the price, or even steal the armor with evidence of crime.
My questione about jin erso is: Is this better then Rebel pathfinder or Alliance X Wing as far as 2 drops goes (Awing and Marine and Sabine are auto include)?
It's not better than Alliance X-wing because Sabine needs space units to arena dodge, but I am pretty confident that's it's better than Rebel Pathfinder (unless we are in a weird meta when there a lot of 2/2 shielded units)
@@Thorrk_THT that is a weird example since if i play against those units, they are attacking the base and not unit, and so am i if i am playing Sabine green. Also i struggle to see how the ability could ever go off between the timing and the fact that Sabine wants to hit bases not units. I would like it much more if it had saboteur always on and nothing else
You say that the Official cards have no other purpose. Isn't their purpose to be an early game body with staying power to get you Ccordinate? I understand that your focus is competitive play and Coordinate likely won't be competitive but it is very clear that a 1-drop that is 0/4 or 1/4 is designed for that purpose. So, when you talk about being confused about Coordinate, which I don't disagree is a questionable ability, these Republic officials aren't part of your analysis. I think you're ultimately right, but it just bothers me that you ignore relevant cards that are designed to proc abilities. I wouldn't be playing any 1 drop Senator for their abilities. It is for the hit points.
The thing is that there are far better cards that can achieve that role in the game already Old R2 , moister farmer, clone deserter to name a few. I am sure those cards have their purpose in limited but I review cards for constructed only.
I Hope and I think you are wrong with Coordinate. You need to have the coordinate to be really good yes but a lot of tool to spawn à lot of nuits in play and take advantage of it. Even control can’t Vanquish 3 unit per round
There are definitely tools to spawn those units, but most of those unabler cards are bad and wildy over costed, the pay off are also quite weak. The trick is that you don't need to kill all three units to disable coordinate just one of those 3, then you instantly turn your units into garbage. And the real problem is that even with coordinate turned on, those units are only slightly better than average.
No Obi wan Unit is a crime. And anakins unit is terrible. They are the face of the clone wars. I don’t know what FFG was thinking. At least make them rares if not legendaries. I was so hyped for this set. And now I’m just disappointed. I have two boxes pre ordered and I think that’s all I’ll be getting other than locals packs.
I agree that Obi has been done dirty in this set, no obi unit is weird and the leader didn't get any support. For Anakin I disagree, Anakin unit is quite playable notably for its synergy with "there are two of them". Anakin leader is one of the best in the set. I agree that we are still waiting for major characters having the Luke/Vader treatment.
It seems like some of the new keywords being added aren't as well balanced as they could be. I noticed it in set 2 with Smuggle, where they'd lower the power of a unit to make up for the versatility, but all that meant is the card is understated from hand and WAY under stated from Smuggle. So we ended up with only a few cards that are really playable from Smuggle, and almost none of them are units. They did the same thing in set 3. They blocked abilities that make units playable behind Coordinate, and they raised the cost of Exploit cards so high that to play them for cost is unsustainable. They've created a situation where competitive decks are going to be about 90% value plays without those keywords (which means mostly set 1 cards), filled out with the few cards that are situationally useful with the new mechanics. The only hope in my mind is that that's so obviously the case that no one sideboards the plentiful anti-token options and an Exploit deck can take a tournament or two by surprise
That’s pity the editor of SWU did such a poor job (at least in France) that number of players has dropped dramatically. Weekly play reward are poor (no Value compared to other TCG) same for store showdown rewards. No real incentive in playing the game on long run, though on game design standpoint it’s really good. Probably not the good place to share my thoughts but it’s really frustrating. Otherwise nice analsysis as usual !!
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So IMO, Set 1 was a much more constructed-focused set. Lots of staple effects to cement the feel of each Aspect.
Set 2 and especially Set 3 feel much more focused on sealed and draft. Like the cycle of senators: cheap, high HP utility units will help with both exploit and coordinate. Obviously they are too expensive and clunky for Premier, but I think it's a mistake to expect them to be.
Most of the coordinate units seem terrible for Premier, but the mechanic looks like it'll lead to some really interesting games in draft.
If what you say is true and this is intentional, then I fundamentally disagree with that design philosophy. You can make a set that brings a lot of news cards for constructed AND be fun to draft, Set 1 is a great example of that.
I totally agree with your analysis on Coordinate. Even with the coordinate effect, cards are just playable. If coordinate cards get already their effect without requirement then enhanced effect if coordinate it would have been more interesting
The 3/1 coordinate damages a unit in the same arena as YOUR unit that took damage. So you can do either ground or space.
Forget Sabine, Jyn helps my LEIA deck 😮😊
Impropriety Among Thieves says “if you do”. I believe that clause requires the prior clause to be completely fulfilled. Not sure you can do a full change of heart.
Lux Bonteri will also Ready/Exhaust Units against Exploit. So it's not just Now There Are Two, Han2, You're My Only Hope. I think he's a bit more solid than just playable.
Especially in limited...
First to comment - but already 4 views! 10am South African time...but appreciate you getting up and posting early in Europe - probably around same time? Going on to my very early lunch playlist :)
Yes I like posting in the morning so European can check out my videos while commuting to work.
@@Thorrk_THTThat's exactly what I do haha
only 2:00 minutes in, and the first card had me thinking that, yes it is good...but it would be even better if it could exist as an ability without having the downside of being attached to a unit. I think SWU could benefit from "enchantment" like field cards that can have cool effect or actions like this, without the liability. Obviously there would have to be a way to remove them from play to make it fair....or even maybe once played it only lasts for X turns before removed. There are so many effects in the game i can think of that would be more useful if it didn't have the stipulation/downside of being on a unit card or upgrade card to last more than 1 turn.
Thanks for the reveals! First Question I have, how many games with Coordinate have you played? Then again to the cards you do seem not to be good like grim resolve. If you don't clear that overwhelm / ambush unit it will give you a lot of headaches and for sure playable in Han2. Especially if you do not have access to Surprise Strike usually. Also makes Redemtion a wild one. Thanks to for the Foresight and Thrawn interaction. I still hope he will get his chance :D Thanks for the videos.
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Glad you liked the video :)
I played games with coordinate cards, but I haven't tried to play a fully dedicated coordinate deck yet. My take on coordinate is that there are a few coordinate cards that are quite good, but the majority of coordinate cards are very underpowered and I don't think there is a critical mass of them to build a real competitive deck out of it.
Just to give you a comparison for Grim resolve: Desperate attack is a FAR better card in Han2 and yet has not seen any competitive play. Conditional buff are never played in competitive because buffs are by nature conditional so adding a condition on top makes them too inconsistent. The interaction with redemption is strong but very situational, but good find :)
@@Thorrk_THT True. But as long as I haven't played Coordinate I can't put it into place. Even as with exploit cards like waylay are much more played to turn off Coordinate or Punish Exploit. That said I feel having an Exploit with Ambush is not bad as you immediately get value out of it. And sure Draft and Competitive are two types of shoes. Thinking about it I fell that The Grid card and the Prey one are cards that counter each other. But also I feel that Maul everything with overwhelm/saboteur and ambush now are quite a thread. Not icluding the new Maul able to attack two targets. Lets see what the smart minds make out of it :D
Definitely a lot of (underpowered) filler here!
Out of the exploit cards, I do think Baktoid Spider Droid has some potential (if exploit is viable), a 5-6 ambush for 4 is very good, and even for 6 (exploit 1) it’s still alright. Can then be used as a barrage target (or Grievous can turn into a Sentinel, but not sure Grievous will be good…).
Looks like Yellow Villainy is the way to go.
I'm thinking the same thing!
I would probably test corner the prey with Maul leader. On an unit that already attacked and survived it can definitely hit big numbers.
god, cad bane can capture an avenger.
The days are going to go by so slowly, I wanna open my packs already
hope I can help make it go faster :)
Grim Resolve is one of the card I really dig! It's not rare that you have something big-ish damaged on the board and it could be a game ending card.
edit: How is a 6/7 for 5 vehicle not exciting? I know I know, nothing when played...
Also having 3 unit in play on TOP of the vehicle is not easy at all. and the pay off for doing so is indeed not very exciting.
Breaking In is just a more expensive Precision Fire minus the Trooper requirement. And PF got very little play. It can boost anything, yes, but is it worth it?
Yes but not having that restriction is MASSIVE, there is nothing worst than conditional buff, I might I've been a bit carried away on my rating, but it's MILES better than precision fire.
It did not see major competitive play, but it did get some play as a surprise strike equivalent during Spark era. I used one in my Kylo Red deck as a 'you're not expecting this' surprise that rarely came up, but was a star when it did. Being able to increase offense *and* attack at the same time allows you to get around enemy defenses - and this allows us to get around defenses in a second way.
That being said, unless sentinel becomes dominant in the meta, I doubt I'll choose Breaking in over Surprise Strike.
Is there any non yellow card playable in this 3d set? Considering that yellow is already weak since the release of set 1 (LUL) - as Boba leader for example (re-LUL), I wonder where the designers want to lead the game... " A tremendous amount of fillers" you said? Seems to be accurate unfortunately...
I have few non yellow deck for set 3 which I think are pretty good you will get to see them soon enough.
I think the feeling of this set being weaker than set 2, is because it doesn't have these insanely pushed cards like Wrecker, Poe, Dragon, etc. The powerlevel feels more evenly distributed than on set 2. I gotta say though, I'm much more excited for this set than the last one. I'm excited to try and build lots of leaders from this set, while on set 2 we were mostly going like "ok, so I just put these OP new cards into the best decks from last format...okay, I guess...".
I totally agree that the powerlevel of the set seems flatter than set 2 while remaining on the weak side, however there more exciting build around leaders Palpatine, Yoda and Dooku.
@@Thorrk_THT Palpatine in particular should make for a super fun puzzle. Even if it's not good, trying to find the best possible build will be a blast on its own.
Grim Resolve works in Young Han.
Desperate attack is far better in young Han than grim resolve and yet has not seen any competitive play. Conditional buff are never played in competitive because buffs are by nature conditional so adding a condition on top makes them too inconsistent.
@@Thorrk_THT Doesn’t mean it doesn’t work 😉
@@fry9000 I guess it depends on your definition of what "works". On this channel I give an opinion on whether those cards are competitive or not. I don't know what "work" means.
Set 3 as a whole seems very underwhelming for what „clone wars“ content i expected
I agree at least with some of the common cards. There’s a lot of if/thens and too many conditions for some of them to come online, but I’m hopeful some things come online sooner and more often than we imagined. I’m all in on Exploit lol
@@NAHS1493 yea not surprised villainy gets the better key word. Villainy fetish confirmed again
Perilous Position holds Boba wit armour nicely so it is good xd
How so?
@@Thorrk_THT Drops hit life to 5 which makes him easier to be removed event with armor attached on him. Also, his power goes down by 2 which negates bonus from armour. Additionnaly when it is atatched it exhautes Boba which is sometimes can prevent him from attacking and then attaching armour thanks to untapped resurces.
@@stempiendaniel If you plan is to negate the effect of the armour, how about you just get rid of the armor entirely with confiscate for a third of the price, or even steal the armor with evidence of crime.
Don't think you can play Inflitrating Demolisher for 0, Exploit 1 means you can only sacrifice 1 unit to reduce it's cost by 2.
Dooku leader ability would mean it gets exploit 2 and can cost 0
Hold-Out Blaster for Jango is a tap for 1 resource.
Good point! but I am not sure if jango even wants that. Also Jango is not seeing play until boba gets banned ;)
@@Thorrk_THT Not true gosh! In a competitive scene maybe. But people WILL want to try other leaders.
@@zors5188 I only talk about competitive on this channel in case you didn't realize ;)
@@Thorrk_THT right, my bad haha. I prefer looking at the broader scene
Why would boba get banned ? Did they mention anything about it ?
You can check out my video about the boba problem for more details about that.
The developers did mention that they are closely looking at him.
Strategic analysis looks like a card for Pre Vizla. Drop this and flip. Is it good ? Probably not, but at least it has a synergy.
There imo more efficient ways to draw cards in red.
@@Thorrk_THT not in limited :)
@@MegTheWarpsmith my first impression only deals with constructed.
Thought still 10 cards left yet
No I am pretty sure that's it, if there are leftover they are reprint.
My questione about jin erso is: Is this better then Rebel pathfinder or Alliance X Wing as far as 2 drops goes (Awing and Marine and Sabine are auto include)?
It's not better than Alliance X-wing because Sabine needs space units to arena dodge, but I am pretty confident that's it's better than Rebel Pathfinder (unless we are in a weird meta when there a lot of 2/2 shielded units)
@@Thorrk_THT well trade a unit for a clone token does not feel great ahaha
@@riccardocorradini6713 What do you think is going to see more play? Clone token or battelfield marine/sabine ?
@@Thorrk_THT that is a weird example since if i play against those units, they are attacking the base and not unit, and so am i if i am playing Sabine green. Also i struggle to see how the ability could ever go off between the timing and the fact that Sabine wants to hit bases not units. I would like it much more if it had saboteur always on and nothing else
@@riccardocorradini6713 bro 3 attack will allow you trade back if you get attacked vs 3 hp unit, obviously your guys is attacking base
You say that the Official cards have no other purpose. Isn't their purpose to be an early game body with staying power to get you Ccordinate? I understand that your focus is competitive play and Coordinate likely won't be competitive but it is very clear that a 1-drop that is 0/4 or 1/4 is designed for that purpose. So, when you talk about being confused about Coordinate, which I don't disagree is a questionable ability, these Republic officials aren't part of your analysis. I think you're ultimately right, but it just bothers me that you ignore relevant cards that are designed to proc abilities. I wouldn't be playing any 1 drop Senator for their abilities. It is for the hit points.
The thing is that there are far better cards that can achieve that role in the game already Old R2 , moister farmer, clone deserter to name a few.
I am sure those cards have their purpose in limited but I review cards for constructed only.
I Hope and I think you are wrong with Coordinate. You need to have the coordinate to be really good yes but a lot of tool to spawn à lot of nuits in play and take advantage of it. Even control can’t Vanquish 3 unit per round
There are definitely tools to spawn those units, but most of those unabler cards are bad and wildy over costed, the pay off are also quite weak. The trick is that you don't need to kill all three units to disable coordinate just one of those 3, then you instantly turn your units into garbage. And the real problem is that even with coordinate turned on, those units are only slightly better than average.
No Obi wan Unit is a crime. And anakins unit is terrible. They are the face of the clone wars. I don’t know what FFG was thinking. At least make them rares if not legendaries. I was so hyped for this set. And now I’m just disappointed. I have two boxes pre ordered and I think that’s all I’ll be getting other than locals packs.
I agree that Obi has been done dirty in this set, no obi unit is weird and the leader didn't get any support.
For Anakin I disagree, Anakin unit is quite playable notably for its synergy with "there are two of them". Anakin leader is one of the best in the set. I agree that we are still waiting for major characters having the Luke/Vader treatment.
It seems like some of the new keywords being added aren't as well balanced as they could be. I noticed it in set 2 with Smuggle, where they'd lower the power of a unit to make up for the versatility, but all that meant is the card is understated from hand and WAY under stated from Smuggle. So we ended up with only a few cards that are really playable from Smuggle, and almost none of them are units.
They did the same thing in set 3. They blocked abilities that make units playable behind Coordinate, and they raised the cost of Exploit cards so high that to play them for cost is unsustainable. They've created a situation where competitive decks are going to be about 90% value plays without those keywords (which means mostly set 1 cards), filled out with the few cards that are situationally useful with the new mechanics.
The only hope in my mind is that that's so obviously the case that no one sideboards the plentiful anti-token options and an Exploit deck can take a tournament or two by surprise
That’s pity the editor of SWU did such a poor job (at least in France) that number of players has dropped dramatically.
Weekly play reward are poor (no Value compared to other TCG) same for store showdown rewards. No real incentive in playing the game on long run, though on game design standpoint it’s really good.
Probably not the good place to share my thoughts but it’s really frustrating. Otherwise nice analsysis as usual !!