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The founder of the Motessori schools was Maria Montessori. She was Italian born in 1870 in Chiaravalle Italy. She died in 1952 in Noordwijk, the Netherlands. So yeah... there are Montessori schools in Europe. (and yes, it is with double s, not a single one)
My parents had me baptized when i was born. I had no choice. They put me in a catholic school. I had no choice. I hated it. When i got older, i totally turned against religion. Now I had a choice. I felt brainwashed at that school. When i turned my back on religion, i felt liberated, freed from all this nonsense.
as a christian reformed orthodox, same... and yet they think im in the wrong for thinking religion isnt the answer to everything
Still hoping the teacher who told non believers are at risk of turning into Hitler got fired
Why fire someone who actually tells the truth!
Or is it to hard for you to accept the truth, i think the latter!
@@janusx66 What truth? Hitler went to a Catholic school and served as a choirboy in his local cathedral.
@@janusx66 Oh the irony, Hitler was religious (he had no love for the church but did believe in a higher power), he came from a religious (Catholic) background and the Nazi soldier were motivated by the idea that they were doing God's work...
I guess they forgot to mention this in your history class?
'gott Mit uns' was literally one of Hitler's army's slogans.
You got a Catholic education but they failed to mention that Hitler was Catholic?
@@janusx66 And the award for online idiot goes to ? Janusx66 .. a round of applause everyone.
Totally agree. Religious-free schools and let the parents choose if they want to teach their children "a" religion. Agree with Lubach, schools are there to unite and not to divide. Not saying that every religious school divides, but religion should not be 'taught' at school.
Thanks for sharing and for your reaction.
I went to a Roman-catholic school where they only had 3 times church a year around the major Christian days, that were 3-4 hours church times and there was singing and a bit of story telling. There were standards that had to be met but even if the children were Muslims or any other religion or not religious they still were allowed in. Apart from the church and the practicing of some songs in class before church religion was never mentioned once in class. Most children weren’t religious, the same for the teachers. I think it’s good to have schools like that who teach actual manners and expect them from the start but apart from that just teach the important stuff that children should be thaught at school and not the religious indoctrination like you saw in the video. It was a school with 650 students and only like 10% from all of them had a religion at all
10.00 that is really shocking. I find it more than disgusting children in some schools are being brainwashed into that crap.
A school is a brainwash institution by deffinition!
Where do you think that whole lhbtiq+ thing came from huh ?
Richard Dawkins went to an islamic school once to ask about what they teach there. That also was pretty shocking. (just like loads of secret recordings in such schools in the U.K.)
You can find that all here on RUclips.
Just found this video randomly and I gotta say I love how well you understand and get all the humor! Greetings from the Netherlands :)
And he is so right, I was send to a Christian secondary school as a non-christian (because it was a smaller school, and that would be better for me according to my primory schools head). But is was hell. I always got picked out in religious class by the teacher trying to convert me. I was bullied and left out because I didn't believe.
wow ik weet niet wanneer je op school zat. maar ik heb dat gelukkig niet gehad. maar het kwam ook wel vaak voor dat mijn klasgenoten ook niet in God geloofden.
never expected to see people outside the netherlands watch these video's, but it's great
I went to catholic schools, where religion was a topic. Instead of teaching about the catholic belief, we got educated on all major beliefs. I don't see a problem with these types of education as long as they don't use the religion as a gatekeeper and keep to the national curriculum. Unfortunately I can see how this can be abused. The same goes for non religious schools, just on other topics. Fortunately "de onderwijsinspectie" (Education Inspectorate) filters out a lot of these excesses.
Het Scheppingsverhaal is geen educatie, maar indoctrinatie.
I couldn’t agree more 👍🏻
Yeah, went to a catholic school as well. But that was just a name I feel like. We also had a Muslim in class. But most catholic schools are not that serious I feel like, reformative schools are
Of course schools should still teach religion (preferably all the major ones) but it's when they preach them that I find concerning.
@@cristakampert8740 I went to a protestant school and we also had Muslims in our class. They even got days off for Islamic celebrations. The only thing Christian about our school was praying, reading a bit from the bible or a bible related text just for kids and singing some psalms.
Atheist here.
I once applied for a job as network manager on a religious school.
During the job interview they said they were very impressed with my resumé, but they wanted to know what religion I had.
Yeah none, but that won't affect my abillity to work with their computers.
"Yes but would you be willing to pray in public for the school on easter or christmas?"
- "Well, if that's required of a network manager, then sure, yeah I'll pray for the kids and the teachers if you want."
"But will you be completely convinced of that prayer, till in the deepest part of your SOUL?"
- "Well I have no reason to believe that there is such a thing as an immortal soul, and I also would just be saying words to the people that should sound convincing to them, but no: I won't believe those words that I will speak in such a situation that apparently is something that a network manager should do."
The job was given to a religious guy.
Ik neem aan dat er ergens in de naam van de school al af te leiden was dat ze dat belangrijk vonden?
Bij ons in de wijk zit er een zwaar gereformeerde school en die gebruiken hun Grondwettelijk recht op de zelfde manier. Dat is hun goedrecht.
Ja hoor, het was vooraf al duidelijk dat ze streng gelovig waren en ik neem aan dat discriminatie op grond van religie hun goed recht is, maar ik vind het wel wat bezopen; moet zelfs de ICT'er diep gelovig zijn? Je moet gewoon de computers aan het lopen houden. @@Treinbouwer
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Maria Montessori was born in Italy but lived in the Netherlands the home base of the Montessori school
Thank God (pun intended) the majority (58%) of the people in The Netherlands is non-religious. Despite this crazy school system we have.
I guess nothing wrong with those that want to follow a religion but maybe its indeed best to transform all the schools into public schools where religion is not taught during the regular lessons. But in addition create the possibility at every school to sign up for additional religion classes. Aside from your regular classes. Like a school club, (school sport team or bookclub etc. But then for religion)
That policy was already in effect in the '50's. I went to a public primary school and it was possible to take that option (in Amsterdam at least).
I went to a Montesori school as a kid here in the Netherlands, never knew that was special
I went to a catholic school but they didn't do anything with religion. In addition my parents sent me to bible class at the church (1 or several years i cant remember) but i never cared for any of that.
In the end religion itself is not what teaches you to be a good person, it's your parents, school and environment where you grow up
I'd disagree with the dichotomy you propose between the religion and being taught by those around you.
In catholisism, the church (not the building but rather the people adhering to the faith) is the body of christ. Hence being taught to be a good person by your parents , school and environement is what the religion entails.
Truth! I always find it scary when religious fanatics think that atheists must be evil because they don't believe that someone is watching them.
So those people NEED to feel that they're being observed and judged to prevent them from doing horrible things?
Actually I have known someone who was a religious fanatic and he lost his faith when his father died. He became a horrible human being who tried to make everyone's life miserable every day.
Of course I also know great religious people, some are VERY religious and even a lesbian couple are deeply religious. They just interpret the whole gay stuff in the Bible differently.
What creeped me out was a very religious couple who got a miscarriage at some point. They were smiling and talking really casually about their loss because hey: God called their unborn child to Him and everything what God wants and does is good, so the fact that the child died in the womb could only have been a good thing, in their eyes.
Their 6-year old son was only allowed to listen to religious organ music, and television was completely taboo. He also only was allowed to drink tea and milk, anything else was "candy" and that was not allowed. The kid looked 4 years old, was very thin and pale and always seemed extremely frustrated.
@@MarcelNL Fanaticism is usually problematic. I don't think atheists are evil, I rather think atheists do not exist. When push comes to shove the main difference between someone claiming to be an atheists and a theist is that the theist calls his/her god 'god' and the self proclaimed atheist prefers to call his/her god 'reality' instead.
The vast majority of arguments on both sides attempting to convince the other side are fallacious. I consider the whole 'atheist vs theist' idea to be a false dichotomy.
As someone from the Netherlands that understood the original langauge, I can say some jokes are surely country-bound
@1.36 Lol, look how young our history teacher Hans Goedkoop is.
I myself went to a Catholic school, neatly separated, a girls' school and a boys' school. That didn't matter on the street, when we played together with children of all kinds. It was the parents and the church that determined everything for us.
In the village where I later lived and had children, there were only two Catholic schools. I then deregistered as a believer, because the village was growing rapidly and a school might have to be added and I did not want my vote to count in the segregation. As a result, my children were allowed to stay, but were not allowed to participate in festivities with a religious slant.
TEACH THEM TO THINK.
NB: elementary school (or a better word for it is primary school) is the first 8 years of education, so from 4 to 12. Then you go to secondary school...
went to a religious primary school. doing the little prayer at the start and end of each day was annoying, but other than that, they weren't too strict, I could be atheist and make my homework assignment on the big bag and stuff. I do think all forms of religion in schools should be banned though.
If you agree that school is a place where you hear about different views, different theories, and your whole perspective widens, you can't ban religion from schools, then you should properly teach about all of the religions, you should teach both evolution and creation, you should objectively explain the likeliness and the uncertainties of all sides.
Almost all the non religious schools right now still aren't objective. They tend to have chosen atheism, and the evolution theory.
Thats still pushing the kids a certain direction. And it makes sense, if you think or believe something is a certain way, you want to teach the kids the same. Because you are convinced that's the truth, and you want the kids to have the truth.
But fact is that there are multiple huge groups with very different beliefs on this matter, and the group of atheism and evolution is one of these groups.
So if you want to teach kids that way, the christians will want to teach them their way, and the muslims their, etc.
So the way to make this truly objective is to teach them all the viewpoints. But the question is if you should. Especially at younger ages, you would just confuse the kids a lot. They aren't at an age to make up their minds about these things yet, and it is way easier to tell them something as the truth.
Its just odd that Dutch non belivers (the majority of the country!) are paying taxes for schools their kids arent even allowed into.
I went to a conservative catholic elementary school. It was right in front of the church and we had to sing there a few times per year. My mother used to be a nun and she wanted us to go to church a few times per month. On top of that I had to become an altar boy and my father later became a sextant.
After the catholic elementary school I went to a christian havo.
I really hated it there. All what the teachers could do is kick you down, make you believe that you're not smarter than anyone else. Just obey.
And the fun thing is: even as a child I never believed in Jesus or God or anything that was in the Bible. When I found out that Sinterklaas wasn't real, I just decided that God was Sinterklaas for adults: he is always looking to see if you're naughty or nice and who is nice gets a treat (will go to heaven) and who is naughty will get punished. (Wie zoet is krijgt lekkers, wie stout is de roe.)
Why? If you don't want religion you have a lot of open schools to choose from. Just don't send your kids to a religious school if you're not religious.
In middle-sized or smaller towns there isn't much choice.
The better schools usually are the more religious ones.
My kid has the luck that we found a very tiny public school in a very nice, posh, small town. @@noahguijt4880
I don't have any problem with teaching children about religion. Just teach them about all of them and let them decide what da F they want to believe.
That's exactly what by far most religious schools do, I am christian and went to a christian school but i can tell you I probably know more about other religions than most people that went to non-religious schools.
As long as "Religions" is not a part of the dutch curriculum, religious school are and will be a necessity and a much better option than the non-religious school where kids are being told that around 63% of the world population are ridiculous people that ignore science... Talk about indoctrination.
I like lubach but this is very one-sided generalization. Similar to saying all muslims are terrorists / All catholics priests are rapists. He is just showing the absolute most extremist sides of religious schools and taking things out of context.
@@patrickrijkeeI went to a non-religious public elementary school and we were taught about religion too, all religions. Parents could opt out, but no one did.
By the way, I was never told that religious people are ridiculous and don’t believe in science (as if science is a belief…). You learn there are people like that out there when listening to religious extremists.
Most Dutch are not associated with any church. Most Catholic schools are Catholic in name only. In almost all situations the school follows the intentions of the parents, practically non-religious education, open to all, both pupils and teachers. The problem is exaggerated, or else many more non-religious schools would have been started.
I have a real issue with reformatorische scholen though. Actually feeding misinformation and religious bigotry and hate to kids. The rest of them are pretty ok. I went to a catholic school, never had anything about religion and very interesting lessons on evolution.
Same here. Went to a Catholic school where religion played no role in the classroom whatsoever. The majority of the pupils actually had an Islamic background as well
There it is my parents told me, you choose if you want to believe ore not, i had everything ad school, . thanks higly for this one ❣️
If it is not a fact, then they shouldn't teach it, and as far as I know every religion is just a belief and no fact at all.
They do teach evolution....wich is nothing but theory
@@amsterdamG2G what is based on facts
Is it a fact that christianity has been existing for about 2000 years now?
School rules about how to behave are not based on facts but rather on what the school board thinks to be best, so no rules about how to behave in school?
I think you approach is rather simplistic and cutting corners.
If you consider evolution to be of any valuable insight, then at least you'd have to admitt the evolutionary status of religion and it's ability to last longer than any kingdom on earth. Religion is what allowed human beings to form larger groups than mere tribal groups of max 200 individuals. I rather think you never seriously considered the evolutionary advantage of religion.
Strictly spoken, apart from perhaps Descartes 'Cogito ergo sum', everything human beings think they know are believes, not facts.
"as far as I know"
An often used combination of words when claiming something not to be the case based on one being unfamiliar with it being the case, in other words a classic ignorance fallacy (It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true).
@@amsterdamG2G This argument is often used by people that don't know what the scientific definition is of law and theory:
1. A scientific law usually explains a relationship between 2 forces or substances, it's quite simple. A theory is often more complicated and explains why things happen.
2. Both scientific law and theory are considered scientific fact. (A theory is a proven hypothesis).
3. Both laws and theories can be changed when new information is available (Newtons Law changed with Einstein theory of relativity).
@merelmoukje2229 .... so you believe nothing created everything? That's scientifically impossible.
So that's not fact, that's faith
The founder of Montessori education is the Italian Maria Montessori (1870 - 1952). She developed a new teaching method with which she radically broke the tradition of the year class system at the beginning of the 20th century. So it originated in Europe and in many European countries children go to this education. I am also a child of the Montessori school
What about social skills. Didnt hear you mention that.
Did go to catholic school, just coz the quality of the education was better than the other schools in the area. My parents actually dispise religion. P.E. and Religion were the only grades they didnt care about at all 😂. I believe we only had to pray in the lower years and then only in the 2hrs of religious education we had. In all other classes not a word about god was mentionned. A majority of the teachers wasnt religious either. I loved religious class, and i'm sure every religion teacher remembers me 😂, ... for being a giant pain in the ass, constantly reminding them the BS they're selling, oh man i really gave em hell and i'm proud of it.
But indeed, unlike in the NL, here in Belgium all schools, of any type have to adhere to certain minimum standards and rules. The state says : this is what kids need to know when they graduate, how you teach them is your problem 😂. Basic facts, like Darwinism and evolution are etched in stone in those rules, you cant go and sell creationism in schools here. Officially, that is. Coz if You do , you lose the licence and the funding. But It does happen, not often, but it has happened with 1 or 2 Islam schools.
About 49% of schools and universities are catholic, 49%public and 2% islam, jewish, ..
.etc ,but you can not deny a child access coz the parents are atheist or muslim etc...
What you see in practice is that both public and catholic have about the same mix. Kids with all different backgrounds. But in the Islam and Jewish schools you will ONLY find kids from religious families, and those have to and are being monitored more closely. Some find this discriminating, i find it common sense.
. I find that most parents dont care about what branch the school belongs to, they look at distance, availability and quality of education. Coz catholic schools here are pretty chill, dont put the emphasis on religion, and have a higher standard of education, even a die hard atheist like me had no problem attending them succesfully. ✌️❤️
I do so agree with him; schools should be neutral and should teach kids the basics of languages, math, science, biology, geography and so on. And not some FAITH! I went to catholic primary and secondary schools, I live in the south of the Netherlands and that’s predominantly catholic area. But I have never had to say prayer at the start of the day and the “religious“ classes were more about other religions then catholisism. I guess I live in a progressive, liberal society and I love it. It taught me about everything and gives me the room to make my own choices …
I do agree with you and also love that we live in a liberal society, except for that I sadly don't have the same experience as you concerning school. I went to a regular protestant (with maybe 10% of students being catholic) primary school in the middle of the country, I would say even quite progressive, but we had to start every morning with a prayer and ended the day with it and all received a bible when we left for secundary school. And secundary school was also a christian school, with the first 3 years having the focus on the 3 desert-religions and the latter two years a more worldly approach I would say.
Maria Montessori was an Italian and she gave us a teaching method that spread around the world.Why U are surprised?
I HAVE BEEN WAITING ON ANOTHER VID, please record a new Sunday With Lubach please
We have another video of Lubach today!
there always can be a "IF" ........ a student doesnt do religion , but can have a taste of it in his schooldays .... he doesnt need to do the daily hym ..... by force ! yes i was cristian , but pretty atheistic .... religion set some basic rules we can follow or not , then came law ! we learn compassion , and grief and joy in those days at school mostly thru religion , we learned how bullies are and who are really not friends at highschool . then life ...... since 16th not visited churches not as a weddinggueest or tourist ! i have standards in life learned .. and pretty much is positive for me , and learned . even in a happy life negativity challenges you ! 😁
That teacher does not know Hitler was catholic?
I went to a public school, but we had mandatory type of social class that taught about the most common religions in 5 and 6 grade. (For Dutch groep 7 & 8.) In this way I don't mind religion being taught, it is to look at different cultures and help to get rid of the discriminating ignorance you get when you haven't learned about it.
Worldclass Arjan, love him
My sister is a teacher at a Christian school and almost all the teachers are fake Christian included my sister😅. She prays, sings christian songs, read bible. The non christian teachers make jokes together. Even the head teacher is an atheïst.
Ik heb altijd op chistelijke scholen gezeten. Het is gewoon leuk om te mogen zingen bij de kerst en paasvieringing en om bij de kleuters palmpasen takken te maken en snt. Maarten te lopen. Het is jammer dat de communie en het vormsel niet in de klas konden, maar ik was wel blij er veel vrienden tegen te komen. Een van die scholen was vrij strict in het geloof, maar dat was ook een reden om goed orde te houden en echt wat tegen pesten te doen. Je hoefde daar niks te flikken, maar kreeg verder de ruimte om jezelf te zijn en jezelf te ontwikkelen en daardoor was je echt veilig in de klas. Ik ben (als katholiek) op een Katholieke basisschool begonnen en omdat die school niet goed was gewisseld in groep 6. Omdat ik daarna op protestantse scholen heb gezeten heb ik een vrij brede ondergrond. Het leidt afentoe tot wat komische en soms wat vervelende misverstanden, maar je begrijpt uiteindelijk beter hoe en wat. (Ik ben 19, ook nu nog speelt het echt een rol in het doen en laten van mensen.)
Zoals wel duidelijk is ben ik een voorstander van bijzonder onderwijs, in ieder geval Christelijk. Ik hoop later mijn kinderen ook met dit soort vieringen en toneelstukjes cathegese te kunnen laten krijgen.
Er moet alleen wat gedaan worden aan scholen die grondrechten niet respecteren en beroerd lesgeven, maar dat heeft niets met religieus onderwijs temaken en staat al in de wet.
Is je argument, als ik het even kort mag samenvatten, dat je op school je aan de regels moet houden en dat dat goed voor je was? Want dan kun je ook gewoon het leger in, hebben ze ook regels, en komen vaak vriendschappen uit voort. Op een openbare school worden ook liedjes gezongen en geknutseld hoor. Ik weet niet waarom je daar god voor nodig had.
Mand
Ik heb op een openbare school gezeten en wij deden ook zangvoorstellingen e.d. rond kerst. Wij kregen ook best wel e.a. geleerd over het christelijk geloof en de verschillende stromingen daarin, maar wel met een belangrijk verschil dat het niet werd geleerd als de waarheid maar als verschillende geloven. Dat moet ook wel omdat los van wat je zelf gelooft, het katholicisme, de reformatie, calvinisme, etc. allemaal nogal significant zijn vanuit historisch perspectief. Dat kan prima samengaan met geloof thuis en in de kerk, en er zaten dan ook wel christelijke kinderen bij mij op school.
Jouw kinderen kunnen sowieso cathagese krijgen buiten school. Ze kunnen ook lord of the rings les krijgen. Je mag ze alles wijs maken wat je wil, dat is jouw grondrecht. Je kan ze laten dansen als elfjes of verkleden als jezus of mozes of een kwade farao, doe dat lekker in de kerk. Het is voor mij pijnlijk om te zien dat kinderen op die wijze beinvloed worden maar het is jou recht. Net zoals ik het recht heb gekregen om mijn kinderen een atheistische/agnostische opvoeding gebaseerd op feiten te geven. De tijd dat mijn oma bekeuringen kreeg voor het verstoren van de zondagrust zijn gelukkig voorbij.
Het is voor mij moeilijk te verkroppen dat er dagelijks op scholen informatie aan kinderen wordt gegeven die wetenschappelijk incorrect is. Al helemaal gezien ik geld moet geven om mijn inziens de hersenen van deze kinderen nadelig te beinvloeden. Ik ben het ook met Lubach eens dat kinderen sowieso recht zouden moeten hebben op onafhankelijke informatie, dus voor afschaffing van speciaal onderwijs. Maar subsidies afschaffen lijkt mij een goede eerste stap.
Als een school algemene godsdienst les over diverse goden zou willen geven of een leuk dansje/muscial over mozes waarbij goed benadrukt wordt dat het wetenschappelijk niet bewezen is en het een legende betreft waar een deel van de bevolking in gelooft zou ik ook daar geen problemen mee hebben.
@@notmyrealnameifyWetenschappelijk incorrecte informatie? Ten eerste wordt op een school niet alleen maar wetenschappelijke informatie overgedragen. Opvoeding heeft weinig met wetenschap te maken. Ten andere kan het bestaan van God niet wetenschappelijk bewezen worden, maar het kan evenmin wetenschappelijk weerlegd worden. Dat in ogenschouw nemende, kan het geen wetenschappelijk incorrecte informatie zijn.
I went to a Roman-Catholic school where maybe from the 650 children 70 were Christian’s or catholics, 20 were Muslims, 10 from other religions and the rest had no religion at all and were atheists. The teachers were basically all atheists, but we still went to the church 3 times a year and had some stories from the Bible around Christmas and Easter but beyond that the church wasn’t even mentioned once in class. That is a school that should be every school. Having standards that children should follow on how to act around each other and stuff but still not indoctrinating them at all every day and only bothering them with it 8 times a year for no more then 3 hours in the church and 30 minutes of story time
Went to a Catolic elemantary and highschool. In both we where thought about all world relgions the only real Catholic thing we had on elementary school was the preparation for our first communion. Al the other 13 years i've spend on those school they never tried to convince me that either god excisted or to become catholic. Both schools thought us that that is personal choice. We had protestant and muslim children in class and they where treated equil like the should be. Most of the Catholic schools in the south in the Netherlands are like that. They where just Catholic schools because of some old traditions in our society. If you lived in the neighbourhood you went to the school in the neigourhood (except for some special need kids for wich the scjool couldnt provide) unless your parents where weird and didn't want you to go there.
I hope HC didn't think Montessori schools were an American invention.
Of course not. I just didn't realize that they had them EVERYWHERE :)
Nota bene: It is the national curriculum part of _bijzonder onderwijs_ that is publicly funded. Anything extra has to be payed for by the parents.
Exactly and that's why these schools are often perceived as higher quality: there are financial barriers in some of them.
Buma: "chapeau"
It's about time all the schools become neutral. All of them. Teach about the different religions if you need to, but schools themselves should be neutral.
They have to teach about the major religions because that is part of the curriculum (and rightfully so, personal beliefs aside, you can't deny the influence religion has on the world). This creates a weird situation on religious schools as well. In one lesson they'll be taught about catholicism and the reformation, and then in another lesson they'll essentially be taught that one of those is the correct one. Indeed, time to get rid of that.
Amen 👏🏻
So true, it's simply abuse
Everywhere I look, I see Americans telling 'Bless you' to other people.
It means shit, nada, nothing.
"I will pray for you", oh well thank you very much, that is a good way to do nothing at all and it costs nothing, also it doesn't do anything.
Earthquake in Marocco ? Lets pray for them ? Or would it be better to make a donation to the Red Cross ?
Go Arjen!
I'm Dutch and I have been to christian schools, all Catholic. But I was and still am not baptized. We did not pray at the start of the day. Only the last school I visited had a sort of religious intro at the beginning of the day, but that was no prayer. It was also the only school with a religious hour twice a week. But there were already teachers back then that found this kind of 'start of the day' at school not fitting. Because as a religious person you had your 'start of the day' already at home. It was redundant to do it again on school. These days they don't do that start thing any more. Wise decision, more time left for education. I have had only 1 public school for my Mavo, the rest all Catholic.
And I'm still not a religious person.
And.. wasn't Hitler a church-goer himself? Going to church was very common in those days.
I had the craziest combo. I went to a Christian school, and it was in an area with many muslim families so half my classmates were muslim. And the name of our school was Jewish. Oh and a quarter was Chinese or a few other Asian countries, and my sister was in the single class that was considered 'with the most successful well off children of the country' because of the largest percentage of kids that are now in the 1%. It's wild.
I'm glad the school didn't deny us because it was the only school in the area and I was already riding my bike for 15 min there every day. Then again if they only allowed Christian kids I don't think they'd have had that many people and it had to close anyway so.... But yeah, denying children on religious beliefs is imho ridiculous especially because I'm a strong believer all children deserve education and this shouldn't be limited to what's available in your area, forcing parents or children to travel further than necessary. Gladly many schools do the opposite lately and only allow children in the direct area and not anyone outside to prevent parents from 'picking the better schools' while the school has no place for actual locals.
I went to Christian schools as a child and teenager in the Netherlands (80's and 90's) and we got educated on all religions. We had a religion subject for 2 hours a week in middle school, but we weren't indoctrinated like that video. In elementary school we did pray, read the bible and sang bible songs.. but the education wasn't constantly about the bible. I'm honestly against religion for children, because they can be easily brainwashed into believing anything. It's for adults to decide if they want to be religious imho... I'm definately all for not funding religious schools anymore. Churches have their own sunday school (bible class), so no need for a christian school or other religious schools. Schools are also supposed to educate on all religions and teach democratic values and when children get taught that they can discriminate others who are 'sinners' and go to hell, that's not something that we should tolerate and publicly fund. It happens sometimes that schools get a formal warning, a fine or even threatened to get shut down because they teach horrible stuff to children. Also most of these schools are Christian schools and have lots of pupils who aren't even religious. Very religious schools in the bible belt might refuse a child, but the more liberal schools don't. So while most schools are religious, our country is quite secular.
I was on a religeus school and just 5 or so days had religie that day but tose were not brain washing or anything
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This ruling is completely outdated. All schools should be public, and religious educations should be an optional and non mandatory section after regular school ours.
To add. Most of the quotes he shows are directly from government websites.
Wait..... Woman aren't allowed to teach in Christianity... How did she get fired for "not being Christian enough".....
Some reasons are : getting a divorce, living together with a partner without being married, not going to church every week, ...
Religion is something personal and intimate. So keep that at home. Let education be what it is for. Nobody told me that there were two platypusses on that boat of Noah, or two bedbugs. You have the chance to get rid of all the shitty animals and you simply don't do that. That is criminal!!! You never fails to make me laugh with your reactions. Wonderfull post.
There's nothing wrong with religion, there's something wrong with the people practicing it.
As a Christian i can say some of this shit is weird
As wel as a citecens from netherlands
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Religion is a peronal affair not anedcationsl one
Apart from the .oney ftom the gouvernemet katholic school Also receive .money from the pope. Do nothing rqualabout that.
Yeah, well, religion is not about ‘making up your own mind’. Which is funny, because man was created after God’s image, and he definitely made up his own mind, being the creator. But I digress…
Indoctrination on Dutch schools is booming these days!! On many subjects, whom you probably can guess.
59.24% is actually less than i thought to be honest.
But i have no problem with this, im not particularly religious and i laughed at the Noahs ark joke, but i dont think its right to bash religion.
Also if the woke cancer, like transgenderism and the extremist lgbtq+ really takes hold here like it has in America im 100% sending my daughter to an islamic school
Time to polish up that Arabic mate. Trans people were here long before you bigots decided to get upset about it.
An Islamic school were they are only interested in drilling the Koran into pupils, sunat after sunat.
Wat een grappige man is het toch he. Wat hij vroeger tekort kwam gaat hij nu bij ons halen. De stakker.
Over wie heb je het nu? Is onduidelijk.....
@@suzettebakelaar Lubach . Zon onnozel manneke.
@@ringslangetje ah ok...