Overpriced and Disappointing! The $1300 AORUS Z790 Xtreme X
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Hetzner (Advertising)
1:21 Rating & scope of delivery
3:17 Extreme & Memory
4:15 How it looks like
5:59 Connectors & PCIe slots
7:22 CPU, RAM & M.2
7:34 BIOS update & Gigabyte Control Center
10:41 About the M.2 topic
12:45 I/O shield
13:40 The backplate & I/O-Shield disassembly
14:28 PCB, cooler & power supply
17:11 The memory topic
18:18 Power targets & benching
21:11 RAM clock: source of error?
24:09 We test the marketing
25:53 Summary/Conclusion
32:09 Outro 
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"Overpriced and Disappointing" could be a name of last few years in PC industry.
yes I'm one of the few fools who bought a glacial motherboard and I wish I had heard Linus tips before I did, in an old video he said "never buy high end motherboards with less customer base they have little to no support and feedback, buy the mid range who have more bios updates" and mine burned...biggest waste of money of my pc life I'm now running a msi z790 tomahawk ddr4, the bios is trash but feature wise it's better than 800+$ motherboards minus the 5.0 nvme slot which you really don't want ! in exchange for it I have 3 real useable pcie slots (5.0 nvme means you only ever have 1 and most of the time running at half speed) and 4 4.0 nvme slot which is more than enough..I can also use 4 sticks of ram which ddr5 can't do..yeah blablabla 4 sticks works..no they don't no review is ever made with 4 no youtuber actually has 4 in computer they use...ddr5 is still a 2 stick technology or it destroys your stability and clocks so no one really does it, just check techtubers and reviews it's alway only with 2 sticks "weird" this video also has 2 sticks...as I said no one is really running 4 and the bad thing has builzoid explained is that the empty slots act as antennas and bring interferences into the system
@@fredEVOIX Your right.
Well said!
Yes
Especially Gigabyte / Aorus products
At $1,300, that plastic cable cover shouldn't be plastic. At $1,300 you can afford to have that thing made from metal.
gigabyte now walking on same road with MSI
They are milking whales. Why are you complaining?
@@poppyrider5541If a million dollar luxury car had cheap plastic trim, I'd also be complaining.
i don't think having those made out of metal is a good idea. theres still exposed connector and if something happen it could short the board
Either way , a mobo should NEVER cost above $500 imho let alone $1.3k
I think Gigabyte made this board just to make their Tachyon and Master look like good deals!!!!
That kind of worked out 😂
It is honestly ridiculous how the prices climbed up when it comes to MBs.. I built new PC during the RTX20x0 era and while this was the time when GPUs etc started becoming more expensive it was still very passable. I bought Aorus Master for intel 9th gen for like 230 Euros or sth like that at the time. Pretty much top tier board for less than 300... These days you get basic crap without dual bios, post code or heatsink with fins for the same price when it should cost sub 100...
@@ak4sh455 Actually about the dual bios thing. I had gigabyte boards over the years with dual BIOS and they are a disaster!
Never worked! When I needed it to, it was stuck. When I didn't need to, it would revert to the second bios which did not support the CPU properly and I had no clear way of figuring out which bios it actually booted to. Even with the switch...
@@ak4sh455It's crazy how much the prices have climbed! I also bought the Z390 Aorus Master right when it was released and I paid like $290 for it and it is an awesome looking fully featured board...I mainly bought it because of the dual bios switch, which has saved me a couple times!
@@DLTX1007The Gigabyte dual bios boards that had the automatic switching were terrible! But the Z390 Aours Master had a physical switch and it has worked great for me...There is an LED that lets you know which bios you booted on if you borked one and it booted to the other...There is also a switch that can keep it from reverting to the back up bios...
I was expecting the "7-degree difference" to be tested by simply taping over the holes (because I assumed it's compared to not having them there), but if even pulling the air forcibly results in only 2 degrees... Yeah.
Yup, I expected the same
Same here, Bauer would have to build it into a case/tower though, so I understand why he didn't.
My old Z370 Aorus G7 board has a tiny little fan inside the IO that either blows over, or pulls air over the power stages, I've never heard it spinning (but it definitely is), so maybe they should've continued with that little trend instead.... I always liked telling people I have (had) TWENTY individual fans inside my tower (I actually did, double 240mm rads in push/pull for top and bottom of case, front 360mm in push/pull, rear 120, triple fan card, and then a rear compartment 90mm storage fan, but then I put the card into the loop and lost 3 fans lol) 🤣😅
It needs to be in a case with positive pressure to properly test.
I'm still wondering why he don't have any knowledge on Sound Blaster card. 😢
For a board that price, I'd expect PCIe switches for dual x16 slots or a full uncut x16 slot with multiple PCIe 5 M.2 slots.
What ? You expect to do some high-end stuff with a board wich is just marketed as "high-end" ? You want to connect more than 2 M.2 to it, to do some "nerdy stuff" ?? You should consider yourself lucky we don't make it explode this time ! Now shut up and give me your money !
- A Gigabyte higher-up, not probably
Gigabyte supports PCIe bifurcation on their PCIe 5.0 slot. So technically you can put 2 graphics cards on 1 slot.
That's what should be expected as a bare minimum for 400-500 €/$ considering what you got with x79,x99 and x299 which where probably cancelled because why not ask the same amount of money for a regular Z board when people still buy that and you can force the rest to buy even more overpriced server boards because they have no other choice. Also profit margins are much more important than consumer satisfaction what are you thinking.
I don't think the CPU can do more than 16 lanes of PCIE 5.0...You can use them all on your GPU or you can split them with a 5.0 M.2...This motherboard is only expensive because of the cosmetics and the R&D it took to put all the connectors on the side of the board...Nobody should buy this board and I doubt they expect many people will
@@brucepreston3927 With PCIe switches you can do pretty much anything.
They could turn Gen5x4 into Gen5x16 if they really wanted to.
The point isn't to necessarily get more bandwidth as the CPU is the limitation, it's to be able to connect more devices transparently and have them recognised at whatever lane count.
Love how technical he is then calls the air duct an air thing lol legend
thanks haha
“Cable hider thing”!!
I have made a review of an Z790 Elite X and made extended ram overlocking tests, and making a review of a Pro X and I could only get to 7600 Mhz manual overlock with 2x16 GB, the entire X lineup (including Xtreme and Master) is identical in terms of memory performance. They are better than previous non X boards in terms of memory, but only 400-600 mhz better. Do not expect anything more than 7200-7400 xmp, maybe 7600 xmp if you have 2x24 gb. Marketed 8266 - manual overlock with 2x24 with best cpu memory controller possible.
People need to stop buying these stupid fast 7800+ memory kits and expect them to work. You need and APEX or Tachyon for those.
😎😎
ye
Bold boy was right
Thank you for sharing this
Check out Framechasers review of Z790 X AX.
The fact these boards are more expensive than HEDT boards used to be is insane
Hedt at least gave us more memory channels. I mean good ddr3 in quad channel beat most ddr4 dual channel setups. I'd love to get something like Sapphire Lake and have 4 or 8 channels of ddr5, that bandwidth is absurd lol.
@@gex581990 Yeah - I miss there not being a decent substitute for the X79 V2 platform in this day and age.
Not insane, it's perfectly consistent with inflation rate. No need to thank me.
@Tacet137 when other things haven't moved with the "inflation rate" not many are about to buy that here.
Especially not this hard!
There is definitely some "component supply/pricing" play coupled with PUSHGA! more than anything here.
When other associated parts are going up in price, but get sold for the same if not less than last gen, we all need to see a novel's worth of charts to determine what and where at this point.
@@Tacet137 Inflation didn't go up 400% in the last 10 years.
Even Sheik is exhausted by the review outcome
Imagine how much simpler life would be without a glass side panel on your case.
Lol true, my first pc had one but as I've upgraded I moved away from colors and got a black case w/o glass. Far less annoying to look at.
@@anonym34566 pcs have power led for at least 35 years.
I don't use one. Also no RGB.. the LEDs that came with the mb and the GPU are turned off.
I'm still gaming and am happy, even I got -15% headshot rate in cs2 due to the missing RGB
Fine I'll stick with Perspex then... No really though, if your motherboard has error checking on it I find it pretty useful for diagnosing stuff. I get your point goes beyond that... But it's an extremely rare use case where it's actually useful.
No need to imagine, I bought a case with solid sides, they are not exactly common these days though.
Ill be honest. I was foolish for buying an ROG Crosshair X670E Hero for $700. However, it had the connectivity that I really wanted. With that being said, that was an insane price to pay for a motherboard. $1300 is unfathomable. I mean, WTF?!
At least when you go from a $400-$500 to a $800 motherboard you actually get some useful upgrades if you are a power user...Going past $800 gets you almost nothing but extremely overpriced cosmetics!
lol, I bought a ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme for 1k and never used it, it's still sitting at my feet eating dust. I built my AM5 rigs including 7800X3D in my ROG Strix X670E-I and my 7700X in my ROG Strix B650E-I, and still haven't found a use case to use that Extreme board. I daily drive a 5800X3D in my ROG Crosshair X570 Dark Hero for work and 7800X3D in X670E-I to game, and a 12900K+MSI Z690 Force for multimedia consumption. I have extra PCs with 13900KS+ROG Strix Z690-A D4 and 5950X+ROG Crosshair X570 Formula that I built for running AI and ML and ended up eating dust as well. Sometimes I just find products that are the most expensive/have the most features not always the solution, sometimes what people need is really simple stuff and they always fall into consumerism and end up purchasing a big order, without absolutely utilizing every feature and potential the product provides.
If you make like 300k usd income is it a lot for you? That's top 5% of Americans so nothing crazy. Top 1% is 900k... 1300$ for a mobo is not unfathomable, you are just not the target audience and that's okay
They should better just buy a ROG Z790 Dark Hero, or for overclockers get the ROG Z790 Apex Encore, no? Or if they want that small LCD screen on heatsink features, they can also get the MSI Z790 GodLike Max, I think the whole point OP is making is that this specific Gigabyte board is just a waste of money considering the status quo features it contains, instead of saying its for the wrong audience.@@Tacet137
@@Tacet137yeah that kind of pricing strategy is a good way to piss off the people who actually would buy your high end products and ensure they actively avoid your entire brand by association. Happens in a lot of industries and it never works out well long term.
I always love your directness and honest options and then the facts to back those options up.. Great review, not so great product.
Buying a motherboard for the price of a cheap car and still getting that Norton bullshit is a spit in the face
Its like paying 1300 for the priviledge of getting r@ped with the unavoidable perk of getting a dirty sanchez.
The board has to be using the iGPU to mirror the dGPU in order for Thunderbolt to actually work which means a simple DP-ALT to DP adapter should work if you want to use the iGPU for an actual display.
It's a $1300 board, I'd expect a proper fully coloured manual
But "think about polar bears !!!1!1!1!1!1!1!!!"
The manual should be rgb and made from magnesium at this price.
but muh environment
It's definitely about saving the environment, and not saving a bunch of money in publishing costs.
You're lucky it's not a digital manual lmao won't someone think of the trees
Thanks for your honest reviews! I wish these BIG companies would not lie as much to the consumers as they do now!
Competely agree on the disappointment with Gigabyte software. It takes away massively from the "perfection enjoyment" of my primary build (an X570, not this board, but still). Thank you, as always for your honesty and not talking down to your audience. Cheers
I have an elite ax z790 and I’m constantly contemplating getting rid of it. Over clocking was a nightmare. I updated bios and lost oc. Now I can’t be fucked to go through all that again
huge respect to you for calling Bullshit when you see it. You have earned a lot of trust over the years because you say it as it is. Appreciate all you do for us mere mortals.
i was on the fence getting this board, thanks you saved me a lot of money
this video has been more informative then almost all the videos ive seen all year. oh and im sure the 7 degree difference is the amount of heat the lcd display and i/o adds to the overall system temp and by having those holes directly under the lcd display helps to rid the system of most of the heat emitted by the display and i/o
The CR23 unstable is probably caused by the very low CPU core voltage on this motherboard. My ROG APEX ENCORE with the i9-14900K consumes nearly 400W when running CR23 by default, and with adaptive mode at -0.055V and LLC 4, it consumes 380W. When I undervolt to -0.1V, I encounter the same error as you did in this video.
What's the maximum voltage you see when hitting that 380w mark with your offset and what would the board give it without it?
@@DavidTMSN With offset -0.055V, the maximum VCore is 1.4V and 1.335~1.35V when full loading (running CR23), without offset the maximum VCore is around 1.45V and 1.39~1.4V when full loading...
@@Tube_Boy I imagine it'd be board dependent but getting to 1.4v max is pretty good although it's still a ton of power draw.
Asus maximus boards don't follow Intel spec they run unlocked limits that's why a 14900k will pull 400w out of the box
Conversely - ASUS motherboards are so overvolted by default they tend to cook CPUs... so basically, what this mean is that CR23 straight up doesn't work as intented with the current gen of CPUs, because you have to push them straight into destructive territory.
I’m pretty sure I’ve had 200 euro motherboards coming with more toys and accessories than that 😢
Not modern boards (AM5/LGA18xx) for sure. For 200, you could already consider yourself lucky if one of those have a PCB not made of wood.
Truth is people don't even want accessories since you don't need them. It's funny how a high end board can only have two expansion slots for us oldheads but lets be real - you've no reason to plug anything other than GPUs in, no need for accessories or options.
SATA etc? not needed, nobody wants it either. PC's have never been simpler yet everything just gets more expensive. They make up the lack of everything by covering it all in plastic panels and gaudy RGB lights.
Less toys is faster.
Threadripper, play a game ??????????
Thank you for this very detailed review! 🙏😊
Lissen, never change the intro with the cat on display! I love ittttt 🐱
I miss the days of a Motherboard costing £250/£300 being high end and now you don't even get all the features at that price point which is just sad
someone remembers! i miss the old days. i remember when £300-350 was a high price for a new high end GPU. some of these high priced mobo's are a joke too.. smothered in RGB with a bunch of cheaply made plastic childish gimmicks thrown onto it to appeal to gamers.
@@sausagefingers714 i agree i remember them also and i remember GPUs looking better and motherboards used to have awesome themes
This. My X79 mobo (about to get demoted) was all of $300 back then.
Still has way more than most of thes "high end" consumer motherboards.
It's seriously criminal.
Hell, Threadripper 1 motherboards are going 250 and trouncing that even, though there it makes sense.
After 2020 scarcity, they seem to think it's okay to just charge through the roof for something 1/4 as capable.
@@MaddJakd I know I agree
asrock x670e pg lightning for $230 exist, or pro rs. sub $275 and has 5 nvme slots no disable.
it's the "high end" market that's not high end anymore as much as it's meant to sell to idiot whales.
oh and 4 NVME slots z690s/z790s go sub $190 a lot.
Thank you for this review. I had seriously considered this board. After seeing your review, I would NEVER consider it. The biggest issue was the nvme drives along with other downsides.
I am very satisfied with the build I chose: ASRock Z790 PG-ITX/TB4 Intel LGA1700 Mini-ITX Mainboard ($334.99) in a Fractal Torrent Nano with a 13900K and 8tb Samsung 990 Pro. The entire build is really tight, but works really well. There are only 2 memory slots, which makes better sense given the channels provided.
Your in depth reviews are very much appreciated and have made a significant difference for me.
do you use gen 5 ssd or no? is there any difference in fps or work,because of gpu and ssd m2 line sharing?
@@Da_Mech666 The ASrock only supports gen 4 ssd. I use Samsung 990 Pro, 3 drives total 8tb. There is no effect (no line sharing) because it is pcie nvme with no ssd. The unit is production grade and has all the power of a full size desktop.
FYI: If you are planning a similar build, it looks like the parts and pieces are no longer available -- not the board and not the Fractal Torrent Nano case.
@@theplaintech thanx for the reply
Hearing you paying for review materials and giving honest feedback is refreshing bro 🤙🏻
thnx for the clear and balanced review. from the moment you showed the box contents onwards the whole thing just seemed half finished, like an early prototype :-(
i think the product i really want to see is your own individual take on the framework 16 laptop. (which unfortunately... does not have nvvidia gpu option). but just in all other respects from the product design. and how much further it can be taken.
the reason i request this product review: its because gaming laptops are actually pretty notorious for dying with dead gpu (or cpu, whatever else). and once broken they cannot be fixed in any economical or serviceable fashion. and anyhow this laptop also has other nice customization features, and other types of servicing or expansion / component replacement.
I am truly blown away by this outcome, who could have guessed paying 1300$ for a motherboard could end up as ill advised use of your money? Truly life changing revelations.
I almost thought it was a budget motherboard
These "extreme" consumer boards make absolutely no sense to anyone. Even if the manufacturers wanted to add bunch of cool features to it, none of the compatible hardware can utilize any of it. Even if it had alien technology room temperature superconductors in it, it still wouldn't make your PCIe 4.0 GPU or AM5/1700 socket CPU run any better, or give it more PCIe lanes.
There have always been boards built for the small percentage of PC builders that want to push the bleeding edge and run overclocks etc etc. Always been a niche product and over the years Gigabyte have built some exceptionally high end boards for those that want to push the limits. Sadly this board simply seems more like a money grab based on the reputation of past offerings.
consumers driven corps to increase mobo prices buy buying whatever corp throws at consumers, corps throw in a 1000usd mobo - consumers buy it anyway, corps get a mindset of charging whatever they want for mobo's because of us the consumers allowing it to happen... if no consumers buy 1000usd mobo's there will be no 1000usd mobo's because - no one buys them, if they exist means someone is buying them allowing corps to charge whatever they want... blame people for allowing it not corps for running with it lol
@@johnramsey8712 Yeah, but I mean, this isn't even a board to get cutting edge performances. An Apex or Tachyon would be what you want for that. This one is... pointless ? Or to be put in the same category as a pretty handbag from luxury brand : a way to burn money and show to have money to burn. No practical use
Couple of notes,
1. You have display output via the USB-C / TB4 ports for onboard/iGPU video
2.a. Most of the USB-A ports are using a Realtek USB HUB
2.b. Most of the internal USB 3.x ports are on hubs, likely also Realtek...
3.a. The 2.5GB eth port is Intel 226v (good)
3.b. The 10GB port is AQC107 multi-gig capable (meh Gen3 PCI-E, the newer AQC113CS supports Gen4, but these chipsets sometimes have disconnect issues unless you disable a lot of features)
4.a. Only 1 M.2 slot supports SATA, they all support x2, or x4 lane PCI-E
4.b. Only 1 M.2 slot appears to be dedicated 4 lane and not shared, (the one mentioned in the video below the top PCI-E slot)
4.c. All other M.2 slots (excluding the Gen5 above top PCI-E and Gen4 dedicated immediately below top PCI-E slot) share the total bandwidth of the Z790 chipset, which includes the 2.5GB nic, 10GB NIC, Thunderbolt ports, WiFi, lower PCI-E x16(x4 lane), etc. This is essentially 8 lanes of PCI-E Gen 4 bandwidth (x8 DMI 4.0)
5. The TB4 ports effectively share PCI-E lanes with some of the Gen 4 M.2 slots(lowest 3) and the lower PCI-E x16 slot (x4 lane slot), lan/wifi,etc. see below
Gigabyte does not define what is switched with what other than the top PCI-E slot in their manual.
Z790 should have as many as 28 lanes available (20x Gen4, 8x Gen3)
The lowest 3x M.2 slots running off the z790 chipset are all using x4 Lanes of Gen4 (x12 of 20 available lanes from the z790)
The Gigabyte manual lists only the devices hanging off the Gen3 bus, with a total of 12x lanes potentially used of x8 available, wifi (x1 lane), 2.5Gb LAN (x1 lane), 10Gb lan (x2 lanes), TB4 controller (x4 lanes) and the lower PCI-E slot (x4 lanes)
So if you want to use TB4, you might have to leave the lower PCI-E slot vacant? bad lane mappings on gigabytes part (some of these devices could have hung off the Gen4 lanes instead of Gen3 lanes
This board seems WAY overpriced for some possible issues it brings with USB hubs and possibly misguided PCI-E lane utilization
0:07 I see you have a helper kitty, always ready to give a helping paw lol
Aorus Z790 Extreme Disappoint X
That small vent hole claim seems to be just something done to add to the feature set for the sake of having extra things on it. There's not much of a chance the average user will ever verify the claim, or that they will dispute it either.
The USB DAC could, in theory, add up-to a couple hundred dollars to the cost, but there ain't no way they're actually including a $200 DAC in the box. Oh, I like that! DAC in the box!
I have the Xtreme non X and the sound quality is by far the best i have ever heard from a motherboard without an add-in card. Crazy good. I think this X model has the exact same DAC from ESS.
Motherboards are so expensive these days, even the lower end options are so expensive now. Gone are the days you could get a good boad for £60. I like the more industrial look anyway, just all black is preferable like my old MSI X99 SLI Plus motherboard. I also like Crucial memory, the cheap shit that's just green.
be cool to see a video on the process of how memory gets on the QVL, especially the high end kits.
If you're doing custom watercooling and you want to add an extra NVME drive you need to disassemble the whole thing...
They could have cut-outs for each NVME drive where you cover it with a copper/aluminum block, ideally with a heatpipe to take the heat to a finstack at the front. Or at a minimum, don't cover it in plastic.
On the VRM most of the finstacks are blocked by plastic, that's a waste.
Hey Roman, hope you are well. Do you have any updates on how your AM5 IHS/waterblock is coming along and if you will ever sell them?
I hope it's ready for (and compatible with) Zen 5 as I'd love to get one. Thanks 🙂
It will be compatible with Zen 5 because it uses the same AM5 socket and will have the same IHS
oh man, just opening the lid!. At that price I was thinking "That looks like a 299 MSI board package... this isn't going to go well. Nothing in proper packing, it's just baggies." Also.. the paper manual isn't an issue, it bio degrades and most paper is from sustainable forests now.The issue is all those plastic baggies, that's enough microplastics to make billions of plastinated worms. Also.. that acrylic sheeted motherboard. Ugh. That's going to be scratch hell inside of an hour, and then to make it better it's all plastic. Ugh. oh boy.Also, If I'm paying over a grand for a motherboard, I DO NOT WANT SHOVELWARE ON THE INSTALLER! Good to see Gigabyte is as trash as they've consistently been for the last decade or so. But right down to the shovelware and typos, it just shows that not only does Gigabyte not respect their customers, they actively view them with contempt. That level of nonsense at that price point is past bad, it's insulting. The PCB might be built rugged, but I have had 3 GPUs and 2 Motherboards of theirs fail in the last 10 years. By comparison, I lost 1 ASUS GPU(and that was when a power transformer down the road blew, so.. not sure I can blame ASUS) and 2 ASROCK motherboards. Both ASROCKs were replaced no questions asked. I have never been able to get a refund from a Gigabyte board. Ever. I have had one MSI board lose use of 2 DIMM slots, but it's still running fine today with 2 dimms, and since I only used 2 for overclocking, it didn't matter, and took me a year to realize 2 slots were no good.
To be fair, they just seem to be idiots at the high end. The lower to lower mid boards tend to be pretty good. My x570 Aorus elite wifi is a great board with all the options I need. But I wouldn't invest in ANYTHING more expensive than that from gigabyte at all.
I have also lost 3 Gigabyte mobos the past 15 years. Was my absolute favorite brand.
Seems to be similar to Asrock. They make great cheap boards, but it's like they don't know what to do with all those features at the high end. Keep it simple should be their motto, it's a shame because those white GPUs are gorgeous hardware, but I'm traumatized too much to ever spend that much on them. Runaround until the deadline for replacement runs out, all sorts of nonsense I've gotten from them specifically. They're like the HP of DIY hardware. (HP actually refused to replace a laptop with a totally dead screen, saying that the display was not a part of the system. Took a summons to small claims court to get them to replace that.) @@Yuriel1981
Amen to that, Gigabyte in the early 2000s was god tier. I swore by them for years, then around 2007 or 2008 it all went pear shaped, that's when I got a top end Gigabyte, as usual, expecting to use it for 4 or 5 years before new ram and GPU requirements forced an upgrade. I was unpleasantly surprised when it went, taking my GPU, CPU, and RAM to the dump with it. I do wonder if a shake up at management to increase profit margins or something happened then? @@constantinosschinas4503
Just noticed your stargate address tattoo. Thats awesome
Finally someone that reviewed this board with detail
I wonder how the screen will hold up with that decent looking VRM heatsink dumping heat into its rear. Those vent holes look like a necessity.
AGREED
Fortunately, it will be just fine. At around an 8th of an inch, the temperature of a heat sink with heat fins wouldn't do much to a screen at all. And that's at static air pressure. Add a little air flow and it's fine.
Yeah, that's a great point. We haven't studied LCD technology for over 30 years and know exactly what it can handle.
It's not like we design outside LCD panels which bake in the sun all day for years and years in WAY hotter temperatures, or anything.
I'm sure nobody stopped to consider whether a component of the board they engineered could withstand a minor amount of heat under it.
Thank goodness we have you.
@@tim3172The bean counters have engineers ignoring issues all the time.
Im not saying the LCD won't last, im sure it will. But don't assume these companies actually account for longevity. You never know when an exec said "thats too expensive, just blame the customer so we don't have to honor the warranty"
I love motherboards that come with real time raytracing. Very shine, much reflection.
That quick release on the top pcie slot, positioned directly under my massive gpu though.
I got one of the X570X Pro AX boards and gott im himmel it was baaaaaaad, and so is the software. The fans would go Crazy after a reboot.
25:40 'Marketing bullshit..' That had me in stitches 😂. Great video as always.
There are "some" advantages to Gigabyte motherboards as well as disadvantages. The one thing I do not like is the way they treat Bios updates. Too many times they put out a Beta bios(the ones followed by a letter designation like F4a vs simply F4) and those beta bios's seem to last forever until they release a final "official" bios. At least that is my experience with AMD motherboards.
Is there any motherboard over $4-500 which is not overpriced?
That motherboard looks crazy good!
Another excellent review.
My "AORUS elite" x570 was a big disappointment as well, barely any fan headers which I didn't even imagine could be a thing on something supposed to be "elite" LOL
I bought the asus X570 crosshair viii dark hero, it was very plastic for the price but feature and technological design wise it was one of the best motherboards sold tons of usbs up to 8 satas 3 nvme slots useable pcie slots that don't half your gpu bandwith (when manual says your slot goes 8x it means it will always hald your gpu bandwith whatever it was you get half or 4.0 or half of 3.0 depending on your gpu) the only good current intel motherboard is actually ddr4 the z790 tomahawk from msi which is pretty much the x570 dark hero with less rear usb-a and a worse bios than asus
Use fan controllers, what I did
@@B1u35ky yeah but the thing is my cheaper ASUS board had a fan header on the bottom so I didn't need it. Only reason I got this one was because it was in a bundle with a 3080 when they were hard to get
Loved my x570 aorus master, was the only board that fit the connectivity I wanted and worked great. Had 2 generations of CPUs on that board.
@@profesercreeper I guess elite doesn't mean elite then, I should've gone with the master LOL
Imagine doing a bios update on that board then the power goes out. 😬
Really good video!!
I got the Aorus X Wifi7 and its been good with the exception of no wifi or BT driver support in windows 10. My G.Skill 7800 cl36 kit wont run at XMP, but runs great at 7600 CL38... Proc is a 14700k.
I’ve been using gygabite motherboards for years now and I’m currently using the Z690 Aorus elite , the hardware has always been top quality but the problem is the software , for example there are several bios updates and quick ones that Gygabite does and kudos to them, but the control center, RGB fusion ( even for the Graphics cards) always has issues and is absolutely terrible compared to other manufacturers
I have no doubt that if Gygabite invest in better software development they would achieve much better confidence from consumers
Same here. My latest boars are 2x the Z690 Aorus-Pro rev. 1.1 and rev. 1.2, whatever the difference(s) is/are.
This one got a new beta-BIOS just last week, but I only found it today. I couldn't see any changes they made.
As system-builder both private and commercial, I usually suggest leaving the Gigabyte software, where it was the day before.
For the RGB and a-RGB headers, you can use openRGB, which does pretty well, only it doesn't detect my RAM-RGB lights. At least, those RGB lights on my latest memory doesn't seem to need much power anyway, so I can leave it on and not be afraid. Everything else, I recommend setting up the hardware things in the BIOS, so
I don't understand how a company the size of Gigabyte has such terrible software...I refuse to install it on my PC again! It uses a ridiculous amount of resources when it's running and it doesn't even work half the time...I had an X470 gaming 7 board that had RGB fusion built into the bios and it worked great but every Aorus board i've had since then you've had to download that crappy software...It really sucks, because I like everything about the Aorus boards except their software...
The 'top' M.2 slot's clear advantage is its accessibility especially for those who are using Water Blocks that are covering access to every single other M.2 slot. I'd much rather lose 0% to 2% then have to drain and completely 100% disassemble my water cooling to access M.2 slots.
Generally, the most expensive are out of the MSI Godlike or ASUS ROG Extreme Glacial. My takeaway of the Gigabyte Aorus is .. I like the top cover for the CPU pin area and I like that they right angle side mounted the USB Type E header. Let's be real, none of the software for any of these motherboard manufacturers is any good.
I'm still running an older Aorus Z370 board and it has a small fan under the IO shield but according to HWInfo it never runs it but they could have done that here although there isn't much of the way of vents to exhaust any air.
105 A stages x 22 stages ? Holy crap, this gives 2 310 Amperes ! with a tension of 1,25 Volts, that would give 2 887,5 Watts !
I think you could light a whole house with those VRMs !
$300 board + $1000 plastic. That's some expensive plastic!
If you want a screen, just get an Asrock board, these integrate eDP (laptop internal displayport) and you can get many size/dimensions/resolutions screens for this (and for cheap), and then it just acts as a display hooked up to the iGPU, so you can display anything you like independent from any manufacturer software. There are some nice casemods with this.
The plastic comes with a hidden climate tax on it, that's why it's so expensive. /sarcasm
😆 my z790 Aorus Master was disappointing for $500. It should be a $300 motherboard imo. The absurdly priced boards like the Xtreme are ridiculous, shouldn’t even exist.
Would you ever consider testing MSI GODLIKE and ACE Z790 MAX? I'm mostly interested in knowing if there are any designs changes to the iGPU side things.
Could the capacitor to the right of the CPU socket interfere with the mounting of some coolers or water blocks like the ones from EK?
It is hard not to be overpriced and disappointing as a mobo when you cost 1.3k USD.
This is what I've been wondering in relation to the (over)pricing of the current mobos. With AMD, some said that the manufacturers want to get as much money as possible since AM5 supposedly has a long platform life. That I can slightly understand. However, what's up with Intel's case. This is basically the eol of the socket/platform. So what's the reason or excuse for this one?
I would guess it's greed mostly, but it might also be sort of like with the graphics cards, where AMD tries to price their cards towards Nvidia. So if the Intel board were to be cheaper than the AMD board, and as you said they wanted to price the AMD boards higher, because people would be using them for longer, then some/many users would feel like they were taken advantage of, because there wouldn't be so much difference between the two boards (Intel and AMD), but one would be significantly more expensive only due to the kind of CPU socket.
Thanks for being real and calling out these companies BS man. More people should do this so maybe one day we have a better market
Scathing review! I like it.
Ah the *RENT* motherboard 😅
I literally bought my car for 200-300 euro less. That board is worth something like $1900 CAD and I bought my car for $1600 CAD and I've been driving it every day since 2019. I doubt that board will get support for 4 years. I bought a second car as a parts car for $850 CAD.
Thumbs up for the temp-percent analysis.
-bZj
Only 4 SATA connectors for that price!? So if all the manufacturers (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock) make errors with manufacturing and software and laugh at your warranty problems who can I trust to purchase? A fantastic review, well done
conclusion: A very expensive motherboard doesn`t make your cpu faster :P
I have the AORUS Z670E Master with the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D and I have to say it was not cheap but I'm very happy with the cooling and how well it runs and so far, have had no issues. These boards are expensive but compared to lots of cheaper brands etc. you do really get much more but it's always up to the user's needs. I think these high-end boards from Aorus are also meant to be futureproof.
On another note, I'm running a RTX 3090Ti should I update to 4000 series or just wait? cheers.
Are you just gaming or are you using the 3090Ti for professional work as well? If you were to upgrade to 4000 series card, do you know how much performance it will improve? Is there something else that you would rather use your money on or be more beneficial to you?
Nowadays there's a real issue in high-end pricing in IT. They keep charging premium prices for averages MB. With that kind of price/quality ratio we pay more for the marketing staff (lies) than for the product itself. What they don't know (or don't care about) is a flagship product tells a lot about how a company see his consumers. If a companie neglect or scam premium consumers, they'll do the same or worse for average consumers.
Thanks for your review, I'm grateful there are people to show us what really looks like those flagships
This, is one of the best tech channels and Its a true mystery why it has so few subscribers. On the board... that board should cost at the very most 700bucks, considering the plastic on it, the useless screen and the BS promises. These days all vendors they just pull a price-tag out of the bottom.
I have the Xtreme without the X and i paid 1100 euro and i am running from one problem to another - its beyond anything i have come across in the past 25 years of being an enthusiast
even AsRock has done the swappable m.2 positions on top slot with their Z790 Steel Legend which cost like 1/4 of this board, one side to run at PCIe 5.0 shared so the GPU will run at x8 and the other one is PCIe 4.0 but it'll leave the GPU to run at full x16 lanes
Please never forget everything is to do with timing. That is the super power everything has.
Hood review, that said which of the Z790 Refresh motherboards would you generally recommend? Especially the lighter coloured ones.
Yeah you're right about that the heat sink for this price it should make perfect contact with the IC's
I got the Master X, decided to go with 64Gb (2x32gb) 6800 speeds and it works with no stability issues on the 14900k
Are you happy with your board? Do you also have issues with Gigabyte software?
It looks almost exactly like my Aorus Elite b660 board I paired with a 12700 (which I like, lots of connectivity, zero stability issues), minus the excessively large LCD IO shield, and that was like $200. For less than $1300 I could buy a good AM5/Z790 board and a 7800x3D or 14700. It is a nice looking board, but for that price you can basically get a high end board/CPU/cooler AND some ddr5 cl30 RAM, if not more with a combo board/CPU/memory deal.
Micro Center in the US has this for $999. Still expensive but quite a bit less than $1300.
Hello Roman! I wish you a happy new Year. I own a 14600K and I want to buy a relatively affordable Z790 motherboard. I find it hard to chose among the Asus Z790 TUF PRO WIFI, the Msi Tomahawk Max and the Gigayte Z790 Aorus Elite X WIFI 7. Which one would you suggest?
Hello, I’m about to buy a motherboard for my new build. It’s the only missing part. I have the 14900K CPU and 4090 RTX VGA. I know I wouldn’t be able to afford the Extreme X. Actually I was considering getting the Aorus Master X. You also mentioned so many times buying it instead of Xtreme.
Master also has 10gbit Lan but it lacks Thunderbolt ports (though we can add them later with add-in cards I think.) Also I see it’s sound chip isn’t the latest one but overall I find it very appealing. Some reveiwers really like it but some are also a little bit disaapointing for some reasons.
I also have the option to get Asus Maximus Dark Hero which is a peer of the Master X I believe. But it doesn’t have 10gbit Lan port but it does have 2x Thunderbold connections. I don’t know which one to get. Should I sacrifice the 10gb lan port or the thınderbolt ports which I don’t really know if I’ll ever need :)
I hope you can give me some ideas. And maybe MSI ACE would be good too lacking the 10gbit lan port again.
I tend to come to Master X which has 10gbit lan port and I can always add Thunderport add-in card later. But I don’t know how stable it is with its 14900 profiles and how easy to make customization with its softeares. Could anyone please give some suggestions? Thank you.
Damn the cats fur coat is gonna become static and kill that test board
I’m using the Aorus Master B650E and love it. I miss the BIOS of Asus but it’s not a dealbreaker
I ditched Asus and bought a gigabyte board hoping it serves me well. I always had Asus boards but after getting bad quality boards and issues with them and crap customer service I decided to go with gigabyte
@@thealien_ali3382 well has the gigabyte board held to your standards?
Just to point out I've tried OCIng DDR4 on a couple of gigabyte boards.
Micron Rev E is what I used at the time, it does 4200CL16 on Asus Z390 and Z490 boards. On gigabyte boards I couldn't even boot it with stock XMP of 3200CL16.
I currently use Micron Rev B, on 10900K it did 4533CL15, currently on my 4th alder / raptor lake CPU, I have a 14900KF running 4400CL15 G1 stable on an MSI MAG tommahawk, also it can do 4300CL14. The rest of the timings are crap because micron, but even for DDR5 Gigabyte boards are trash tier.
Only board thats reliable for high end DDR5 OCing is Asus Apex, DDR4 you can do on just about any Z690 or Z790 D4 board from Asus or MSI.
I bought the Rev B micron on EOL sales, originally £350 (lol) reduced to £180 when 4800 DDR5 still cost £400, so now I'm too stubborn to bother with DDR5.
This will probably be the 100th comment about this, but your cat is cute af. Video is solid too (as usual).
This is not about the motherboard or gigabytes practices etc, but more the point to your tools and supplies, is there somewhere where I can find a link to your shop so that I can find the CPU bracket etc? Or is it all through patreon?
The price without that first digit is great! ;-)
Der8auer... can you do a video where you put thermal paste in between the heat-spreader and the chip? I'm curious as to how much of an effect this would have on the heat of the chip.
"So much wasted potential..." You couldn't have said it better. Thank you for the review!
With the I/O Holes in the back try taping the hole shut and test it that way then without the tape. Wi Fi 7 chip only costs $43 dollars new.
A thought that occurred starting from the opening shot.
'Can I die and come back as your cat?'
Sheik looks perfectly comfortable, as in perfect. Or purr fect.
I think Roman should start his own motherboard vendor, then we could be less disappointed 👍🏼
$1300?!? I paid $900 for this board a month ago and it’s been working great for me
Damn! That's a big as* motherboard!
Still rocking the z370 Aorus Gaming 7 with a 5.3GHz delided 8700K and 3GHz 6900XT TOXIC EE. LG OLED has been great.
The problem with the lanes is that when Gigabyte launched their mobos with Z690 they locked the 5.0 to the PCI Express card leaving the main CPU lane M.2 on 4.0, which isn't a terrible problem but the way things go, it should've been PCI Express 4.0 on the card and 5.0 on the M.2, because an year later GPU's new gen were still on 4.0 16x and M.2 had some limited 5.0 launches, of course, speeds aren't maxed on 5.0 yet as those SSD's hardly beat the fastest 4.0 just like the first 4.0's were only a bit faster than 3.0 in the first year or so.
So for Z790 they launched 5.0 + 5.0 but it limits the GPU to 8x 5.0 which is equal to 16x 4.0 which is how much a 4090 needs anyway, until a 5090 or 6090 comes out I think there's no reason to not use the top M.2. slot (and even afterwards, we all know that GPU's don't eat all the speed from the PCI anyway). It's only disturbing because they ain't telling you the whole story as you'd want to, but in general we should ask Intel and AMD for more lanes if anything!
To test their claim regarding the tiny holes, just test once normally and then put tape over them and see if the temperature increases