Spencer, 40 years ago I worked for a custom cabinet shop and we had over 35 routers set up for dedicated uses. The time we saved not changing bits all the time was tremendous. Just ignore the idiots that don't know what their talking about, and keep up the good work.
I've been doing this for about 35 years now and as time goes on I've been dedicating routers to certain task more and more. You are absolutely correct. It will save you time and money. Don't pay attention to those who are making the crappy comments about how many routers you have. They obviously don't have a clue. Keep doing what your doing Spencer.
100% agree . I can only carry so many routers on the truck but i do carry dedicated 1/8 ,3/16 ,and 1/4" roundovers . Love seeing all yours ,gives me more ideas
Nice assortment of routers. Having a dedicated router that is always set up for a roundover or flush trim operation allows one to grab one and use it with confidence without fine tuning the setup every time.
6 minutes in, we get the family photo. I love it. I have a different business mix, so to speak. But the continuum is the same. Be organized or experience pain - in terms of time loss. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I'm with you on the routers, I have 2-3 in the van, In the shop probably have 4-5 set in different machines and router tables, 2-3 trim routers are for laminate tops ,5-6 set up for special jobs that never get changed, and 3-4 extra for one off jobs. I think 2 are cordless. I am not Bragging about all the routers, but they are worth their weight in gold and time is money in a production setting
Good information for the non cabinet makers. As a trim carpenter and cabinet maker, I had more routers than I could count. Hobbiests have a hard time understanding that. Your video helped explained the economic need for a professional to save time setting up for an operation. Mike
Yes, quarter inch bits definitely flex around. Brass guide bushings will eventually get hogged out from bit flex if you're doing a lot of pattern work. I had to switch to steel bushings after I ate up several brass ones.
Just saw Mafell has a corded router with tool-less bit change,and a hollow base plate with dust collection. 1 lever and it ejects the bit. I currently have 8 routers Routers and drills are better in multiple dedicated setups. Bosch 1617 are cheap and available everywhere, however i have 2 of my own,and 3 from customers that need bearings or speed controllers. As you stated among many of your great points ,sharing motors also = shared parts.
Hi Spencer On the router bits I have seen a mark like a triangle, which indicates the minimum or limit that you should insert the tool to ensure its firmness, without the need to completely unscrew the chuck. saludos Gerardo
nice video thats super informative! A follow up with you using them in common situations would be great. A video kind of like, "now that you have your different routers heres what to do with them"
Would like to see more on plunge routing. Particularly with bits that make 2 different cut widths, like the one used for hanging picture frames on nails.
I wasn't aware that plastic and brass could marry? The things you learn on woodworking channels. It is a good suggestion though. FYI---Norm Abrams was doing an episode of NYW rebuilding a storage cabinet and the bottom drawers in it were dedicated to his router collection. I think he said he had 20--22 routers at that time and I don't believe cordless routers had been invented yet!! Looks like you could still beat that number. Something to shoot for😂😂😂
Another great video Spencer. Thanks! I would be interested in seeing a video on the different templates you've made or use for various routering /mortising task. I've recently invested in some Templaco templates for machining doors onsite and plan on making a couple of specialty ones myself.
16:14 As to bit insertion depth, Spencer says, “There's really no point in going deeper than [1/4″].” Not so! The entire length of the bit beneath the collet ("stick-out") is a lever arm, and the shear (I think?) forces on the bit multiply by the distance. It doesn't matter for light cuts, but when you're pushing the capacity of the tool, material, or depth of cut, it certainly can.
Something on bit speed, size vs. speed might be helpful. And, always confused on how much larger you should make your templates when using a 5/8” bushing.
Large bits need a slower speed 2"diameter bit may run at 10,000 rpm, if the router vibrates it's to fast. If it runs smoothly it's the right speed. Don't buy a single speed router
Could you explain why the 5/8 guide bushing only? Maybe a video on templating and jigs. Trying to do some flush lutron light plates in nickel gap. Its my first time using guide bushings to try and make a template. Thanks for the videos.
It's 5/8ths outside diameter with a 1/2" inside diameter. You can make your template with 5/8ths gaps (plus a hair) so the bushing slides down through it tightly.
Another great & informative video.Not to take away from this video I notice a Sawstop CTS tables in the background?If so are you going to review it, i would be very interested to hear you're opinion on it.I am currently using the same Dewalt tables you are currently using but have been looking into the Sawstop to replace it.Hopefully that was a little teaser of what's next.Keep up the great review videos.
I'd like to know about that Milwaukee. Specifically, is it more hassle than it's worth having a battery powered router of that size? If you wanted one universal 1/2" router, would it suffice, or would you rather avoid that and go corded? I have a Bosch 2-1/4hp fixed base I got for a steal for my benchtop router table, and I'm on the Milwaukee platform for my tools, including a palm router with a plunge base. I'm looking at a larger one for hand held use, and batter power is so alluringly portable, but it's expensive and, to me, questionable if you have to use it a lot, to bother with the batteries. What's your opinion, since I see you own one?
Hi Spencer, wow, what a presentation. Years ago I suggested to Festool to make a trim router with a screw on bit. They came out with the OFK500Q which had a 19mm (three quarter inch) screw on shank. Unfortunatey it did not take off as some of the other of my inspirations, over the last 30 years, have. I thought it was awesome for small round overs to 6mm in my capacity of an occasional wood artist. There was absolutely no chatter and the finish was superb. Did you ever see that router in America? If so, what did you think of it? Here in Australia I got the feeling that salespeople had the idea that the added expense for the unique bit would turn tradesmen off and so they did not sell the chatter proof excellent finish to them. In this youtube you talk about your time as the most important consideration which is why you have so many routers. Would the OFK500Q with its superior performance have been advantageous to you?
The naysayers should be quiet unless they have 250k+ subs on RUclips and run a successful business with employees. You know exactly when to have a dedicated router/bit to save you time for production! Thanks Spencer.
THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!
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Spencer, 40 years ago I worked for a custom cabinet shop and we had over 35 routers set up for dedicated uses. The time we saved not changing bits all the time was tremendous. Just ignore the idiots that don't know what their talking about, and keep up the good work.
Exactly.... The set-up time is tedious.... dedicated is absolutely the way to go as a professional.
I've been doing this for about 35 years now and as time goes on I've been dedicating routers to certain task more and more. You are absolutely correct. It will save you time and money. Don't pay attention to those who are making the crappy comments about how many routers you have. They obviously don't have a clue. Keep doing what your doing Spencer.
100% agree . I can only carry so many routers on the truck but i do carry dedicated 1/8 ,3/16 ,and 1/4" roundovers . Love seeing all yours ,gives me more ideas
Unintended consequences, now when my wife says I have too many tools (even though I make money with them) I can point her to this video!
LOL ~ you'll only be able to use it once!
I have never seen so many routers in one place.
@@rowankeltizar5961 well... once, but I was in a data center...
My lady has way to much makeup, hopefully she's not making money with it😂
A great point to make for suggesting routers would be, make sure it has lights. The more, the better. Extremely helpful.
5/8 guide bushings. Check. Excellent advice & appreciated. Dewalt saws & routers. Check - check. My sole router is a Bosch. It's been good to me.
Nice assortment of routers. Having a dedicated router that is always set up for a roundover or flush trim operation allows one to grab one and use it with confidence without fine tuning the setup every time.
Excellent Spencer. Boy do I wish this had been available when I was getting into routers. Great overview all in one spot.
6 minutes in, we get the family photo. I love it. I have a different business mix, so to speak. But the continuum is the same. Be organized or experience pain - in terms of time loss. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I'm with you on the routers, I have 2-3 in the van, In the shop probably have 4-5 set in different machines and router tables, 2-3 trim routers are for laminate tops ,5-6 set up for special jobs that never get changed, and 3-4 extra for one off jobs. I think 2 are cordless.
I am not Bragging about all the routers, but they are worth their weight in gold and time is money in a production setting
Good information for the non cabinet makers.
As a trim carpenter and cabinet maker, I had more routers than I could count.
Hobbiests have a hard time understanding that.
Your video helped explained the economic need for a professional to save time setting up for an operation. Mike
As a hobby-ist I get your need for many routers. Save time is the name of the game. For the rest of us its more about conserving resources ($$). 😂
Absolutely!
Recently getting more into routers, this is exactly the video I needed to see.
Yes, quarter inch bits definitely flex around. Brass guide bushings will eventually get hogged out from bit flex if you're doing a lot of pattern work. I had to switch to steel bushings after I ate up several brass ones.
Spencer, thank-you for taking so much of your time to provide such an excellent and comprehensive overview. Very helpful, thanks.
Just saw Mafell has a corded router with tool-less bit change,and a hollow base plate with dust collection.
1 lever and it ejects the bit.
I currently have 8 routers
Routers and drills are better in multiple dedicated setups.
Bosch 1617 are cheap and available everywhere, however i have 2 of my own,and 3 from customers that need bearings or speed controllers.
As you stated among many of your great points ,sharing motors also = shared parts.
You have me beat Spencer, I only have 11. 👍👍 Great video.
Yeah, I had to cut one of my bushings to make it shorter so it could be used on the Jamb master lol, but now I know where to buy one 👍🏻
Hi Spencer
On the router bits I have seen a mark like a triangle, which indicates the minimum or limit that you should insert the tool to ensure its firmness, without the need to completely unscrew the chuck.
saludos
Gerardo
nice video thats super informative! A follow up with you using them in common situations would be great. A video kind of like, "now that you have your different routers heres what to do with them"
how to use the guides and what you can do with the bushings and different bits
That’s an awesome setup if you can afford it. I just got my first router, and felt all grown up like a big boy until I saw this video.
Great video! Love your level of organization. Could you do a video on the different router bits and their uses? Thanks.
Holy routers !!!! 😮 but I can see where you'd want dedicated routers for certain tasks, which certainly saves time and trouble !!!
Good vid as always. Let’s get a video of you showing some of the jobs and task that some of those routers can do on some scrap wood or something.
Would like to see more on plunge routing. Particularly with bits that make 2 different cut widths, like the one used for hanging picture frames on nails.
Thanks for the tips on guide bushings. You have saved an untold number of woodworkers from flying shrapnel.
A clear and informative video. Only thing lacking is the direction of internal and external routing. Thanks
I cant afford 15 routers like you, that's why I use a quick change router chuck and setting rings. lol Love all your videos.
In my opinion. You can not have too many routers!!! Routers are a must for a professional product!!
That was very helpful , as usual, learned alot , appreciate ur honest opinion
I wasn't aware that plastic and brass could marry? The things you learn on woodworking channels. It is a good suggestion though. FYI---Norm Abrams was doing an episode of NYW rebuilding a storage cabinet and the bottom drawers in it were dedicated to his router collection. I think he said he had 20--22 routers at that time and I don't believe cordless routers had been invented yet!! Looks like you could still beat that number. Something to shoot for😂😂😂
Another great video Spencer. Thanks! I would be interested in seeing a video on the different templates you've made or use for various routering /mortising task. I've recently invested in some Templaco templates for machining doors onsite and plan on making a couple of specialty ones myself.
Thanks for a great video! I really appreciate the tips as well.
I’m not the only finish carpenter with a router fetish. It makes me feel less weird about my love for routers.
16:14 As to bit insertion depth, Spencer says, “There's really no point in going deeper than [1/4″].” Not so! The entire length of the bit beneath the collet ("stick-out") is a lever arm, and the shear (I think?) forces on the bit multiply by the distance. It doesn't matter for light cuts, but when you're pushing the capacity of the tool, material, or depth of cut, it certainly can.
Great channel. Love the content. Wow. You do have a LOT of routers! Love it.
I have two routers... Major router envy here.
Great video, heaps of information, great job
Thank you thank you, greatly appreciated your insight and advice.
I would be interested to learn more about jigs and templates.
Something on bit speed, size vs. speed might be helpful. And, always confused on how much larger you should make your templates when using a 5/8” bushing.
It would all depend on bit diameter
Large bits need a slower speed 2"diameter bit may run at 10,000 rpm, if the router vibrates it's to fast. If it runs smoothly it's the right speed. Don't buy a single speed router
dont forget to explain the importance of using a centering cone when using bushings
Could you explain why the 5/8 guide bushing only? Maybe a video on templating and jigs. Trying to do some flush lutron light plates in nickel gap. Its my first time using guide bushings to try and make a template. Thanks for the videos.
It's 5/8ths outside diameter with a 1/2" inside diameter. You can make your template with 5/8ths gaps (plus a hair) so the bushing slides down through it tightly.
You can make wider or narrower cuts with the same bit just using different rub collars. I like Porter cable they have endless sizes
Would love to know more about how to use a guide bushing.
Great info!!! Thanks Spencer…
On every job site I"ve been on there were tools with the same orange paint. Were they yours?
So what does your hand plane collection look like?
Another great & informative video.Not to take away from this video I notice a Sawstop CTS tables in the background?If so are you going to review it, i would be very interested to hear you're opinion on it.I am currently using the same Dewalt tables you are currently using but have been looking into the Sawstop to replace it.Hopefully that was a little teaser of what's next.Keep up the great review videos.
Yes, review will be coming but I need to come up with an outfeed table first.
I would like to be able to mount Sawstop to the DEWALT stand if possible to make it more portable.
Thanks for the great video man very very informative
What do you use for dado and rabbets?
Great job, great video - thank you very much!
I have not seen any makita type what is your views
Other than the Festool, do you find dust collection worthwhile on any of your routers? I think one of the Bosch's had a shroud on it
The festool does have great dust collection options both on the shroud and edge guides.
I'd like to know about that Milwaukee. Specifically, is it more hassle than it's worth having a battery powered router of that size? If you wanted one universal 1/2" router, would it suffice, or would you rather avoid that and go corded? I have a Bosch 2-1/4hp fixed base I got for a steal for my benchtop router table, and I'm on the Milwaukee platform for my tools, including a palm router with a plunge base. I'm looking at a larger one for hand held use, and batter power is so alluringly portable, but it's expensive and, to me, questionable if you have to use it a lot, to bother with the batteries. What's your opinion, since I see you own one?
If I could only have one midsize router it would definitely have a cord on it.
Hi Spencer, wow, what a presentation. Years ago I suggested to Festool to make a trim router with a screw on bit. They came out with the OFK500Q which had a 19mm (three quarter inch) screw on shank. Unfortunatey it did not take off as some of the other of my inspirations, over the last 30 years, have. I thought it was awesome for small round overs to 6mm in my capacity of an occasional wood artist. There was absolutely no chatter and the finish was superb. Did you ever see that router in America? If so, what did you think of it? Here in Australia I got the feeling that salespeople had the idea that the added expense for the unique bit would turn tradesmen off and so they did not sell the chatter proof excellent finish to them. In this youtube you talk about your time as the most important consideration which is why you have so many routers. Would the OFK500Q with its superior performance have been advantageous to you?
I had never seen that setup. Sounds interesting!
Great Video!
Hey Spencer, quick question, why do you only use the 5/8”bushing?
I found out by accident that a steel bushing held with a brass ring keeps them tight forever. Not sure why.
That's really interesting...
A video about using guide bushings
Routers and clamps,need l say more .👍🏝️🇨🇦
Do you use djandle router
Awesome vid
Is the flex trim rather worth the money?
I have not seen it.
Norm Abram once said that you need a router for each bit that you own😁
What is your thoughts on the FLEX trim router?
I have not seen it.
I wasn't sure if this was an entry level class on Routers, or just the number of routers you've got 😅
You didn’t mention center in the bushing.
👍👍👍.Thank you
I don’t hv a wife now? But I am saving this for back up! If I can just cut out the part where it shows you explaining changing bits?
I’m a professional trim carpenter and this guy makes me feel like Homer Simpson making s spice rack lol
This video gives the excuse to buy more “ dedicated “ routers
You can never have enough tools!
I’m not buying another tool, I’m not buying another tool, I’m not buying…. Honey where’s my wallet?
The naysayers should be quiet unless they have 250k+ subs on RUclips and run a successful business with employees. You know exactly when to have a dedicated router/bit to save you time for production! Thanks Spencer.
What router... if corded, brand isn't really an issue, but if your going to have multiple cordless routers, stick to the same battery platform.
If l only had one router it would be a D-Handle base.
lol, you’re the first person I see who has more routers then I…. I only have 6… Shame on me…. Lol
D handled
Holy matrimony. 😂😂😂
One further note : the router on the shelf is not wearing out while it's resting.
You should have one more router than routers.
Boring