Im starting to build my bow crafting setup in an apartment in Montreal thanks to your channel. Found a pallet on my street and thought why not, brought it home and finished my tillering setup today. Thank you so much for your channel, very inspiring
The shot when Legolas slides down the stairs was actually the actor going down the stairs connected to a string and with the shield strapped to his feet like a snowboard. You should really see the behind the scenes from shooting this masterpiece of a trilogy, its amazing seing the effort and practical effects going into this 😊🎞
Thx, for the video ❤One more thing, 07:07 He is aiming straight between Gimli's legs (look at the angle of the arrow and where his eyes look) with overgrip (or whatever we call it in English), one finger over the arrow. Archers, who is reading this, how do you think where the arrow will actually go? 🤣 R.I.P. P.s. Yeah, yeah, MB he knocked arrow much higher, but look at the wrapping. I don't think so :)
Great video Kramer! For enjoyment sake, I find that it's best to put technical analysis aside when viewing movies. It's what I call the "suspension of disbelief". 😉 Cheers!
Beem following you for awhile, keep up the good work , hopefully you'll be the one to restore trad to what it use to be , I been into trad for 35 years , I really like how you put yourself out there , hope you have a blessed year from VA
The bows used on LOTR during principle photography weren't PVC with sculpted bits added on top, they were high-density rubber bows molded off of fully sculpted masters. So not THAT functionally different from a PVC bow, but molded and cast instead of heat-shaped and built up with additive processes. They were around 10 lbs draw weight.
the bows being held at full draw by elves could be explained in universe by their strength being almost supernatural , the humans have no such excuse. there are other feats of archery that can be explained by the mechanics of fantasy . great video , love lotr and archery so great seeing both topics merged by a great creator
This is the same for X Wing fighters in Star Wars. In space things don't bank and turn. They rotate and thrust ... Same for guns. Bullets don't act right in movies and guns often don't recoil ... Archery is just the latest thing to get added to the list 🙃
Watch Lars Andersen and the truth shall set you free. Also keep in mind that elves are featherweights. This is conveyed in one of the scenes where his companions are struggling to walk thru deep snow and he is walking on top the snow effortlessly.
As far as I remember the information about elves from the book, they were exceptionally strong and resilient compared to humans, despite their delicate appearance. Attention was drawn to the fact that Legolas's bowstring strength allowed him to effectively strike enemies, but precisely because of this superhuman strength, he could draw it effortlessly.
Can you please look up Lars Anderson if you haven’t already he trained all the actors in the latest Robin Hood movie to shoot bow and arrow and he pretty much IS Legolas in the real world.
I think it’s more unrealistic that a society with faster than light interstellar travel and shoulder fired plasma guns is defended by a poorly organized group of monks with electric swords.
@@Lalaafastroli I’m just pointing out the willing suspension of disbelief in both cases. Glad you caught it. I enjoyed both, even though I found LOTR a little too long to sit through.
@@Lalaafastrolifantasy movies are still allowed to be compared to one another based on which makes more logical sense. Logic still exists in fantasy movies
But he is kind of a freak of nature, isn't he? Not to say anything against him, but I also don't expect anyone to play hockey like Gretzky, but Gretzky, or basketball like Bird, except Bird. You can't make real world truths out of the abilities of those few amongst us who are basically superhuman in their field.
Okay, so here's a question for you, Kramer. What are your favorite depictions of archery in movies and why? Maybe make a video - best movies to watch to see some cool archery scenes.
Yeah, I've had to chalk up the archery in these movies to Elven Magic. I'd be interested in seeing your take on the Errol Flynn Robin Hood movie. Howard Hill was a heck of a guy.
i recollect when i first learned to throw arrows using the modern centre shot bows and the debate at that time concerning the claim found in an old manuscript that in order for a medieval archer to qualify as an archer in the saracen army he had to be capable of throwing three arrows in one and a half seconds, it was believed by most modern archers to have been wartime propaganda deliberately dropped to frighten their enemies. and then Lars Anderson did it. modern archers then stated that it was only possible for Lars to do that because, as a 'trick shooter' using very light poundage bows it would be impossible to be done with an actual warbow at sixty pounds or above. and then somebody else did it. when i then went on to learn about and practice medieval Arabic archery techniques i was unsurprised to find the claim about the english longbowmen were not the best archers of the time and neither was the english longbow the best recurve bow at the time, it turned out that both of those accolades belong to the ottoman archers. so now i practice the techniques they mastered back then. so sure enough the ottoman claims i have proven True from i own personal experience. having said that, i noticed one error in Legolas's technique from the film whilst watching your video. when throwing arrows with a bow the Mediterranean draw is only good for throwing from the knuckle side of the bowhand, throwing from the thumb side requires either slavic or thumb draw, as a rule that is there is another technique which is kind of a mix of both the name of which i forget just now. otherwise for moving or bouncing shots, for instance, well that's just every day for horseback archers today in competition.
#2 is much the same reason Hollywood tends to use fake guns and then edit in the muzzle blast in post. So they don't end up with an Alex Baldwin/Rust situation. If anything, they do firearms worse than archery, because at least the bows actually move in these archery scenes, but they forget that self-loading firearms have an action that moves after the shot and don't make any accommodation for that.
This was awesome, don't feel bad, all of us who have 'a set of very specific skills' (or whatever the phrase is) get sorta bent out of shape over realism. just ask a smith about scenes where weapons are forged if you want to see REAL indignation, as its always utter bullshit in Hollywood. I would like to make a request: Can you do a video on 'archery for dwarves and giants'? I am 6'5" and have freakishly long arms for my height, and I have found it very difficult to find equipment to fit. Obviously there are ways to deal with this, preferably ones that don't involve beginner bows custom made for 3000$, but its all rather intimidating to figure out. My interests lie in roving and probably small game hunting....
Leg-or-less, more like arm-or-less. I think they added Brad Pitt's arms in after the fact. When he almost shot Santa in the wing dinger it was movie magic.
Is it strange that everyone is getting into a huge LOTR vibe?? I feel like a lot of people I’ve talked to are rewatching and rereading and I’ve been seeing a lot of recent videos from people about it
This is EXACTLY why they should have cast an actual elf to play Legolas - totally ruined the films for me (not to mention the cultural appropriation issues) 🤣
spoiler, Orlando Bloom shoot and he is also pretty good at archery, idk if he got into archery before or after the movie but he can shoot bow pretty good
People who know the stuff and find these quirks unrealistic enough to pull them out of the immersion care. What you're championing is apathy, that, because it is entertainment, it's okay to cut corners because no one cares. But they do, and so we cannot cut corners if we want them to be immersed in our worlds.
As a Dwarf fan i support you exposing elven propaganda in film.
Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!
Súlon qwanna nîf gín! As if you guys arent sus aswell! :P
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A truce then.
@@GrizzlyHillsRadio 😄👍
One of my favorite archery movies is the Korean movie War of the Arrows. If you've never seen that, you should check it out.
Im starting to build my bow crafting setup in an apartment in Montreal thanks to your channel. Found a pallet on my street and thought why not, brought it home and finished my tillering setup today. Thank you so much for your channel, very inspiring
The shot when Legolas slides down the stairs was actually the actor going down the stairs connected to a string and with the shield strapped to his feet like a snowboard. You should really see the behind the scenes from shooting this masterpiece of a trilogy, its amazing seing the effort and practical effects going into this 😊🎞
Thx, for the video ❤One more thing, 07:07 He is aiming straight between Gimli's legs (look at the angle of the arrow and where his eyes look) with overgrip (or whatever we call it in English), one finger over the arrow. Archers, who is reading this, how do you think where the arrow will actually go? 🤣 R.I.P.
P.s. Yeah, yeah, MB he knocked arrow much higher, but look at the wrapping. I don't think so :)
Great video Kramer!
For enjoyment sake, I find that it's best to put technical analysis aside when viewing movies. It's what I call the "suspension of disbelief". 😉 Cheers!
Beem following you for awhile, keep up the good work , hopefully you'll be the one to restore trad to what it use to be , I been into trad for 35 years , I really like how you put yourself out there , hope you have a blessed year from VA
The bows used on LOTR during principle photography weren't PVC with sculpted bits added on top, they were high-density rubber bows molded off of fully sculpted masters. So not THAT functionally different from a PVC bow, but molded and cast instead of heat-shaped and built up with additive processes. They were around 10 lbs draw weight.
the bows being held at full draw by elves could be explained in universe by their strength being almost supernatural , the humans have no such excuse. there are other feats of archery that can be explained by the mechanics of fantasy . great video , love lotr and archery so great seeing both topics merged by a great creator
This is the same for X Wing fighters in Star Wars. In space things don't bank and turn. They rotate and thrust ...
Same for guns. Bullets don't act right in movies and guns often don't recoil ...
Archery is just the latest thing to get added to the list 🙃
great video Kramer, you should do robin hood prince of theaves
Do you shoot right or left hand bows?
Watch Lars Andersen and the truth shall set you free. Also keep in mind that elves are featherweights. This is conveyed in one of the scenes where his companions are struggling to walk thru deep snow and he is walking on top the snow effortlessly.
As far as I remember the information about elves from the book, they were exceptionally strong and resilient compared to humans, despite their delicate appearance. Attention was drawn to the fact that Legolas's bowstring strength allowed him to effectively strike enemies, but precisely because of this superhuman strength, he could draw it effortlessly.
Can you please look up Lars Anderson if you haven’t already he trained all the actors in the latest Robin Hood movie to shoot bow and arrow and he pretty much IS Legolas in the real world.
Remember, magic arrows and enchanted bows make an insane difference.
I think I need to start a D&D campaign.
Thanks, never looked at the movie in that way. Shooting with that long loose hair is crazy if you think about it.
I'll even catch my mustache hair the odd time. My friend always seems to laugh...
There's an archery youtuber Dash Rendar who manages his long hair extremely well
@@awoodenkiwitoy6293 Thanks, I will check him out.
@@chrisingram7277 That's how a real man trims his mustache...
@@Mooskellunge Thanks, I'll have to remember that for the next time...Reasonable explanation.
I think it’s more unrealistic that a society with faster than light interstellar travel and shoulder fired plasma guns is defended by a poorly organized group of monks with electric swords.
Lord of the rings is not more realistic than Star Wars lmao😂…if that’s the point you’re trying to make
That are as fast as paintball guns
@@Lalaafastroli I’m just pointing out the willing suspension of disbelief in both cases. Glad you caught it. I enjoyed both, even though I found LOTR a little too long to sit through.
@@LuoJun2i still don't understand what you are trying to say...maybe english isn't you're first language. The films are literally FANTASY films?
@@Lalaafastrolifantasy movies are still allowed to be compared to one another based on which makes more logical sense. Logic still exists in fantasy movies
You should watch Lars Andserson, it not impossible to fire quickly and accurately
But he is kind of a freak of nature, isn't he? Not to say anything against him, but I also don't expect anyone to play hockey like Gretzky, but Gretzky, or basketball like Bird, except Bird. You can't make real world truths out of the abilities of those few amongst us who are basically superhuman in their field.
This is really fun! 😀
Ever since I took up archery.. and then watch a movie that has an archery scene.. I notice the imperfections.
Just as I do with fly fishing
Don't forget the infinity back quiver he had. He never ran out of arrows 😂
Okay, so here's a question for you, Kramer. What are your favorite depictions of archery in movies and why? Maybe make a video - best movies to watch to see some cool archery scenes.
Dammit... Just touched on all of this in my comment on your last video I watched 😂
Yeah, I've had to chalk up the archery in these movies to Elven Magic.
I'd be interested in seeing your take on the Errol Flynn Robin Hood movie.
Howard Hill was a heck of a guy.
funny thing is that Tolkien is notably hardcore on realistic details like archery technics or other military stuff. In books, of course!
In movies they put rubber cordage on a bow instead of a string. You can see this when he draws the string but the bow does not bend. ;-)
The archer on Todd’s workshop uses the 160lbs bow and yeah I doubt he’d be able to rapid shoot like an elf at that draw weight
i recollect when i first learned to throw arrows using the modern centre shot bows and the debate at that time concerning the claim found in an old manuscript that in order for a medieval archer to qualify as an archer in the saracen army he had to be capable of throwing three arrows in one and a half seconds, it was believed by most modern archers to have been wartime propaganda deliberately dropped to frighten their enemies.
and then Lars Anderson did it.
modern archers then stated that it was only possible for Lars to do that because, as a 'trick shooter' using very light poundage bows it would be impossible to be done with an actual warbow at sixty pounds or above.
and then somebody else did it.
when i then went on to learn about and practice medieval Arabic archery techniques i was unsurprised to find the claim about the english longbowmen were not the best archers of the time and neither was the english longbow the best recurve bow at the time, it turned out that both of those accolades belong to the ottoman archers.
so now i practice the techniques they mastered back then.
so sure enough the ottoman claims i have proven True from i own personal experience.
having said that, i noticed one error in Legolas's technique from the film whilst watching your video.
when throwing arrows with a bow the Mediterranean draw is only good for throwing from the knuckle side of the bowhand, throwing from the thumb side requires either slavic or thumb draw, as a rule that is there is another technique which is kind of a mix of both the name of which i forget just now.
otherwise for moving or bouncing shots, for instance, well that's just every day for horseback archers today in competition.
The 2006 Robin Hood TV show had some nutty shots. Good show though.
A great video.
#2 is much the same reason Hollywood tends to use fake guns and then edit in the muzzle blast in post. So they don't end up with an Alex Baldwin/Rust situation. If anything, they do firearms worse than archery, because at least the bows actually move in these archery scenes, but they forget that self-loading firearms have an action that moves after the shot and don't make any accommodation for that.
This was awesome, don't feel bad, all of us who have 'a set of very specific skills' (or whatever the phrase is) get sorta bent out of shape over realism. just ask a smith about scenes where weapons are forged if you want to see REAL indignation, as its always utter bullshit in Hollywood.
I would like to make a request: Can you do a video on 'archery for dwarves and giants'? I am 6'5" and have freakishly long arms for my height, and I have found it very difficult to find equipment to fit. Obviously there are ways to deal with this, preferably ones that don't involve beginner bows custom made for 3000$, but its all rather intimidating to figure out. My interests lie in roving and probably small game hunting....
Leg-or-less, more like arm-or-less. I think they added Brad Pitt's arms in after the fact. When he almost shot Santa in the wing dinger it was movie magic.
Can you make Korean bow
Do you like Korean bow
Elves say you’re doing wrong!
Is it strange that everyone is getting into a huge LOTR vibe?? I feel like a lot of people I’ve talked to are rewatching and rereading and I’ve been seeing a lot of recent videos from people about it
Not impossible at all - You just need the blessing of the Elves. Simple.
Shatterproof archery recreates archery shots from movies??????
Elves are capable of making unrealistic shots
I agree that it was faked, but I believe that most of those shots are possible
It’s a movie,lol.
There r peoples who actually do trick shots, but not him.😆
This is EXACTLY why they should have cast an actual elf to play Legolas - totally ruined the films for me (not to mention the cultural appropriation issues)
🤣
spoiler, Orlando Bloom shoot and he is also pretty good at archery, idk if he got into archery before or after the movie but he can shoot bow pretty good
Hahaha 😂😂 you are destroying the legendary archer.. but at the same time we see you love those shots in movies😂
Who even cares, it’s just pure entertainment
People who know the stuff and find these quirks unrealistic enough to pull them out of the immersion care. What you're championing is apathy, that, because it is entertainment, it's okay to cut corners because no one cares.
But they do, and so we cannot cut corners if we want them to be immersed in our worlds.