I think we can all agree you are moron if you think if Riggs and Budge were transported 80 years into the future they would play with long pants and wooden rackets like in this video. Alternatively if Sinner and Alcaraz went back 80 years they wouldn't have their current equipment, training regimen and travel from tournament to tournament in private jets.
To see how these guys would stack up today, they would first need modern composite racquets with comparable stringing and the large head. Second, they would be allowed to jump-serve adding a lot more power and speed. If they had these technical innovations and a year or two to train, they might play effectively against modern competition.
In fact it is the final of the US Pro Tennis Championships of 1942 and was played at the West Side Tennis Club, Forest Hills, NYC …and can guarantee it wasn’t a video… 😂
@@tsb3093 This is not Forest Hills at West Side, which has a much different stadium. Looks like either Newport in 1937 or Westchester in 1936...these two played often against each other. Bobby is too young looking for 1942. Budge looked much different in 1942 after facial surgery.
As late as the early 70s experts were claiming that players like Tilden and Budge were the greatest of all time. A look at old video like this makes it absolutely clear that the standard of play back then would battle in today’s challenger circuit. That’s not an insult to them: Long trousers, ancient racquets and the amateur status of the game inhibited development.
@John O'Neill. Put modern ultralight, ultrapowerful graphite rackets in Don Budge and Bill Tilden's hands and put them at the very peak of their respective primes on today's men's pro tennis tour and give them the advantages that the modern players have enjoyed in terms of advances in knowledge of weight training, physical fitness training, food and nutrition, slowed down courts, the larger Type3 tennis ball, the lubricated copolyestor strings, and the lack of serve-and-volley (especially great serve-and-volley) competition, and they would be right at the top of the rankings as they were back in the their era! Conversely, put Federer, Nadal and Djokovic at the peak of their respective primes in the wood racket era, require them to play with the small-headed wood or metal rackets, replace their lubricated, copolyestor strings (which add 20% more spin to the ball and thereby cheapen the game by making it too damned easy to avoid making unforced errors) with regular/nonlubricated gut strings, ban the larger Type3 tennis ball (which also inarguably cheapens the game by artificially reducing unforced errors), speed up the tennis courts to the speed they were from the 1920's -1990's, and the result would unquestionably be that Federer, Nadal and Djokovic's grossly disproportionate, inflated statistical achievements in today's tennis would be dramatically reduced to be commensurate with the achievements of the all-time greats of the previous and earlier eras in tennis history!
@@michaelbarlow6610 No. Tennis was a game for entitled toffs back then, so all you saw was the best toffs playing each other. Today the best athletes play each other. Thats the difference.
@@SearchBucket2 . You erroneously assume that "better athlete" equals "better player". It does not! The fact is that if the greatest tennis players from the previous and earlier eras in tennis history at the very peak of their primes were given access to the advantages that the current era players on the men's and women's pro tennis tours have enjoyed and benefitted from enormously, then those great players of the past would, without any question whatsoever, measure up very well with the current era players and would in many instances outshine their current era counterparts because there was a much greater diversity of playing styles in tennis back then compared to the one-dimensional, tediously boring, baseline, "war of attrition, "slugfest contests in today's tennis in which the current players display no creativity or imagination in their play, which makes the current so-called "tennis" a wonderful, sleep- inducing cure for insomnia!
@@michaelbarlow6610 The game is "a boring baseline slug-fest" purely because the quality of returns and groundstrokes is now such that serve and volley is no longer viable except on the fastest surfaces, and even then it's a shakey strategy. In the days of Tilden et al the ball was pushed back in a lame fashion. Get over it. The game has moved on enormously. From fitness to shot penetration everything today is far superior. As for creativity you clearly haven't watched Dustin Brown, Nick Krygios or Gail Monfils?
@@SearchBucket2 . I have examined in great detail in other posted comments on RUclips tennis videos the underlying reasons why the play of the men and women pro tennis players in today's so-called "tennis" only APPEARS to be be superior to the play of the previous and earlier era great players in tennis history, but I won't recite those irrefutable facts here because I would just be wasting my time trying to convince a close-minded, clearly delusional person like you of the accuracy and validity of those reasons!
I like how Riggs serves and just stands there not moving, like he's playing badmitton lol... and sweet pants, Budge -- he should have been disqualified for that alone
the game changes because of the racket and string technology. today's tennis is different from the tennis 20 years ago, and the tennis 20 years ago is different from the tennis of the previous 20 years. the equipment and strings are changing at a fast pace
No, the old wood frames had smaller heads and were heavier and sturdier than the rackets today. The players today have to really swipe hard to get power into their shots, while in the older wood era the stronger heavier frames required less severe stroking to get power. But you needed strong arm muscles. Look at the strength of those old pros, like Tilden Vines, Budge, Kramer, Gonzales, Hoad, Laver, Borg...they were musclemen. The balls were hit then with about the same power and speed as today, but the difference is that the larger racket heads today make it much easier to return serve, and that takes away the serve and volley game. We now see a more boring baseline game without serve and volley.
Budge and Riggs had beautifully fluid serves and backhands and Budge had an excellent backhand volley. Riggs was renowned for his superb lobs.
Wow this is awesome..❤
Fun to watch
i think we can all agree Sinner and Alcaraz can’t go 3 sets with these guys
I think we can all agree you are moron if you think if Riggs and Budge were transported 80 years into the future they would play with long pants and wooden rackets like in this video. Alternatively if Sinner and Alcaraz went back 80 years they wouldn't have their current equipment, training regimen and travel from tournament to tournament in private jets.
LOL
😂
To see how these guys would stack up today, they would first need modern composite racquets with comparable stringing and the large head. Second, they would be allowed to jump-serve adding a lot more power and speed. If they had these technical innovations and a year or two to train, they might play effectively against modern competition.
Is it possible to know in which city this video was made ?
Thank you
That’s Newport Rhode Island
In fact it is the final of the US Pro Tennis Championships of 1942 and was played at the West Side Tennis Club, Forest Hills, NYC …and can guarantee it wasn’t a video… 😂
@@tsb3093 This is not Forest Hills at West Side, which has a much different stadium. Looks like either Newport in 1937 or Westchester in 1936...these two played often against each other. Bobby is too young looking for 1942. Budge looked much different in 1942 after facial surgery.
As late as the early 70s experts were claiming that players like Tilden and Budge were the greatest of all time. A look at old video like this makes it absolutely clear that the standard of play back then would battle in today’s challenger circuit. That’s not an insult to them: Long trousers, ancient racquets and the amateur status of the game inhibited development.
@John O'Neill. Put modern ultralight, ultrapowerful graphite rackets in Don Budge and Bill Tilden's hands and put them at the very peak of their respective primes on today's men's pro tennis tour and give them the advantages that the modern players have enjoyed in terms of advances in knowledge of weight training, physical fitness training, food and nutrition, slowed down courts, the larger Type3 tennis ball, the lubricated copolyestor strings, and the lack of serve-and-volley (especially great serve-and-volley) competition, and they would be right at the top of the rankings as they were back in the their era! Conversely, put Federer, Nadal and Djokovic at the peak of their respective primes in the wood racket era, require them to play with the small-headed wood or metal rackets, replace their lubricated, copolyestor strings (which add 20% more spin to the ball and thereby cheapen the game by making it too damned easy to avoid making unforced errors) with regular/nonlubricated gut strings, ban the larger Type3 tennis ball (which also inarguably cheapens the game by artificially reducing unforced errors), speed up the tennis courts to the speed they were from the 1920's -1990's, and the result would unquestionably be that Federer, Nadal and Djokovic's grossly disproportionate, inflated statistical achievements in today's tennis would be dramatically reduced to be commensurate with the achievements of the all-time greats of the previous and earlier eras in tennis history!
@@michaelbarlow6610 No. Tennis was a game for entitled toffs back then, so all you saw was the best toffs playing each other. Today the best athletes play each other. Thats the difference.
@@SearchBucket2 . You erroneously assume that "better athlete" equals "better player". It does not! The fact is that if the greatest tennis players from the previous and earlier eras in tennis history at the very peak of their primes were given access to the advantages that the current era players on the men's and women's pro tennis tours have enjoyed and benefitted from enormously, then those great players of the past would, without any question whatsoever, measure up very well with the current era players and would in many instances outshine their current era counterparts because there was a much greater diversity of playing styles in tennis back then compared to the one-dimensional, tediously boring, baseline, "war of attrition, "slugfest contests in today's tennis in which the current players display no creativity or imagination in their play, which makes the current so-called "tennis" a wonderful, sleep- inducing cure for insomnia!
@@michaelbarlow6610 The game is "a boring baseline slug-fest" purely because the quality of returns and groundstrokes is now such that serve and volley is no longer viable except on the fastest surfaces, and even then it's a shakey strategy. In the days of Tilden et al the ball was pushed back in a lame fashion.
Get over it. The game has moved on enormously. From fitness to shot penetration everything today is far superior.
As for creativity you clearly haven't watched Dustin Brown, Nick Krygios or Gail Monfils?
@@SearchBucket2 . I have examined in great detail in other posted comments on RUclips tennis videos the underlying reasons why the play of the men and women pro tennis players in today's so-called "tennis" only APPEARS to be be superior to the play of the previous and earlier era great players in tennis history, but I won't recite those irrefutable facts here because I would just be wasting my time trying to convince a close-minded, clearly delusional person like you of the accuracy and validity of those reasons!
Longs and shorts, bet the women in the crowd were fixating on Bobby's legs...........lol
I like how Riggs serves and just stands there not moving, like he's playing badmitton lol... and sweet pants, Budge -- he should have been disqualified for that alone
There rackets couldn't return a ball in the modern game now there rackets would fall to bits.
Mc Enroe won Wimbledon with a racket made in the years 30, if I'm correct...
Of course, his opponents had also wood and stell rackets...
the game changes because of the racket and string technology. today's tennis is different from the tennis 20 years ago, and the tennis 20 years ago is different from the tennis of the previous 20 years. the equipment and strings are changing at a fast pace
No, the old wood frames had smaller heads and were heavier and sturdier than the rackets today. The players today have to really swipe hard to get power into their shots, while in the older wood era the stronger heavier frames required less severe stroking to get power. But you needed strong arm muscles. Look at the strength of those old pros, like Tilden Vines, Budge, Kramer, Gonzales, Hoad, Laver, Borg...they were musclemen. The balls were hit then with about the same power and speed as today, but the difference is that the larger racket heads today make it much easier to return serve, and that takes away the serve and volley game. We now see a more boring baseline game without serve and volley.
@@musicmasterplayer4532 the guy who wants to go back 60 years but of course he wants to keep his computer, smartphone, internet and youtube. Grow up!