The thing I love about this scene is that on the bridge Worf is always advocating attack and suspicion, but here with K'Ehleyr he feels like he represents the whole ship and is compelled to advocate their position.
In his role as security chief Worf's responsibility is to the safety of his ship and crew. But in this case his assignment is to find other options, so as usual he'll make every effort to fulfill it.
Not with this kind of writing. Just watch the scene again and ask yourself what K'Ehleyr's "indispensable contribution" is to both the task she was given by Starfleet and on the meta level of her as a character in that story? She doesn't contribute anything apart from bitching about the Klingons at large, Starfleet and Worf. Hell she even complains about her own personality. How is this woman supposed to advise anyone at anything?
@@Ryan_Winter And yet, she still seduced Worf in spite of her flaws, raised his son alone for three years, and had the courage to stand against Duras even though it cost her life. Just because a woman is very direct and speaks her mind you think she earns the "bitchy" label? True enough Worf found a solution that she didn't, but her first priority was to advise captain Picard about the aggressiveness of the Klingons they would be facing; she did that bluntly and honestly. The Klingons *did* fire first, as she said they would. Yes the writers made her a flawed character, but they knew she was primarily eye candy anyway. It doesn't diminish what she accomplished off-screen, which included acclimating a crew of ancient Klingons to the 24th century. Not to mention Suzie Plakson is still very popular with fans to this day.
@@josephsheranda She was useless and her only contribution ON SCREEN was complaining. Yes, that gets her the bitchy label, especially that she was more useful OFF SCREEN should give those who consider this "good writing" pose. The time she had nothing to say was more valuable than her time in the spotlight, that's the crux. She never appeared strong in any sense of the word, whenever it mattered she showed insecurity and weakness.
@@Ryan_Winter You don't read for context, do you? I literally just said she was written as a flawed character and primarily was eye candy. Of course she was insecure about her relationship with Worf; that was the point of the whole episode! The writers had obviously decided that Worf would have a fleeting on-again-off-again one night stand with her that would result in a child. They also had decided she would be tragically murdered by Duras. Her whole purpose as a character was to develop Worf's character. The writers could have taken her in a different direction had she lived, but they killed her off; that's just part of Hollywood. It doesn't diminish that many fans wanted to see more of her, including myself. You're entitled to your opinion but Jesus, you're a real wet blanket trying to ruin it for the rest of us. You're pointing fingers at a fictional character, when you're the one doing the bitching and complaining in real life. Focus your time on something more constructive; you'll be happier for it.
@@matasa7463 I suppose in a way, a Klingon probably regards dying in glorious battle as an option. It does really make me wonder what Worf would have done in a Kobayashi Maru test. His outlook is probably sufficiently different to most other species that he would be interesting. Nog would also approach it in an interesting way, I suspect.
@@hansellius He did actually, don't forget he only, shall we say ;~), thought outside the box on his 3rd attempt, if memory serves, so had faced it and failed twice already.
Yeah, she could have been the predecessor to T'pol and Seven of Nine. 😏 I guess cringy superficialities like blatant fanservice were at a low back then during the excellent TNG.
I was like 13 years old when this episode came out and Susie Plakson was just gorgeous in every scene she was in, but when she added "I do bite" it was enough to give one a cold shiver. Damn what a woman! But why did they kill off this character?
Everybody talks about how much action Riker got, but Data got just as much or more. Then there's Worf, who's so dumb he turned down the sexiest Klingon ever to walk the earth. RIP Kh'eylar
THe first few seasons anyway, then they fired the composer. There used to be scores on CD but they are super rare and hard to find. Later seasons were almost silent.
Early 23rd century: Klingon chancellor L'Rell (got it with Mister Tyler) Late 23rd century: Mara, mate of Kang (Mister Chekov tried to get it) Late 24th century: K'elyhr, mate of Worf "You've come a long way, Baby!"
K'Ehleyr is red spandex-clad proof that you can be unbelievably feminine and still be a strong woman character. Modern female characters pale in comparison.
I don't even know why you Reactionaries even watch Star Trek. Star Trek strived to be Progressive even though it usually fell short. This the opposite of Reactionaries who cling to the past as if the future will somehow destroy them.
@@allnamesaretakenful I see comments like this and it has the same vibe as "Jesus was a Progressive" and it illustrates a primary flaw in Progressiveism, you can't create anything that is thought provoking or popular because every thought in your head and word that comes out of your mouth is a lecture about how everyone and everything around you is racist, sexist, misogynistic, bigoted, hateful or toxic. At some point, you goombas need to realize that if everyone around is an asshole, it's probably not them, and also that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
One thing I have noticed in shows today, even in the Nu Trek - I can't think of ever having a scene like this where the music sets the tone so well.......or may Ron Jones's compilations were just that good at setting the scene. 0:58 when the soft Klingon 'love' theme begins to play, it just adds to the drama of the moment in such a good way. I can't remember any of the Nu Trek shows having something like this where the music helps you FEEL the moment! Alas, I think its something missing from alot of modern TV these days - they've forgotten how powerful music is, even in its gentlest form!!
I'd almost forgotten about this scene - I find it...curiously comforting. these two women, commiserating about their shared experience being genitcally stretched across at least two cultural experiences - and having to reconcile each of their two particular cultures - one finding a sort of strength from their two options, and one regretfully hating the conflict between at least one of the origin cultures. It's a HUMAN moment...which is what, I feel, Star Trek does best. It's not about which one is RIGHT or WRONG - it's about two different ways of seeing the various options, and how one is affected by the choices we make, and the perspectives we have. Truth is, dealing with being a "half breed", as ugly a term as that is, is something Star Trek has always been at the forefront of. Spock was one our first, and trying to decide if being a half-breed was divisive, or a kind of strength, was always a feature of star trek - and I'm glad to see it re-occur in this episode
Troi should have seen K'Ehleyr during this. I know Troi had somewhere of an understanding of K'Ehleyr's temper, but this would have given her a perspective of it
Have you seen how often their computer malfunctions? Do you think the characters they have on board can write competent code? I wouldn't be surprised if Starfleet software is derived from the sort of "cutting edge" garbage we get today from companies like Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, and Acer.
@@pwnmeisterage Now, that's a good point. Behind the sleek farcade of the Enterprise lays a clunky machine that depends on so many sub systems that keep getting hacked or breaks down.
Dunno, maybe the problem is her half-klingon nature and she should have tried to force herself on him in order to resolve the tension? I'm just spitballing here, but that seems more like the klingon way. To establish respect through authority instead of bickering. Maybe they both are struggling with their human influences where words vs. actions is weighted differently. Is there any lore established about how this normally works among klingons?
Even if they didn't have personal history to color their opinions, what she's saying is still wrong. The whole premise of TNG is finding the right answers and then using those to avoid conflict whenever possible, Picard managed to pull this off against Klingons on multiple occasions.
That's what Worf is explaining. But she is much more used to dealing with Klingons than Worf is. As Klingon politics would show later, putting up with Klingons can leave you with Jade-tinted glasses.
The thing I love about this scene is that on the bridge Worf is always advocating attack and suspicion, but here with K'Ehleyr he feels like he represents the whole ship and is compelled to advocate their position.
In his role as security chief Worf's responsibility is to the safety of his ship and crew. But in this case his assignment is to find other options, so as usual he'll make every effort to fulfill it.
I could never have resisted her charms ! What a gorgeous intelligent engaging woman and not just great looking.
Sexiest
Klingon
Ever
It's a shame she only had two episodes.
She's memorable enough that I thought she was in more
Not with this kind of writing. Just watch the scene again and ask yourself what K'Ehleyr's "indispensable contribution" is to both the task she was given by Starfleet and on the meta level of her as a character in that story?
She doesn't contribute anything apart from bitching about the Klingons at large, Starfleet and Worf.
Hell she even complains about her own personality. How is this woman supposed to advise anyone at anything?
@@Ryan_Winter
And yet, she still seduced Worf in spite of her flaws, raised his son alone for three years, and had the courage to stand against Duras even though it cost her life. Just because a woman is very direct and speaks her mind you think she earns the "bitchy" label? True enough Worf found a solution that she didn't, but her first priority was to advise captain Picard about the aggressiveness of the Klingons they would be facing; she did that bluntly and honestly. The Klingons *did* fire first, as she said they would.
Yes the writers made her a flawed character, but they knew she was primarily eye candy anyway. It doesn't diminish what she accomplished off-screen, which included acclimating a crew of ancient Klingons to the 24th century. Not to mention Suzie Plakson is still very popular with fans to this day.
@@josephsheranda She was useless and her only contribution ON SCREEN was complaining. Yes, that gets her the bitchy label, especially that she was more useful OFF SCREEN should give those who consider this "good writing" pose. The time she had nothing to say was more valuable than her time in the spotlight, that's the crux. She never appeared strong in any sense of the word, whenever it mattered she showed insecurity and weakness.
@@Ryan_Winter
You don't read for context, do you? I literally just said she was written as a flawed character and primarily was eye candy. Of course she was insecure about her relationship with Worf; that was the point of the whole episode!
The writers had obviously decided that Worf would have a fleeting on-again-off-again one night stand with her that would result in a child. They also had decided she would be tragically murdered by Duras. Her whole purpose as a character was to develop Worf's character.
The writers could have taken her in a different direction had she lived, but they killed her off; that's just part of Hollywood. It doesn't diminish that many fans wanted to see more of her, including myself.
You're entitled to your opinion but Jesus, you're a real wet blanket trying to ruin it for the rest of us. You're pointing fingers at a fictional character, when you're the one doing the bitching and complaining in real life. Focus your time on something more constructive; you'll be happier for it.
the look on Worfs face be like " this woman drives me insane...and i WANT HER SO BAD ! " ^^
Agreed
"There are always options."
Worf clearly never took the Kobayashi Maru.
Oh he did.
Thus: "Then perhaps today *is* a good day to die! Prepare for RAMMING SPEED!"
@@matasa7463 I suppose in a way, a Klingon probably regards dying in glorious battle as an option.
It does really make me wonder what Worf would have done in a Kobayashi Maru test. His outlook is probably sufficiently different to most other species that he would be interesting.
Nog would also approach it in an interesting way, I suspect.
That won't work I am afraid, Kirk found another "option" ;~)
@@pegasusted2504 I actually agree with Saavik; Kirk never actually faced it.
@@hansellius He did actually, don't forget he only, shall we say ;~), thought outside the box on his 3rd attempt, if memory serves, so had faced it and failed twice already.
"Well, that's wrong...I do bite."
GODDAMN SUSIE!
LMAO!!!!
For the life of me I can’t fathom why they decided to kill off this character?
Yeah, she could have been the predecessor to T'pol and Seven of Nine. 😏
I guess cringy superficialities like blatant fanservice were at a low back then during the excellent TNG.
According to Star Trek law, Worf is not allowed to have a permanent love interest
She kept melting the set.
Because she's a cvnt?
@@shireboundscribblesValid.
Worf gave K’Ehleyr exactly what she wanted but she threw it back at him because the gift wrapping was the wrong color.
Fortunately Jadzia knew better.
Jadzia sucked compared to K'Ehleyr.
I love every scene with K'ehleyr, even if there were only a handful of them. Her chemistry with Worf is electrifying.
ok now he has professional reasons to not work with her having watched the whole clip.
Awww. They wuv each other.
Yup , QaPlah !!!
Oh, for heavens sake, Worf. Rip her kit off and give her one.
It's the opposite: SHE rips HIS kit off.
HE reads poetry and ducks.
He did. She named him Alexander.
The emotional dynamic between these two was AMAZING!
I was like 13 years old when this episode came out and Susie Plakson was just gorgeous in every scene she was in, but when she added "I do bite" it was enough to give one a cold shiver. Damn what a woman! But why did they kill off this character?
Worf to Himself *"That's My kind of woman!!!"*
My God Suzy was incredibly beautiful, a goddess.
When you accidentally order 100 hair clips from Amazon and turn it into a fashion statement.
Everybody talks about how much action Riker got, but Data got just as much or more. Then there's Worf, who's so dumb he turned down the sexiest Klingon ever to walk the earth. RIP Kh'eylar
But he didn’t turn her down. In fact he got her pregnant. And avenged her death.
@@neilkurzman4907 Then, to make up for all of that, she got pregnant with Q later and had a q.
@@MrOarson
Now that you put it that way I guess it’s a theme for the actress.
Naa at least Worf had a thing with her. Harry Kim is far worse.
@Jonathan Blackbow -- Also he attempted to make her his wife.
"I fail to understand why."
Not sure if insult or compliment.
Why not both?:D
@@jaredpatterson1701 Yes I Agree !!! Both !!! Most Klingon Answer For The Both Of Them !!! QaPlah !!!
No matter what character she played; no makeup could hide that body.
Non-skin-tight clothes might have helped.
Wardrobe and padding go along way.
Body? A straight stick has more curves.
@@OldMastyr3 That's some terrible brain damage you have there.
@@OldMastyr3 Tell us you're blind without telling us you're blind.
She is a sexy as a Klingon as she is a Vulcan. (Dr. Selar)
Star Trek's orchestra score every episode was fire, always matching the emotions and drama of the scene.
Superb acting here by Suzie and Michael.
THe first few seasons anyway, then they fired the composer. There used to be scores on CD but they are super rare and hard to find. Later seasons were almost silent.
I think Worf was probably playing Solitaire or Minesweeper before the camera panned around to show the display. 😆
Early 23rd century: Klingon chancellor L'Rell
(got it with Mister Tyler)
Late 23rd century: Mara, mate of Kang
(Mister Chekov tried to get it)
Late 24th century: K'elyhr, mate of Worf
"You've come a long way, Baby!"
Imagine if she had lived and met Dax later
K'Ehleyr is red spandex-clad proof that you can be unbelievably feminine and still be a strong woman character. Modern female characters pale in comparison.
That's because she was a woman first
She's also ignorant and close-minded. Not the best traits for an ambassador.
@@develynseether4426I mean…. She’s a Klingon
I don't even know why you Reactionaries even watch Star Trek. Star Trek strived to be Progressive even though it usually fell short. This the opposite of Reactionaries who cling to the past as if the future will somehow destroy them.
@@allnamesaretakenful I see comments like this and it has the same vibe as "Jesus was a Progressive" and it illustrates a primary flaw in Progressiveism, you can't create anything that is thought provoking or popular because every thought in your head and word that comes out of your mouth is a lecture about how everyone and everything around you is racist, sexist, misogynistic, bigoted, hateful or toxic. At some point, you goombas need to realize that if everyone around is an asshole, it's probably not them, and also that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Gosh she is amazing.
"I am familiar with your appearance"
Going to try using that line. Classic.
Season 2 had a handful of good episodes. This was definitely one of them.
One thing I have noticed in shows today, even in the Nu Trek - I can't think of ever having a scene like this where the music sets the tone so well.......or may Ron Jones's compilations were just that good at setting the scene. 0:58 when the soft Klingon 'love' theme begins to play, it just adds to the drama of the moment in such a good way. I can't remember any of the Nu Trek shows having something like this where the music helps you FEEL the moment! Alas, I think its something missing from alot of modern TV these days - they've forgotten how powerful music is, even in its gentlest form!!
I wish K'Ehleyr would not have been killed off in her second appearance. She was a great charactor.
Ricker isn't busy and he's not afraid of a few bumps and bruises.
They were having a different conversation. They were saying something else. ❤😉
The space opera style will be missed
0:27
Best burn/pick up line ever XD
"Not as far as I'm concerned."
Goes to finish that game of tetris.
She made a great Mrs Q in Voyager 🤗
Truer words were never spoken.
I hated how unprofessional she was, but this scene made us appreciate Worf so much more.
😠 "And those beans are MINE, Worf, and mine ONLY! Meeting adjourned!" 😆
They make a great couple
And having stubborn kids
The Worf of DS9 would have known what to do with her :)
With a ton o' respect to Dax, K'Ehleyr is also GOATed✊
She is a giant.
Worf's pimp game is strong. Never give them an inch.
He did have much to teach us about women.
Nice job Warf. Watch out. Riker is around. He likes Kilingon women... Actually they like him
“And it gives you no pleasure to see me.”
Baby, it gives me tons! 😘
I can just figure out what it would be like to make dinner decisions for these two.
Worf- " You are late"
Keyleyr- "I was late before Alex was born. YOU are late."
I'd almost forgotten about this scene - I find it...curiously comforting. these two women, commiserating about their shared experience being genitcally stretched across at least two cultural experiences - and having to reconcile each of their two particular cultures - one finding a sort of strength from their two options, and one regretfully hating the conflict between at least one of the origin cultures. It's a HUMAN moment...which is what, I feel, Star Trek does best. It's not about which one is RIGHT or WRONG - it's about two different ways of seeing the various options, and how one is affected by the choices we make, and the perspectives we have. Truth is, dealing with being a "half breed", as ugly a term as that is, is something Star Trek has always been at the forefront of. Spock was one our first, and trying to decide if being a half-breed was divisive, or a kind of strength, was always a feature of star trek - and I'm glad to see it re-occur in this episode
Klingon couple fights are 'memorable'.
Even Klingon women have to have the last word. Lol
Bet those two had fun filming thier scenes together
"I am familiar with your appearance"
Dunked on
Even as a Klingon she looks smoking hot :)
Troi should have seen K'Ehleyr during this. I know Troi had somewhere of an understanding of K'Ehleyr's temper, but this would have given her a perspective of it
Susie: “I can even make Klingon women look good!”
Worf: “Are you going to carry out your duties or aren’t you??”
K’Ehlar: “Oh, wait, I DO bite…”
K'Ehleyr & B'Lanna Torres Paris & two females on Bird of Prey with Riker were good-looking Klingons. Let da bre--tfe-di-g begin Lol,Lmao!
Can we just commence with the banging already?
One gorgeous Klingon.
"Hell hath no fury..."
But then, Shakespeare never met a Klingon.
I'd have folded almost immediately
She really got under his skin!!!😁
"Bite me alien boy!"
*Suzie Plakson was giving off major Erin Gray vibes in this scene.*
K'Ehleyr is such a thirst trap omg
WHOA, what a babe of a Klingon!
I dunno why I love to watch those klingon in mating period
No.....means no, miss.....lol
I always wondered why there are so many buttons to push in a future starship.
Have you seen how often their computer malfunctions? Do you think the characters they have on board can write competent code? I wouldn't be surprised if Starfleet software is derived from the sort of "cutting edge" garbage we get today from companies like Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, and Acer.
@@pwnmeisterage Now, that's a good point. Behind the sleek farcade of the Enterprise lays a clunky machine that depends on so many sub systems that keep getting hacked or breaks down.
i liked her alot, a Kathryn Hepburn vibe about the character
I'd adjourn her meeting alright
"I do bite"
Sold.
Dunno, maybe the problem is her half-klingon nature and she should have tried to force herself on him in order to resolve the tension? I'm just spitballing here, but that seems more like the klingon way. To establish respect through authority instead of bickering.
Maybe they both are struggling with their human influences where words vs. actions is weighted differently.
Is there any lore established about how this normally works among klingons?
She proves to be too strong for Robert... Only Marie can handle her..
This scene is very funny, I just realized.
You just know worf went to knock one out after that
Damn she was fine that face,that voice and that hip to waist ratio she had it all.
I hear wedding bells…
Worf just needs to hit it.
Klingon glacier? 😅🤣😂
There's a saying in Japanese, "Close enough to have a fight."
She’s way hotter as a Klingon than in real life.
That actress would have bin a perfect she-hulk in mcu.
Inception: race schism: Raise consciousness: anti-consciousness: raise consciousness error perception reception deflection
this is the kinda woman YOU want in your life!
>:D
Whoa! Hot Klinkoid alert!
Worf "Damn I'm hard, hopefully she doesn't notice"
That outfit was super sexy!
Kiss her.. YOU FOOL!!!
I always liked this show because it was like seinfeld in space
I still haven't watched Seinfeld, should probably get around to it with the amount of references I hear
@@tjwparso I am not sure thats an accurate comparison. I've seen all of seinfeld... several times... tng also...
Man worf must be a great alpha dude. Wasn't phased by a female in the least
Even if they didn't have personal history to color their opinions, what she's saying is still wrong. The whole premise of TNG is finding the right answers and then using those to avoid conflict whenever possible, Picard managed to pull this off against Klingons on multiple occasions.
That's what Worf is explaining. But she is much more used to dealing with Klingons than Worf is. As Klingon politics would show later, putting up with Klingons can leave you with Jade-tinted glasses.
Why can't we get playful women that bite
they shouldn't have killed her off. her and worf would have been a great couple
Miss Q bites? 😂
😍 hubber, hubber.👅
She is supposed to be half human, half Klingon, right? I wonder if based B'elana Torres from Kalar, since she is also Half-Human, Half-Klingon.
They did.
Classic Star Trek fap material 😁👌
K'Ehleyr is better actress than b'elanna torres, she had way more depth and premise in her role.
Apparently she forgot that Klingon men hit women.
She doesn't care, Klingon women hit back.
No... Klingon men read poetry and ducks a lot.
The women give a sound thrashing.
😮