I've studied the Krays for twenty years or so. I believe the fight happened outside the Brown Bear. Ronnie was extremely drunk and got George to come outside where George did indeed beat him up. The following day, Ronnie was up for immediate retaliation but was talked out of it by Reg who told him it would be bad for business and to bide his time. Hence the Blind Beggar. A little known fact about the murder is that George upon seeing Ronnie did say "look who's here". He then also reached into his pocket and said " let's have a drink shall we?" (witness statement taken by police). Regarding the Krays position in criminal circles, Scotland Yard considered them to be at the top for the ten years before they caught. I personally think that they were at their toughest in their late teens, early twenties where they had a 30 strong gang that managed to get barred from every dance hall in London! They always lead from the front, steaming in with fists, head butts, knives, bayonets and bike chains. Like any hard guys though, there is always someone that bit tougher (George Cornell!) and like most other gangsters , weapons are then used. But they were certainly feared by 99% of people. Prison of course, after a while, broke both of them mentally and physically.
Perhaps George should have stayed home that fateful night. Who knows.... On the other hand, nicely done and your narrative is on point too. Thanks for the upload.👏🏾👏🏾💯
Good work-very interesting. I liked the use of Google Map footage with the old boozers as well, really brings it to life. I might try to have a pint in the Blind Beggar at some point.
These really are excellent videos. I know that in one of them you were concerned with your presentation, don't be keep it just as it is, it's unique and really holds the attention.
Just happened upon this and it is truly well done. Even though I'm in the States, I have a cousin in Walthamstow and have read many things about Ron & Reg. Quite an interesting time in the "old days". Thanks, cheers.
@@Richie2015 I’ve read George and Ronnie got in a fight once and George got the better albeit by just a little, Ronnie gave George a good beating too. Not sure if it’s true. Thanks for this video. 👍
Studied at Royal London Hospital Dental institute early naughties. Probably the only place in the world where you can feel completely vulnerable but completely protected. Mental.
Another nice video, Rich. You mentioned the sound quality from the mike, and you have no worries there. The sound is quite good. Thank you, and do take care, amigo.
Georgie was a seriously hard man ,he smashed ronnie up and that's why ron shot him, he was one of the very few people who wasn't scared of the krays and Ron didn't like that at all..lol
Fella who got his hair burt off by Ronnie said George knocked Ronnie outside a boozer, bit suspect on that one. Deffo he wasn't scared of Ronnie . Good interview with Charlie him saying Ronnie said to George don't push me to far. That to me means Ronnie was half worried about George ability.
Another great video Rich, one audio tape by Ronnie kray he says George Cornell never called him a fat puff in his life but he did say he was going to do me so I had to do him first, that's actually on a Ronnie kray audio tape recorded inside Broadmoor.
Mate, I really like your approach. You look a different options and don't take anything for granted. Did you see the RUclips interview with the barmaid.
Ian Barrie was on the same wing as me in 1982 , HMP Featherstone. He was a quiet man , seemed to keep himself very much to himself . He certainly still had an aura of being able to look after himself .
@@alfiemoon2516 Well I can assure you that I wouldn't lie . Tony Lambriano was on one of the other wings but I don't recall ever seeing him . I do remember that the visits were called over the tannoy in the order the visitors arrived in . Lambrianou was always called in the first 1- 3 names . So his wife had come all the way up from London so she must have been keen . A couple of years later I saw photos of him in the Sun out on the town and in nightclubs . Then I read the marriage was over and he had a much younger consort.
Cornell was hard as f*** word is he knocked out Ronnie who was the more feared of the twins. I believe it, Cornell looks like he'd take all of them from both gangs to me.
Had a few convocations with Jimmy Lambriano at his pub in Dorset back in 05,i was seeing 1§of his barmaids. Nice bloke, had some nice late night chats,hearimg some cool story's about Ron and Reg and his brothers etc.Also, I've done a bit of jail myself, back in the day, and in98 I was in HMP Dartmoor and I was in C wing 2nd landing cell number 5..who was in that cell.. Frank Mitchell. Well, that's what a few of the screws told me anyway.
HI RICH, IM WATCHING ALL YOUR VIDS BACK TO BACK AGAIN FOR THE 8TH TIME NOW. SUCH A DELIGHT. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED DOING A VID ON JACK THE RIPPER, I THINK YOU'D DO AN INTERESTING TAKE ON IT.
awesome Rich so interesting as always thanks 😊 the bit where you said “it all added up in Ron’s mind then he went and killed him” so funny choked on my tea 😂 enjoy these videos on the Krays prefer to twins to the Richardson’s I think
I think it was many issues building up, I think the final straw was Mr Smiths, and because the Haywards were very close to FF, I felt he thought he was obliged to do what he did to George, it was allegedly said he had sworn vengeance over it, still I'm only guessing
Great video, I think George could have beaten Ron, and Ron with his disturbed mind could not let it go and thought the only way he can beat George is with a gun! But who knows exactly what happened!
Lots has been said about Cornell chining Ronnie. Where was Reggie when this was meant to have happened? Wouldn’t it have been brought up in trial? Wouldn’t the Richardson’s or Frankie Fraser have mentioned it in documentaries? Find it hard to believe and the story seems to have gathered pace after both twins passed away
@@NuevoExistence Well his mate said when they walked in, the pub was completely empty, not a soul in there. Thats from the guy that was there with him, not sure whe you read that from but i shall not judge it.
@@richardjones3792 I think you’re reading too far into some random rumours. He wanted to kill him so he did, simple as that. He said himself in his broadmoor interview, George was issuing threats against him so he got to him first.
@@Knocksley no,I'm not. You lack logic and common sense. Ron wanted to kill everyone, everyday there would be a new target for some ridiculous "slight". Ask Connie whitehead. He was wary of George. Its common knowledge he could handle himself. By the way, shooting an unarmed guy...brave.
@@richardjones3792 “ask connie whitehead” There’s a ton of books out there with plenty more insight than just connie whitehead. He wasn’t wary of him at all, they just didn’t like each other. Ron told Charlie “that Cornell better not f*****g go too far with me” … it was building up to something happening for a while. Common knowledge George could handle himself yeah, they all could handle themselves, which has absolutely nothing to do with the shooting.
the kray twins, they have no bottle, what you call gangsters, Ron kray was sacred stiff of George Cornell, if you've got to use a gun on a rival, it says it all really.
Dont think he needed much of an excuse Rich. Any or reason or excuse. Bless Good video narrated bud. Most likely a mixture of your reasoning why. But but but. Thanks for uploading👍
Ya makes no sense because twins were Solid boxers since they were young and would’ve shudve put on a clinic anyone 1v1, Never heard of George Cornell being trained in boxing or anything. I think he may have justgot a reallky lucky hit on the chin because without a background in fighting (if all u had was fist fights youd still get wrecked without actual training per say)
@@effortlessawareness8778 you dont have to be in boxing to be a natural fighter just because you box dont mean you have an advantage on the roads I've seen aload of boxers fighting on the roads and getting beat
Can never be certain that they stayed there. We have to go by what the Teales say really. It was mentioned that they stayed there at the trial in 1969 but once again it was the Teales that mentioned it. I do believe it to be true
Yes I think he had 2, a boy and a baby girl when he was killed. What's sad is both the Kray (France's) and George and his wife 's tombstones have been defaced. George 's son have an interview blasting Kray "fans" and someone completely vandalized and destroyed his parents tombstone. Someone wrote on France's Shea Kray's tombstone a message about remembering Cornell and McVitie.
Were they; you need to do a little more research, about this era & the London criminal underworld, of this period. Cornell/Moody were definitely not petrified of the Krays; it was probably the other way around.
It's no coincidence ron did this ONE DAY after the Richardsons were arrested, he wouldn't have dared otherwise. It shows ron was wary of the Richardson gang. It makes him look like a sneaky coward to be honest.
@@user-mc6ep6ll9v you're obviously biased in favour of the krays, or dumb. Which is it? Be objective and use some common sense. If he would've, why didn't he? Do you honestly think its a coincidence he shot an unarmed man, which is very brave, within 24 hours of Eddie and Frank being arrested? Its common knowledge the krays were wary of the power of the richardsons. The krays didn't lay a finger on the Richardsons when they attacked Eric Mason with an axe.
In short. East end based dock gang from the late 1800's / early 1900's. Use of large container ships and the reduced importance of London docks meant that the Watney Streeter's eventually disappeared.
Ronnie Kray was becoming too volatile to kill so openly. Nipper Reid was God's servant to curb monstrous evil. Romans 13:4 For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Are you on spice?Ronny never got away with murder at all. Mate not bad but PLEASE AT LEAST READ A BOOK ABOUT THE KRAYS luv u loads DAVE LONDON ☮️UK FOR UKRAINE ☮️
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I've studied the Krays for twenty years or so.
I believe the fight happened outside the Brown Bear. Ronnie was extremely drunk and got George to come outside where George did indeed beat him up.
The following day, Ronnie was up for immediate retaliation but was talked out of it by Reg who told him it would be bad for business and to bide his time.
Hence the Blind Beggar.
A little known fact about the murder is that George upon seeing Ronnie did say "look who's here". He then also reached into his pocket and said " let's have a drink shall we?" (witness statement taken by police).
Regarding the Krays position in criminal circles, Scotland Yard considered them to be at the top for the ten years before they caught.
I personally think that they were at their toughest in their late teens, early twenties where they had a 30 strong gang that managed to get barred from every dance hall in London! They always lead from the front, steaming in with fists, head butts, knives, bayonets and bike chains.
Like any hard guys though, there is always someone that bit tougher (George Cornell!) and like most other gangsters , weapons are then used.
But they were certainly feared by 99% of people.
Prison of course, after a while, broke both of them mentally and physically.
Perhaps George should have stayed home that fateful night. Who knows.... On the other hand, nicely done and your narrative is on point too. Thanks for the upload.👏🏾👏🏾💯
Really enjoyed your video Rich loads of information I didn’t even know about the Twins and George Cornell. Well done!
Thanks Simon i am pleased you enjoyed it
Thanks so much for filling in a few gaps in this case, very well done and much appreciated.
Thank you Derek
Good work-very interesting. I liked the use of Google Map footage with the old boozers as well, really brings it to life. I might try to have a pint in the Blind Beggar at some point.
Thank you Jake
Is the Blind Beggar pub still there today ?
@@matthewstevenson3002 yes mate it sure is
These really are excellent videos. I know that in one of them you were concerned with your presentation, don't be keep it just as it is, it's unique and really holds the attention.
Thank you Hernando very kind of you to say
Just happened upon this and it is truly well done. Even though I'm in the States, I have a cousin in Walthamstow and have read many things about Ron & Reg. Quite an interesting time in the "old days". Thanks, cheers.
Thanks
@@Richie2015 I’ve read George and Ronnie got in a fight once and George got the better albeit by just a little, Ronnie gave George a good beating too. Not sure if it’s true. Thanks for this video. 👍
@@paulrupright4694 cornell knocked ronnie out dude
Mate I’m from Bethnal Green and this is amazing I love your page !
Thank you glad you enjoy it mate
Rich2015 please keep uploading mate and have a good evening 👍🏼
Studied at Royal London Hospital Dental institute early naughties.
Probably the only place in the world where you can feel completely vulnerable but completely protected. Mental.
captainroger and what was your point of this comment ? Lol
Cheers Rich, another really great video and very interesting.
Thanks Stigg as always
Another nice video, Rich. You mentioned the sound quality from the mike, and you have no worries there. The sound is quite good. Thank you, and do take care, amigo.
Cheers Jim
Georgie was a seriously hard man ,he smashed ronnie up and that's why ron shot him, he was one of the very few people who wasn't scared of the krays and Ron didn't like that at all..lol
You sure he beat him up? Apparently Cornell was completely fearless and had a neck "like a tree trunk"
@@kingdaleclarke I've been told by people who was there and the rumours after the fact so yes I'm sure George Myers aka Cornell beat him up..
@@darrenfry4689 ah fair enough, I reckon reg would of been a better fight for Cornell , fitter than Ron
@@darrenfry4689 Evidence? Who were the people that were there and where did it happen. Name them so we can find out the real story.
Fella who got his hair burt off by Ronnie said George knocked Ronnie outside a boozer, bit suspect on that one. Deffo he wasn't scared of Ronnie . Good interview with Charlie him saying Ronnie said to George don't push me to far. That to me means Ronnie was half worried about George ability.
Another great video Rich, one audio tape by Ronnie kray he says George Cornell never called him a fat puff in his life but he did say he was going to do me so I had to do him first, that's actually on a Ronnie kray audio tape recorded inside Broadmoor.
Top man, great insight, Great to see something totally different like this 👍
Thank you Jaesen
Lenny pants on fire Hamilton would say anything to keep the interviewer buying him drinks but other people have confirmed it
It might be worth mentioning that the 'Blind Beggar' was just around the corner, a half a mile, from Vallance Road.
It was also Cornell’s local, before he moved south.
"He doesn't come across as a rapist" ....Bill Cosby says hello.
🤣💯 That is exactly what I thought when he said that.
Mate, I really like your approach. You look a different options and don't take anything for granted. Did you see the RUclips interview with the barmaid.
Thank you mate. Yes i saw the one with the barmaid. I heard she is still alive?
Anyone who says they wasn't scared of Ron was either telling Porky's or was as mad as Ron.
According to some accounts Ronnie hated George cause George sparked him outside a pub.
That was an excellent video, thank you!
As always, brilliant! Well done rich
Cheers Darren
George Cornell's son was one of my best mates i was a pallbearer at his funeral last year, rip Billy Myers
How did he die mate he couldn’t of been that old in his 50s? He did a newspaper interview a couple years ago
@@Ironz89 Died in his sleep, complications of a head injury a little while back, he was 58 i think
@Bert Clarke That makes absolutely no sense you dumb fuck.
@Bert Clarke Danny is right , you just sound like a disrespectful plank !
@Bert Clarke you're an insensitive C . Best lay off the Grog mate if it brings the nastiness out in you .
Ian Barrie was on the same wing as me in 1982 , HMP Featherstone. He was a quiet man , seemed to keep himself very much to himself . He certainly still had an aura of being able to look after himself .
I read he got released in 1980
@@alfiemoon2516 Well I can assure you that I wouldn't lie . Tony Lambriano was on one of the other wings but I don't recall ever seeing him . I do remember that the visits were called over the tannoy in the order the visitors arrived in . Lambrianou was always called in the first 1- 3 names . So his wife had come all the way up from London so she must have been keen . A couple of years later I saw photos of him in the Sun out on the town and in nightclubs . Then I read the marriage was over and he had a much younger consort.
Ian was released 1985 I believe .
Cornell was hard as f*** word is he knocked out Ronnie who was the more feared of the twins. I believe it, Cornell looks like he'd take all of them from both gangs to me.
he'd knocked him out (ron) before, apparently. its generally know he was no push over
Jimmy moody was the man
Brilliant video thanks
You can tell he didn't want any parts of George as far as fighting. I believe he did get beat up.
Any new documentaries on the twins would be great if you could upload it cheers
Secrets of the Krays 2021 new video 👍
Just love all your videos keep it up 💯💯
Thank you Jackie
Had a few convocations with Jimmy Lambriano at his pub in Dorset back in 05,i was seeing 1§of his barmaids. Nice bloke, had some nice late night chats,hearimg some cool story's about Ron and Reg and his brothers etc.Also, I've done a bit of jail myself, back in the day, and in98 I was in HMP Dartmoor and I was in C wing 2nd landing cell number 5..who was in that cell.. Frank Mitchell. Well, that's what a few of the screws told me anyway.
I was in the cell Reggie had been in at Leicester prison apparently.
@@Lineandsinker87 good job you weren't banged up with him !
Always enjoy your videos rich take care
Thanks Barry
HI RICH, IM WATCHING ALL YOUR VIDS BACK TO BACK AGAIN FOR THE 8TH TIME NOW. SUCH A DELIGHT. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED DOING A VID ON JACK THE RIPPER, I THINK YOU'D DO AN INTERESTING TAKE ON IT.
Thanks James. I hope i wont get on your nerves ;)
@@Richie2015 NOT AT ALL MY FRIEND, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU RICH.
@@jamesjackson-df1hi Dont know much about Jack The Ripper tbh. Have a good Christmas too mate
awesome Rich so interesting as always thanks 😊 the bit where you said “it all added up in Ron’s mind then he went and killed him” so funny choked on my tea 😂 enjoy these videos on the Krays prefer to twins to the Richardson’s I think
Thanks Bobby
@@Richie2015 no worries 🙂
Loving these videos
Thank you mate glad you are enjoying them
@@Richie2015 they’re great. I love your commentary. any chance you can do one about Albert Reading?
Ur a legend for this
I think it was many issues building up, I think the final straw was Mr Smiths, and because the Haywards were very close to FF, I felt he thought he was obliged to do what he did to George, it was allegedly said he had sworn vengeance over it, still I'm only guessing
Love seein my fave car outside the pub. Mk2 zephyr/zodiac. Plenty mischief in those cars in the late 70s here in NZ.
Great video, I think George could have beaten Ron, and Ron with his disturbed mind could not let it go and thought the only way he can beat George is with a gun! But who knows exactly what happened!
Yes i agree mate
What happened was a thug got a bullet in the head and the other thug got life,end of story.
Great video, well done.
Thank you
How does a rapist come across?
Lots has been said about Cornell chining Ronnie. Where was Reggie when this was meant to have happened? Wouldn’t it have been brought up in trial? Wouldn’t the Richardson’s or Frankie Fraser have mentioned it in documentaries? Find it hard to believe and the story seems to have gathered pace after both twins passed away
It’s obviously complete BS
Yes you make good valued points I don't think Cornell + kray had a fight otherwise more people would said about it over the years
Why do people including Nipper read keep saying the pub was full, when Albert Woods stated the pub was completely empty (not a soul in there)
@@NuevoExistence Well his mate said when they walked in, the pub was completely empty, not a soul in there.
Thats from the guy that was there with him, not sure whe you read that from but i shall not judge it.
Bruce the pub was full ive met thousands of people who's dad uncle brother aunt whatever was there
The Krays were doing quite well but the Richardsons were making fortunes
It was the kicking he got outside The Brown Bear 100% a person with psychological issues can't let things like that go.
The fact ron shot him says it all...he knew he couldn't just give him a slap, there would be instant consequences.
Obviously didn’t want to just give him a slap did he 😂
@@Knocksley you miss the point, he'd slapped people for a lot more. He couldn't just slap George.
@@richardjones3792 I think you’re reading too far into some random rumours. He wanted to kill him so he did, simple as that. He said himself in his broadmoor interview, George was issuing threats against him so he got to him first.
@@Knocksley no,I'm not. You lack logic and common sense. Ron wanted to kill everyone, everyday there would be a new target for some ridiculous "slight". Ask Connie whitehead. He was wary of George. Its common knowledge he could handle himself. By the way, shooting an unarmed guy...brave.
@@richardjones3792 “ask connie whitehead” There’s a ton of books out there with plenty more insight than just connie whitehead. He wasn’t wary of him at all, they just didn’t like each other. Ron told Charlie “that Cornell better not f*****g go too far with me” … it was building up to something happening for a while. Common knowledge George could handle himself yeah, they all could handle themselves, which has absolutely nothing to do with the shooting.
Ronnie Kray was the stuff of nightmares
Very interesting and real. Love the videos
Thank you Michael
the kray twins, they have no bottle, what you call gangsters, Ron kray was sacred stiff of George Cornell, if you've got to use a gun on a rival, it says it all really.
You wouldn't of said that too them though would you. You would lose your arsehole if Ronnie or Reggie Kray were standing Infront of you.
Ron would bum you .
God bless them all they have all departed xxx
Anyone think Cornell could be played by Jay's dad from The Inbetweeners?
What is this fascination with the twins ????
He beat one of the twins in a fight,they never got over it .
Dont think he needed much of an excuse Rich. Any or reason or excuse. Bless Good video narrated bud. Most likely a mixture of your reasoning why. But but but. Thanks for uploading👍
Thanks Joe. I think it was a spare of the moment thing,the next evening or the one before he probably wouldn't have done it
My gran dad was scotch jack
The Richardson Brothers was bigger gangster
I love the Krays.
George was a big strong man and only 38 when he was killed, in the movies he was a small older man 🤔
i believe georgie knocked him out georgie was supposed to be known for being very tough
Ya makes no sense because twins were Solid boxers since they were young and would’ve shudve put on a clinic anyone 1v1, Never heard of George Cornell being trained in boxing or anything. I think he may have justgot a reallky lucky hit on the chin because without a background in fighting (if all u had was fist fights youd still get wrecked without actual training per say)
@@effortlessawareness8778 you dont have to be in boxing to be a natural fighter just because you box dont mean you have an advantage on the roads I've seen aload of boxers fighting on the roads and getting beat
Mick O'Shea
I see
@@effortlessawareness8778 Krays were 5’7” shortarses by all accounts.
Brilliant!
Rich you say "i dont think" alot so what you really mean is you don't know?
I don't see the logic of going in hiding in Moresby Rd when Cedra crt is at the bottom of it, do we know it's really true?
Can never be certain that they stayed there. We have to go by what the Teales say really. It was mentioned that they stayed there at the trial in 1969 but once again it was the Teales that mentioned it. I do believe it to be true
@@Richie2015 Who are the Teales?
I doubt they would have gone too far away from their dear old mum .
Did George hav any children and who gets the money on the books and the things about the twins now they gone
Yes I think he had 2, a boy and a baby girl when he was killed. What's sad is both the Kray (France's) and George and his wife 's tombstones have been defaced. George 's son have an interview blasting Kray "fans" and someone completely vandalized and destroyed his parents tombstone.
Someone wrote on France's Shea Kray's tombstone a message about remembering Cornell and McVitie.
Why do the Brits glorify these thugs?
Why do you guys glorify John Gotti
didn't ron shoot george with a Luger.
no
a mauser 9mm
Speak about Ronnie Kray ❗️
George gave Ronnie a beating 😂 shut up ffs. They were all petrified of the krays
Were they; you need to do a little more research, about this era & the London criminal underworld, of this period. Cornell/Moody were definitely not petrified of the Krays; it was probably the other way around.
Moody also did some work 4 the krays but man to man apparently he was the hardest in London
Bobby Till ?
Teale
It's no coincidence ron did this ONE DAY after the Richardsons were arrested, he wouldn't have dared otherwise. It shows ron was wary of the Richardson gang. It makes him look like a sneaky coward to be honest.
Ronnie was in prison with the Richardsons and they didn't say or do shit about the Cornell killing.
Ronnie would of done Cornell Infront of the Richardsons and he planned to kill them too.
@@user-mc6ep6ll9v you're obviously biased in favour of the krays, or dumb. Which is it? Be objective and use some common sense. If he would've, why didn't he? Do you honestly think its a coincidence he shot an unarmed man, which is very brave, within 24 hours of Eddie and Frank being arrested? Its common knowledge the krays were wary of the power of the richardsons. The krays didn't lay a finger on the Richardsons when they attacked Eric Mason with an axe.
Last of the Watney Streeter's I believe
Yeah he was i forgot to mention that
In short. East end based dock gang from the late 1800's / early 1900's. Use of large container ships and the reduced importance of London docks meant that the Watney Streeter's eventually disappeared.
The Richardson gangster run London
Scotch?
Ronnie Kray was becoming too volatile to kill so openly. Nipper Reid was God's servant to curb monstrous evil. Romans 13:4 For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
cut the religious crap
@@harryevans1347Jesus bless you Harry
Fred foreman and crew would of killed the twins but they got nicked
God bless you and all who sail in you !🛳⛴🚢
Lol
This mans voice is irritating
Great clips Rich mate 🧀
Glad you could explain everythong mate, id of love to have been about with them, they was a rare kind
Are you on spice?Ronny never got away with murder at all. Mate not bad but PLEASE AT LEAST READ A BOOK ABOUT THE KRAYS luv u loads DAVE LONDON ☮️UK FOR UKRAINE ☮️
this fellas got a lot of respect for the perverted kray twins...
We rubberneck car accidents, doesn't mean we want to put our heads through a windscreen