I Ran 4 kilometres in my 18th Century Stays
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Hello and welcome to this video!
After completing my 18th century stays over a year ago I soon realised that they weren't really those torture devices that we constantly are told. However, even if they indeed worked perfectly, I couldn't avoid thinking of how it would have been to really try them during something quite physical, and my thoughts then developed into an idea where I would run in them for a couple of kilometres. I thought this would have been a fun way to really found out how this garment would affect my breathing during hard physical labor. The whole idea turned out to be an exiting, interesting and ... breathtaking experiment.
I also want to note that I, during this video describes certain experiences, and the consequences that I percieve. This doesn't have to be a general thing, and even if I expresses things during the process like that's a universal, scientific truth, it's most often just my own perception.
...and before you ask:
1 Kilometer = 0.621371 Miles
And also, yes I know that the lacing of the stays are modern, but I'm still looking for the perfect linen cord ;)
Kan du inte göra en video där du syr en sån typ av korsett?😍 älskar verkligen dina videos och älskar att du är svensk för man kan relatera på ett helt annat sätt haha ❤
@@kiwibengtsson8546 Nämen vad roligt att höra! Det kanske jag gör i framtiden, känner att detta par behöver bytas ut snart ;)
Ja jag tänkte på det när du sa de i videon så tänkte att de vore ju perfekt 😁
Forsök med lucetted cord? I have had the same woollen lucetted cord for my stays for ten years. - very interesting video, though!
I mainly guessed what kiwi said but I would also love to see a video about making stays because I feel like I need a pair for my horrible posture while working
such a cool idea! I would go breathless even without stays lol 😂
Hahahah 😂 It wasn't a huge difference though, I'm sure it would have worked out quite similar for you😊
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same I would to.
AAAAHHHH YES! This, all this! I commend you for your contribution to Science madam 😉
(I can't even run 4 km in the best of circumstances, so thank you for testing it for us!)
every actress who claims they’ve almost died just from standing in a corset/stays found murdered by this video
Or you can respect actresses for not wanting to wear an item of oppression. Close minded unempathetic much?
@Alina McPherson lol i meant compression whatever its called when your ribs and organs are being suffocated
@Alina McPherson my conversation isnt with you so im not readint hat comment piss off
J S Corsets and stays don’t do that though. A well fitted corset or pair of stays is very comfortable. It’s only uncomfortable of harmful if it’s not sized to your measurements or if it’s laced very tightly,which isn’t the norm.
I never get why big movies imply tight lacing so much. And the super tiny waist. Two movies that come to mind are Cinderella 2015 and Pirates of the Caribbean (I think the first or second part, where Elizabeth's corset is so tight because 'its the fashion in England') It was never fashion. It was quite rare actually. Even for upperclass women. That is why there is so much text about tightlacing, because it was super rare and it was a thing that people found crazy and wanted to read about.
I am also pretty shure that costume makers would at least put a little investigation into historical clothing, they would know that women wore well fitting undergarments. Its probably the directors that want the dramatic forms.
Me: cannot run a single kilometre without getting breathless
Elin: runs 4 kilometres in S T A Y S
I can run pretty much only 600 meters before being out of breath so that makes both of us
Me too. But this can change with practice and repetition. You first have to walk. Just Walk. A LOT! Everywhere, if you can. As you get used to walking a lot, you'll soon be able to run a little bit as well, without becoming breathless. I know this from personal experience. Went to the gym for a month (not daily though) and i would have to walk uphill a bit, until reaching the gym from the bus station. I also used the machine /can't remember its name right now/ and at first i would just walk on it. slowly, i managed to walk up to speed 5.5 or 6 even. and then i slowly increased the speed up to 7 and 8 where i was forced to run. i managed to run for 1 minute or so and not die. LOL. Had i continued to go to the gym, i'm sure i'd be able to run for longer.. /just some tips if you ever want to improve this aspect of your life...
I think if you wore the stays for several days before the run, you would probably do better.
Absolutely! I might incorporate that for a future experiment 😊
Yes, this is what i thought. Because you had not worn them for 6 months your body was not as used to them as when you were performing in them. I think you would have better success if you wore them for a few days first. :)
Also, since it had been a while, not lacing them up 100% may have made it slightly easier
Well, you could build up to the run by doing shorter runs first. But then again, perhaps the local lord might chase after you with some hungry dogs, which would give no time for preparation apart from chasing after chickens.
Well, that is commitment ! It's quite interesting, and an original way to bust some myths. The editing is poetic and so calming, but never pretentious, it's funny but not overdone. Perfect as usual 😊
Thank you so much!
@@elinabrahamsson9442 What is the song playing at the end called?
Stays over modern running attire look... surprisingly fitting
You have a beautiful running route - the scenery alone would make you breathless! I wonder whether if someone wore stays day in day out their body would adjust to work with them so they could breathe deeply down rather than a sort of down and out that you do when not corseted?
That is very likely! One must keep in mind that this was the first time in half a year that I wore them. I remember that I learned to breath in a little different way when I wore them every day. I'm sure people who had been wearing them for every day almost whole their lives would have developed a way to breath "properly", and also didn't really bother since they didn't really have something else to compare with.
It would have been safer to have a bow tied in the lacing so that you could easily release yourself from the stays if you hyperventilated. Also Women of the time would have laced their stays much more loosely when working and anticipating physical activity just as we choose different garments for different activities.
She said this already in the video.
Thank you so much Miss Abrahamsson for busting yet another stay/corset myth... I first saw your endeavour over on the Instagram and was absolutely taken with this ingenious idea of proving that you can do physical work in them. And now after watching your fantastic video about the run and how you felt afterwards it only proves that it is possible. The extreme lacing a fraction of society did in history have built this misconception of constant breathlessness and immobility that people have of corsets nowadays.
I'm so glad you thought this was interesting, thank you!
I was talking with a lady aged around 70 at a local history museum this week. All staff are in 17 to 19th century costume. She is the one who makes their costumes and man's the draper's shop.
She said she appreciates the back support and the way her corset makes her stand straight with good posture. I'm 59 and can tell you she looked energetic, not old and tired. Only her face showed her to be 10 to 15 years older than me.
She also pointed out that women of those centuries, and earlier, had a lot of heavy work to do. Carrying wood and water, making butter, cheese, grinding corn/oats before they could cook, spinning and weaving etc. With all of that they would have been glad of the back support.
This was so neat, as a history major I’m always curious how movement in historically accurate clothes would have been☺️ thanks for sharing!
Thank you!
Those who can’t see beyond their nose think anything different is weird. I think the opposite, I’d love to have you as a neighbour.
Hahahah that's true!
@@elinabrahamsson9442 #nocookiecutters
Looks like a stunning area to run though :D
It is!
If it helps, I wore a set of 18th century stays that I made (again, not brilliantly, but they did the job) for an all day archery shoot on an Aussie summer's day. I was sweaty, but so was everyone else. My posture was AMAZING, and it definitely helped my form.
If I hadn't had to make a few repairs to them, I'd still wear them every week. Indeed, once I've fixed them, or made a new set, I WILL be wearing them.
And let's remember, women wearing full-on Victorian corsets were able to participate in archery, even in competitions.
And before you say it, no, you don't have to run for archery, but it is actually more physical than you think...
Have you watched the myth-busting vids of Izabel, from PriorAttire?
While she doesn’t run for miles, she has done tons of other activities in corsets & mid-Victorian outfits - it’s really good that there are more & more people like yourself, Izabel & Karolina trying to get accurate info out there!
The way you do situps in the stays is how my situps always go😅
Hahahah same here honestly 😂
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I can’t do sit-ups, only crunches.
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I think your body not being as used to the stays as when you were wearing them everyday also probably had an impact on how easy it was to run in them
Great work! This shows that stays and corsets aren't torture devices if they are made to fit you. You can actually move around very well in them despite what people seem to think. This reminds me of the security vests I use when riding. They are covering your ribcage, and your back and spine but not your stomach. (I guess because there is a lot of soft tissue there?). These vests are secured pretty tight but since the stomach is free you can breathe very easily. I actually find that wearing my security vest encouraged me to take deeper breathes rather than breathe on the top of my lungs since that was easier with the free stomach. I actually didn't become so out of breath when wearing the vest compared to not wearing the vest. Even though the vest is made to protect your body against falls I discovered that it helped with breathing "properly" as well. Maybee a stomach-less corset is the answer...?
Maybe! It could actually be that you breath better because you're more aware of the matter.
It would be interesting to recreate the experiment with a pattern for corset/stays designed for breathability (preventing the sticky issue) and movement.
Yes! I now there is some corsets in late 19th century at least that are designed for that, would be interesting to see😊
Isn't there something called corset mesh? It was designed for summer corsets and were super airy, and I've noticed lots of modern dancer costumes use a similar material. I Bought a dress in college that had a built in, see-through corset made of a non-stretchy mesh with bones set in silk casings to accentuate the corset look. Maybe Elin could get that and do a "running corset"
I ran 4 kilometres in stays!
* confused in American *
I wear my corset when i have to work because i stand from 10 to 5 and at the end of the day my back aches so bad. I started wearing my corset for fun and the boning supports my back so well so now whenever i have to work i wear my corset.
Now im making my own pair of stays so i hope to wear those for every day life
For the fellow Americans (or Myanmarese or Liberians) who don't want to multiply 0.621371 * 4, she ran close to 2.5 miles.
I know that feeling of your lungs hitting the stay. I have ran in an underbust corset and you can get panicky when your body can’t do what it is trying to do. Especially when air is involved. I was a bit worried about you on that 3rd km.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one then hahah. That feeling was quite shocking for me, because I hadn't tried them for a while, but maybe more mentally when I'm thinking on it now afterwards.
4 kilometers equals 2.5 miles.
As a reenactor we attended Monmouth Battle reenactment held in June every year. Lots of soldiers wearing
wool coats at generally a very hot time of year with temps as high as 100F. As a water bearer, carrying buckets
of water across the field from camp for the soldiers in full boned stays for about 2 hours non-stop I can say, yes
it's quite possible to run more than 2.5 miles/4kilometers in stays. You will lose a lot of weight doing it.
Stays and corsets are about a million times more comfortable than bras. Hollywood has turned people against them, but they were made by women for women, which is why they were so popular for so long!
Also it does seem that you lace yours too tightly. A properly laced and fitted corset should not inhibit your breath! They should support your chest and flatten your stomach, not squeeze you thinner!
Actually stay/corset makers were usually men. It was really hard to deal with the baleen. It was a male profession. That said, I agree better for supporting the bust. Bras suck. They put all the weight of your breast support right under the breasts in a relatively narrow band. It's a weird thing to do.
@@sycamorevalley8580 you should watch Karolina Zabrowska's video on this, she shows some examples of companies owned by woman in the corsetry business. You should also think about small business, much like today we go to the seamstress down the street or to a specially talented relative that sews for ajustments, they did too for corsetry (as patterns were available at the time). It was not a business per se, and surely was not famous or remarkable in any way, but this has always happened and still do. She makes you a corset, you pay with money or a couple chikens, maybe some corn from the family crops. You know, poor people and country people had their special way of doing things. You'd only buy from big brands if it was for a special occasion or a special garment.
@@Erika-ti3yk I didn't say women didn't ever make corsets, or even go into business doing it. I said TRADITIONALLY it was a male business due to the difficulty handling baleen.
And I don't think women making them had anything to do with their popularity. I think keeping up with the fashion of dress and societal standards had more to do with it.
@@sycamorevalley8580 well I respectfully disagree and I haven't seen a source to make me think otherwise. And I didn't say anything about why people wore corsets, I don't know where you got that from.
@@sycamorevalley8580 You should know that before Charles Worth, fashion was ruled by woman: Madam Palmer, Madam Barra, Madam Prost, Madam Qadri, Madam Brookie, Madam Rebut, Madam Pierrot.
Aren't there stays that are designed for physical activity? I know in the 19th century there were corsets designed for physical activity, but I'm not sure about stays.
I have seen it as well! But not with stays unfortunately. It would be very interesting to do this a second time but with a corset instead, inspired by those late 19th century ones😊
I have seen garments called "jumps" that are much more lightly stiffened and would be like the equivalent of a 18th century sports bra!
Try to do it in a victorian riding corset...
I think you're talking about riding and tennis corsets
Oh my goodness! The interior of your house is just stunning! ❤️
Hahah thank you!
You may have been having trouble fully engaging your iliopsoas muscles (major hip flexors) while you were running uphill & doing sit-ups because of the external abdominal compression (maybe), but more likely (while running) you couldn’t fully use all of your lung power.
I think of stays as period (long-line) brassieres. I always thought that I would do better with stays than with a corset, but I don’t know because I haven’t tried the comparison in real life. I think it a pity that metal eyelets were added to corsets, because those metal eyelets are what made tight-lacing possible.
The biggest medical concerns are:
1. Lower lobe pneumonia, because of under-ventilation of the lower part of both lungs.
2. Gastric reflex (heartburn), because the increased intra-abdominal pressure will push stomach acid up into the esophagus.
3. The increased intra-abdominal and intra-pelvic pressure from a tight pair of stays or a tight-laced corset can cause urinary incontinence and/or vaginal prolapse in women who have given birth.
I highly doubt that women commonly broke their own ribs by excessive tight-lacing! And a well-fitting pair of stays might also provide some extra support to one’s back for heavy-lifting tasks (not unlike a power-lifters wide leather belt).
I think the ribs breaking thing could be possible due to suffering from al illness that debilitate your bones (there were lots of illnesses and infections around) and lack of calcium or bad diet (because diets then weren´t the same as diets now). But of course, the breaking of bones would be a combination of all the factors, not only corsets.
I also dont think middle and lower class women (who were more at risk and who would be more active) wore their stays so tightly. Tight lacing seemed like a very upper class issue.
@@verybarebones Yep! Now I don't really now the exact definition of tight lacing, but I think that a person not used to a pair of stays or a corset (like me in this video) experiences it quite tightly laced, where it in fact, not might be the case.
Wow, Thank you for this information! Much here I didn't know.
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Tightlacing was more a fad, than a custom- & it was likely the preserve of those, that most extreme fashions were; actresses, dancers & other performers (though probably not while working), fashionistas- & the foolish.
Love the place you get to run. Always nice seeing cat cameos so fuzzy. This was definitely a different way to show stays in action. As usual lovely filming and editing of your video. Don't worry about the neighbors they are probably very weird in there own way.
Hahah that's true! I'm so happy you liked it, thank you!😊
Perfect experiment! What beautiful scenery you get to run through
I thought so too! yes, I'm very thankful for that😊
That really was kind of eye opening. Before you started running in the stays, I wasn't sure how well it was going to work, and thought that there was a chance that 4k wasn't going to be possible.
I wasn't sure either😂 but I'm glad you thought the video interesting!
Oh I found this out by accident! I wore a set of stays and all of my petticoats while running around an apple orchard for photos and didn’t modify any of my activity and it felt ok but OH MY GOD was it noticeable how much more exhausted I was at the end of the day! When I let myself relax Sore for days felt like a workout!!!
I felt that too! A little different feeling during the days after :)
Doing situps in a corset or stay is definitely a team activity! I always needed friends to reliably get up lol. Great video!
Hahahah I would have thought of that, damn!
Stays are incredbily comportable! However, I’ve never run in them. I bow to you, Elin!
They really are!😊
Love this!
I haven't really found anything that I can do normally that I can't do in in my stays or my corset. There is actually a fair amount that I can't do normally that I can do in my corset thanks to the support.
I've always been a diaphragm breather though.
So are you going to make a "Sports Stays" for your self? Imagine people doing 5Ks in modern Combat Body Armor
Out here doing the Lord’s work with this corset/stays science lol
Heheheh😏
whoah nevermind running in stays, i'd die after running less than 1 km!
Hahahah you don't know before trying it, right?😉
Becareful dont go running yourself..and be focus around you ...and don't use both earphones..
Of you can sing and dance, you should have been able to run. I always thought that the lacing was top down with criss crossing of the laces so that the tie offs would be at the bottom, and wrapped around your waist, no dangling cords. You need better fitting stays. Should not dig into you. ....... Reenactor who wears corset.
Stays in the 1700s were most commonly spiral laced like this 😊 meaning you get lace ends at both the top and bottom
I'm really glad that you didn't just conclude that the stays did it to you and they're evil, really nice video
that wasnt 4 km of running, that was 4km of crossfit. Look up the canadian story of Laura Secord. I'm sure she ran that distance in stays
I love this idea! I may have to do this with one of my corsets on my own channel!
I would love to see that!
Im worried about everyone in the comments who say they cant run for 1km... guys if you're able bodied theres no reason to treat your bodies so poorly, you only have one. Please take up some form of exercise, sedentarism is deadly.
What music were you in? I've worn them in many, many shows (corsets, though) and I have always LOVED the shape they give. I was quite used to it.
Interesting experiment! Can I ask what pattern you used for the stays?
I used the halfboned diderot stays from Nehelia Patterns, but modiefied them quite a bit😊
You wore stays in a musical? That’s so cool and that would be a dream come true. I would love to make my own pair. What decade is the style from? What pattern did you use?
back when women were wearing stays they had sports stays that were not as restricting as regular stays. you might want to find a pattern of those and then retry the experiment
Alternate video title: Are Illustrations of female archers with leather stays unrealistic
IT'S 12:30 IN THE MORNING IN CALIFORNIA AND I AM HERE FOR THIS
SAME!!!!! Hello from LA!
@@talosheeg Hello from Santa Cruz!
Okay, fair enough, it’s an interesting experiment and everything but WHY WOULD YOU KEEP RUNNING ALONE IN THE WOODS WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ABOUT TO COLLAPSE!?!?
I want a tutorial on thoose stays!
I would love to see some more videos on clothing in the 18th century! Love your video and would love to see more overall videos!!!
That's gangsta. I would pass out. Luckily, they knew back then, that running is a bad idea unless being chased by something dangerous.
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Most people were also active enough in their everyday lives that they didn’t need to set aside time for exercise. Only wealthy people of leisure needed that.
Please could you tell me how a woman would ever nurse a child if she had to wear stays? Would the dress/stays/chemise all have to be undone in order to nurse, then re-dress entirely afterwards? I have a hard time picturing a woman doing that every four hours with a newborn. Do you think maybe they had special clothes for nursing mothers, or at least mothers of newborns?
Marialla correct me if I’m wrong, but often the wealthy people would use a wet nurse and they would nurse the baby not the mother. I’m not sure what middle to lower class women would have done however
@@highlanddancer8671 I'm sure you are correct that nursing was often a job given to others if possible. But even poor and working class women did wear stays, same as everyone wears bras today, so whoever was nursing had to have some kind of method or accommodation for it... and I've never heard it mentioned or read anything about how it was handled.
Marialla I’ll look into it and get back to you. I’m actually starting to write a book on the history of fashion so this will be helpful for me as well, you’ve gotten me curious!
@@highlanddancer8671 That would really be appreciated! Thank you.
this is a good video - you've just experienced what asthma feels like ... well Adult Onset Asthma anyway. I just found out that I have this and when anyone asks what does it feel like your video here explains it for me. Love your work Elin great job ☺♥
Elin, I know that this video was 2 years ago but wanted to let you know a little bit about stays that I have learned from Bernadette Banner.
Women back then were the same sizes as we are today. The secret to having a "tiny" waist was an illusion created by the proportions. The bust was 10 inches bigger than the waist and the hips were 15 inches bigger than the waist! They were not lacing up tight! The stays were snug fitting to give support.
I would like to see a new video done with a properly fitted stays or corset and then you running in that. I suspect that the results will be different.
Keep sewing,plant dyeing and producing all that you do, young lady. You are amazing!
I used to larp in a steel boned victorian-style corset (as brigantine armor). With gear and other armor. Definitely not impossible to breathe. Actually great back support for hiking
Looking for information on being active in a corset. Found this very helpful!
Seems as if 18th century stays might be better for bending, reaching etc.
Also: your running circuit is epic. Mine is in a suburb.
I can't run 4 km even without the stays xD
As a person working a quite physical job (nusing) i am curious as to how wearing stays would impact my work now. Another reason to finally make some, I guess:)
I love your videos! you have such an interesting way of explaining and discovering historical garments as well as the attention to details. I also love seeing the nature and farm life it makes your videos very pleasing to watch! 😊
Hahah I try to do my best anyway! Thank you😊
I think that this is exactly why you find different support garments for different classes as well. Bravo for the attempt though - I'm not sure I can run 4km without stays.
Your stay is beautiful! Where would one go to be fitted for a traditional stay/corset that’s meant to be worn as an undergarment like this one? I’m looking for one that will support the bust but doesn’t actually provide full coverage.
I’m curious to how it would feel to run completely dressed in medieval clothing.
I assume the main problem with wearing a stays during a jog is probably the lack of cooling at the stomach area. Originally it is human's natural adaptation that allows us to run for a very long distance meanwhile the other animals can perform only sprints because they've got a furry belly.
Hello! Nice video :) where did you find these stays? Beautiful!
Could you make a video how to make 18th century stays? :)
Well done.
I think maybe regency stays would be a bit easier to run in as they were shorter. Loved this video. 😊
Good to see this myth busted again. It's almost as bad as the "defibrillator to restart a heart" nonsense.
After some thoughts, it could be dangerous. You gave very small chance to that you can have some problems while wearing corset, but you ran in forest alone. Even small chance is not worth to risk.
Of course you got cat hair with that beast, but it is already over the whole place so you really can not blame it on that encounter.
Was there a specific pattern or surviving corset you based this one on?
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If I lived next to a forest, I would run every day.
I will say, my sit-ups look like that all the time...
What pattern did you use for your stays?
Wooooooow! You are really, really crazy 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
The situps were my favorite part
Your stays look very comfyyy
You are very beautiful🌷
Did you make the stays yourself? That’s amazing! Where can I get one? 😍
I can't even run 1 kilometer without stays... haha! In all seriousness though, this video has lovely production and sends a very important message!
i love it!!! I've been wondering how did it work because I've only seen people talking about how stays weren't uncomfortable at all but THAT was a good example.
I'm obsessed with your channel 💛
such a cool idea!
However, there are some things that I should have liked to know before this inofficial experiment:
Do you go running like this regularly (without the stays)?
Because I noticed that people who start running more often than not perform more poorly the second time they run, especially if they don't give their bodies time to rest (at least one day without running) after the first time.
Talking from personal experience here (when I started jogging, the first time was fine, second time was horrible, third time I felt like dying and only then it became easier, even though I always rested for at least 48 hours) but also from collected experience from other hobby joggers
Do you made your own stays? If yes, may you make a video where you teach how to do it? Please
Hi I am krisha can you make more dress up videos of other century’s
I have plans on doing one this fall!
I want such a forest for my own! I often go on a walk and I think, it would be such a great territory to explore! Where I usually walk, there are marked paths and you can see the influence of the human race everywhere. Especially when you cross people with at least one dog each every 200 meters at least. I always feel like I'm the only person going for a walk and not having a dog with me... (that sentence was rubbish, but I think, you get it) Yeah, it would be great to have such a huge untouched territory to explore :-) you're very lucky :-)
This is a great video! I've been considering running in stays or a corset, because I do have very large breasts and it's uncomfortable to run in a bra for me, plus I have bad posture. I wonder if maybe the breathing would be more comfortable if you wore the stays regularly before the experiment to get your body used to them again? It's something I'll have to try, for sure!
It seems like belly-breathing to recover from a sprint is much less do-able in stays, but especially with worn-in stays physical activity must not have been a huge problem for women back in the day
4k is what in miles?
Brilliant thank you. Very enjoyable video.
Which pattern did you use? I would love to replace my bra collection with stays. Much more comfy
This is great 1st hand experience (even with modern considerations) for anyone wishing to write a novel set in this period. Maybe your heroine needs to flee enemy soldiers? Now you know how to describe it!
😂 who cares what the neighbours think; they're just jealous they're not so cool 😂
Just found your channel! Always love finding more historic costume people. You're gorgeous and I can't wait to watch more of your videos.
Thanks, this experiment was indeed very interesting!
...and I always wondered if stays would be a good bra, or even a sport's bra, so good to know!!
Thanks for sharing! x)
do you remember what pattern you used back then, or did you draft them yourself? Looks stunning