I just saved my honor! I did a test ride last weekend on a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Everything was smooth, but when I turning very slowly to park in front of the dealer, the engine stalled and I did not realized that the bike was so taller then my 2017 TEX, and I could not hold it. I just felt in front of the dealer, with a lot of customers watching me. I was quite shame. Now, I have something else to blame. Thanks 😂
I have a 2022 GT Pro I did try the GSA but I felt the Triumph’s damping was far more tuneable (9 stages) than the BMW’s and more suited to our crappy roads here in the U.K. The other reason for purchase is theTriumph is now made (European models only) here in England, and has the greatest number of in-house parts than any other mass produced brand. 🇬🇧
There only can be ONE 😅😅😅 ... Mine is the Africa Twin Adventure Sports - happy with it since about a 2 years ... best bike ever ... DCT and electronic suspension for sure ✌✌✌
...just decided to do a back-up on height size. ...traded off a GSA and went to an RT. ...have done enough of the "tall" bikes for a while....Tenere to Africa Twin to Tiger 900 Rally to GSA to RT I'm 6 ft with 34" inseam.
The seat on the Tiger is the best seat I ever had on a bike and the engine is amazing! For me it was an easy choice. The BMW was outdated, heavier and boring to ride. I have no problems with stalling.
14:23. I wanted the rally but the height was just too much and I'm 6'1" so I got the GT. Funny though I ended up getting used to the height so put the GT in the high position which is only 5mm lower than the Rally low position. I probs would be fine with the Rally after all but I don't do much dirt roads so am happy with the GT.
Another great video. Even though such bikes are now too heavy and tall for me (same height as you Scott but 67 years old) I still like watching the reviews.
I really like your reviews!!! It will interesting to see what the "new" 1300/ 1400 BMW GS & GSA will be like?!? In the meantime (it can surely be argued) IMO the BMW GS is "overall" one step or at least half a step ahead of all the others in this category. As for me, I no longer need/ want one of these big adventures (different strokes for different folks).
'Behemoth', I didn't know that word, but it hits the nail for me. If I was 2 meters of length and at least 100 kilo of weight I would consider a monster like this. Standing behind the bike you almost disappear, Scott! But...as a review it's excellent quality as ever!
LOL! Thanks Larry, yea, this Rally is too tall for me, if I were to consider buying a Tiger, it'd be the 900GT, a lot lower and lighter. take care, Scott
Maybe you're right without passenger, but with passenger the GS gives the smallest place to sit by far... even the Ducati is more spacious than the GS for tall people. You have to love each other so much on GS, but we are waiting for the new one. ;)
I'm so glad you relate your height. So many test videos where the evaluator talks about issues related to height/weight and NEVER establish how much their's is.
I'd say the standard Africa Twin fits more into the mid size adventure bikes in terms of weight and the overall handling of it, that bike is agile and feels lightweight.
Nice job as always. Biggest downfall for me are the User Interface/dashboard, it just irks me with the system wrench always flashes over the time or you get some ice condition warning always flashing.... you cannot reset without the dealer and there isn't even an odometer on the main screen. Alot of space on that screen and not much useful info shown. Wish they made the GT Pro/Explorer engine without the alternate firing order so you could choose to have that classic triple sound.
Just turned 60 and I want blind spots monitors on my next bike. I sold my KTM1290 last year which freed me up for this bike or the Kawasaki H2 SX SE. This video has me leaning heavily toward Triumph. Thanks
Just bought a Yamaha with small round blind spot mirrors fitted to the OEM ones. I find them very distracting in peripheral vision and will be removing them.
Another thorough and entertaining review👍. Interesting big adventure bike but way too massive for my riding. Just getting it off the side stand appears to be a chore😕
I have a 23 Rally Explorer. Massive issue is 1st gear idle speed. Bikes should really be able to crawl around in 1st gear under 10kph. The Triumph sits at 18kph. This means in heavy traffic or off-road you are constantly on the clutch. When doing ‘self recovery’ (walking beside the bike while it is under its own power) you are again needing to be heavy on the clutch. Any bike that is targeted at adventure riding needs a lot of consideration for slow speed riding. If you get stuck in a boggy track that you need to get out of without the ability to self recover the bike (and you) may be stranded till you get rescued. Rider be aware.
@@hrvojecolic8274 the difference being you don’t have a shaft drive on those so can change sprockets :) I traded the Rally Explorer for a Husky Nord 901 Expedition. Massive upgrade IMO.
Scot I traded my 2020 Tiger for the new GT Explorer. I picked it up at the end of July 2022 and it was the first and only one in the USA until late December. HUGE difference in everything. I LOVE this bike!! BTW, mine is a 2023 model (there were no 2022's in the US) and there was no software update done to mine. Great video Sir! Ride SAFE and BE safe. Cheers 👍👍
*How you liking it???* Will demo a '24 Tiger GT Explorer tomorrow. It is priced on par with the GSA and wondering if Triumph warrants that degree of price parity with BMW. For me.... i love the 36mo/ unlimited mileage warranty. It's the only legit 3 year warranty I have seen.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 I LOVE this bike! I have ridden every ADV bike made and this one, feature for feature blows them out of the water. This is my 2nd Tiger after trading my previous generation 2020 1200 for this one. Mine was the first GT Explorer in the USA until mid January 2023. If you ride it, you will buy it! Ride SAFE and BE safe! Cheers
Thank you for making all the helpful videos I sincerely saved for approximately 2 years to be able to get a bike that would feel comfortable, im 6f 1in With a 34 inseam and i have a long reach I weigh about 225 lbs evenly distributed I didnt want too much gadgetry And here in the US there not test rides where i am I bought a 2023 new Tiger 850 sport for an out the door ready to ride legal on the street for 13,600 I am currently working with this at 5 to 60mph and alot of slow speed maneuvering As you will see this bike has alot of the same things as the more expensive ones Even the engine is 888 There is no booster plug available for this and any power commander system will void the 2 yr warranty so i have to master riding this with the fuel mapping as it is If you have any insights that could help me i greatly appreciate your advice I am 57 and riding is a Therapy for me Once i master this the way i want i plan to get a Tiger 1200 rally pro Or the 900 rally pro and spend time on and off road Thank you my friend Take Care
So far we have adjusted the clutch lever to 3 and i may go to 2 because that helps at the slow speeds. The main issue is this engine was supposed to have V twin characteristics below 4000rpm and inline characteristics above that, but it does seem mostly to have the inline reving character throughout. Maybe a Scrambler 1200xe would be the better choice, the specs say that torque peaks at 3950rpm Any advice from you is Greatly appreciated Thank you
Even though i love my BMW R1250GS i gotta say IMO the Multistrada V4 Rally takes the win, such a magnificent bike....... But in September the R1300GS might change my opinion.... :)
Google "MRA X creen touring" and take a look at this for an option, it really does work, I put this on my BMW900XR. It kicked the wind up and over my head & reduced wind noise. take care, Scott P.S. There are other after market companies that do this too, take a look at them too. 👍😁
@NothingToProve I actually have the mra screen extender. I can feel with my hands the wind is coming from around the sides. Doesn't help having a modular helmet and external helmet intercom.
Extremely interesting review of an extremely interesting bike for me. If I was to buy another bike, I'd be very interested in checking out the bigger TIgers versus the 900 range versus BMW, etc.. Thanks for sharing!
I looked at Tiger 1200 v 900. 1200 weight is 10% more. Power is 50% more. No chain maint on the 1200. Was a no-brainer really (if you don't mind the considerable price difference).
Another great review Scott! I have to wonder who would actually want all that fuel up high and actually ride it off road? I think the 19" on the GT Pro would provide enough gravel capability for this size of bike, but to each their own...😊
Thank you for the video! It's quite informative. Although this Tiger it's the same platform with the ones you tested earlier (gt and rally pro) I would like to have the complete review in one video. But maybe this is me :) I have a question/suggestion. I appreciate your detailed presentation and your unbiased perspective. You're doing this in Avery video since years. So is it possible to have on the charts - maybe in a separate row - but also in your narration what is the weight of the motorcycle with 20L fuel? My feeling is that let's say Africa Twin appears to weight less than the GSA or the Rally Explorer. About 22kg. But in truth if we add 8L of fuel plus engine guards it might end up been equal if not heavier. So it would be very useful to know how much the motorcycles are weighting with equal fuel and basic accessories even if they do not come equipped from the factory. At least to have an estimation. And although not a scientific way, do you think it is a good idea to add a "lift from the stand" test by placing a scale next to the stand under your left foot and measure how much kg need to take it off the stand? There is so much diversity in how the different brands are dealing with the weight. KTM has low tank, BMW the boxer, Triumph is promising low center of gravity etc. And as we know no one is lifting the motorcycle. We balance the weight. So it would be interesting to find some points we apply pressure like the handlebars and the left foot and measure how much pressure we apply. Of course people have different height/seam and so we will have a slightly different seat-to-ground leg angle therefore different pressure but your height/seam can be considered "average" and you could give us and indication by placing a scale and a camera capturing the values. Also maybe one scale under the front and one under the rear wheel can give us the real weight. Some brands are announcing the sum of the individual components as the weight instead of the actual weight. Since you make all the effort to create these videos and analyze the charts I thought you might want to add/give us some more actual and practical values. It is just a suggestion as I never saw anyone doing this and I believe it will be really helpful. Again, thank you so much for all your efforts! Greetings from Berlin, Constantin
Shame you have to take the whole bike apart (fueltank/bodyparts) just to change the airfilter and while doing that you/the mechanic will probably break some plastic clips 😟.
At 5’7 it makes me sad that I’ll never own this bike. Triumph are missing out on a lot of the market with 5’9 and under riders doubting the 1200 Rally Pro. Maybe one day they’ll include adjustable suspension on a future model
@waynegibbs6504 Wouldn't call it an OBSESSION, but there's better options with adjustable ride height available that's all. Took the PAN AMERICA out as well as the GS 1300. BOTH AMAZING for shorter riders. Pre-ordered my BMW and awaiting delivery :)
Well, when you first turn the ignition on, on any bike or car, all the warning lights cycle through, basically telling you that it's not "burned out". Once started, all the light slowly go off, ABS is usually the last because you have to start rolling (usually depending on the make). If after rolling a few and a light is still on, you know you have a problem. take care, Scott
I’m riding a Versys 1000 now but am seriously looking at the Rally Pro to cover the long distance rides and shit roads in Australia. Ticks all the boxes.
What is Triumph's overall reputation as a motorcycle manufacturer? I will demo a Tiger ADV tomorrow, but have never before considered buying from them.
If you are skilled enough then no problem but if you lack skill then try to gain experience these big bikes are very capable off road provided the rider can tame them plus you can never learn if you don't go off road with it
Can't believe you missed a chance at an adventure shot of you riding through that stream behind you. 😂
I just saved my honor! I did a test ride last weekend on a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Everything was smooth, but when I turning very slowly to park in front of the dealer, the engine stalled and I did not realized that the bike was so taller then my 2017 TEX, and I could not hold it. I just felt in front of the dealer, with a lot of customers watching me. I was quite shame. Now, I have something else to blame.
Thanks 😂
It stalled with the throttle preloaded?
I have a 2022 GT Pro I did try the GSA but I felt the Triumph’s damping was far more tuneable (9 stages) than the BMW’s and more suited to our crappy roads here in the U.K.
The other reason for purchase is theTriumph is now made (European models only) here in England, and has the greatest number of in-house parts than any other mass produced brand. 🇬🇧
There only can be ONE 😅😅😅 ... Mine is the Africa Twin Adventure Sports - happy with it since about a 2 years ... best bike ever ... DCT and electronic suspension for sure ✌✌✌
...just decided to do a back-up on height size.
...traded off a GSA and went to an RT.
...have done enough of the "tall" bikes for a while....Tenere to Africa Twin to Tiger 900 Rally to GSA to RT
I'm 6 ft with 34" inseam.
Thanks.
The seat on the Tiger is the best seat I ever had on a bike and the engine is amazing! For me it was an easy choice. The BMW was outdated, heavier and boring to ride. I have no problems with stalling.
14:23. I wanted the rally but the height was just too much and I'm 6'1" so I got the GT. Funny though I ended up getting used to the height so put the GT in the high position which is only 5mm lower than the Rally low position. I probs would be fine with the Rally after all but I don't do much dirt roads so am happy with the GT.
Another great video. Even though such bikes are now too heavy and tall for me (same height as you Scott but 67 years old) I still like watching the reviews.
Great review as usual. your comparison list is work of art. seeing GSA and its torque, carbon emission and fuel ratio. My next bike will be GSA
I really like your reviews!!! It will interesting to see what the "new" 1300/ 1400 BMW GS & GSA will be like?!? In the meantime (it can surely be argued) IMO the BMW GS is "overall" one step or at least half a step ahead of all the others in this category. As for me, I no longer need/ want one of these big adventures (different strokes for different folks).
'Behemoth', I didn't know that word, but it hits the nail for me. If I was 2 meters of length and at least 100 kilo of weight I would consider a monster like this. Standing behind the bike you almost disappear, Scott! But...as a review it's excellent quality as ever!
LOL! Thanks Larry, yea, this Rally is too tall for me, if I were to consider buying a Tiger, it'd be the 900GT, a lot lower and lighter.
take care,
Scott
Im 2m and 105kg, so I really like this Behemoth size 😄
A 👍 for this great review is well deserved like always 👌
Maybe you're right without passenger, but with passenger the GS gives the smallest place to sit by far... even the Ducati is more spacious than the GS for tall people. You have to love each other so much on GS, but we are waiting for the new one. ;)
I'm so glad you relate your height. So many test videos where the evaluator talks about issues related to height/weight and NEVER establish how much their's is.
I'd say the standard Africa Twin fits more into the mid size adventure bikes in terms of weight and the overall handling of it, that bike is agile and feels lightweight.
...another great review & vid, thanks
Love the sound, Triumph has come a long way,
How is the bike for vibrations any real annoying ones,
Enjoyed your views ,
Nice job as always. Biggest downfall for me are the User Interface/dashboard, it just irks me with the system wrench always flashes over the time or you get some ice condition warning always flashing.... you cannot reset without the dealer and there isn't even an odometer on the main screen. Alot of space on that screen and not much useful info shown. Wish they made the GT Pro/Explorer engine without the alternate firing order so you could choose to have that classic triple sound.
Would like to see a head to head compare with the Harley Davidson Pan American adventure bike. Great video, thank you .
Just turned 60 and I want blind spots monitors on my next bike. I sold my KTM1290 last year which freed me up for this bike or the Kawasaki H2 SX SE. This video has me leaning heavily toward Triumph. Thanks
Just bought a Yamaha with small round blind spot mirrors fitted to the OEM ones. I find them very distracting in peripheral vision and will be removing them.
Yep bigger heavier and still not powerful enough 😊 great information cheers from Oz 🇦🇺
It’s one from top 5 sir ❤❤❤
Another thorough and entertaining review👍. Interesting big adventure bike but way too massive for my riding. Just getting it off the side stand appears to be a chore😕
I have a 23 Rally Explorer. Massive issue is 1st gear idle speed. Bikes should really be able to crawl around in 1st gear under 10kph. The Triumph sits at 18kph. This means in heavy traffic or off-road you are constantly on the clutch. When doing ‘self recovery’ (walking beside the bike while it is under its own power) you are again needing to be heavy on the clutch. Any bike that is targeted at adventure riding needs a lot of consideration for slow speed riding. If you get stuck in a boggy track that you need to get out of without the ability to self recover the bike (and you) may be stranded till you get rescued. Rider be aware.
Yz450f and T700 have the same problem.
@@hrvojecolic8274 the difference being you don’t have a shaft drive on those so can change sprockets :) I traded the Rally Explorer for a Husky Nord 901 Expedition. Massive upgrade IMO.
Scot
I traded my 2020 Tiger for the new GT Explorer. I picked it up at the end of July 2022 and it was the first and only one in the USA until late December. HUGE difference in everything. I LOVE this bike!! BTW, mine is a 2023 model (there were no 2022's in the US) and there was no software update done to mine.
Great video Sir!
Ride SAFE and BE safe.
Cheers 👍👍
*How you liking it???* Will demo a '24 Tiger GT Explorer tomorrow. It is priced on par with the GSA and wondering if Triumph warrants that degree of price parity with BMW. For me.... i love the 36mo/ unlimited mileage warranty. It's the only legit 3 year warranty I have seen.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 I LOVE this bike! I have ridden every ADV bike made and this one, feature for feature blows them out of the water. This is my 2nd Tiger after trading my previous generation 2020 1200 for this one. Mine was the first GT Explorer in the USA until mid January 2023. If you ride it, you will buy it!
Ride SAFE and BE safe!
Cheers
@@ttrguy9952 👍
Thanx again. Nice bike, but im staying with my NT 1100 DCT
yea, I think that I would too! 👍😊
Thank you for making all the helpful videos
I sincerely saved for approximately 2 years to be able to get a bike that would feel comfortable, im 6f 1in
With a 34 inseam and i have a long reach
I weigh about 225 lbs evenly distributed
I didnt want too much gadgetry
And here in the US there not test rides where i am
I bought a 2023 new Tiger 850 sport for an out the door ready to ride legal on the street for 13,600
I am currently working with this at 5 to 60mph and alot of slow speed maneuvering
As you will see this bike has alot of the same things as the more expensive ones
Even the engine is 888
There is no booster plug available for this and any power commander system will void the 2 yr warranty so i have to master riding this with the fuel mapping as it is
If you have any insights that could help me i greatly appreciate your advice
I am 57 and riding is a Therapy for me
Once i master this the way i want i plan to get a Tiger 1200 rally pro Or the 900 rally pro and spend time on and off road
Thank you my friend
Take Care
Very useful video and no British accent thank you. 3 thumbs up!!!
I'm 6' 2" and I want this bike.
So far we have adjusted the clutch lever to 3 and i may go to 2 because that helps at the slow speeds.
The main issue is this engine was supposed to have V twin characteristics below 4000rpm and inline characteristics above that, but it does seem mostly to have the inline reving character throughout. Maybe a Scrambler 1200xe would be the better choice, the specs say that torque peaks at 3950rpm
Any advice from you is Greatly appreciated
Thank you
Even though i love my BMW R1250GS i gotta say IMO the Multistrada V4 Rally takes the win, such a magnificent bike....... But in September the R1300GS might change my opinion.... :)
Shaft drive is a very strong point on my list, hate the chain drive on my bike...but the Multi is a beauty.
8:35 I get wind around the ears which results in a bit more wind noise than I want so will look at wider screen down the track.
Google "MRA X creen touring" and take a look at this for an option, it really does work, I put this on my BMW900XR. It kicked the wind up and over my head & reduced wind noise.
take care,
Scott
P.S. There are other after market companies that do this too, take a look at them too. 👍😁
@NothingToProve I actually have the mra screen extender. I can feel with my hands the wind is coming from around the sides. Doesn't help having a modular helmet and external helmet intercom.
Extremely interesting review of an extremely interesting bike for me. If I was to buy another bike, I'd be very interested in checking out the bigger TIgers versus the 900 range versus BMW, etc.. Thanks for sharing!
I looked at Tiger 1200 v 900. 1200 weight is 10% more. Power is 50% more. No chain maint on the 1200. Was a no-brainer really (if you don't mind the considerable price difference).
Can anyone tell me the realistic range of the tank, in both 20 and 30 ltr ?
Thanks.
Great review as always! I put a deposit down on this bike about 2 weeks ago. Thinking on it still but thinking on GSA too. Hard choice!
Another great review Scott! I have to wonder who would actually want all that fuel up high and actually ride it off road? I think the 19" on the GT Pro would provide enough gravel capability for this size of bike, but to each their own...😊
Yea, if I were to pull the trigger on a Tiger 1200, it'd be the GT, then at least I can "flat-foot it".
Thank you for the video! It's quite informative. Although this Tiger it's the same platform with the ones you tested earlier (gt and rally pro) I would like to have the complete review in one video. But maybe this is me :)
I have a question/suggestion. I appreciate your detailed presentation and your unbiased perspective. You're doing this in Avery video since years. So is it possible to have on the charts - maybe in a separate row - but also in your narration what is the weight of the motorcycle with 20L fuel? My feeling is that let's say Africa Twin appears to weight less than the GSA or the Rally Explorer. About 22kg. But in truth if we add 8L of fuel plus engine guards it might end up been equal if not heavier. So it would be very useful to know how much the motorcycles are weighting with equal fuel and basic accessories even if they do not come equipped from the factory. At least to have an estimation.
And although not a scientific way, do you think it is a good idea to add a "lift from the stand" test by placing a scale next to the stand under your left foot and measure how much kg need to take it off the stand? There is so much diversity in how the different brands are dealing with the weight. KTM has low tank, BMW the boxer, Triumph is promising low center of gravity etc. And as we know no one is lifting the motorcycle. We balance the weight. So it would be interesting to find some points we apply pressure like the handlebars and the left foot and measure how much pressure we apply. Of course people have different height/seam and so we will have a slightly different seat-to-ground leg angle therefore different pressure but your height/seam can be considered "average" and you could give us and indication by placing a scale and a camera capturing the values.
Also maybe one scale under the front and one under the rear wheel can give us the real weight. Some brands are announcing the sum of the individual components as the weight instead of the actual weight. Since you make all the effort to create these videos and analyze the charts I thought you might want to add/give us some more actual and practical values. It is just a suggestion as I never saw anyone doing this and I believe it will be really helpful.
Again, thank you so much for all your efforts!
Greetings from Berlin,
Constantin
Shame you have to take the whole bike apart (fueltank/bodyparts) just to change the airfilter and while doing that you/the mechanic will probably break some plastic clips 😟.
At 5’7 it makes me sad that I’ll never own this bike. Triumph are missing out on a lot of the market with 5’9 and under riders doubting the 1200 Rally Pro. Maybe one day they’ll include adjustable suspension on a future model
I’ve never understood the obsession with riders stressing over a bikes height
@waynegibbs6504 Wouldn't call it an OBSESSION, but there's better options with adjustable ride height available that's all. Took the PAN AMERICA out as well as the GS 1300. BOTH AMAZING for shorter riders. Pre-ordered my BMW and awaiting delivery :)
Great video!
It sure sounds
Great review Scott. For me personally, too big, too tall and much too heavy.
Yea, especially the too tall part 😊
minor nit: the multistrada's wet weight in lbs appears incorrect (in the comparison chart)
Thanks for the catch! Changed!
3 thumbs up as for... Triplessssss *ba dum tss*
Hi, Do you know why were the warning lights on? I had the same when I tested the Rally Pro 900.
Well, when you first turn the ignition on, on any bike or car, all the warning lights cycle through, basically telling you that it's not "burned out". Once started, all the light slowly go off, ABS is usually the last because you have to start rolling (usually depending on the make). If after rolling a few and a light is still on, you know you have a problem.
take care,
Scott
What is the bash plate you have installed. Triumph OEM or 3rd party?
Triumph, it came from the factory that way.
7:50 Is it speed limited to 220?
Don't think so, just like the GS, RPM red line and gearing max out at around an indicated 220, on the GS it's 218.
I’m riding a Versys 1000 now but am seriously looking at the Rally Pro to cover the long distance rides and shit roads in Australia. Ticks all the boxes.
What about Desert X? It is functionally closer to competitors than Multistrada.
It's in the middleweight group with all the other (about) 900cc bikes.
What is Triumph's overall reputation as a motorcycle manufacturer? I will demo a Tiger ADV tomorrow, but have never before considered buying from them.
Theh make refined bikes with very good suspension and they are quite reliable
@@Saint_Maximus_III I think you are right! I loved my demo.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 if you have the cash go get one nowwww!!!!
Bigger bikes will eventually be overtaken by midrange bikes , watch this space
After test riding all these "behemoth" ADV bikes, I made the inevitable decision to buy a bicycle instead.
These are camels :)
Almost 600 pounds - add another 75 pounds luggage, and sure, take it off-road. Huh? Darwin awards pending.
If you are skilled enough then no problem but if you lack skill then try to gain experience these big bikes are very capable off road provided the rider can tame them plus you can never learn if you don't go off road with it
Way to tall. Far worse than the others on offer.
GS is for Boring Boomers
Lets see what you are riding at age 75.