Yep, you are right, that is a "typo", it's supposed to say 1250 and not 850. Thank you, I'll "pin" this to the top of the comments so everyone will see it. take care, Scott
Scott, man you do such a great, conclusive and objective analytical review job on these. Really appreciate them and your style too. Helps a lot so thank you sir.
Just bought a '23 GT Pro today! I REALLY wanted a 1300GS after riding one but the Tiger was literally $12k cheaper!!! Maybe I'll switch to a used 1300GS in a few years but super happy with the savings for now! Love your content!
Nice! I was looking at 1250GS and my wife saw this and it was used with 4k miles and it was also 12k cheaper, out the door! I love it, grats on the bike!
My local Triumph dealer couldn't move a single 1200 for months. I came in and bought a GT Pro - the very first one in my dealer's region. Within the next 2 weeks, they sold 2 more. Sometimes it's fun to be the early adopter. Where I live, a used GS costs as much as a new 1200, so I thought why not give Triumph a chance, as I can borrow a GS/GSA anytime. After the first 1000km, I think my bike sits exactly between a Multistrada V4 and a GS in terms of sportiness and comfort, while being much cheaper than both brand new. It's not perfect, but I don't regret my decision - yet :D
By the sounds of it, Triumph have really delivered here (compared with their previous iterations). I think the fact we have differences between all these bikes is great, they're not trying to just copy each other but hopefully provide something unique. It really is great as a consumer to have such wonderful choices. Thanks for your review, Scott - they're always a pleasure to watch.
I got Tiger 900 GT Pro and I absolutely love it with few exception - one being the noticeable vibration on above 60 mph and second one is the gear 1 being almost a dead beat even in a bumper to bumper traffic - What i love the most is comfort, head turning styles and freedom to simply change my suspension settings automatically. Cornering ABS, and auto cancel turn signals are simply amazing
As a owner of GT Pro I agree with everything you said except that while their is vibration like every other bike except a Goldwing I find the bike very comfortable in every way including vibration. My BMW R9T has more vibration and will cause my fingers to tingle after a few hours. I've ridden the Tiger on several 1000 mile day rides with no discomfort from vibration.
@@justdad53 to be honest with you, vibration actually don't bother me as well but I have always owned Yamaha naked bikes from MT07 to MT10 and trust me even at 120 mph there was no vibration at all. But with Triumph GT Pro I just can't complain for anything except very small stuff
@@wandering_armadillo I have 2020 R9T/5 and I have tried several things which have helped. I got the handle bars to help get a little weight off my wrists. I adjusted the handlebars which gave me a little better angle. I also purchased a throttle lock and use one of the plastic heel rests the fit over the throttle bar grip. I'm okay for the first hour or two but all day rides give me some tingling in my hands. To be fair as I get older I'm more suspectible to tingling fingers.
Nice to see an honest review of this bike... here in Brazil, all youtubers made it look like it´s a perfect bike, but, we know that there´s no such thing... Great video, great job, as aways!
After 14 years on the same HD, I put a deposit on the Tiger 1200 GT Explorer and should have it in a few days. Yes, I've heard about the flaws but still very excited.
J.D Thompson: What flaws have you experienced if any? Also, I rode super sports for years. Mostly inline 4s. My hands went numb every time within 50 miles per ride. The rsv4 was the smoothest bike and I never went numb from vibrations. Do you experience and hand or arm fatigue?
@@brandonabbott7574 Hi Brandon, I own a Rally Explorer , and I do notice some vibration in the pegs and some through the bars, but neither is objectionable. My hands don’t go tingly or anything.. Both Rally models come equipped with Karoo tires, which are a bit more aggressive than the tires that come standard on the GTs, which I’m sure contributes a little vibration as well.
Thanks for your review, I have a GS 1250 and it's awesome. Also BMW are bring out a 13 and 1400 soon. I think they will blow the competition away to be honest
AND I LOVE YOU AS ALWAYS, THANKS FOR YOUR GREATNESS IN THIS CONTENT, YOUR TONE OF VOICE YOUR SPONTANEOUSNESS AND DETAILS AND STYLE .... I CAN'T BUY ANY BIKE UNLESS YOU TEST DRIVE IT FOR US HERE, THANK YOU AGAIN
I really wanted to upgrade my Tiger 900 to the 1200 but nearest Triumph dealer is 4 hours away and they are a terrible dealer. Ended up with a 1250 GSA because the BMW dealer is 1.25 hours a away and they are a superb dealer. Very happy with my purchase, wish I could afford both the Tiger 1200 and the BMW
Great job, Scott. You made this video very informative and likeable. About the bike itself: In my opinion, Triumph made a big mistake with the new Tiger 1200. At least with the GT models, they should have stuck with the previous 180 degree crankshaft. On the rally models, a 240 or 270 degree crankshaft makes perfect sense, but not on a street model. The great advantage of the Triple, this great "smooth" engine running, has been given away. I fear that not only I will miss out on the new 1200, this change in engine concept will cost Triumph some potential buyers.
I agree fully with the comments on the triple engine vibrations I don’t understand why they are chasing something that no one wants on a turbike I have had 2 explores and loved them both very smooth turbine like ideal for Turing
I have a 2018 BMW GSA 1200. I looked at, then test rode the new 2023 Triumph Rally Pro 1200 Explorer. It was a terrible ride, as I froze my ass off doing this. Last time I rode the GSA, it was sooo much more comfortable. But, that was in September, and was 82 degrees. Either December, or the Triumph, sucks.
Nice to see that at least somewhere new motorcycles are in stock for sale. Around here the waiting lists are for the next summer season and the price of used ones is through the roof for second summer in a row. For example, a 2006 Honda CBF 600 S ABS with ~18 000 km on the odometer is usually for sale at the price of 4200 € and Yamaha MT-07 2014 with 25 000 km for 7200 €.
Thanks for the video. Good job! I have just ordered the current GS. I will have it in 2 weeks. A fantastic motorcycle!!!! And yes I know: the new GS will certainly be better than the current model. But the current model is so good and proven. I don't even know what they are going to improve. They will probably work on the weight. No one needs more engine power. Hopefully the quickshifter will be improved. But that's about it in my eyes....
Well done. Very good clear and concise review. I did buy the GS 1250 Rallye and am very happy so far. Was really wondering how good the new Tiger is as the BMW GS is so clearly the target. Thank you for confirming my choice.
Yamaha's discontinued the ST but they must be looking to replace it with something lighter. I'm thinking of a larger displacement version of the Tenere 700. If they can keep the weight down this time, it'll be a fantastic bike, especially if it's a shaft drive.
Trying but both Honda dealers that I work with are getting less than a quarter of what they ordered this year of that bike so every bike they get is already sold, so no demo bikes for me to ride 😢
Hi Scott, nice video as always! Triumph will never make better bike than the GS, I speak for perosnal experiences ( 5 GSs and 2 Explorers)... I can spend an hour pointing the differences.... ( By the way, how is the engine heat? Any, little, a lot?
It's mainly the boxer engine the teleleaver suspension and the clever Compact shaft drive. All the manufacturers trying to beat the GS have none of these.
what is the difference between the other triumph models, one from the other???? which one is better for someone to buy in your opinion. The GT ??? The GT PRO ??? The GT explorer ??? The rally pro ??? Or the Rally explorer ??? Or all the same??? Because the price isn’t. I like to hear your opinion.
Top review and insights. I prefer the Tigers exhaust note compared to my GS. I’ll try and wait for the 1300 beemer before I spend all my 💰💰💰 Edit: Oh well, couldn’t wait. Bought the Tiger Rally Pro. Fantastic bike 😎🍻
I havent ride the bike yet, still keeping my 800XRT. But i joined them when they launched the 1200 in Vietnam and surprisingly I can spot out some matters with the fit & finish, especially around the tanks, and the swing arm. Triumph finish quality has been top notch, but maybe not the case with 1200 which they target for tackle GS via performance and handling ?
That's too bad. I just traded my Tiger 900 Rally Pro for a speedmaster because I was not a fan of the vibration. Not great that the 1200 has it as well. But it does help my decision on BMW and Triumph for my ADV in the near future.
Just purchased the Tiger Rally Explorer and am loving it… I’m coming off a 1200 GS, which was also a great bike. The GS’s fit and finish is better, but fit and finish is overrated. Service intervals are much farther apart on the Triumph. The Tiger handles better in the dirt because of the 21” front end. The GS’s throttle mapping is better down low, but Triumph should be able to adjust the Tiger’s map easily.. it’s just software.. I never got used to the telelever front end on the GS.. it never gave be much confidence.. always felt vague in the dirt.. Anyway, so far, I’m very happy with the Tiger. If I fall out of love in a couple years I may go back to BMW, but I certainly wouldn’t purchase the first year of the new GS, as they tend to have quite a few issues in their first year or so.
Forgive me if I already asked you this recently, but have you ridden a hypermotard? If so, what are the closest bikes to it in your view? I struggle to categorize that bike. If you haven’t ridden it, please look out for the chance to, I would absolutely love to hear your take on it
Nice bike. I do however have trouble with the concept of an adventure bike making its peak power and torque at 9000rpm! I would go so far as to not call that a true adventure bike, it is a sport touring bike with long travel suspension. I would class it akin to the Versys 1000 without as much bloat, more sport and a very cool swing arm/shaft drive assembly. I completely agree: R1250GS all day long, twice on Sundays.
The "peak torque" metric is flawed. Unlike horsepower, which normally climbs steadily from 3K -to redline, and peak matters, torks in the Tiger 1200 tork climbs quickly, then stays flat or maybe a slight rise at some RPM around 8K or 9K, and that peak is reported. But that number isn't very informative. We want to know when the torks come on, and where the meat is. The most fun I have on my 2020 Tiger 1200 is a long pull in third from 3K RPM, say 35 MPH, as far up the rev range as I dare, given the context. Point is it has the grunt to pull it off without downshifting, and mine weighs 20 kilos more and has 9 fewer horsepower and a couple less torks. I ride fast, and I live between 3500 and 7000.
@@chrishart8548 I know the early version had the same set up but they moved to a wider rim on he later model (2016+), probably no actual benefit but the 150 looks so tiny on such a big bike - even the 170 looks small even compared to a 180/55-17
@@chrishart8548 it is not a 17” on the rear, it is an 18”. Narrower tyres aid agility, watch how little a 125cc bike has to lean in the bends 😲compared to a big fat tyre. It also reduces unsprung weight, tyres are heavy. There is more than enough rubber to put down the power, like cars fat tyres are more about fashion.
@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff it's fairly wide for a front tyre though. Makes me feel better about my 150/70/17 on my f800gs. And I thought that was a bit narrow till I saw the 150 on the massive 1200 tiger. I've sat on the 900 and the 1200 side by side. The 1200 is really nice but the 900 seems so manageable after the 1200. Its a lot of bike.
how would you compare the new Tiger with the previous one, is the difference enormous? So big that you should switch to the new one unservedly? I drive the last Tiger 1200 Alpine Edition non 2020. I would be very interested in your opinion. Best regards from Germany
Yes, the difference is a lot. Weight is probably the biggest difference, the electronics and TFT are probably fighting for second. If you can, take one for a test ride, you'll notice the difference it is like night and day. Best regards from Paderborn, Germany Scott
@@NothingToProve Vielen Dank für die Antwort, sprechen sie Deutsch, würde mich sehr über Deutschsprahiges Video freuen, Das wäre super. Schöne Videos TOP!
I just want a throttle system that’s both electronic and cable operated for best of both worlds. BMW could do this easiest of all because of its wild cam situation. It says something when the absolute kings of fueling and throttle management etc. struggle after switching over to cable-less electronic throttles
Reviewers always fail to mention the dealership experience and the warranty. I’ve had two triumphs and two BMW’s but I have to say BMW is way better IMO. For me, this is a huge factor, especially if you are using the bike to travel extensively. Good review vid though. 👍🏻
"Reviewers" don't mention information like that because it is subjective and varies from state to state & country to country, a lot like costs but I always mention cost in my reviews. Thank you for letting us know your dealer experience, in which country do you live? take care, Scott
@@NothingToProve Hi Scott, yes fair point. I do feel it’s a big part of the decision process but I understand one does have to keep the content more about the bike and less about the peripheral pros/cons. Keep up the great content.
Well, it's the difference between the 19" & 21" front tire basically. And yes, I notice the difference when riding aggressively especially in a corner. But in normal riding conditions, I really didn't notice much difference at all.
For anyone who doesn't mind doing some reading, here's a couple of issues with the new Tiger you need to look out for - the hydraulic clutch not being adjusted properly at the dealership, and leaking clutch slave cylinders.... "New bike: 2022 Tiger 1200 GT Explorer Picked it up on Friday, rode away very carefully and gingerly, new bike and all getting familiar with the biting point etc is something that just comes with time. Naturally, new engine has run in requirements and has its restrictions, can't go above 3.5k rpm for first 100 miles so it's very careful riding and no high revs - because of this one wouldn't notice a clutch issue, because you're treating it like a newborn. The first time I noticed the engine not giving its full power was when I went for my first overtake - pulled the trigger and it revved without pulling the bike. Me being the optimistic chump I am assumed this was a rev-protection feature to do with the run-in period....surely it's not a clutch issue... I'm obviously taking the bike back to have it sorted, but I'm after the following advice because this for me has killed the joy of my first zero-mile machine: When it came to this process, I did it all by the book - the bedding in the lot, it's precious to me because I want the absolute best engine for its entire life time. Now I find the entire time the clutch has been slipping, from 1st gear on every launch, to 5th and 6th gear when trying to pull away at 60/70/80 MPH - engine revved and clutch slipped, it took about 30 seconds to get from 70 to 80 because it was slipping so hard. Could this have damaged the run-in process? When we run in are we doing it only to the engine pistons side or to the crank/clutch side also? Is there any, and I mean ANY way, this stupid screw up will have cause some kind of minor damage to the new perfect engine during its first 300miles? 250 miles later and we've unlocked up to 5k rpm. Now it's painfully obvious that the clutch is slipping:. Any attempt to take off quickly, even within the 5k range, results in the revs flying and the bike not pulling. In addition to the horrible feeling powerless engine, I stopped to find oil had leaked surrounding the main engine oil cap, but was unable to tell if this had leaked from the cap itself or from the hydraulic clutch. As for the hydraulic clutch, apparently its somewhat different to previous versions and is externally adjustable, even though its hydraulic - it caught them out and they apologized; its now its adjusted and working as intended. I just got unlucky with an o-ring and a clutch that caught the technicians off-guard - please do learn from this and if the clutch feels like it has a very late biting point when you ride it away, or after you unlock 5k RPM it isnt pulling with the revs, take it back right away and let them know its a new style clutch! They were able to fix my clutch with just an adjustment, haven't had any issues since - however I am still getting a slight oil leak and they've replaced the oil cap o-ring twice now, if it leaks again I'll take note of your issue and push for a full inspection on the slave cylinder! 600 miles and 5 days with new Tiger 1200 GT PRO and clutch not clearing. Located to leaking clutch slave cylinder. Replaced under warranty and dealer told me that replacement cylinder looked very different to original. Also, another bike in showroom had leaking slave cylinder for which Triumph was ending replacement. Bad batch or design fault? What is the extent of recall? No problems since, further 600 miles and enjoying bike, drive and handling is awesome. Looks like a slave cylinder leak. Triumph will replace under warranty. I would go sooner rather than later. My bike is going back again on Saturday for investigation into headlight mount. The headlight can be moved, as if the cushion has become dislodged. The slave cylinder is on top of the clutch housing behind the guard that is next to the oil filler cap - the master cylinder is on the handlebar. The cable going to the lever on the clutch housing comes from the slave cylinder and there is some manual adjustment. I have a new (3 weeks old) GT Explorer with exactly the same issue as yours. I called my Triumph dealer today and they said - master cylinder fault and to send it in via Triumph recovery. Really not happy about it. Why over engineer a bike - it’s more complicated, more expensive and less reliable than a traditional cable. Miffed!"
To this day, I curse KTM for dropping the 1090 Adventure and not improving it. It's lighter, has more than enough power and is just more fun. I'm a bit of an anti-BMW person for some reason, even though their bikes are great from a rational perspective. I just don't like their system of adding on prices for standard functionality and their service costs are very high. As for the Triumph, I think they're trying too hard to be BMW with the 1200. Almost no one is going to ride bikes that weigh and cost as much as these do off road and risk breaking stuff. I don't even think they make much sense as everyday commuter machines. Too heavy and ungainly.
Hey NTP, kleiner Hinweis: Deine Textgrafik zur Sitzhöhe nennt zum Vergleich die Höhe der 850 GS, es soll bestimmt 1250 GS heißen.
Yep, you are right, that is a "typo", it's supposed to say 1250 and not 850. Thank you, I'll "pin" this to the top of the comments so everyone will see it.
take care,
Scott
Scott, man you do such a great, conclusive and objective analytical review job on these. Really appreciate them and your style too. Helps a lot so thank you sir.
Just bought a '23 GT Pro today! I REALLY wanted a 1300GS after riding one but the Tiger was literally $12k cheaper!!! Maybe I'll switch to a used 1300GS in a few years but super happy with the savings for now! Love your content!
Nice! I was looking at 1250GS and my wife saw this and it was used with 4k miles and it was also 12k cheaper, out the door! I love it, grats on the bike!
My local Triumph dealer couldn't move a single 1200 for months. I came in and bought a GT Pro - the very first one in my dealer's region. Within the next 2 weeks, they sold 2 more.
Sometimes it's fun to be the early adopter. Where I live, a used GS costs as much as a new 1200, so I thought why not give Triumph a chance, as I can borrow a GS/GSA anytime.
After the first 1000km, I think my bike sits exactly between a Multistrada V4 and a GS in terms of sportiness and comfort, while being much cheaper than both brand new. It's not perfect, but I don't regret my decision - yet :D
By the sounds of it, Triumph have really delivered here (compared with their previous iterations). I think the fact we have differences between all these bikes is great, they're not trying to just copy each other but hopefully provide something unique. It really is great as a consumer to have such wonderful choices.
Thanks for your review, Scott - they're always a pleasure to watch.
I got Tiger 900 GT Pro and I absolutely love it with few exception - one being the noticeable vibration on above 60 mph and second one is the gear 1 being almost a dead beat even in a bumper to bumper traffic - What i love the most is comfort, head turning styles and freedom to simply change my suspension settings automatically. Cornering ABS, and auto cancel turn signals are simply amazing
As a owner of GT Pro I agree with everything you said except that while their is vibration like every other bike except a Goldwing I find the bike very comfortable in every way including vibration. My BMW R9T has more vibration and will cause my fingers to tingle after a few hours. I've ridden the Tiger on several 1000 mile day rides with no discomfort from vibration.
@@justdad53 to be honest with you, vibration actually don't bother me as well but I have always owned Yamaha naked bikes from MT07 to MT10 and trust me even at 120 mph there was no vibration at all. But with Triumph GT Pro I just can't complain for anything except very small stuff
@@logicfirst7959 👍👍
@@justdad53 My '22 R9T has no vibration, I've never heard this as an issue. Older model, different handlebar ?
@@wandering_armadillo I have 2020 R9T/5 and I have tried several things which have helped. I got the handle bars to help get a little weight off my wrists. I adjusted the handlebars which gave me a little better angle. I also purchased a throttle lock and use one of the plastic heel rests the fit over the throttle bar grip.
I'm okay for the first hour or two but all day rides give me some tingling in my hands. To be fair as I get older I'm more suspectible to tingling fingers.
A nice tip I picked up somewhere. When standing an adventure bike up, turn the bars full lock right, 30% easier.
That was a good, thorough, honest review. Also what a cool good dude as well. Really liking this channel👍👍
I really enjoy Scott's videos as well.
Always an honest review Scott! Pure & to the point!👌 Enjoy your nice warm summer! Aren’t you due for your annual week ride away?
Nice to see an honest review of this bike... here in Brazil, all youtubers made it look like it´s a perfect bike, but, we know that there´s no such thing... Great video, great job, as aways!
After 14 years on the same HD, I put a deposit on the Tiger 1200 GT Explorer and should have it in a few days. Yes, I've heard about the flaws but still very excited.
How’s the bike mate (1200 tiger) congratulations 🙌
A little big for errands, but great fun on longer rides.
@@j.d.thompson3505 super…safe miles 🙌🙌
J.D Thompson: What flaws have you experienced if any? Also, I rode super sports for years. Mostly inline 4s. My hands went numb every time within 50 miles per ride. The rsv4 was the smoothest bike and I never went numb from vibrations. Do you experience and hand or arm fatigue?
@@brandonabbott7574 Hi Brandon, I own a Rally Explorer , and I do notice some vibration in the pegs and some through the bars, but neither is objectionable. My hands don’t go tingly or anything..
Both Rally models come equipped with Karoo tires, which are a bit more aggressive than the tires that come standard on the GTs, which I’m sure contributes a little vibration as well.
Thanks for your review, I have a GS 1250 and it's awesome. Also BMW are bring out a 13 and 1400 soon. I think they will blow the competition away to be honest
Wish they would hurry up 😆
You really live your video. Very nice, you can feel that you have mega fun. I love the Triumph!
AND I LOVE YOU AS ALWAYS, THANKS FOR YOUR GREATNESS IN THIS CONTENT, YOUR TONE OF VOICE YOUR SPONTANEOUSNESS AND DETAILS AND STYLE .... I CAN'T BUY ANY BIKE UNLESS YOU TEST DRIVE IT FOR US HERE, THANK YOU AGAIN
Thanks.Difficult to beat the GS 1250.
Wow it sounds fantastic! One area the GS cannot compete.
The 1200 Tiger sounds not fantastic it sounds boring. The sound of a GS is far better.
I really wanted to upgrade my Tiger 900 to the 1200 but nearest Triumph dealer is 4 hours away and they are a terrible dealer. Ended up with a 1250 GSA because the BMW dealer is 1.25 hours a away and they are a superb dealer. Very happy with my purchase, wish I could afford both the Tiger 1200 and the BMW
Great job, Scott. You made this video very informative and likeable.
About the bike itself: In my opinion, Triumph made a big mistake with the new Tiger 1200. At least with the GT models, they should have stuck with the previous 180 degree crankshaft. On the rally models, a 240 or 270 degree crankshaft makes perfect sense, but not on a street model. The great advantage of the Triple, this great "smooth" engine running, has been given away. I fear that not only I will miss out on the new 1200, this change in engine concept will cost Triumph some potential buyers.
I agree fully with the comments on the triple engine vibrations I don’t understand why they are chasing something that no one wants on a turbike I have had 2 explores and loved them both very smooth turbine like ideal for Turing
The 270 crank is mostly for sound. The old crank was not 180, it was 240.
I have a 2018 BMW GSA 1200. I looked at, then test rode the new 2023 Triumph Rally Pro 1200 Explorer. It was a terrible ride, as I froze my ass off doing this. Last time I rode the GSA, it was sooo much more comfortable. But, that was in September, and was 82 degrees. Either December, or the Triumph, sucks.
I wonder what you'd think of the Triumph after riding the new 1300GS. LOL!
Another great review. I like the honesty, both good and bad so one can get a good idea of the bike before test riding one. Thanks!
Nice to see that at least somewhere new motorcycles are in stock for sale. Around here the waiting lists are for the next summer season and the price of used ones is through the roof for second summer in a row. For example, a 2006 Honda CBF 600 S ABS with ~18 000 km on the odometer is usually for sale at the price of 4200 € and Yamaha MT-07 2014 with 25 000 km for 7200 €.
I'll stick with my 1250GS. Three years old and never let me down and its been u to Norway and back. Off to Italy next month.
Thanks for the video. Good job!
I have just ordered the current GS. I will have it in 2 weeks. A fantastic motorcycle!!!!
And yes I know: the new GS will certainly be better than the current model. But the current model is so good and proven. I don't even know what they are going to improve. They will probably work on the weight.
No one needs more engine power. Hopefully the quickshifter will be improved.
But that's about it in my eyes....
Front fork will be better too. Without telelever.
@@daneluta
Well, I'm curious about that. Without it, I can hardly imagine.
Well done. Very good clear and concise review. I did buy the GS 1250 Rallye and am very happy so far. Was really wondering how good the new Tiger is as the BMW GS is so clearly the target. Thank you for confirming my choice.
I’d opt for the Yamaha Super Tenere 1200.Thanks Scott.👍🏻👍🏻
Don't think they make it anymore, why not? Maybe it couldn't complete...
Yamaha's discontinued the ST but they must be looking to replace it with something lighter. I'm thinking of a larger displacement version of the Tenere 700. If they can keep the weight down this time, it'll be a fantastic bike, especially if it's a shaft drive.
When will you be test-riding the new Yamaha XSR 900, Scott? Can't await it!
Nice review. Tempting. Can you get your hands on the Honda NT1100? That might be interesting.
Trying but both Honda dealers that I work with are getting less than a quarter of what they ordered this year of that bike so every bike they get is already sold, so no demo bikes for me to ride 😢
Hi Scott, nice video as always!
Triumph will never make better bike than the GS, I speak for perosnal experiences ( 5 GSs and 2 Explorers)... I can spend an hour pointing the differences....
( By the way, how is the engine heat? Any, little, a lot?
It's mainly the boxer engine the teleleaver suspension and the clever Compact shaft drive. All the manufacturers trying to beat the GS have none of these.
what is the difference between the other triumph models, one from the other????
which one is better for someone to buy in your opinion.
The GT ???
The GT PRO ???
The GT explorer ???
The rally pro ???
Or the
Rally explorer ???
Or all the same???
Because the price isn’t.
I like to hear your opinion.
Top review and insights. I prefer the Tigers exhaust note compared to my GS. I’ll try and wait for the 1300 beemer before I spend all my 💰💰💰
Edit: Oh well, couldn’t wait. Bought the Tiger Rally Pro. Fantastic bike 😎🍻
Same here. I test drove the 2023 GSA 1250 and the Tiger. I drove off with the Tiger. I can’t stop riding it
Great honest review.👍🏻
Well done Triumph, far superior to the model it replaced.
I havent ride the bike yet, still keeping my 800XRT. But i joined them when they launched the 1200 in Vietnam and surprisingly I can spot out some matters with the fit & finish, especially around the tanks, and the swing arm. Triumph finish quality has been top notch, but maybe not the case with 1200 which they target for tackle GS via performance and handling ?
I like your videos. They are so informative and done in calm way.
This man deserves more subs
That's too bad. I just traded my Tiger 900 Rally Pro for a speedmaster because I was not a fan of the vibration. Not great that the 1200 has it as well. But it does help my decision on BMW and Triumph for my ADV in the near future.
Just purchased the Tiger Rally Explorer and am loving it… I’m coming off a 1200 GS, which was also a great bike.
The GS’s fit and finish is better, but fit and finish is overrated. Service intervals are much farther apart on the Triumph. The Tiger handles better in the dirt because of the 21” front end. The GS’s throttle mapping is better down low, but Triumph should be able to adjust the Tiger’s map easily.. it’s just software..
I never got used to the telelever front end on the GS.. it never gave be much confidence.. always felt vague in the dirt..
Anyway, so far, I’m very happy with the Tiger. If I fall out of love in a couple years I may go back to BMW, but I certainly wouldn’t purchase the first year of the new GS, as they tend to have quite a few issues in their first year or so.
Thank you for your comment, it's always great to hear from actual owners of bike!
take care,
Scott
what a haircut! great review 👏🏽
Great review Scott. GS every time. 👍
Mr Prove, do you ever go to the Sachsenring and watch the MotoGP?
Nope, I've never been there yet. But that track is like watching NASCAR, except NASCAR is all left turns 🤣🤣🤣😁
Forgive me if I already asked you this recently, but have you ridden a hypermotard? If so, what are the closest bikes to it in your view? I struggle to categorize that bike. If you haven’t ridden it, please look out for the chance to, I would absolutely love to hear your take on it
Hi Scott. Would the vibrations be a problem on long highway trips?
It was noticeable but I don't think it'd bother me. The Ducati Multi V4 is much worse imho.
great review , I would go for this I think. it is a few thousand cheeper then BMW as well.
Can you provide some information on your summer jacket from alpinestar. What model is it.
Nice bike. I do however have trouble with the concept of an adventure bike making its peak power and torque at 9000rpm! I would go so far as to not call that a true adventure bike, it is a sport touring bike with long travel suspension. I would class it akin to the Versys 1000 without as much bloat, more sport and a very cool swing arm/shaft drive assembly. I completely agree: R1250GS all day long, twice on Sundays.
The "peak torque" metric is flawed. Unlike horsepower, which normally climbs steadily from 3K -to redline, and peak matters, torks in the Tiger 1200 tork climbs quickly, then stays flat or maybe a slight rise at some RPM around 8K or 9K, and that peak is reported. But that number isn't very informative. We want to know when the torks come on, and where the meat is. The most fun I have on my 2020 Tiger 1200 is a long pull in third from 3K RPM, say 35 MPH, as far up the rev range as I dare, given the context. Point is it has the grunt to pull it off without downshifting, and mine weighs 20 kilos more and has 9 fewer horsepower and a couple less torks. I ride fast, and I live between 3500 and 7000.
What's with the tiny 150 rear tyre on the new Tiger 1200?
And matched to a 120/70/19 front (150/70/17 rear) seems bazaar!
@@chrishart8548 I know the early version had the same set up but they moved to a wider rim on he later model (2016+), probably no actual benefit but the 150 looks so tiny on such a big bike - even the 170 looks small even compared to a 180/55-17
@@chrishart8548 it is not a 17” on the rear, it is an 18”. Narrower tyres aid agility, watch how little a 125cc bike has to lean in the bends 😲compared to a big fat tyre. It also reduces unsprung weight, tyres are heavy. There is more than enough rubber to put down the power, like cars fat tyres are more about fashion.
@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff it's fairly wide for a front tyre though. Makes me feel better about my 150/70/17 on my f800gs. And I thought that was a bit narrow till I saw the 150 on the massive 1200 tiger. I've sat on the 900 and the 1200 side by side. The 1200 is really nice but the 900 seems so manageable after the 1200. Its a lot of bike.
@@chrishart8548 it is for sure, both fab bikes. I own the old 1200 and this one is a massive improvement. 👍
Excellent detailed review!
Very insightful - thanks for sharing!!!
Cool. How does it compare to a KTM 1290 SA?
Neither nor ! … you would buy the Tiger 1200 Rally pro 🤪🤩, thx 👍🏻👍🏻
how would you compare the new Tiger with the previous one, is the difference enormous? So big that you should switch to the new one unservedly?
I drive the last Tiger 1200 Alpine Edition non 2020. I would be very interested in your opinion. Best regards from Germany
Yes, the difference is a lot. Weight is probably the biggest difference, the electronics and TFT are probably fighting for second. If you can, take one for a test ride, you'll notice the difference it is like night and day.
Best regards from Paderborn, Germany
Scott
@@NothingToProve Vielen Dank für die Antwort, sprechen sie Deutsch, würde mich sehr über Deutschsprahiges Video freuen, Das wäre super. Schöne Videos TOP!
I just want a throttle system that’s both electronic and cable operated for best of both worlds. BMW could do this easiest of all because of its wild cam situation. It says something when the absolute kings of fueling and throttle management etc. struggle after switching over to cable-less electronic throttles
1200 GT explorer or 1200 Rally Explorer best for you?)
Do you like that alpine star summer armor jacket deal more than the Knox urbane pro? Are they comparable or no?
Sorry, don't know, I've never tried the Knox 🤷♂️
Reviewers always fail to mention the dealership experience and the warranty. I’ve had two triumphs and two BMW’s but I have to say BMW is way better IMO. For me, this is a huge factor, especially if you are using the bike to travel extensively. Good review vid though. 👍🏻
"Reviewers" don't mention information like that because it is subjective and varies from state to state & country to country, a lot like costs but I always mention cost in my reviews.
Thank you for letting us know your dealer experience, in which country do you live?
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve Hi Scott, yes fair point. I do feel it’s a big part of the decision process but I understand one does have to keep the content more about the bike and less about the peripheral pros/cons. Keep up the great content.
Have you reviewed the Yamaha 1200 Tenere? I have abused mine for years. Done all but two of the USA BDR s. This thing is amazing proof.
Nope, but they are no longer in production for a year or two now. Hopefully they will begin production again...soon.
How does fuel mileage/range compare between the two?
I half to bleed the rear brake more often on the the last generation then any other bike Ive had
looks very good and sporty
How much better on the road corners is the GT than the rally explorer?
Well, it's the difference between the 19" & 21" front tire basically. And yes, I notice the difference when riding aggressively especially in a corner. But in normal riding conditions, I really didn't notice much difference at all.
Love me a NTP premier. 👏
KTM 1290 Adv s, or GS?
Is that mph or kph on the speedo please
Would you take the new Triumph over the v4 Multistrada?
Yes. 👍
Is enough hearing you to say that the GS would pull away from this...... 🤣😂
Waited 20 years to buy my 2022 GS1250 Rally !!
Very good again
Grate bike
Bumps or the roads in Germany??? :)
Bike... IDK, but European roads and towns - yeah
No chance the GS will take the Tiger in any condition
For anyone who doesn't mind doing some reading, here's a couple of issues with the new Tiger you need to look out for - the hydraulic clutch not being adjusted properly at the dealership, and leaking clutch slave cylinders....
"New bike: 2022 Tiger 1200 GT Explorer
Picked it up on Friday, rode away very carefully and gingerly, new bike and all getting familiar with the biting point etc is something that just comes with time.
Naturally, new engine has run in requirements and has its restrictions, can't go above 3.5k rpm for first 100 miles so it's very careful riding and no high revs - because of this one wouldn't notice a clutch issue, because you're treating it like a newborn.
The first time I noticed the engine not giving its full power was when I went for my first overtake - pulled the trigger and it revved without pulling the bike. Me being the optimistic chump I am assumed this was a rev-protection feature to do with the run-in period....surely it's not a clutch issue...
I'm obviously taking the bike back to have it sorted, but I'm after the following advice because this for me has killed the joy of my first zero-mile machine:
When it came to this process, I did it all by the book - the bedding in the lot, it's precious to me because I want the absolute best engine for its entire life time.
Now I find the entire time the clutch has been slipping, from 1st gear on every launch, to 5th and 6th gear when trying to pull away at 60/70/80 MPH - engine revved and clutch slipped, it took about 30 seconds to get from 70 to 80 because it was slipping so hard.
Could this have damaged the run-in process? When we run in are we doing it only to the engine pistons side or to the crank/clutch side also?
Is there any, and I mean ANY way, this stupid screw up will have cause some kind of minor damage to the new perfect engine during its first 300miles?
250 miles later and we've unlocked up to 5k rpm. Now it's painfully obvious that the clutch is slipping:. Any attempt to take off quickly, even within the 5k range, results in the revs flying and the bike not pulling. In addition to the horrible feeling powerless engine, I stopped to find oil had leaked surrounding the main engine oil cap, but was unable to tell if this had leaked from the cap itself or from the hydraulic clutch.
As for the hydraulic clutch, apparently its somewhat different to previous versions and is externally adjustable, even though its hydraulic - it caught them out and they apologized; its now its adjusted and working as intended.
I just got unlucky with an o-ring and a clutch that caught the technicians off-guard - please do learn from this and if the clutch feels like it has a very late biting point when you ride it away, or after you unlock 5k RPM it isnt pulling with the revs, take it back right away and let them know its a new style clutch!
They were able to fix my clutch with just an adjustment, haven't had any issues since - however I am still getting a slight oil leak and they've replaced the oil cap o-ring twice now, if it leaks again I'll take note of your issue and push for a full inspection on the slave cylinder!
600 miles and 5 days with new Tiger 1200 GT PRO and clutch not clearing. Located to leaking clutch slave cylinder. Replaced under warranty and dealer told me that replacement cylinder looked very different to original. Also, another bike in showroom had leaking slave cylinder for which Triumph was ending replacement. Bad batch or design fault? What is the extent of recall? No problems since, further 600 miles and enjoying bike, drive and handling is awesome.
Looks like a slave cylinder leak. Triumph will replace under warranty. I would go sooner rather than later. My bike is going back again on Saturday for investigation into headlight mount. The headlight can be moved, as if the cushion has become dislodged.
The slave cylinder is on top of the clutch housing behind the guard that is next to the oil filler cap - the master cylinder is on the handlebar. The cable going to the lever on the clutch housing comes from the slave cylinder and there is some manual adjustment.
I have a new (3 weeks old) GT Explorer with exactly the same issue as yours. I called my Triumph dealer today and they said - master cylinder fault and to send it in via Triumph recovery. Really not happy about it. Why over engineer a bike - it’s more complicated, more expensive and less reliable than a traditional cable. Miffed!"
T plane is just cross plane ?
Na, the firing order is a little different, that's all but then that's how all OEMs make the engines sound differently 😁
what's with all the labels on the tank...?
I am 5'9, can I ride GT Pro?
You're 1 inch shorter than me, so no problem 👍😁
To this day, I curse KTM for dropping the 1090 Adventure and not improving it. It's lighter, has more than enough power and is just more fun. I'm a bit of an anti-BMW person for some reason, even though their bikes are great from a rational perspective. I just don't like their system of adding on prices for standard functionality and their service costs are very high. As for the Triumph, I think they're trying too hard to be BMW with the 1200. Almost no one is going to ride bikes that weigh and cost as much as these do off road and risk breaking stuff. I don't even think they make much sense as everyday commuter machines. Too heavy and ungainly.
They really looked at BMW. Even for the color of the buttons on the handle bars...
bmw has black buttons now, not grey anymore
They have been like that since 2018.
I want all the power, all the time. No nanny state socialism for me, thanks.
So you want an electric engine
I need an adventure bike that is 2 inches lower and not a low seat
the gs is available in lowered chassis. not just the lower seat.
Yep, what he said 😁
@@NothingToProve The Tiger will have a lowering kit available soon
Triumph customer service very poor.
I would buy a Honda or Yamaha
I don't know why anyone watches these reviews of ADV bikes. Verdict...always. If it's not a GS... It's crap. Sigh...
I have to wonder if you even watched this video? Nowhere did he say the Tiger was "crap". He actually bragged it up a good bit.
Wow. First for once.
Are you sure this is the first time you came first?