NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super & 2060 Super Review: Killing Radeon VII
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Our NVIDIA's RTX 2060 Super & 2070 Super review with performance benchmarks, specs and pricing, gaming, power consumption, thermal, & noise discussion.
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This benchmark tests NVIDIA's new RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super cards for review. The 2060 Super vs. 2060 and 2070 Super vs. 2080 lineups are of the most interest, with additional interesting match-ups when compared to AMD's Radeon VII and Vega 56 cards. We're also looking forward to AMD RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 Navi GPU reviews, but NVIDIA's Super launches about a week earlier than the new AMD parts. The NVIDIA RTX 2060 Super price should be $400, with the RTX 2060 still selling at an MSRP floor of $350. The RTX 2070 Super price will be $500, with the RTX 2070 non-Super card being phased out, alongside the RTX 2080 non-Super card. As for RTX 2060 Super & 2070 Super specs, those are shown in a chart in our video review, but also available at the article linked above.
Our NVIDIA RTX Super benchmarks include power consumption tests, thermal/temperature testing, noise and acoustic testing, gaming benchmarks (now with DirectX 12, DirectX 11, and Vulkan benchmarks), and power consumption, now tested with just GPU 12V power isolated.
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Editorial, Testing: Steve Burke
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Note: NVIDIA has made a last-minute change (literally). While some of the 2070 Supers will have "5 or 6" GPCs, the company decided to only fuse them off to 6 GPCs going forward, so that "5" number should be pretty rare to encounter after the initial batch, if ever.
Article here: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3486-nvidia-rtx-2060-super-and-2070-super-review-benchmarks
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What about Raytracing performance?
Will this make a difference to performance?
So will there be a "RTX 2080 Super"?
Will you be doing an RTX performance comparison video?
I’m waiting for the 2080 Ti Super Duper UggaDugga
Im waiting for the RTX 2080 Ti super + type S FORTNITE EDITION these card names are getting rediculous though tbh 😒
@@FranciscoRodriguez-fr3uc will these super cards release cheaper or same price as current RYX
@@stevethea5250 they are coming at equal to 50$ more when it comes to the founder edition cards..
@@stevethea5250 2060 super is 2060 price, 2070 super is 2070 price, etc. It is basically making the next strongest GPU with slightly cut down stats take the place of the lower one with the lower one's price. This also comes with them discontinuing two of the original cards leaving only the normal 2060 remaining on the lower end of the stack of cards that released originally.
Same here
Steve is speaking so fast that the close caption is in dutch lol
he really does start to sound like an auctioneer at times. Guess it's just habit after spending so much time spitting out technical data.
Holy shit
No guys, it’s to prevent demonetization for no reason at all
I unsubbed, cant enjoy the videos anymore . Its like Steve himself doesnt enjoy it anymore so why should I care....
It literally is, I thought you were kidding but at roughly 21:50 it says "met de stam vindt rememberfor leder over pagina"
LOL
Gamers Nexus: "We need to keep our reviews under 30 minutes"
Steve: *enables double time*
Steve's vocal cords interface has gone from SDR to DDR 😁
coming here after listening to anthony @LTT makes my head spin. Steve speaks so fast.
Especially if you are not a native speaker. My ears have to utilize 100% attention to follow him. And still i have to rewind, a lot.
I like it. Anthony (like many) requires setting playback speed to 1.25 or 1.5x. Here you might consider playback at .75
@@FunTimeGhz That's a very good exercise. Steve is a fast speaker without the most understandable accent but he's not the worst (by far). You'll not need to rewind after some months of daily earing and you'll may want to speed up other reviewers.
I'm always confused by this sentiment. Steve speaks relatively slowly (but very clearly), so I can utilize 1.75x speed on all GN videos.
Put it on .50x playback and he legit sounds drunk, lol!
Thank you so much for testing the Vega 56 with the undervolt and the overclock! Mad props!
Don't be too happy. There's hardly HBM2 overclocking there.
@@Amusia727 There's as much as our card will do without memory errors. Any further tuning would be less than a 1% change without power play mods, which we have a separate video on.
@@Amusia727 Well, without the V64 bios, 900MHz is a common enough overclock.
@@Amusia727 lmao 🤣
Gamers Nexus now we politely ask you to oc vega 64 to the limit, probably with LC bios. Pleeeeease 🌞🌞
@7:18
My boy the 1080ti still somehow holding in there, ranked 2nd despite being over 3 years old. What a champ.
Running a 1080ti strix myself, it was cheaper than 2080 and it outpreforms anything else.
Yeah its a great card, wish I could picked one up but I ended up getting a good deal on a 2070 Dual 4 or 5 months ago, so this new release kinda pokes me a bit. Especially because they added SLI to the 2070 line, a feature I really wanted. Oh well.
@@gfg_horseman7159 they didn't includeeverything like 1070ti even
over 3 years old? it came out in march 2017, it's almost 2.5 years old, but not over 3
1080ti is gonna be in the hall of fame. Took a +$1000 card to clearly beat it.
25:54 Anyone who bought a 2070 at launch, I bet their buyer's remorse is warranted.
-TU106 (traditionally the die for xx60 cards)
-no SLI/Nvlink
-huge price-hike
-and now there "true" 2070 is released shortly after.
Especially 2060 those that bought 2080/2080ti's though shouldn't be fased buy this.
@@resColts Yeah, I guess. If they were okay spending that much a launch, then they're probably still fine with it. I am of the mind that GPU prices have gone up far too much and Navi looks like it will follow suit. Disappointing.
I sold my 2070 2 weeks ago for $450 just in case the rumors and numbers were good. I'm glad I sold it! these supers are killer!
@@MrSpecVman Nice prediction there. I wouldn't call the Super cards "killer" except for the context of killing our wallets... but if you've got cash to burn then have fun, I guess.
Suspect3d wow so that an upgrade you have just enough money
I can't wait for the EVGA AIB card. "Geforce RTX 2080 Super Super Superclocked!" (SSC)
😂👍🏾
That is almost as expensive as RTX 2080ti!
"Its power levels over 9000!"
@@ronnie3044 :)
SSSC
If I bought an RTX 2080, I'd be SUPER pissed, right about now.
2070 Super is almost the same speed & $200 cheaper.
true i would be pissed too
It's been 10 months since the 2080 launched, a ~$200 drop seems normal for that amount of time.
I'm laughing. I waited, and now I get to buy a 2070 super for $200 cheaper and get just about the same performance. I told my friend to wait. Hes going to be seething watching these reviews man.
I only paid 690$ for my 2080...I can let it slide.
@@Esonar rip friend
With Gamer's Nexus putting out such high quality content focused more on the information instead of being traditionally entertaining, I sometimes wonder why the hell I'm subscribed to anybody else.
Reiden Lightman There Are more technical channels. I find myself going deeper into this stuff. XD
Whenever there is new hardware, I don't give a shit what RUclips recommends to me. I type Gamer's Nexus into the search bar, and come here, because the content is SO fucking solid, that I don't trust ANYONE else.
@@NovaDoll SUCH AS???
You'll be "SUPER" pissed off if you bought an original RTX.
Are you meaning to say that if they released the super cards at launch, nothing better would ever come out?
I say more anyone who bought the 2060 or 2070 would be, I bought a 2080 and the benefit for me is that my card supports sli, and if my rtx 2080 is gonna go down in price, I can buy a second one cheaper and also the 2080 is still more powerful than the 2070 super, so i dont regret.
Yup. Bought a 2060 about 4 months ago...going to see if I can sell it somewhere :(
@@kidzak98 fair enough, i feel the same, got the 2080ti in february
@@vedomedo meaning these were the cards that should of released at launch. They just gave early rtx adopters cut down cards. In gaming terms they gave you half a game now they giving people the whole game for same price.
"Jensen burned an effigy and the word SUPER appeared in the toxic flames."
I died a little inside
So did part of Jensen’s lungs.
And this folks... IS WHY YOU SKIP THE FIRST GEN LOL
@Constantine Xipolitopoulos the rtx 2070 super is $200 less than the 2080 and gives the same performance.
The extra 50$ on the 2060 is worth it if you can afford it. If you can't, the old 2060 is still there. And yes, straight upgrades for the same price IS better
So your saying skip Navi?
@@ccgert Well you can, considering that Navi currently doesn't look too competitive regarding price and features. Not to mention that the Super RTX cards are starting steal the spotlight. Next gen-Navi cards are rumored to be better and support a more mature ray-tracing, however, so it might be worth to wait till next year for next gen Navi.
Kinda. Objectively speaking, Navi needs to do atleast as good in terms of raw power and performance as the original 16/20 series cards, AND more, to compensate for the lack of ray tracing. If the navi cards perform on par with the 16/20 series cards, navi is going to be a flop, because objectively, Nvidia still provides more, for the same price. AMD needs to deliver either ray tracing, or better performance to make up for the lack of ray tracing.
I doubt they will be to compete with super turing cards tho right now... I can see navi outperforming turing to compensate for the lack of Ray tracing, but i doubt it will be able to even compete with super cards. Which means for the next 3-8 months, Nvidia is still going to be top dog.
Just bought the Nvidia 2070 Super this morning! This was my last part I needed to buy and I'm SUPER excited for my first build!
Pretty sure I just heard a Top Gear reference.
Some say The Stig only wear a leather jacket when he is chilling at home.
Oh my god it was actually true, I’m literally shaking rn Steve from Gn watches Top Gear
"It's the fastest GPU.... In the world"
Maybe he's May's son...the flowing locks and broad knowledge base....it makes sense
Gran Tour refernce:
*2070 Super bursts into flames when turning it on* (cause its an Nvidia video, anything else would be irrelevant)
Does that mean its not turning on then?
Recommend underclocking GN Steve setting speed to 93% for clarity. 🤣
Undervolting for best performance
So what does the "super" mean?
Nvidia: yes
I respect Nvidia for not rebranding these gpus as 3060, 3070..
AMDs RX470 and RX570 are the same
@@Laayekthar well I mean they did have the gtx 16 Mark's though lol
Where can I buy them?
Nvidia: Yes Yeah
So how much VRAM does this have?
Nvidia: Yes, VRAM.
Super Underwhelming Performance, Expensive Ripoff
and that's how Nvidia makes the new expensive pricing scheme permanent... 🤷♂️
@Luke Neely Friendly reminder that the GTX 970 had an msrp of $329.
Well, 3070 is $500, we'll have to see what 3060 will be later in the year.
That Super sticker probably flakes off from the heat at some point and becomes a non Super card.
Yeah I highly doubt it's a sticker. The only places there are stickers on a gpu, is the fans, or the inside, or a sku number of course, out of sight though. I'd assume the 'super' logo is probably just painted.
Seth Kauffman r/whoosh
Tan Kapo I'm not a fan of whoosh comments personally, but I believe its valid to say the joke may have gone over Seth's head
"If you're ready to dip your toes into the... water"
"burned an effigy of his leather jacket" hahaha xD
solid bants
"Just buy it," they said. "It'll be worth it in a year," they said.
To be fair, that was basically just Tom's.
Damn, Steve must be hopped up on caffine! :P Had to rewatch some of the scenes to actually catch what was said, since he was talking so fast :P
bought a ROG RTX 2070 3 months ago with around 600 USD ( 2450 MYR) which is also my 1st Nvidia card. i'm feeling like an idiot now . :(
lol
Yeah I get the feeling. I bought a used Vega 64 a couple weeks ago for 350 usd. It was great value back then though, so IMO sticking to buying previous gen used/new GPUs might be the way in the future.
looks like i wont be needing to upgrade my 1080 ti for a very long time.
Inb4: all new titles start using RTX oof.
Of course you can always turn that off so it's no big deal
@@MCOGroupNews at least 5 years
Khal Tical
I’m running a 1080 rn. Should I upgrade to a 1080ti or 2070 super? Mmmmmm
@@EGGMANNoriginal I think you'll be able to get a 2070 Super much easier/cheaper than a 1080 Ti RIGHT now
Navysealsnake
Ya... I found a 1080 ti for $600, but that’s the best deal I’ve come across. Part of me wants to upgrade to a 2070 super and get a 1440p monitor. Part of me wants to try 1440p with my 1080 and see how she does. And the cheap part of me wants to just stick with my current setup 😂
I bought the MSI Trio X 2080 for 800€ on the 1st of November 2018. It's been 8 months and I am barely tilted by the price drop. There is always something better around the corner in tech. I was stuck on a 970 and considered waiting for Navi (like everybody did at the time). Looking back I can say that I made the right choice.
I got a 2080 AMP like 4 months ago and I'm still choked. I live in Canada tho. Any decent 2070 super will only be $100 cheaper than a decent 2080. Which isn't a big deal. We get screwed in Canada.
I bought the 2070 in November with the higher binned TU106-400A chip for just under 500. Ok so this 2070 super would've been a good deal but I'm still happy with my card as it easily clocks about 1950mhz . I came from an OC'd 980 and my VR performance is much better so I'm good either way
Hi we are nvidia we don't give a **** that we rip our customers off. Hell we aren't even going to try and hide it.
EVERYONE knew those RTX cards were overpriced.
so if everybody knew and people bought them anyway, then it is their fault ;)
So RX690 by AMD not overprice?
every single generation has early released cards and later on cheaper cards.
FluphyBunny I mean, AMD is guilty of that as well. 5700xt costs about the same as a 2070 super with estimated less performance and no ray tracing.
Hey Steve, please do a TON of Navi vs RTX Super testing. Especially around overclocking AND undervolting each card... just to show us the best possible comparison.
RDNA is going to be fascinating.
The best hardware testing site got even better - just, wow! Thanks again for your commitment to quality and all of your hard work.
Nice review, as always very detailed. At 26:08 that blower style GPU on the right, is that a Navi card I see?
Yup
Yes!!!! Cooling shroud dip detected!! I can't believe I had to scroll through comments for a straight couple of min to get to someone who saw that!!!
Maybe Steve sounds a little reserved about Super cards in this review because he's getting ready for the Navi videos and it might be a little more exciting than Super seems to be.. IMO..
This comment needs more attention!!
The 2070 Super is basically a 2080 but it cost $200 less! These companies are milking us dry.
"That'll make some RTX buyers feel like the beta testers we, frankly, said they would be" Steve is Savage AF😂😂😂
Top notch review but where can I download SUPER add-on and more clock speed?
It would be nice to have an actual wrap-up at the end to collate all of what was said throughout the video to make sure the point that is being made comes across clearly. I had to pause and do a little digging to see what was being discussed here at times, as this is far more technical than I have ever really gotten before. As someone a bit new to the 'Build your own' market, it's a touch overwhelming.
RTX 2080 Ti Super Turbo Champion Edition: The New Challenger.
How you do Ken!
I can't wait for the King of Radeon XIV.
Awesome Stig reference Steve.
Good review tech jesus, I'll buy a vega 56 and undervolt and OC. Thanks.
Thats what I did. 280 bucks, works for me.
I got a Vegas 56 for $255. Not bad imo
@@rodolfourive7944 Sweet, good deals, good card. I only have4 1440p anyways.
@@nfijef I want a nitro vega 56 but it's so overpriced atm thanks to the increased demand for Vega 56s :(
Bought vega 64 for 360 bucks 2 weeks ago right before stock ran out, undervolted and oced. Feels good man.
Please speak at this speed from now on.
Normally I get bored waiting for info but this was awesome!!!
The "super" branding logo gives me bad vibes of a "SUPREME" wannabe.
What a stretch of imagination you had.
Unfortunately this will probably mean that the GPU market will stay at it current state for atleast another generation, the Super GPUs just out perform AMD options ones again, this time even in pricing. AMD should probably start to concentrate their R&D back to the Compute-Market, where they still have an viable options with the Radeon VII and the Radeon Instinct cards.
@UHD Gaming PC Which means that we will have another year of the Nvidia monopoly. We did get an great upgrade in performance/Price, but we still dont have an really competitive GPU market.
@UHD Gaming PC Didn't kill AMD at all. Just put NAVI in a rough spot
Even if AMD cards were better you'd still buy nvidia.
@UHD Gaming PC no... AMD are not a singular company.
This is not "RIP AMD DEAD COMPANY COZ NVIDIA IS PROPER SICK BRUZ"
This simply means AMD won't be competing in the GPU division for another 12 months
@UHD Gaming PC So why RIP AMD??
You know what RIP stands for right?
You're yelling as if AMD are gonna fold and go bankrupt because Nvidia released an RTX refresh
This should make life interesting in the used 1080ti market
Otäck Kulandunglar last I checked the 1080 ti on retail was going for over $1200, used roughly around $800. I might be able to upgrade o.o
Quivic, if you check out the hardware swaps, 1080ti is selling for $480-$550 shipped
Got a 1080ti used for 500$ still with a year of warranty. Switched out the cooler with hopes it will hold long enough to see significant gains in the GPU space.
1080 TI is still a awesome GPU but in my case I`m still using a GTX 970,been looking at GTX 1080 TI used but going for $500,so buy the new RTX 2070 Super and it`s a new card makes sense over a used 1080 TI.Then Ampere comes out in 2020.
@@drekceldude It's kind of impossible to find a regular 2070 for 500$ outside the US, I got a feeling the Super will have a small price bump over that. Besides the 1080ti is still better if you overlook the longevity concern and have no use for RTX(not a dev)
Best way to solve being burnt by Nvidia? Buy more Nvidia cards
Its like a koala bear just crapped a rainbow in my brain
I have the energy of a bear that has the energy of two bears!
I am thinking that the 2060 super has the biggest improvement of the bunch?
Its also the only one with a price bump.
Best analysis ever. So detailed. Cant wait your review for the new AMD chips.
so you can't wait to be disappointed, you have patience!
@@sirfairplay9153 I need a new PC to run Adobe and animation software so I want to see the benchmarks. Adobe works better with Intel. I'm.open to any company though. I also game.
amd cpu = wonky performance. tons of applications and especially games are optimized for intel.
1650 Super-
2070 Super-
2080ti-
3090ti-
4090-
I would not buy anything else.
On the Nvidia side,
These cards listed above are typically the best bang for the money.
You bought an RTX card and could barely use RT. Now you feel burned.
I knew the RTX 2070 was a bad card, performing worse than 1080 Ti and costs more than 1070, now the Super at least trails closely with 1080Ti.
It beats the 1080ti. Look at techpowerups review. 2% faster overall.
Of course it costs more than the 1070, it out performs it. Can't pick and choose different cards when wanting to say price performance
@@MrDutch1e if that's true, then it also beats the standard 2080, sucks to be a 2080 owner right now.
@@cmdrflint9115 no it doesn't. 2080 is 10% faster than a 1080ti overall. Still too close for comfort considering the price difference. I have a 2080 and there's no way I would have bought it if I knew the 2070 super is coming. Actually I'd prob have gone with the 2080 super when it releases.
@Andrew I mean the price of the --70 SKU this gen. They increased the price while having a lower performance increase this gen compared to 900 to 10 series.
This is how the RTX line should have released. thanks, Crypto currency crash
not even, that was over. nvidia just played us all like walking piggy banks and are counting on us forgetting that and pretending like things are fine and they never pulled one of the most dishonest product launches in history on us.
The release of Super cards after the original RTX cards happens when the other GPU competitor is AMD and their GPUs are marketed for lower end rigs. Nvidia has no fear of competition.
@@DobrieNIN What part was dishonest? Except for the part where retards expected ray tracing to come without a performance cost.
@@DobrieNIN You will forget though when the next cards are released. You all will 😅
@@hurrdurrimaburr the part where ray tracing was made out to be worth hundreds more. The fact that their own super launch debunks by dropping the upcharge less than a year later. And i absolutely will not forget but im concerned most will because they arent as "pro consumer" as they claim they sre when they are bitching about cosmetic microtransactions
Thanks for giving all round reviews, not only “the best of the best”.. sometimes the choice is in the two lower range GPU’s. Not new and not available 3080 or 3090...
I don’t have buyers remorse for being an early owner of a RTX 2080. I’ve used the card everyday for months and I get my value out of it so no reason to be upset.
Ooof, Non-Super-RTX owners are screwed big time.
Not Navi buyers. Nvidia just fixed the Navi pricing problem 👍
"Killing" is a little baity.. The Radeon VII has better 1% lows and frame times across the board, even beating the 2080ti at times.
Not saying its good value but it's certainly not a bad card especially if you replace the crappy cooler!
If it's not practical at all then why would a benchmark made? This data wouldn't be very helpful.
@@zempest1959 I agree but even at stock it has the best 1% lows generally so its still one of the smoothest cards around, its just a shame we never saw any aftermarket models from the likes of Asus etc.
@@DeeG7 I can attest to its smoothness. See my comment above.
@@mariusvanvuuren4983 Do you have a 2080ti to compare it against?
Could you include GTX 1080 scores please (non-ti)? Just to get an idea how the 20 series compares to the 10 series?
AMD's NAVI 2019 looks to be a bad choice so far, but the PRICING also matters. The main reasons to consider NAVI would be:
a) if you think 8GB matters more than 6GB for a NAVI card that competes with RTX2060 card (so the NAVI card might have 8GB but the RTX2060 has the RT/Tensor cores. Both the extra VRAM and the RT/Tensor cores will get increasingly utilized as time goes by so it's a tough choice. I really don't think 6GB is quite enough but I also think RT/Tensor will start showing its value in 2021 after the consoles launch which are rumored to do ray-tracing reasonably often so we can expect hardware-based ray tracing for cross-platform PC games, or
b) You have a FREESYNC monitor that doesn't support GSync (there are GSync compatible Freesync monitors which means NVidia added driver support for some Freesync monitors that will work fine with GSync cards. Many don't, especially if they don't support LFC.)
c) If the NAVI FPS per Dollar value is higher.
*Personally, for any NVidia RTX2000 series with at least 8GB of VRAM I'd buy it over AMD NAVI even if the Dollar per FPS is slightly higher because of the added RT/Tensor value. At the same price I'd say if it gets 90% of the performance on average of NAVI I'd get an RTX2000 card (Super or not, though preferably Super due to the slight improvements).
the 2060 super has 8gb's of ram.that would be the more reasonable comparison.
I think the super cars are so shiny to improve ray-tracing on a "Hardware level" ya know...
lol
🎇🎇🎇
I sense that this is going to be a top comment.
Take me up with you.
Click baity title. Radeon 7 was DOA, Rtx super only rekts Rtx FE buyers.
At 0:57 on the right corner, ain't that a Navi GPU?
Yup! And again at 20:06
Whoops... dyslexia maybe.. 26:06
Just looking for any 1080p players experience. Would you still recommend this res for future friendly build or is it better to go 1440p?
1440p if you care about visuals and graphics, 1080p if you want high refresh rates.
So if u purchased a 2080, u mad.
If u purchased a Radeon VII, u aight.
If you are in the market it looks good but also wait for Navi.
#RADEONBRAIN
I hope to see some hybrid kits for the new super cards. it'll be better performance wise and quieter.
Killing the Radeon VII with 8GB VRAM is questionable.
At high resolutions these cards are not future proof and will face some serious bottlenecking after the next gen console games will be released for pc.
The current 2080 is already having VRAM bottlenecking problems in a number of AAA games, Resident Evil 2 for example. A friend of mine sold his specifically b/c of this problem, aside from driver issues. 8GB on a $700 card is just unacceptable, that card is gonna age like milk and its gonna be another 290X 8gb/780TI 3gb story.
@@toppsballer Division 2 loads +- 13 gigs of the Vram on Radeon VII too, its only matter of time before games require more Vram than 8 Gigs...
After the next gen consoles will be released, pc ported games will require much more VRAM then they did before. This could be a problem for almost every gpu except the Radeon Vii and the 2080 Ti. What a joke.
Forgot that AMD Navi hardware embargo is up in 5 days. We'll see if this super move by Nvidia will pay off for them.
Where is raytracing benchmark? Whats the damn port royale for if nobody uses it?
The port royale benchmark is all over the place, in the last 3 driver updates, my score has gone from 9000 to 9980, with a jump of nearly 1000 points with just driver updates, it hardly makes for a reliable test.
There’s only like three games that have it (one of which is a fan made remake of a 20+ year old game) and no one really cares.
@@ElZamo92 4 games :)
If I’m upgrading from 1080, actually the only thing I care about are raytracing benchmarks - I already know it’s probably not worth it for rasterization. Specifically I’d be interested in Quake 2 RTX benchmarks (since that’s the game I’d be upgrading for).
@Chiriac Puiu Except it did? Now you can crank up BFV DXR to High while using RTX 2060 Super. Hell, it even gets more performance on ME, SotR
Its easy:
RTX 2070 Super--> RTX 2070Ti
RTX 2060 Super-->RTX 2060Ti
@@zoltanbartha5352
RTX 2080 super--> RTX 2080Ti
RTX 2080Ti--> RTX 2080TiTi
@@big0sro0boss there's no RTX2060TI DUMB SHITZ
Everyone that bought the 20 series at full price earlier. Ouch.
@Gamers Nexus - Love your work. Thanks!
seems like your still better off buying a used 1080 TI......
no, 2070 super beats 1080 ti by 3% on average, look at techpowerup. this is while consuming around 100 watts less. rtx support. nvidia driver focus. 2070 super will only get faster, 1080 ti won't. 1080 ti mostly win in old games, pre-turing.
@@Dr.WhetFarts Pretty much my thinking,the RTX 2070 Super is only going to improve with driver updates,GTX 1080 TI at its max now plus brand new and as Ray Tracing and few other features to boot.
not even close to true
i have a RTX 2070 so basically now. i paid 2070 Super money for a RTX 2060 super. RIP MONEY
At least you got to play all the many raytraced games since launch.
@@4.0.4 hahahahahaha
Sorry Steve, love the channel but I can't agree that Nvidia got the memo on pricing. This is a massive price hike for a **60 series card. $399 for a **60 class FE card is not value (so the aftermarket cards will be between $449 & $499?). They are price gouging, nothing more.
Will wait for Navi reviews, then if as expected it too is overpriced, will wait for team blue next year! I'm not paying $449 for a **60 class card, and will stick with my 1060 6GB and wait until it fails if they are goanna carry on like this!
Great in-depth review otherwise, thanks!
This is the reason why Nvidia won't discontinue the RTX 2060 non-super, even tho $400 is still expensive for what should be the entry level card in the lineup, but the thing is, the 2060 Super is on pair with the RTX 2070 non-super all across the board so I guess its performance justifies its pricing, or at least that's what Nvidia thinks.
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 No, I don't see any false analogy because I said that that's what Nvidia thinks. The price bump started with the original RTX series, so similar pricing was to be expected, and the original 2060 will maybe go down on price.
Also the 780 ti is two generations older than your card lol, meanwhile the 2060 Super and the 2070 have the same architecture and the latter isn't even a year older. Your comparison makes no fucking sense.
One guy in my gaming Discord was wagging his dick around and posting a bunch of pictures of his new Radeon VII, proclaiming Nvidia dead.
Uh huh. These products are disappointing, but the fact that the 2070 Super effectively kills the VII, that says a lot of about AMD. I guess we’ll “wait for Navi” as per usual.
More important is how AMD's 5700xt will fare against the 2070s
That is the REAL question, tho nobody here can discount 1080ti's aging balls of steel. 1080ti, what a beast! But I'm looking forward to 5700xt by the second.
@@brandaccount5588 Yeah I'm hoping it can put up numbers equal to the 2070s.
2070’s / 2070s
@@watchornot3139 Well no one will be buying a 2070 now since the 2070s is better and $499
I think Jensieboi just caught up with the new dragon ball
I think AMD Radeon VII can still hold its own. Expect price to go down when NAVI release. People who bought the first gen 2060 and 2070 is really pissed right now with nvidia.
lmao, radeon vii is a joke. doa.
genuinely curious as to how R-DNA will stack up now. the 5700XT was about to go for the 2070's throat before SUPER dropped and now it looks like it'll be deadlock.
so basically people who bought the 2080 for 700 bucks are now screwed :p very well played nvidia ...
Fuck Nvidia now I'll be on red team always
def not bought mine 10 months ago sept 2018 def happy I didn't wait 10 months to save 200$ and get less performance. I would agree with what your saying for people that bought a RTX 2060 and maybe a 2070 recently but 2080 definitely not. If you own a 2080 you'd know there is no reason to upgrade unless a card comes out that does 4k well.
S.U.P.E.R = Supplemental Unnecessary Part Erroneously Released.
It's better for the same money.
I'm an AMD fanboi and investor and even I don't get this comment.
@@dougshellusn some fanboys are worse than others
@@dougshellusn Better than before is already good you are right, if it also could be as good as the generation before it that would be even better...
@@dougshellusn It divides alot of investors the gold question. Holding physical gold is like an insurance policy. It goes up when everything else gets risky. Investing in financial products that are linked to gold is not necessarily the same thing though.
Alot of people are saying the markets are in for a rough ride. Recession is coming. Holding some gold will be good if that happens. Selling it at the right time is important. You really have to do some research n make this decision yourself. If your not sure, and you sound unsure, dont go buying things you dont understand.
@@stevethea5250 what the hell are you talking about?
Any benchmarks for rendering & encoding? Was planning on a VII for my editing/rendering rig. You know; Blender, Handbrake, Magix Vegas, etc. Would like to see how these Supers are compared to the VII in those scenarios
GTX 1080 would have been nice to have in those graphs as a reference point.
Also, is there going to be a 2080 and 2080 Ti Super?
I would like to see faces of people whom got rtx 2070 recently...
why, rtx 2070 still rapes amd's gpus.
Fuck im going to kill someone
Killing Radeon VII ? more like killing off your customer base , i definetly will buy a radeon card next when upgrading from my RTX 2060 OC ,and i wont even wait too long to upgrade this time , hell i might even sell my card and get a Vega 64 until the better Radeon cards come out in the future.
@@KAKUN_DESU i dont feel stupid ,but feel cheated (those supercard specs should be the initial release) ,,im talking about future AMD cards after the 5700x ,because AMD cards will be better too after Ryzen 3000 takes over .
@@KAKUN_DESU well i just bought that RTX 2060 OC ,so from my point of view it is different , my only up side is i didnt get the 2070 or 2080 ,because those are replaced by super at the same pricepoint ( could be worth to damage them with a overclock and replace them for a SUPER under warranty)
Thanks for the info! Right on the 2nd!!! Been waiting for this.
It is amazing how flat and stable the frequency is for 2070 Super. Stock FE 2070 Super is faster then the fastest 2070 BLACK Edition. Truly a superior platform then outdated 2070. I do agree with Steve that original RTX owners are simply BETA testers.
Lol @ people paying 100% markup on launch RTX
They're still too expensive. the 2070 and 2060 Super need to come down by about $150 or so.
how come, both of them beat amd's navi with ease in both price/perf and perf/watt.
If you had enough money in your pocket .. you wont say that
Thanks for the DETAILED info!!!!!
Liked the top gear stig reference! Keep it up.
I refuse to believe there are gamers who actually bought Radeon VII
It's for people who want RTX 2080 performance at 4K without the VRAM limitations of the RTX2080. And it is for people who enjoy tuning their cards.
If I was in the market for that price range I would have bought the vega 7 over the 2080. I have a vega 64 and games perfectly fine on 4k ultra. So...the vega 7 being more powerful plus WAY more ram and better ram, that card is more future proof than the 2080. Only thing nvidia has over the vega 7 is ray tracing. However their ray tracing won't ever catch on. So the vega 7 would have been the smarter buy.
So 'Super' actually means 'you bought our dud first gen cards, suckers!''.
Thanks GN - brilliant review as always :-)
nice review as always thank you very much!
When are getting any info about the 2080 Super?
All that AMD has to do is drop their prices by 100USD on each of their cards, and off they go.
The prices will be fair, and they'll destroy nVidia.
But they aren't because they wont be able to get rid of the old vega cards
This video has been live for 12 mins and is 27 mins long. You posted your comment 5 mins ago, which means there is no way you watched it, and you're a troll!
What an idiot!
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 The article is available in the pinned comment. I don't want to presume you're capable of seeing, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 Also, you don't know what "troll" means.
@UHD Gaming PC Well, you raise a valid point. Marketing has a huge impact on sales. I really just meant destroy them in value or price/performance, whatever you want to call it. Of course they're not gonna destroy them in sales. Considering the way the stock market works, I don't think we'll see AMD destroying nVidia (or Intel, for that matter) in sales in the next 10 years. The stock market rewards slow steady growth. And when the owners of the company are the biggest stakeholders, the slower and the steadier the better.
Slow down, Steve! Take a breath! ;)
Is there a chance of you guys reviewing the Silverstone Lucid LD03 case any time soon?
If AMD price rx 5700 at $299, it would sell like irresistible hot cakes.
it would sell even better if they priced it at 5$
Nvidia: LOL@ the people who purchased rtx on launch
Fuxking team green
Raytracing is still useless(to consumers) and GPUs are still overpriced
yup. Should have put RT tech on quadros and given us better priced GPUs without that pointless tech for us. Its just not logical yet for active gameplay. No one wants those terrible performances.
@jonny j So exactly what the OP said. Ray tracing is currently useless for consumers.
@@ryrin6091 It's useful in the games that support it.
@@ericliu8434 No it isn't. It completely tanks performance.
Steve,
Do all cards that support DP1.4 automatically have DSC or is it an option to support DSC?
Thanks for the comparison. Why wasn't 2080 OC included?