Glycine Combat Sub before and after Invicta take over
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Glycene is a good company but would be out of business if it wasn't for invicta. Invictas CEO has stated they want to keep Glycene as their higher end Swiss Watch company. If Glycene didn't need to make some changes they wouldn't have been about to go bankrupt. I think we can count on Glycene to be around for the foseeable future and hopefully making great watches for a long time. I'd buy their watches no problem. Good review.
Thank you. I do appreciate Invicta saving Glycine from bankruptcy.
, and also lowering the prices. I was tempted to buy Glycine watches in the past, but the price held me back. Now I own too many of them.
@@WrongTimeWatch Agree 100%
FoSeeable! ? You GO Mo'fo-ah Digginnit-You Feel me brah? haha!
Great comprehensive video. All of these points you make any watch enthusiast would do if they could but you put you $$ up for our benefit. Solid!
Thank you, I appreciate it.
I bought me a sub and can’t get enough of it. My aim was to get the cheapest available swiss made automatic diver and Glycine won. For the money the quality is amazing
I totally agree. One of, if not the best bang for the buck watch(es) out there.
I just bought a Glycine after weeks of doing research into the same thing. I was looking at other divers like the Doxa 200, Oris, Zodiac, but Glycine offered so much for the price I couldn’t justify buying the more expensive divers, especially since they use the same exact movement.
FYI a buddy of mine works at glycine and told me specifically no changes whatsoever have been made in regards too moving the factory or anyone with Invicta making any changes. Glycine is still made in same factory in switzerland....
I believe it. Before or after Invicta these watches are a great value.
Invicta insider here.
One of the biggest way we helped Glycine from going under was our buying power of Sellita movements. We Never got involved in how Glycine manufactures their products. Just inserted more money into the company and our buying power in the movements they use was more than enough to keep the company competitive.
As someone that works at a large company with buying power, this makes total sense to me. There are definitely advantages to buying in large volumes. Also, thanks for sharing your insight on this topic.
@@WrongTimeWatch thanks for the reply sir. Didn’t think I’d get a reply on one of your older videos. But I thought I’d share some information regarding this issue. We know that there was a lot of Glycine supporters who were worried about the acquisition. We also know that there’s no need to change anything that works. Glycine have been making quality watches for a long time and surely because of Invicta’s help, will continue to do so.
It's not an "Invicta". It's a Glycine. Invicta isn't making these and referencing that is incorrect. Almost to the point of social engineering. No different than calling an Audi or Bugatti a Volkswagen because VW is the parent company.
Thanks, I was referring to the Glycine which as purchased after the Invicta take over as an Invicta for ease of comparison.
I've seen new glycine combat subs that are 48mm and I thought Invicta rebranded!!
I've worked for Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge for 27 years. When we merged with Mercedes out product reflected that with the parts build. When we split and merged with Fiat our product again changed. When we were with Mercedes our cars were the worst. German engineering is to see how cheep they can make something. Since we've been with Fiat out vehicles are nicer. When companies merge it does affect the end product. If you read to the end of this then like me you have nothing better to do. LOL. I also just bought a Glycine watch. I enjoy the content of the video. So much I just subscribe to your channel and gave it a thumbs up.
@@Tech-ez1qj Thanks for subscribing. It will be interesting to see what happens to Chrysler after the merger with PSA. I will have a video coming out eventually starting this, but I think the Glycine combat sub is the best watch value right now.
It's funny, on the Glycine Facebook page, people who are selling their Glycine n listing it as " pre-invicta" as if that notation adds value to their watch. It's ridiculous. It means nothing
Great job. I enjoyed the heck outta that. I need an early Glycine now. Shoulda been a sales man. Lol. Thank you for sharing
Thank you for watching and for the compliment. The current Glycine Combat Sub is a good watch for $320. Probably just a bit big for my wrist, but I will wear it anyway.
I got the same GL0088 right after the GL0087. Just love that orange. Great video!!
I am having a hard time deciding which one to sell. I like the orange accent as well, but the GL0087 looks a little more classy.
@@WrongTimeWatch I agree with you. That was exactly the reason for me to grab the 87. Then, my beater had problems so I had to get another one for everyday usage, which happened to be the 0088. Both are great! I'm glad they have many options so that everyone can find his or her perfect Combat sub.
My friend and I both bought GL0076 watches from Costco last year, his has the interim winged logo and a case with drilled lugs. Mine has the new logo and no drilled lugs, my bezel is rock solid. Thanks for clearing up the differences on the Sub.
Thank you for watching. I am almost tempted to try and get a hold of all the different variations of the Glycine Combat Sub, but that would make a boring collection. This is very interesting to me though. All these different variations.
Wrong Time Watch I think Invicta’s influence is to market Glycine heavily to compete with micro brand and Seiko sales. Glycine prices on the open market have dropped considerably. I still love mine.
Which makes me wonder, are we getting $1,000 watches for $300, or was it a $300 watch that was selling for $3,000?
@@WrongTimeWatch no these are definately worth 1k. they have quartz watches going for 500 and japanese watches for 1500. i have three, 1 pre invicta and 2 after. they are all solid well made nice working and great. invicta knew this was a way to take all that junk hustle money and really get in the game. also 20 percent of his customer base always wanted better watches just couldnt afford it. now he can be king of mid level luxury $500 to $2500. he can do it if he acquires 1 more decent company not mess them up and have good customer service. i love all mine
I'm thinking the Invicta buy out was for the best it put alot of money into the company and a new price strategy , I bet they do well !
High profit low sales vs low profit high sales. I am all about buying these watches at a lower price
@@WrongTimeWatch becoming the “entry level” Swiss brand isn’t bad. A lot of people moving forward will remember having a glycine as their first Swiss.
@@FullOfMalarky I am certain that they are selling a lot more watches now. I am not sure if their profits have increased though.
Great video! Super nice watch -- hmm - thinking about getting one. Love the detailed comparison of the two models. One thing I appreciate is your review -- with you actually having the watches. Too many watch tubers do reviews or talk about watches without ever having seen the watch. Thanks keep it up with the great reviews!
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. I have sometimes thought about creating videos to discuss watches that I don't have on hand, but have decided against it for the time being.
I bought the GL0083 at Costco for $299. It is 42mm, has the same gloss and polish on the caseback as the original you have. My crown stem has the gasket. My bezel is rock solid and does not bounce at all. Just because Glycine was purchased by Invicta means nothing. The CEO said they are leaving the company to operate as a separate entity.
One of the best values for a dice watch. Swiss made, Swiss movement, sapphire crystal, and it is so thin as well.
These watches are now almost entirely made in China. The components are shipped over to Switzerland and assembled with a Sellita SW200-1 movement. The straps are probably still supplied by the same company, that's why they look identical.
Yea, there is no doubt that as much of the is made overseas as possible, still a great value for the money though.
There is AR on the underside. That’s the only place you want it, trust me, I have it on my Breitling and Panerai and it causes scratches because the AR coding is not as hard as it has the sapphire so it might as well be acrylic or mineral crystal because you have to look at scratches on it until you replace the crystal again.
I have heard that you can remove the AR coating from the topside of the crystal. However it is kind of a hassle to do so. Rolex does net even use AR coating at all. So just having it on the underside ought to be good enough.
I agree, it is a great feature for sure.
I was trying to describe the smell of the rubber strap for my Glycine: vanilla is exactly right! Great review, man!
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
Good clip. Thank you. To the uninitiated their essentially same. Have several Invicta's which are good for the price. Unfortunately Invicta
chooses to design watches that recently a huge, and somewhat crazy looking with questionable quality control. The early watches circa 2000's
are good!
Thank you. Yes, I agree, there are just a few Invicta watches that I like.
I have a pre and post as well. As a matter of fact, I paid around $1100 for the pre invicta glycine about 2 months before invicta bought them. A year later and the watches were less than half the price. Needless to say i was pissed😂. I actually like the post invicta glycine better with the exception of the drilled lugs. That is something i wish glycine would do again. I also wish they would release some heritage models.
I remember when they were over $1,000. I was really tempted to buy one back then, but held off as I was not as watch crazy back then. I would not be happy with the price drop after buying one as well. I guess if you don't sell it, then you have not lost any money on it. It is a good watch for $1,000, and of course even better for the current price.
Glycine is like Orient being take over by bigger guys but stay the same or even better
Yes, without Invicta, Glycine would likely not exist right now.
Well........Orient is already owned by the big guys........Seiko
They are using a different spring in the bezel on the new Glycine which is why it has a little bit more flex on the bezel itself. I liked the old logo more but they are pretty much the same other than some additional markings on the dial and a simplified logo. I'm glad Invicta stepped in to help them out. There are so many old good watch companies that went out of business. A lot of people really rate these and I'd like to add one to my collection. You get some great deals on these in the US. I have a bit more of an uphill battle here in the UK. I think you've got a site called Ashford that has some bargains, especially with the seasonal sales. I'd have to pay import tax whether I got these from the European Site or the US one and it adds quite a bit to the price.
I think these are great watches for the money. You can usually find them around $350. You can find some good deals on Ebay as well. I agree, if not for Invicta buying out Glycine, they might not be in business today.
I clicked on knowing it will be a nit-picky comparison video. I can’t believe the amount of people mad that you are nit-picking. I enjoyed it at least 👍🏽
Thank you. My goal was not to say that one was better then the other, but to try and point out all the differences. It is very interesting how different these watches are, being the "same" watch.
You got 3 very beautiful watches!!
Thanks, I need to start downsizing the collection though.
@@WrongTimeWatch I got the same problem, I'm still in the "acquisition" phase, after 20 years of collecting, now I got about 70 watches and I badly need to let some of them go, especially because some of them are still unworn. Anyway it's difficult to me to let them go. More than that, if you decide to let one of your little treasures go, let me know :-) Cheers, be safe!
@panda adnap I'll follow your footprint! My wife will understand :-)
Have to do what is best for you.
It's interesting to see how it's changed since the takeover. I think the early Glycine looks the better of the two if I'm being honest. Nice work with the video.
Thank you. The differences sure are interesting. It almost seems like they are now sourcing the parts from different suppliers. At least the lume has improved now.
Cool video!
Thank you very much
That's a lot of Glycine and good catch on the bezel play from the case.
Do they have the same movement?
Good question. The Gylcine Combat Subs before the Invicta take over had ETA movements. Sometime after the takeover they transitioned to Sellita. It is hard to tell since Glycine renamed the movement as a Glycine movement.
Thanks for video
Thanks for watching.
Wrong Time Watch please tell me which Glycine to buy now? at 20atm or buy newer ones at 30atm? what are you saying?
20 atm is the one I would choose. I am not ever planning to be more than 100 meters underwater.
Wrong Time Watch does 20atm mean better quality than 30atm, as 30atm is already produced in Invicta?
I believe that all of the combat subs are made by Glycine. Also, I believe that all combat subs are 20 atm.
Bro, don't call it an Invicta. Its still a Glycine with Invicta ownership. I have the GL00083 model, and love it. Especially for it's price point.
I totally agree, they are great watches for the money.
Have 3 early ones 2x subs 1bronze 1 chronograph + 1x airman. Rock solid watches for the $..
Glycine is among my favorite watch brands
@@WrongTimeWatch mine 2 , since I've added 2 more ( now have 5) combat 6 - 43 mm blue dial & a combat classic open heart 40mm. Changed both straps though.
Great video
Thank you very much
Invicta did not" Screw up Glycine,"They helped it!
Glycine might not be in existence today if not for Invicta.
While Invicta makes throw away garbage, Glycine is still solid. Very well priced for a Swiss Made automatic watch. The new ones have replaced the ETA movement because ETA has said they will no longer sell movements outside of their Swatch owned world (not sure if that has been implemented). The new movement (Sellita) is actual a 26 jewel movement that works vey well. I bought one and noticed no bezel movement. COSTCO has a few models at very reasonable prices. Given the thefts of expensive watches these days, I have to be very careful wearing expensive watches and have a few watches like this one that are ideal if you are traveling or in a lawless urban environment like NYC, LA, Chicago etc.
The Glycine Combat Sub is one of the best watch values on the market right now. I do own a couple of invicta watches, and I would not consider them to be throw away watches. I own a the Pro Diver.
Nice review! Thanks for showing the wrist shots! My wrist is also 6.5" but my hands are a bit smaller. I think it does look big. Lug to lug size doesn't help, although they hug the wrist better. I love how slim it is! I was planning on getting the gl00269 in black. Do you feel it's too big?
Well, it comes down to personal preference. I think it wears well enough on a nato strap that the longer lug to lug is OK. If you are OK with spending $400 or less, I think it is worth a try. You can usually find them used for less than $300.
@@WrongTimeWatch I've seen these on ebay, Jomashop and Amazon around $320 - $350. I'm very tempted 😅
This video made me pass on getting a combat sub. I'll stick with Seiko.
The combat sub is hard to beat for the price.
I feel sorry for you because you misinterpreted this information And missed out on a good well made watch!
@@davidcrandall4958 Haha. Don't waste your time feeling sorry for me. I do not feel bad for passing on the combat sub. But, I will say, it does sound coolAF to say, "I'm wearing a Combat Sub."
For complete clarity, I have not found a combat sub I truly like. And, my last watch is a Samurai, which I love love.
It seems like you pointed out superficial differences. Also, no mention of the movements...big part to leave out of your comparison IMO.Finally, it wasn't clear if you thought the pre-Invicata watch was superior or simply different.
I was focusing on what I could see. However, yes, the older combat sub is supposed to have an ETA movement, and the new combat sub is supposed to have a Sellita movement. From what I understand the movements are very comparable, regardless of the manufacturer. I think the current Gylcine Combat Sub is a good value for up to $400, even $500.
@@WrongTimeWatch I'm prob going around in circles by repeating others' comments, however, sites do talk about post Invicta Glycine using Chinese made parts assembled in Switzerland. Some debate about this but it would explain the drop in price point and perhaps undermine the brand's perception and quality of the piece overall. Eg. The chapter ring apparently gives a suspension effect when you push face-down and only gives a 60 click rotation. Seeing and feeling the thing would be the ultimate decider but Invicta brand does spoil the impression of a prestige piece if there is one to be had.
I don't know for sure, but I would be willing to bet that the Glycine Combat Sub has the maximum amount of Chinese parts possible to stay under the limit to use "Swiss made" on the dial. I am also willing to bet that the Gylcine Combat Sub was also using chinese parts before the Invicta take over.
Wrong Time Watch Sir, as a social scientist I was trained that my opinion doesn’t matter unless I can prove it with evidence. What I suspect or willing to bet on is relevant unless I can prove it.. If you suspect that the watch has Chinese parts in it then you need to prove it. Otherwise it’s time to move on.I’m done here. TY.
@@tomford2859 this is for the whole chinese thing. There are quality products made in china. If they are even in there in the first place .
I’m wondering since they were purchased on different dates if the newer one is just a newer version of the watch still made by the same company.
I purchased the first one NOS about 4 years ago, and the most recent one just last year. The case seems to have come from different factories.
Personally. I like the newer version.
I don't think that you can go wrong with either one.
Very nice comparison, I only have one tiny critique. When you say the SKX has the better overall lume, that seems to just be because the lumed area is larger. That is of course a design choice rather than a quality aspect. I think from the way you phrased it, that wasn't immediately clear.
That is a very nitpicky detail, but I guess it suits this video haha. Again very helpful video :)
Yes, you have a valid point. I should have stated that. I may have in another video. There is another version of the Comba Sub with larger indexes now. I should get one in for review.
@@WrongTimeWatch Thanks for the very quick response!
I am really unsure about whether or not I should go for this watch. On the one hand I'm in love, on the other hand the Swiss movement is quite expensive to service. So I figure I should really go for something with an NH35 and replace the movement in 20 years.
I'm buying this watch as a graduation gift (to myself) so I want it to last.
That is up to you to decide. I did not buy a watch for my graduation. I suppose you could buy a seiko turtle or samurai with the sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel. It will cost about $200 more than the Glycine combat sub though.
Since you have a few. If you want to part with one let me know. Thx
Please send me an email, I will have to look and see what I still have. wrongtimewatch@gmail.com.
@@WrongTimeWatch Friendly Reminder I emailed you on Saturday Feb 26th.
Interesting video. just a side note and correct me if I am wrong but I thought that when changing time you should always go forward and not backwards (you rolled time back 1 hour at start of video).
I have actually not heard this before. I did dkme searching, and It seems like it is an "old wives tale" and not true.
@@WrongTimeWatch yeah I was wondering about it and one of things I wasn't sure about. Thanks for checking
These are a no brainer....for $300 it's a steal. These Glycines used to sell for $1000 not too long ago. The quality is still there and STILL made in the same house.
I totally agree, one of the best value watches out there for sure. I remember watching a TGV video years ago talking about the Glycine Combat Sub, and they were just under $1,000 back then.
Drilled lugs on the older version
Yes, but I have heard of some with the winged logo also having drilled lugs.
I have drilled mu ga on new one
People need to get over who owns Glycine look at the watch companies that Swatch owns.
I totally agree. I have not heard much complaints about Zodiac being owned by Fossil. The Glycine Combat Sub is a great value at $400 or under, regardless of who owns the company.
Are you saying that you don't like it after Invicta has taken over
No, not at all. The purpose of the video was to point out the differences among these 3 Combat Subs. I think it is a good watch for the money. If not for Invicta, Glycine may not even be in business right now.
@@WrongTimeWatch I was kind of looking at the one without the bezel is more like a field watch or an oversized Hamilton
Invicta aren't affecting the construction or quality of Glycine
This told me one thing ...Invicta now make the case in China and send it to Switzerland ..before Invicta I bet the case was made in Switzerland . Individual serial numbers on the case is the main clue I have a 2011 combat . Awesome watch and a keeper ..copied logo ..pure Invicta ...Invicta is a really crap brand in my opinion
That could be true, but a lot of swiss watches have some of their watch parts made in China. I think pre or post Invitca take over you are still getting a good watch for the money.
what’s the deal with the two glycine’s stores out there, there is one based in Switzerland and one based in The Netherlands with everything at half price? very fishy
Not sure about those stores. I have purchased Glycine watches from the Invicta store, and have not had any issues with them.
On the 0088 model, I'd the absence of a gasket a serious issue if its supposed to be waterproof. Invicta? Swore blind I would never buy one based upon my last Invicta purchase that keeps steaming up for the slightest reason. Hot weather, close to water etc.
I am fairly certain that there are gaskets inside the crown tune that we cannot see. I think the gasket that we can see is a second, or even third gasket.
who knows where the movement on the new Glycine comes from, maybe from china with a Invicta body put together and sell as Glycine with a "Swiss Made" printed
No, it is a Swiss movement. Selitta SW200.
@@WrongTimeWatch Selitta, or ETA 2824?
The bezel play from the case must be luck of the draw. No play on my Invicta-owned GL0076 from Costco.
Well, that is interesting. I will be sure to check that on some other Glycine Combat Subs.
it's not not solid on mine too..and I have drilled lugs
No play or springiness on my GL0083 from Costco here either. Wouldn’t bother me though because springs absorb impacts!
Crown guards on orange version similar to “ Glycine” version, narrower ?
I would have to look at the watches again, but yes there are some slight differences in the cases.
Does the 'newest' (invicta) Glycine have the gasket on the crown stem?
Yes, it does.
@@WrongTimeWatch Are your crown stem gaskets still in place? I have a Combat Sub about 2 years old, well taken care of. I reached for it recently and the crown stem gasket had broken off. Apparently they dry up and break over time. I sent it out to for repair but I'm wondering if these external gaskets are purely decoroative and even necessary, seeing as some of them come without it. The gasket itself is exteremly thin and delicate, not surprising it broke off.
@@Implicitpurpose I have not experienced that, but I don't wear these watches all that much as I have a larger collection of warches
@@WrongTimeWatch Thanks, I don't wear mine often either, as I also have a large collection, which is why I was surprised the gasket broke. Have learned it's not uncommon for external crown stem gaskets to dry out and break off. Wish they'd make them with a sturdier material.
So do they all have the same movement and specs for the most part?
ETA or Selita, the specs are essentially the same. The Selita is a legal clone of the ETA movement.
Open them up so wee can see inside and the movements.
I'd really rather not open them up. I will be selling at least one of them.
@@WrongTimeWatch just put a new gasket in each of them after you're done don't you wast to see if it's a twenty five jewel movement or a twenty six jewel movement .come on bro .
I will see if I can use this red rubber ball thing that I got from China to open it.
@@WrongTimeWatch thank you bro .
We know its an eta
on mine gl0076 is bezel to not solid..is this problem..can this be fix? tnx
but I have drilled lugs
Unfortunately, I do not know of a way to fix this. You could try to pop thr bezel off and see if you could bend the clickspring, but I would not take the risk unless it is really bad.
Appreciate the content,
Top Tip for closeup videos: hand lotion.👍
Thank you, gets dry up here in the the winter time
Yep, me too!
So which one do you prefer? Pre Invicta, mid or Invicta? Thanks
I prefer drilled lugs, so I have to give that one the edge over the other one.
Are these aftermarket straps? What brand?
No, these are the factory straps
Totally confused video. A Invicta Combat Sub? Whats that?
That is what I was calling the Glycine Combat Sub that was manufactured after the Invicta take over.
So is Omega now SWATCH Group Omega? Just purchased the newer one/new, slightly damaged outside (cardboard) box for $250+ tax. Asking $299
Haven't worn yet, came with NATO strap.
Your original is a nice watch. The invicta is junk!
I will probably sell most of my combat subs. They don't get much wrist time.
I like having the Arabics
I like both, although it is easier to tell time with the Arabic dial, I do like the looks of the stick indexes. So, good to have both options.
Glycine still make the combat sub. You are comparing two completely different models. Invicta have no imput into how the glycine make their watches. They are both glycine watches.
Yes, they are both the Glycine Combat Sub. Which is why I was surprised to see so many differences between them.
@@WrongTimeWatchBecause they are different models💁🏻
its so subtle but you can tell the older one is just a classier watch
I am happy with both of them.
I disagree! They're both classy!
Invicta makes great watches! Look carefully again! This time Listen and concentrate!
Yes, I have a few Invicta watches in my collection
There really are several good Quality,well made Invicta Watches that are tastefully desighned ! Many contain the Seiko made NH 35 Movement And some use the Swiss Made Sellita 200 movement! They are priced way belowOther watches with comparable movements and quality! look online and you will find them! It is worth it!
take models before invicta took over.
Not so easy to tell them apart.
Way too much hype for the Glycine brand.
There are a lot of QC issues, the Seconds Hand misses all the indicators. GMT hr tracking goes off all the time. Bracelet does not have half links.
My Pagani Design and Addie drive are of way better quality for one third or less the Glycine cost.
I am not aware of much hype for Glycine. I have not had an issue with any of my Glycine watches. Sorry to hear about the problems with yours.
the shorter minute hand on the left is deal breaker.
Good point
So, the original Glycine had an applied logo and drilled lugs, while the Invicta owned Sub doesn't. It may not seem like a $600 difference, but, it's certainly annoying that Invicta has to take a decent product and cheapify it. Also, the bezel of the Invicta version sounded tinnier on the video. I'll pass.
From what I have read, Glycine would have gone under if not for Invicta purchasing the company. The newest Glycine (Invicta) Combat Sub is still a good value for $320.
Glycine is still operating seperatly from Invicta. Shame Glycine gets so much piss just because Invicta watch group saved them from going bankrupt... ('*_*')
I am thankful that Glycine is still around. I do enjoy their watches.
@@WrongTimeWatch Some of the new models look really nice. For example GL0258. 46 mm is a bit big though...GL0296 is a nice one to, all though I cant find any "offical" information on glycines homepage. About to purchase the GL0171 as we speak.
@@Sirkelsag666 i would really like for them to go smaller and make a 40 mm combat sub.
@@WrongTimeWatch Agreed 38-40 would be nice!
Honestly it got better under invicta
My guess is that Glycine would not be around today if not for Invicta.
Absolutely?
Below the bone = wristwatch/ above = arm watch.
Thanks for the clarification
@@WrongTimeWatch it's my own observation/ joke. Lizard Artist Brain.
Please stop calling it Invicta...
That was for the ease of the video comparison before and after the purchase of Glycine by Invicta.
And your point is what a watch made seven years ago my one company is different the one made mow by Invicta. Gee that's amazing.
Same name, but new owners. From 1 foot away they appear to be the same watch, but upon close inspection nothing is the same.
@@WrongTimeWatch Well done. A mature response to a troll. Thank you for the review.
Robert Sullivan: before you criticize someone, you should first take some English lessons to learn how to properly write your ridiculous remarks.
Imbecile