M1 Carbine to 500yds Practical Accuracy
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While the M1 Carbine is light weight and small "rifle", its no doubt left one of the heaviest imprints on small arms development.
Many still debate on whether one could call the M1 Carbine a PDW, but in reality it did more than just explore a new class of small arms. The M1 Carbine and M1 Garand broke the mold of warfare with bolt action rifles and SMGs. The two firearms directly inspired a new classification of firearms that went to underscore warfare in the 20th and then 21st century... with the Kalashnikov rifles in Soviet Russia.
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I should really expand upon this, Kalashnikov didn't design the 7.62x39, but rather there was an arms development committee charged to design the 7.62x39 in 1943.
Summer 1943, the committee used two rifles and ammunition mainly for research, a captured German Mkb42/STG44 in 7.92x33 and lend-lease U.S. M1 Carbine in 7.62x33 (.30 carbine).
Out of this program eventually came the first version of the M43 cartridge, which was the 7.62x41mm. Subsequently changed in 1946 to 7.62x39mm and designated the new cartridge for developing a new family of small arms, which is where Kalashnikov fits in.
So Kalashnikov did not design the 762x39 (I don't believe I said he did), but the .30 Carbine ABSOLUTELY had a major influence on Kalashnikov's rifle as it was one of the inspiration cartridges for the chambering.
Awesome information
Makes sense that in formulating an intermediate cartridge in the mid-late 1940s', the soviets would look at the only 2 real examples that came before.
Well attributed sir, I think that accurately covers the relationship between the early intermediate ammunition development.
In 1944 Kalashnikov did build prototype of a carbine, that used the original 7,62x41 M43 ammo. He lost than the weapon trial to the Simonov's SKS rifle. It's not mentioned connection between his later AK rifle and him being inspired by M1 Garand design.
When they surplused a bunch of m1 carbine, they, us government, suddenly realized that they give out sbrs because the barrels of rifles at that time were supposed to be 18, not 16in. The government decided to lower the barrel length limit to 16 in to cover their butts.
You're absolutely welcome man. I love the fact that you like to wear clothing appropriate for what you're shooting.
It's MikeB!!!
The larp lives loudly within him
Inland was sorted out more than the Gucci manufacturers. Biggest issue is that they are additive. You can't just have one.
I got a sick pair of boots from your site, thanks!
You're a real one, Mike.
I think Ken Hackathorn said it best in regards to the proliferation of the M1 carbine, it was his generation's AR-15. Their handy working rifle.
Paul Harrell has made similar comments, and it definitely makes sense.
I'll go one step further and suggest that it might've been a better general issue rifle than the M1 Garand. Smaller, lighter cartridge with less recoil; detachable magazines with higher capacity; later on it had full auto capability and wasn't too uncontrollable: very forward thinking for its time.
Having owned an M-1 Carbine, an AR, and carrying an M-16 n the service, I would say, the M-1 carbine would have been my preferred weapon to carry in combat if I had fought in WW2 and Korea. It was light, fast firing, easy to reload, you could carry plenty of ammunition, and it was fairly accurate to the ranges of most combat. My grandad, a WW2 vet, carried one and also compared it to my AR. Add in the full auto capability of the later M-2 and it would have been a done deal.
It’s a perfect light recon/patrol rifle . I read one account from a guy who fought in Burma, and he was a national match marksman. He always took a carbine with him on patrol or for close ambush. My great uncle carried one in Italy.
They're a handy ranch rifle to have on a quad or on a saddle
My 92 year old father carried a "m2"carbine in Korea. I gave him a m1 about 10 years ago. It was like a reunion with an old friend. He gave it back due to failing eyesight. He loved this weapon and claims he would have died without it. Thanks for making this video. Also he claims it was lethal and guys who claimed otherwise were crappy shots.
My favorite myths/lore about the M1 carbine is them not being able to penetrate German winter coats because of the material, but yet 45 out of a Thompson was never said to have any issues with that lol. Germans also loved to capture and use these things during the war for a multitude of reasons. Makes sense as to why they ended up using them post war after the fact. Great urban fighting firearm. (Edit: see comment below for the specifics of Germans using M1 carbines, I’ll be posting links to info later)
Genuinely impressed with it getting hits at 300+ yards though great video
I think there were similar stories from the Korean war too, and they of course ended with the .45 acp being the elephant killer lol
300+? 350y already gave him a hard time!
French also liked them during ww2 and was there rifle just after ww2
What is your source for claiming the Germans loved to use these? I’ve heard it before but I’ve only seen them in the staged photos of Kampfgruppe Hansen from December 1944.
@@fridrekr7510 I mean its semi auto, lighter, how is it not superior to the typical kar98k? Just makes sense.
I got my first M1 carbine at age 17, in 1990, for $150.
I remember those days. In the 80s m1 carbine. 125.00. Sks 79.00, Mosin nagant m44 or 91 40 to 80 dollars. Usa .223 3.00 bucks. 9mm 6.50 box of 50. I wish I had a rime machine.
Yep.
I remember several friends getting sks brand new packed in grease for $100!
Rime machines are great, to be sure.
One of the other fun things I like about the M1 Carbine is that through its surplus sale in C&R program, it caused the NFA to move minimum barrel lengths back to 16in from 18in.
Lol, so anything under a m16 was considered short barrel in initial drafts?
@@CtrlAltRetreat Ian did a really good job covering this topic, so I defer to the expert from Tucson. He starts talking about it around the 6 min mark. ruclips.net/video/lsE0naVApPU/видео.htmlsi=NGl6EBkX7lCeWAcL
The M16 has a 20” barrel. The 18” minimum length was probably either an arbitrary number to match the short barreled shotgun length of 18”, and both were probably based on popular carbines that were around at the time such as the Winchester lever action rifles and carbines. The most common commercial short rifles had 18” or 19” barrels.
@@jonathanbirkeland1085 you're probably right. I just checked my win94 and it's running a 18"
Forgotten weapons has a video talking about this. M1 carbines were being surplussed and it wasn't until many tens or hundreds of thousands of rifles were in the public domain that they realized were technically all SBRs. The government had some common sense and updated the definition of SBR to reduce barrel length and decriminalization all the Carbines in circulation.
The M1 Carbine was well thought of in British service. It was the issue weapon of the SAS late war and used by the SBS. It was also issued in limited numbers in the Far East and used by British Airborne troops in the Med. Post war it was a popular weapon when available. I served with some experienced people who had used it who thought it an excellent weapon.
WW2 British sniper and instructor Capt. Shore, who wrote "With British Snipers to the Reich", considered the M1 Carbine the ideal emergency CQB weapon for the spotter to carry. And many of his fellow snipers agreed. They figured it was good for fast accurate head or body shots out to 200m, it was lighter and faster shooting and reloading than a standard Lee Enfield rifle, and had more power and accuracy than the other choices - the Sten or Thompson SMGs. Perfect for situations where enemy squads were closing in on the sniper team and trying to rush them.
My grandad a SeaBee in WW II carried one in all three of the islands he fought on (Guam, Layte, and Okinawa). He was wounded three times. Anyway super nice to see this carbine on your channel.
My grandfather was an aviation machinist mate on the Marianas and he said the seabees saved their ass a few times, he had a lot of respect for them , and told me he would be dead if it weren't for them . He fixed corsairs on the flight line and got strafed almost daily . Lost some good friends .
Mine was an army artilleryman in New Guinea and the Philippines and carried one as well. I'm not sure if he ever fired it in anger or not as he never really was willing to talk about the war before he passed away.
There are Tons of Left over M-1 and M-2 Paratrooper Carbines in the PHILIPPINES..
carried by G.I.s from the Liberation of the Philippines in 1944.
It is safe to assume that 99.9% of the M-l carbines in the PHILIPPINES are of WW2-Vintage.
My dad was stationed on Guadalcanal 1943-44 Army AAA unit. He spoke highly of the M1 Carbine and was issued one as his duty weapon while in the Solomons.
My grandfather was also a SeaBee liberating Guam with a M1 Carbine (maybe they knew each other). I still have it.
I regret not buying an M1 carbine but at the time they were $1k+. That was the same price as a decently clean and matching M1 rifle
I bought one when they were $300. I should have bought 10 or more.
Surely you can get one for under 1k. That is so high
@@007NateNastythese days they go for even more
@@007NateNastynot many are for sale locally except for Fudds at gunshows who “know what they have.” 😒
@@007NateNastyany usgi M1 carbine for $900 is going to be a piece of junk
I would love you guys to rerun the course with the later style adjustable sight and see if the results improve in any significant way. I’d also like to see Josh run one of his courses with the carbine, since those would be more analogous to the type of action it was meant to perform in instead of long-range.
@ultrablue2 Even the adjustable rear sight like mine has is only up to 300 yards. I doubt its going to make that big of a difference from the fixed original rear sight. Now if you put a small 4x scope on it, it will do better because the scope helps bring the bullet groups in better. The problem with the scope I had on mine at one time was the scope mount kept deflecting/kicking hot brass down on my shooting hand. So I went back to the irons sights that I prefer better anyway. I have used it to hunt deer with using soft point ammo. Its effective accurate range is still about 250 yards. Keep it within its range limitations and it will do the job.
@@rbm6184 : I don’t disagree, but it would still be interesting to see.
@@ultrablue2 Get to it then bubba. Be sure to post your results on line because NO ONE CARES.
Can you use M1 carbines in USPSA PCC matches? I wanna use mine but my local USPSA representative told me they aren't and never were!
You absolutely went well beyond the limits of the M1.
Good shooting, good spotting.
Well done.
Yep if Henry can't hit it, "IT" can't be hit.
I was 13 when I purchased my first 2 M1 carbines. There was a wood barrel full of them at the local hardware store with a sign "25.00 ea. Your choice". I got two of them and 500 rds of ammo for $65.00 out the door. 60 years later I still have both, one Winchester and one Postal Meter.
I got a later pattern M1 Carbine that was imported out of South Korea. Picked it up at a gun show a few years ago for $900 (it came with a 15 rounder, a 30 rounder and 300 rounds of ammo). It’s fairly accurate despite its age, but I personally couldn’t get it to hit passed 300. I was amazed to see you guys make hits at 400. That was some damn fine shooting Henry!
The rear sight was designed for the 45acp, there are videos out there about that.
My dad served in Patton's third army. He got in late as he was trained on anti-aircraft systems that by the time of the invasion were not necessary. He was retrained in radio communications and would ride around in the jeeps with officers, often coordinating artillery strikes. He carried an M1 carbine. There wasn't much about his experience he talked about until close to his death, he only had positive things to say about his m1 carbine, many of the other things he experienced not so much.
Late 90's early 2000's I was issued a M1 Carbine as a volunteer Police officer in Israel. Had the curved mags and got myself a modern poly furniture with a folding stock (much like a Galil or FAL). Got a simple scope on PIC rail zeroed for 50 meters and this was my long gun for my off road / ATV unit as well as urban patrols and road stops and barricades.
There's a technique I used to use when I would shoot longer range (50-100yds) with a red Ryder BB gun that could have been helpful here. You align the rear sight with the center of the base of the front sight (raising the front sight up and out of the groove and then aim with just st the tip of the front sight. It gets additional elevation.
I believe you might have the very common problem of a tight spot in the bore where the barrel is threaded into the receiver. This can be lapped out and will frequently make a no-foolin' shooter out of a so-so Carbine. My Inland and Underwood Carbines will both stay on an "E" silhouette at 300 yds, prone/bipod, while shooting fairly rapidly. I have installed them in the Choate fixed stock, with the Ultimak forward rail and simple red dots in QD mounts, junked the bayonet mounts, polished all the friction surfaces in the lockwork, gave them fresh spring kits, replaced the rear sights with Williams 5Ds, and put sling swivel studs at the bottom centerline where they belong. Being able to use a bipod or a real high-power type shooting sling gives the Carbine a whole new lease on long-range work. The Williams sights allow me to dial way in excess of the issue sights' elevation. I generally keep the red dots zeroed at 100 yd and the irons at 200. These are our rural living, front- and back-door guns.
My Uncle Verne walked across North Africa, Sicily, then France and Germany carrying an M1 carbine and a .45-he survived the war when many didn't.
When I watch the older Practical Accuracy videos I feel so cheated because some of them don’t have the 30 plus minutes of debrief conversation.
Another great video guys!
loved hearing the reference to Paul Harrell and his meat targets ........love it
My dad was trained and carried one in the USAF during Vietnam. He bought one for me in the late 90’s as my second milsurp (IBM receiver and barrel). I love shooting it in IDPA matches and will be the first center fire my youngest shoots and is passed down.
I have watched every episode of practical accuracy. This achievement, with that trajectory and those sights, is probably the most impressive yet.
This video put a huge smile on my face. I think it performed well for what it is. Hope I see more “PDW” type weapons on the 500 yard course. Especially 5.7x28 since it’s becoming more popular recently
As great as that would be, I really don't think there'd be enough energy to make the hits visible at those ranges. If you go and watch some of the .223 or 5.45mm guns they've shot, the spotting becomes a real challenge, and that'll be even worse for a pistol caliber.
I'd still love them to give it a go though
@@peteg22397 5.7 and m1 carbine have similar trajectories. While the 30 carbine has more energy, modern 5.7 guns tend to be way way more accurate. So I think it would be a interesting comparison
Lol
"5.7 has a similar trajectory to 30 carbine", stop the cap, bro.
@@andreivaldez2929 Run a ballistic calculator and see for yourself
My dad's weapon of choice, he was in signals and did not need a bigger shooting iron for his business at hand. He said it was good enough to keep the enemies head down while he and his driver could get away.
I was a rural North Carolina Deputy Sheriff in the early 1980’s and we were not issued rifles. We only had three Deputies covering a 600 square mile county. We were allowed to carry our own rifles and for years I carried an Inland 30 cal and never felt outgunned. 30 round mag in weapon with two 15 rounds on butt stock! This backed up my S&W Model 586 .357 with 18 rounds and Remington 870!
Wise choice, much more powerful than the average person would assume.
Our local town constable carried a 357 revolver and a lever action 357 carbine so he only needed one type of ammo. He was once involved in a shootout with a bank robber who had an SKS. Our local cop had a Bronze Star from Vietnam and when asked whether he was scared during the shootout he replied "it's not the first time I've been shot at by one of those."
The sheer numbers produced during WWII is impressive. It is allowed at indoor pistol range and is fun to take once in a while.
Audie Murphy’s weapon of choice. Great review, Henry!
The M1 carbine was the cool gun of my youth, along with perhaps a Winchester 94 or Marlin 336 lever action. I watch a lot of WW2 combat footage and, though the M1 carbine was supposedly a 2nd line gun, I see numerous frontline infantry guys carrying them.
In the Netherlands it's still a very popular rifle alongside the Garand to have, we've used them due to the huge amount of Allied surplus we had after the war. Police kept using them uo until their replacement by the MP5.
How are the laws regarding semi autos over there? I know Europe is a hodge podge of different laws on guns
I'm also curious as to what the laws are like over there with autoloading rifles like the M1 Carbine.
That run is only a 'failure' if Henry can outshoot it with an M1911A1.
Great video, great little gun. The regret of not buying one when they were well under $1k will never subside.
No, it really is a failure. The enemy doesn't care if your gun is or isn't more effective than a 1911. If you can't hit then and they can hit you, you're f*cked.
An underappreciated rifle.
Love the original M1 carbine setup like you have here, same way I have my 1943 underwood set up. You can see all the reason they made the improvements with the lever safety instead of crossbolt, the adjustable rear sight instead of two aperture, the bayonet lug instead of not mounting a knife to your rifle, etc. but having it in this configuration is so simple and practical.
ALWAYS so incredibly informative. I love this format. The incredibly entertaining marksmanship of Henry, followed by a highly engaging and informative history lesson. Love you guys.
I think this performance really does explain some of the rumors that originated from Korea. Specifically, the winter coat thing. Yeah, it's understood today that the troops weren't having trouble penetrating the heavy wool coats of Chinese soldiers. They were simply missing the target. However, I really think this video explains WHY they were missing the target with enough frequency to generate rumors of that sort.
That, and combat is very fast and confusing. People think they see things that didn't really happen.
Considering they also were firing in the dark, without flash suppressors on most of their weapons, with irons, they may as well be firing at moving blobs past 50 meters instead of individual targets unless artillery was blasting off star shells regularly.
@@Verdha603 yup. That is the very reason why most infantry combat takes place inside 150m. Beyond that, it's just really hard to see your targets.
PLUS, the full-auto M2s are very hard to control and troops used FA a lot.
As an Xennial whose generation and younger typically goes to the AR15 and it’s platform (and I like the AR15), I absolutely love the M1 Carbine and carry it as an outdoor, woods and vehicle carbine all the time over my AR15, my 870 police magnum shotgun or 1873 .44 WCF carbine. It’s light, easy to handle, not bulky, slings over you easy, shoots great, more than sufficient power for what’s called for and feels like a part of your arm. I believe the commentary in this video hits the nail on the head. Great shooting too
If I could choose a weapon to use in WW2, it'd be an M1 Carbine.
it was one of the best balanced combat rifles but everyone focuses on the STG44 instead.
@@9HoleReviewsWell the M1 Carbine is nice but it is clearly not as influential as the MP44 was. Select fire, magazine size and way more modern "design" are a few of its advantages. As a PDW the M1 Carbine really shines. But those are just my 2 cents.
Thompson SMG for me
@@9HoleReviews
And rightfully so though
PPSH41 or PPS43 or MP40 for me... stamped endgame smg
I really enjoy this channel, thanks guys and the team for quality content. I love you guys scaring the crap out of the target at range LOL what a great run.
My first centerfire semi was grandpas M1 carbine bought for $25 in 1960. It really cemented my enjoyment with military arms. Collected them for a while. Super fun, still have a Postal Meter and lots of 1969 USGI Lake City to feed it.
I have been a M1 carbine owner for years. My favorite overall weapon by far. This is hands down the best and most comprehensive information on the M1 carbine that I have seen. Great Video!
The top range setting on a carbine with the adjustable sight is 300 yards, dependent on the 100 yard setting being correct on target.
this is my favorite rifle. i cant hit anything beyond 250. with iron sites, but it is so nice to shoot. Your analysis of the reason for deployment of the M1 Carbine is spot on Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work. By the way I think some of the misses were actually HITS.
This is the first video I selected to watch on this channel. Good shooting, good info, and a good review of the M1 Carbine.
My buddy has an m1 carbine and I love it. It’s a handy little rifle especially in its day. Great shooter and I’d love to have one some day. Great video as always
3:25 I love how, if watching closely, you can actually see that 110gr FMJ arc through the air and impact near the lower head of the target. Always a pleasure to see such things.
I adore the M1 Carbine, but I understand its limitations. With modern ammunition (Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, etc), the War Baby is still a surprisingly viable defensive carbine within 150 yards and makes a wonderful home defense carbine.
I love all of your videos, and this one is right up there among my favorites. I've long been a fan of the M1 carbine and its "wimpy and underpowered" cartridge. Truly a super innovative and influential design. Well done, guys.
That vidio was absolutly. Spot on...yoau guy's were fantastic !!!...keep up the good work !!!...you and Henry gave the carbine what it has always deserved !!
Great video and pretty good shooting, too! I have owned M1 Carbine for over fifteen years and absolutely 💯 love it. I never imagined shooting it beyond 100 yards. Through the years, I have modified it little by little. I added a butt pad to length the length of pull and add a rail system to place a red dot system. For me, it is very accurate and enjoyable to shoot. Ammo has gotten pricey for it. I now have it very close and use it for home defense. Thank you all for sharing.
Excellent review! You showed and talked about what the M1 could do and what it couldn't do, because it was never intended to replace a RIFLE such as the M1 Garand. It was intended (as you pointed out) to be a personal defense weapon in the same niche as a pistol, but more effective. Technically, it might also be called an "assault rifle/Sturmgewehr" that predated the German rifles as it was originally designed with a full auto capability though that wasn't actually fielded until later in the war. But it was an intermediate cartridge in a select-fire, detachable magazine fed weapon. Again, you did an excellent job. If you want to have fun though, how about doing the same course with the upgraded Carbine that was standard in Korea and Vietnam with an adjustable rear sight. My belief is that it will be easier for Henry, though the ammo and its standard of accuracy will probably still result in rounds all around the target with no difference in point of aim.
It was fielded to replace pistols so …
Sorry to disagree, the original requirement was for semi or select fire but that was dropped before the carbine went into production. The M2 and the conversion kit were fielded late in the war.
I wish I bought one of these from the Sears catalog when I was a kid. Also I was impressed with the consistency of hits at 150 -250. Try that with a 1911 or a Thompson - which is what it should be compared with as opposed to a Garand or AK.
Thanks, been wanting to see this for a while. Big fan of this rifle.
I love all the videos you guys make. This one by far was the most optimistic. Never thought anyone would have the idea to take an M1 carbine out to 500yds😂
Those people are saying it wouldn't penetrate Chinese clothing just didn't want to admit they were completely missing their target
Bingo. Then they blame the gun.
I’ve shot an M1 carbine that was given to me for an impromptu match. In practical terms anything over 150m is fairly tough. In my case anyway, if someone is familiar with their particular M1 probably 200. Keep in mind Henry is very skilled and shooting fully supported. It’s a handy little carbine.
Big fan of the Carbine. Loved watching your range work with the War Baby! You did a great job lobbing those rounds in with a rifle that wasn’t intended to do so. Excellent video guys!
I have been waiting for this one! Thanks.
I have a Winchester m1 carbine, and words can't describe how awesome this little rifle is. Side note I paid 700 for it around 6 years ago.
By coincidence Bloke on the Range and Ian tried to debunk the penetration myth recently. Anyway great video and it always just looks such a dinky gun! Keep up the great work.
Not a coincidence at all. These guys coordinate this stuff.
I would like to see that. Was it on Ian's or Bloke's channel? Do you know the title of the video and release date?
Never mind. I just found it. Thanks for mentioning it.
I waited for this video so long always wanted to see what it can do! Greetings from austria wonderful video!
Love it as always. Thanks
Way cool. I'd be interested to see any improvements using the later, elevation-adjustable rear sight.
My Grandpa did the Island Hopping & after the War he said NO ONE wanted the Thompson or M1 Carbine.
He'd tell us the Thompson was too heavy with low power & the M1 Carbine was too weak to rely on, M1 Garand was the only pick for his job, he said.
God Bless our Troops 🇺🇲
Weird given how germans would do everything they could to steal one. The enemy respected the m1 more than the soldiers holding it.
Respect to your grandpa for his service
M1 carbine is clearly more than adequate to do the intended job. Numerous test have shown that if it did not kill your woolen clothed man at 200 yards, it was because you missed. An easy thing to do with just iron sights.
Pick up a copy of "Shots Fired in Anger: A Rifleman's Eye View of the Activities on the Island of Guadalcanal" by by John B. George . It's available in hard cover, paperback, and Kindle and can be found online.
FWIW, my father landed in Europe in January 1944 and carried one but he only used as a tent pole so he said. His brother landed at Utah Beach on D-Day +1 carrying a mine detector and a carbine and was in Bastogne.
My grandfather was 82nd field artillery out of Ft Bliss and got himself a 45acp Reising submachine gun that he carried from the battle of Los Negros Island to Leyte and fighting through the mountains to joining the Flying Column to Manila and rescue of the POW camp. Only bad thing he ever said about it was that it rusted easily and so he Shellaced it. In the flying column said they passed Japs going the other way in vehicles and just sprayed them down without slowing. Also told me guys with bolt guns were not wanted only automatics. Wish I'd have asked if any Jap machine guns were used by them
My grandfather spent 38 months in the Pacific with the 27th Infantry as a combat engineer. I have a lots of pics from him on the islands during the war and there's not a weapon to be seen in any of them. He mostly operated bulldozers clearing beaches and building airstrips. Sometimes you can see an M1 Garand in a scabbard mount on a bulldozer, but that's it for weapons. He never talked about carrying a weapon but did talk about training with the M1 Garand during basic training.
My grandfather was in an AA half track in saipan and this is what he carried thanks for highlighting this rifle on your channel
A kid friend of mine had and still does have one of these, original M1 .30 cal. Carbine and I must say, back in the late 80's-1990, I was VERY impressed by the general performance of these gems. His dad picked it up off a WW2 vet that was a family member years before he gave it to my buddy. I think he may have had a few 20 rd. mags for it in addition to a pile of 'regular' 15 rd. mags. That thing could empty a mag in half-a-shake of a lambs tail too! Solid unit but even then it was pricey to plink with as teenagers roaming South Florida's swamps on dirtbikes, ATC's and a new Quadrunner or 2 LOL. LOVED your opinions, info and nostalgia on it. FWIW, my buddy STILL has it in his case to this day! Thanks for a fun and QUITE informative piece on a very impressive, important piece of 30 caliber history! Too bad no one made a .44mag version of this gem of history. I'm subbed now too!
Id Like to see this done again with the updated rear sight.
Would like to see this again but with the adjustable rear sight.
This carbine was designed to replace the 1911 for rear echelon troops as shooting this is easier than a handgun, and training w fairly limited. Now, the cartridge was designed to penetrate a German helmet at 300yds
"This carbine was designed to replace the 1911 for rear echelon troops "
-No, it was not
@@virgilhilts3924oh yes it was according to books about the M1 Carbine in my family’s collection.
@@johnw4999
No it wasn't according to the US ARMY Light Rifle Program proposal and documentation which actually created the Carbine.
Just as with the "My granpappy said 30 Carbine bullets bounced off dem Chinese coats"... Educate yourself with facts and stop repeating BS.
@@virgilhilts3924proposal is just that, a proposal, it’s not an awarded contract, doctrine etc. The Chinese coat myth is just that, a myth.
@@johnw4999
"proposal is just that, a proposal, it’s not an awarded contract, doctrine etc"
-Everything you just stated is utterly nonsensicle and irrelevant to the point
-The LRP is what created the Carbine
-The LRP proposal stated the purpose for the Carbines creation
-Which was NOT to replace the pistol
-It was to create a light, compact rifle for combat optimized for 0-300 yards, magazine fed, select fire
-Pistols are not mentioned a single time in any of the proposals or the LRP itself
-Yet its intended purpose is... combat
"The Chinese coat myth is just that, a myth."
-Just as it is a myth that the Carbine was created to replace pistols for clerks and cooks... dErP
Again, educate yourself by reading the US ARMY LRP documentation and stop repeating BS
Awesome to finally see this on the course. I’ll be a member of the what if brigade and say that if you had used a carbine with the later enhancements such as the elevation adjustable rear sight and a properly tensioned barrel in a type two or later barrel band you’d have cleaned up at least to 400 since your holdovers wouldn’t have been so drastic and knowing that carbines with the type one barrel band can have a wandering zero from the barrel literally just bouncing around with every shot up front. Even a tug on the sling on one of those changes the zero. The later bands actually clamp the barrel instead of just forming a loose ring around it.
Thanks fella’s so much for this review !
It’s the most interesting review you’ve done !
Probably ever ! No one has ever done anything close to this kind of review with the .30 carbine. Y’all done an awesome job. I’m a Korean War fanatic. * My grandad fought with the 187th Abn RCT & was KIA 3/26/51 on hill 228 3 days after the 2nd & final Combat Jump of the war. He was awarded the DSC posthumously for his actions that day armed with a carbine (M2).
Msgt
Clarence Ames Peterson
187th Abn RCT.
3rd bn , i co.
2nd plt.
Read about his Bravery in the best book ever written on the Korean War.
Eye witness accounts of many acts of heroism during the most difficult war we’ve ever fought .
Author :Bowden
“Striking Back” - Combat in Korea.
GOD , I’m proud of him!
( he was also a 17th Abn trooper in WW2 fought at the Bulge. Taken POW Jan ‘45.
Thanks fella’s. Great job.
* Maybe try another test with a later issue adjustable rear sight version. Thanks again guys! I’ll watch this video until I can recite it. Lol
You said it, you now need to put the meat target and new & improved fleece bullet stop at each distance, and see how effective 30 carbine is
Edit: Maybe a test with thick layers of frozen wool at 300yds, see if the layered ice can slow the projectile enough for the wool to catch it? And a test of freezing the cartridges themselves, see if they loose velocity in the cold?
I don't think the Texas winters are cold enough to keep the wool frozen :( although that would be interesting
Already been done and debunked.
@@armynurseboy I gotta see that, those tests are just fun videos. Channel name?
@@secondamendment1927do a RUclips search. It's been done multiple times by multiple channels.
@@secondamendment1927Paul Harrell
The M2 select fire version had a high rate of fire causing most soldiers in the Korean war to miss their targets. Also a lot of engagement were across hilly and mountain terrain. Also a lot of the ammo had not been properly stored and was from WWII and had been weakened. My Uncles and father were vets of both wars and I remember them saying that you would see Garands and Thompson and grease guns laying around but never a carbine. Great video!
Great point on the M2 rate of fire. The M2 worked better in short bursts and with the muzzle brake (attached around the front site). I shot one with a cut-down barrel (advisor?) and conical flash hider and it didn't seem to rise as much as the regular barrel.
M2 Carbine is best used on semi mode most of the time
OK! I just would like to say I do so enjoy the content you put out. I personally love WWII weaponry. I own three M1 Carbines and love to shoot them. The story of this particular firearm is amazing in and of itself. I am probably one of your older followers (62) but feel your content is solid and I appreciate the banter you have with each other and your guests. Good luck and good health to you both!
really appreciate the comment sir, the M1 Carbine is absolutely one of the gems in my collection, and i love taking it out!
You guys made my day, I have 2 M1 Carbine shooters, an M1A1 Inland and a Quality Hardware, rebuilt and used regularly with modern hand loads, 2,000 FPS 110 grain FMJ and soft points. FUN, FUN, FUN! Plenty for personal protection and accuracy to 200 yards.
Very entertaining, but this brought a thought to mind. Would it be possible for you to do a side by side comparison of the M1 carbine against the .351 Win. Self Loading carbine.
The WSL's have much more recoil, because they're blowback-operated.
Having fired both I understand that. What I wanted to see is how they stacked up head to head on the range.@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
Some of the comments from Korea about the Carbine not being able to punch through the Chinese heavy coats was likely due to the ammo having come from WW2 storage where it was being made in bulk and stored in the South Pacific where it was being used. Then years later it's being subjected to -30F temperatures where some of it just didn't provide normal velocities. I believe the men who said it had trouble penetrating but it's not because the cartridge is unable...it was because THOSE cartridges were unable due to storage and temperatures which degraded their performance.
Then how would the action of the m1 carbine cycle if the rounds were getting such low velocity that they were stopped by a wool coat, why wouldnt the biggest complaint about the gun being the fact that it wouldn't cycle, and how come 30-06 ammo and 45 ACP ammo that was probably stored right next to it not affected in the same way
No. It was likely due to poor marksmanship (ie missed completely) and then blaming the rifle.
And just missing... watch Forgotten weapons/bloke on the range "gun myths 2.0"
My father was Airborne in the ‘50s and loved the M1 Carbine: he even bought me a 10-22 as my first gun and may have made the comparison you did early in the video.
Thanks for your insightful video.
Your evaluation of the Carbine was informative but I really enjoyed the conversation between you both, batting your thoughts back and forth was a nice way of ending your video. My Pop entering the Normandy invasion on D-Day then through Europe carried the Carbine an M-1 rifle and finally a jeep driver for a lieutenant he carried a Thompson. ( I am damm proud of him ) because of our love of firearms I'm lucky enough to own all three my last one being the Model 1928 Thompson. I to enjoy shooting the Carbine but the M-2 Carbine is pure fun.Will be watching your channel.
excellent video guys. Thank you.
Thank you for such a great showcase of showing what that little guy can do
I needed this today.
OK you guys are fun. Great video, wanted an M1 Carbine since I was 13, bought a new Iver Johnson unit in the 80's for like 335 bucks, still have it and love it.
holy crap that's affordable!
Thank you for all that you do.
Great video, as always
My great uncle was a WWII vet and loved his carbine. one of the "tweaks" he told me about was filing a V Notch into the top of the peep sight as an open rear for some additional range and faster close in target acquisition.
Nicely done. Thanks.
I hit a torso sized target at 500 yards by holding over 3 target sizes. Like calling in mortar fire. Good job Henry!
Excellent review
Great vid, thank you!
Great video. Thank you.
I've rewatched this episode probably 6 times now and every time I enjoy it more and more. The m1 carbine is something of a personal favorite gun for myself as I love the history and concept behind it endlessly. So seeing it fail the course while not unexpected I want to see it make a comeback someday maybe in a special video about the intended use for the M1 carbine or maybe see how the M1 carbine performs in a PDW role as it can in some technicality perform as a PDW by modern standers. Even more than that I wonder had the M1 Carbine even been outfitted with a scope of any sort would it be able to succeed in practical accuracy course. sadly from my research no scopes were ever designed for the M1 Carbine so we will never know.
Fantastic Video!
My most recent birthday present to myself was a simple blowback 9mm repro made by Chiappa. RIDICULOUSLY fun plinker
Chris Baker’s video from Lucky Gunner was my inspiration to get an M1 carbine.
Lucked out on a all original parts 1943 inland in great shape. Made it into a near carbon copy of Chris Baker’s setup. It’s one of my favorite guns to shoot.
A friend of mine and myself went to our Gun Club w/ 2 original WW-2 M-1 Carbines. It was Wintertime and 2 degrees Fahrenheit outdoors on the Rifle Range both of us experienced continued jams with our carbines.
Just found your channel and subbed. I like your sense of humor.
I love the wartime M1 carbines. So many makers and variants to collect plus many more different mag makers for collecting 😂. I bought my first a 4-44 Underwood at a flea market for 500 bucks and still have it.
Great video and shooting! The WWII stuff is my favorite and you guys are very thorough and informative. One correction for you - you have the hits and misses reversed on the last two columns of your analysis page.
Great video and discussion as always. I have a M1 configured with the “L” rear sight, like the one you used.
I think it would be interesting to see if the later re arsenal modified rifles with the adjustable sights perform this course of fire better.
I served in combat in Vietnam 1967 through 1969. In 1968, I inherited a M2A2 version of the M2 Carbine. It had adjustable rear sights, adjustable for Windage on the rear sight. It had a wire shoulder stock, that could be folded into the stock. Even with this setup, the rifle was accurate out to 500 yards, I could get hits at 600 yards (but not dependable). As for FA use, it was easy to manage. It was also deadly on the VC and NVA. I liked it because it was lite, and I could still carry 300 rounds. I also liked the sound that it made. Different from an AK and 5.56 CAR.
My M1 carbine is my favorite rifle to take to my local pistol range and just ring steel it’s so lightweight and just points so well I love it.
Around my neck of the woods, the M1 Carbine was highly popular with the troops issued with them during the Malayan Emergency, until the SLR was issued. Plantation owners, in particular, loved them, which is not surprising as they were issued with Stens before M1s became available.