The Toll of Fame: The Utau Producer Who Erased His Own Name
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- If you’re good at something does that mean you should do it?
Today I take a look at the rise and fall of Utau’s most significant producers. A creator whose name had carefully been erased from the vocaloid/utau history books...until now.
A special thanks to the people in my life who supported me while making this, probably would've never gotten done without them. And for everyone’s patience along the way.
Introduction: 0:00
A Scene Where no Boundaries are Possible: 2:38
More than Just a Producer: 4:13
Music that Told a Story: 8:22
The Year Everything Fell Apart: 15:06
The Only Option Left: 18:10
Reflection: 20:50
A profession for the Insane (conclusion): 23:12
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Hey folks,
The reception so far has been overwhelming positivity and I can't thank you enough truly...especially after being gone for so long.
This video was a massive challenge to put together and I know everyone is not going to happy with it. Please be respectful of other's opinions on the topic as that was a large part of this video. Promise not to be gone as long for the next video! Thanks for warm welcome back love y'all!
Ubnub
Happy to see that your fine. I got concerned after not hearing from you after like a year, but it seems like I was being a little too paranoid😅 I seriously can't thank you enough for making this video, and all your other videos. Watching them makes me look differently upon the world, and other problems I could never imagine to be in. Love ya!👌❤️ (not in a weird way)
WELCOME BACK KING
welcome backk
@ubnubmaster why would you release a video on a person that does not want to be found, if this video gets popular then you REALLY are going against their wishes, they do not want their stuff to be found or to be popular, they are still around to this day with a tight knit group of people, less than 1 thousand, making many great music tracks, I think if this video gets more than 100k, even 50k is too much I would say, then I think it would be wise to delete this video in respect of "XX'"s wishes.
Also, I want to thank you because this video made me thinks deeply about a lot of things. And although K and the community might get angry about it, I think this as a case of the historical impact of vocaloid/utau in internet culture is a very interesting one and should be visited.
Thanks for the hard work and made my horizon go wider.
I can't help but feel a bit weird when the creator's boundaries are blatantly disrespected like with this story. There's nuance out the wazoo, but that just makes it even stranger to comprehend. Ahh, the internet... terrifying!
go eat some tasty fish
@@MsZsc ?
go eat some
@@MsZsc do u eat tasty fish!!
It seems he’s the anti-Wowaka; while wowaka thought that he as a producer was taking a backseat to the idol personas, this producer would have probably preferred that.
Yeah… if they had switched places, they would have been happier.
Azari is my personal favourite "no name producer", he does go by Azari everywhere else but his RUclips channel and videos have no titles
i like azari too, and also x0o0x
me too!
Azari's Casino is a banger
The description did say who he was tho along with name titles and such
I love azari :DD
That message at the end hit me incredibly hard. Attention and legacy can both be truly terrifying things to grapple with as people, and I feel like I've been left with a lot to think about and consider for myself. Thank you so much for making such incredible videos like this, it really is an honor to have you back. You're such an inspiration to me.
yo thank you for commenting, just checked your channel, very nice content it seems, i have a lot to sit through when i'm bored now.
"If you can live your life without an audience - you should do it."
A very intriguing story. While I have listened to one of those unnamed songs before, I never gave much thought to the whole ordeal. Crazy how much food for thought these songs can provide~
I love the K-san community dearly and have nothing but admiration for their dedication and creativity. I hope you're not getting too many angry comments.
Made it knowing full well what might happen! I love the community just as much too and it was hard to put this out because of that factor tbh. Thanks for watching Ratzfourtyfour!
The story of an artist who didn't want to be recognized at large and disappear. I hope he's doing fine wherever he is, but the ending says what everyone at this point knows: the moment you make something public you must be aware that'll get in the spotlight even if it is a small and barely luminous one. And even if you regret this decision later on like a civilization you will also left some ruins and an impact, that's one of the reasons the internet is known as humanity's great archive
*I KNOW THE TRUTH YOU ARE HIDING...*
@@Kirbyfan45how is ur text so large
@@nissnynass just a lot these *
I just hope they're doing okay. One of my favorite artists died during a Japanese earthquake in the early 2000's and to this day, I've never forgotten about them.
I know I'm replying very late to this comment, but I wish to give you my sincerest condolences. Losing your favourite artist, even if you never knew them personally, can be extremely devestating.
As for a more personal story about K-san; I've known about K-san since little time after the Rain album got released. I was introduced to it by some who was, at the time, my closest and truest friend, and still who I consider to hold that title. She was my everything and at the time I couldn't envision a world without her in it... But that time had to come, and now the world without her exists, since a bit over 3 years ago. I still listen to K-san and their fans' music to remember her.
Music is something that has the power to connect us all, it goes over language or geographic barriers. My favourite music was in English long before I could speak it. Music is truly magical, and many music artists don't know just how much they are changing people's lives that they will never get to meet. It might just be the one universal language we all share, but with each our own interpretations of it. The stories it can tell even without words is something nothing else can quite capture.
I apologize for this comment maybe dragging on too long. These are simply thoughts I've had for some years now with no real place to share them. I hope you are doing well and will continue to do so.
Even after watching the entire video and thinking on it for a while, I still don’t understand why this creator was so intensely against any knowledge of him and his work existing. I get that fame is a double edged sword and I wouldn’t want people gathering outside my home with cameras or dissecting my every word online, but I doubt that would have happened to this person anyway. It almost seems like he didn’t even want people to become aware of his work, let alone have a positive opinion of it. You can’t just put something out for public view and then be surprised that the public saw it. It’s the epitome of the surprised Pikachu meme. I don’t understand it, I don’t agree with it, but I still hope this creator has a good and happy life despite whatever he’s had to deal with. Everybody deserves happiness, whether or not we understand them.
Yeah like if he didn't want to be noticed, maybe don't make such high quality work. It's like when Markiplier expected people to not reupload Unus Annus, it's kind of naïve to me for someone to expect people to respect that kind of wish. When people really like something, they'll do everything they can to remember/preserve it.
Yeah, it feels weird that you would put out something in public for other people to experience…and then destroy what you can to prevent people from experiencing it?
I personally wouldn't understimate the power of internet doxxing & obsessive stalkers…
@@connorbeith3232 But the whole point of Unus Annus was that everything comes to an end, that you "had the be there"
Asking people to not reupload it isnt that bad, they at least let people upload compilations and animated works. They never expected people to not give them attention, just dont reupload videos. They also know they cant fully control people, they just ask kindly. They werent naïve, they fully know how people are since they have most definitely dealt with reuploaders.
Also, people have preserved Unus Annus's legacy, animations, edits, artworks, and so on still exist.
I feel like it’s not that he was surprised people saw it, but that maybe he decided he just didn’t want people to see it anymore, whether he didn’t like it anymore, or he was tired of having to think about it. Maybe he didn’t like the idea of so many people knowing about him. He wasn’t in a good place and maybe thought getting rid of it all would help
"The moment you put your work to the public, it's not yours anymore"
I kinda understand what it mean. At first you put your work to the public because you enjoy making it. But as slowly they became more known, your identities, your life slowly became more entangled with it. Suddenly part of yourself, your history became a well-known public knowledge. For a private person, it must be horrifying knowing that part of your life is known to the public, influencing someone out there.
I think it's what most creator (whatever the medium is) don't fully understand. The risk of being known, and the weight of (however miniscule) the fame.
This creator always reminds me of a contradiction within myself. I like video editing and I like making stuff. I've been obsessed with making music videos using my own recorded gameplay, making trailer style content but at the same time I absolutely despise 'fame'. I want to share what I've made but I also don't want anyone to actually follow me or praise me for it (which is why I've never actually uploaded any of my videos) It's a weird contradiction and of course I can't actually speak for another person but I feel like this could also be something that he struggled with
( bad english )
This guy really teaches me soo much about vocaloid culture and history. These videos really help me appreciate not only the hardworking and talented producers who make the music, but also the fans worldwide that dedicate their love and time to this stuff. You're seriously one of my favorite content creators. I've only really gotten into vocaloid for 2 years now so all this old stuff connected to it really fascinates me. Without this channel, i wouldn't get to see vocaloid's past and the pasts of soo many producers and creators. Thank you soo much man. Good to have you back
your english was spot on!!! 💗
@@starlitcentaur aaaa thx :D
we have very different definitions of "bad english" I think this was really well written, good job, I understood everything super well!
I remember discovering K’s works while watching the utau ranking on nico nico way back in 2012, I instantly became a fan. A little bit later, I was big into the rpgmaker community and played lcd dem. At the time, I didn’t even know the producer with the unique sound I found on the ranking was the same person. When I found out, my respect for them grew even more.
I also vividly remember the very day lcd dem was taken down, and the angry fans on the forums in both English and Japanese. I couldn’t help but also be a bit angry with K, how could you put something out there and one day just be like “ok. Forget about this”. I was young and impressionable at the time but I still feel the same somewhat. Then his music, and his entire online presence, gone.
In the years that followed I would see small gatherings of fans reuploading their works and making small talk amoungst ourselves. It was quiet yet somehow felt incredibly loud, since we were directly going against K’s wishes.
Finally, many years later, it exploded. For awhile, K had his wish granted, I had completely forgotten about them until recently. But it seems the internet has a certain way of working against K and many others like them.
In the end I ended up musing mostly to myself and my memories, but I think it echoes the experiences of a lot of long haul K fans. People who I don’t even see anymore after the recent boom.
While I’m happy more people get to experience their style of music and the many talented people creating K-like content, it’s almost a bit dehumanizing. Imagine being K and suddenly everything you wished to forget about came rushing back, even worse, droves of people reducing your work to “welcome to the cult LUL” and other such ignorant comments, just a “new” fad.
I couldn’t imagine. I would be miserable. I can only hope wherever K is, they’ve found some sort of peace.
I actually first found one of these in 2018 a much smaller channel with the name i can vaguely translate to 'its all your fault.' their videos following the . name format. I found them in a 2018 new vocaloid music Playlist. I was so suprised to realise they must of been part of this massive trend.
全てあなたの所為です。Is their channel name
The creator really hate it so much huh
As someone who's been in the Yume Nikki fanbase since like 2013, I honestly wasn't expecting to hear anything about k that I didn't hear before. Luckily for me, I was wrong. Some really good points made, especially at the end. Going to need to give his other games another shot, probably haven't touched them since like 2015.
you are literally one of the reasons why I decided to learn English, and you come back talking about one of my favorite producers... WELCOME BACK
i never followed k or knew who he was before xo0ox’s “ “ cult. in fact, even after i started listening to nameless utau songs, i still didn’t know who he was. eventually i came across comments about him, and it took me forever to finally find k’s name. once i did, i was barely able to know anything about him, and only knew a few of his songs. but i’m still so grateful to all those who shared his story, even if its selfish. i guess to those who already knew k’s work, its easy to say we should follow k’s wishes. and i really do want to respect them too, but i also don’t want k’s memory to die. i want to be able to listen to his music, and everyone else, too. even if k doesn’t want to be known, i still want everyone to know him and how influential he is to all these songs with millions of views.
He didn't start a cult, he was also not in any cult, koronba simply made songs and very deep art. Shall not be forgotten
@@TunaFillet oh no, i wasn't talking about k when i said cult, i was actually talking about xo0ox. this is the channel: ruclips.net/channel/UCxIzG0XIBe1XMh5dz-qUkVg
i've gotten many friends hooked on K's work through rain so getting to hear tracks from it used as bgm feels like a dream. it's thrilling to have your work pop into my subscriptions!! as always, your content is pure quality over quantity and i'd want it no other way~ (also YES sugar guitar is SO GOOD) welcome back 💞
The ending message is something I think more creators need to understand. As soon as you put your work out on the internet then it's not really considered yours anymore, it belongs to everyone who has experienced your work. It's really crazy seeing how people can really have such an impact on others and not even know it. Anyways glad to see you're back!
As someone who imitates K, I am thoroughly enjoyed to see this!
I recommend you check out the user 全てあなたの所為です。, an imitator of K who has their own imitators and fanbase, due to the unique way they imitate.
Though I see the use of his name, as well as talking about him in such detail in general, in a rather critical light, it was still a very well-made video. I didn't expect to see Yume Nikki here, that made me happy. Keep up the good work, you're great at producing these interesting video essays with interesting topics!!
if you could not tell by the pfp i am a huge fan of koronba-sen. even though i was very young, i was able to dive deeper into the internet with the help of the adults that i was around and i had found out about koronba in my grade school years, early 2010s. i remember being excited about a pixiv upload or a twitter post even though i couldnt understand anything without the help of (the unreliable) google translate. playing lcddem and letting that and some other games introduce me to jrpgs, i was so obsessed with and looked up to koronba-sen like he was an older brother. so, it was super devastating when he disappeared. his disappearance upset me greatly, especially because of *why*, so i had become a kind of purist until around a year ago. it angered me so much that people would treat his work without respect and blow it up while giving credit (which was what he didnt want), and even still it does annoy me how people will post about him for the "im so cool for liking this obscure thing i know nothing about" clout. but you, with this video, did your research so well and this is a perfect explanation and kind of representation this all needed. koronba-sen has a very intense grip on my heart, and this video made me remember how nice it was when he was still here with us. im glad you upload these things with the intention of educating, and not being just some clout chaser. this is the only koronba-sen related video ive seen that properly explains everything. thank you so much
I love K-san too. my favourite music I ever discovered. I hope he returns one day ...
It kind of sucks, but it's definitely true that once you put something out on the internet, it doesn't really belong to you anymore. Lately I've seen more and more people talking about the troubles creators face, and I imagine just being out there making yourself known can be stressful. Thank you for making this video, this is a really important and relevant topic!
(Also I feel so validated that you like Sugar Guitar, it's my favorite UTAU song of all time 😍😍)
It's sad when you have an actual friends who actually reached the Higher Plane of Creators of the internet, but something undoubtedly terrifying happens on such degree that made them deletes all of their archive. I knew one of that kind of person, in real life.
I always thought that he was either got unlucky or kind of pessimistic until I knew the whole story. Honestly, I see myself could do the same - if an art thief monetizing our work is doxxing and blackmailing with braindead Twittards libels or Instagrams fakes. They always drown reasons and meaningful posts in said media, because such is the design of the Kafkaesque system.
There are reasons why internet is stigmatized, propagated, memes itself to oblivion. It's because most means of getting higher numbers of favourite - likes - shares - loves are not organic, natural, or simply artificially boosted by algorithm. Worse, built on top of deliberately evil person's intent. We as artists are naturally sheltered to learn more focused to create what has not existed, but we will always strive for a relationship. We became sensitive. But the moment that relationship is imbued with trust, and broken in a short timeframe, it hurts us double as it also means our work are not resonating with people, misinterpreted, or worse - misused with damages that ended up being psychosomatic or physical (because money is involved).
This person I knew, is actually the leader of our illustrator network, even he and his power as teacher groups whose students actually reached Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, and Australia, has no control over this internet degeneracy. Social Media are not the place where substance matters over style.
And as an IT Student who really wants to see them again, it sickens me. But talking is not the best way to strike the culprit where it matters.
Yaaaay new vid!
In my opinion "a sardine grows from the soil" is one of the most influential vocal synth songs of all time. The whole trend it started is crazy. Such a fascinating topic and i think youre the best person to cover it.
I think i remember koronba or one of koronba's copycats livestreaming a while back.
Also i had no idea "carol" inspired iroha! one of my favorite songs and producers!
I remember finding one of those nameless videos for the first time, I was so intrigued-it really did feel like I was in on some kind of secret; I made sure to like the video and subscribed to the channel just so I could manage to find it later.
Someone has undoubted already said it but to quote Bo Burnham “If you can live your life without an audience, you should do it.”
What an awful dilemma to be in-to want people to only look at what you have made and not at yourself.
I have so many thoughts about this, but it’s 2:00 am so I should probably go to sleep.
Glad you’re back man, great video. Can’t wait for the next one.
The last part of the video is really true, unfortunately and I agree full-heartedly. I hope he's off the internet and doing fine now. But I don't think a "dedicated fan" would repost all the old works of him for the other people, just keep them to yourselves for god's sake...
I honestly think if he didn't decide to try to delete everything and just simply left the internet, this wouldn't have become a "cult". And I know it's contradicting, but it just maddens me some random people try to use his style of music for views and traction, though that might not be their intention :( All of them use the same style: no name, no title; making the audience hope that he might be back and it just doesn't feel right. And thus the audience thinks its the original style from SubeAna. Sorry this is off topic.
Ironically I think obscuring the source might be what xxxx wanted. Their footsteps are now a legacy, and people which they actually hated so much who perverted the means of fame in the end fills his wish to be not associated with the internet anymore.
It's a 4 Dimensional Streisand Effect or at least a double layered one. For us, it is exactly the opposite. But for the kinds of people who brought xxxx nothing but trouble, is exactly how it supposed to go.
@@defaulted9485 but he didn’t WANT a legacy. He wanted to be completely forgotten…
@@Crazygamergal WHICH I FUCKING HATE!
1st we get a Kikuo song and then a ubnubmaster video?! Truly a blessed week.
Glad you're still making these videos! :D
Welcome back Ubnubmaster! I was just looking at some stuff this producer made when this video was released lol
AAAAA IM SO HAPPY YOURE BACK + They’re one of my favourite producers! Happy you’re covering them!!
Reminds me a lot of playing through “The Beginner’s Guide”, by the guy who made Stanley’s Parable. It gives a similar vibe to this video where the information is interesting, but you feel kind of bad for knowing it.
the beginners guide popped to my mind too. similar context, similar story of a creator being completely blindsided by the consequences of runaway fame they never asked for.
i dont think knowing about it is something to feel bad for in and of itself, but my lord people sure do like to project...
The narrator in "The Beginner's Guide" is a horrid manipulator, and the reason why Coda left.
His purpose is to share Coda's Work, not about caring for Coda themselves. Effectively stealing valor.
It's a catharsis for the player to see the bastard narrator now suffers alone as we left. Because we understands how Coda left him in his own maze, made of ignorance without foresight - blinded by his high wall of ego.
The best video talking about koronba on youtube. Incredible.
It's very obvious you did your homework with this, you touched everything koronba made and treated the important matter of it. Most youtubers I've watched that talked about him just say the first thing you can find on google about him. Weird guy deleted all his work uuuu spooky. But you talked about the dilema I always think when talking about Koronba. Does he have the right to keep his work hidden once he has gave it to the world? Is it morally correct for the fans to pursue the search of an artist's work even if that is against that artist's will?
I've been very influenced by Koronba, and the musicians that branched from him, specially Speder2 and Kyouzou. As a musician this community as impacted me on the music I make. And I know it's not as good as theirs, I have the motivation to improve and impact others just as they impacted me.
Thanks for touching the matter in such a profesional way, again, this video is incredible!
*WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO KNOW THE TRUTH NOW, DEAL?*
Speder2 was confirmed to be K's alt.
Fully agree with your comment, his music has influenced many - my favourite artists all derived from Koronba's work like 全てあなたの所為です。
@@cryptic2121 wait really? When/how was it confirmed? That's incredible news
@@ndescruzur4378 few years ago. i would link the full post but youtube auto deletes.
some of them:
Speder2's song numbers continue where K left off
Speder2's SoundCloud PFP is shaped exactly like K's Koro4 figure from his last 4 songs
Dhinameptor's chord progression is identical to 45日前's
f_3 game style from Speder2's old website shows a style identical to LcdDem's one
Speder2 has 2 in his name, same as 2号, K's confirmed second niconico account. K having a second soundcloud account would most likely be Speder2
I do respect what "K" wanted that he wanted himself not to be famous. But I also do think that to the people who have no clue about who he is, hiding information about him is, well meaningless. It's internet and it's just impossible to hide something but it will just raise curiosity about him. It's how humans act. We all wants to know about something. Some of us say we must keep "K" secret. But if you don't know who "K" is, do you really think you will be able to comprehend why you must not know about him? It's just impossible.
My conclusion is, well, I won't mention him myself but also I would respect someone shares information about him. It's an irony that if you need to keep something secret, you need to be aware of what the secret is.
Thank you for making this video. I remember reading the comments for 'Anemone Glitch' and wondering who "He who shall not be named" was and now I finally understand (and yes Sugar Guitar is phenomenal and Police Piccadilly as a whole are fantastic).
As for, well "he" and why he erased everything, we'll likely never know. Even though I agree that once you put a part of yourself out there it's no longer yours, I think it's also fair for someone to regret that decision. I totally understand the feeling of wanting to put your art out there without it being tied to or associated to you as a person. Even so, I feel like the reasoning is probably more personal than just embarrassment or internet drama so I don't think I'll pry any further than this video or what I've said here. I just hope they're doing well.
Man, I love hearing about relatively unknown tales from the corners of the internet. Amazing presentation, and love the message at the end. Also welcome back!
extremely interesting video, talking about internets past and certain approaches as a creator. love the stuff u make and im waiting for more to come!
I have no words, this is really an amazing video. I haven’t heard of K before, and I can empathize with their wish for privacy, but I’m still glad you told their story in a very compelling way. Fantastic job!
Glad to see a new video of yours, great work as always! ^-^ I actually choked up a bit at the end, as an aspiring artist myself it's frightening putting myself out there. However I also deeply want to be able to impact people in the same way that my favourite artists and creators have impacted me (as scary as it may be to hear on a video like this, your work has also had an effect on me in how I view vocaloid producers and even music in general). I very much want to be able to affect someone like that too but the pain and pressure that can come from even the smallest of audiences can't be underestimated. I never thought about it that much until now, it's quite humbling.
Thanks for making this video. Your videos always make me have a different outlook on life, especially people. I forget that other people out there have these problems, and it's good to talk about them for people like me, who don't know what's going on. For example, before this video, I thought that all artists just wanted all the attention; that's why their work is put out there, but people might just want to show what they can do, or just want to show what type of art they can make, maybe to a smaller audience. I still don't really have a full grasp on this but I do understand the problem. Again, *thank you* for this informative video, and have a wonderful day👌💩
After introducing me to so many vocaloid songs which have impacted me in a certain way, you also impacted me by giving out such a unique message at the end ;-;
thank you so much!
Nice to see you back! And with such an interesting topic too :)
I personally am really uncomfortable with this video's existence in all honesty, but I understand and respect your opinion. I relate to K-san a lot.... wanting to disappear and never be perceived. And yet there's still a part of me that wants to put my stuff out there and gain a following and, most importantly, make an impact. But I know I would hate it and regret it all later. I understand and sympathize with K-san a lot, so I personally will respect his wishes. But I will also respect other people's choice to talk about him, because it _is_ inevitable either way, and perhaps others can gain something from hearing the story of this man.
Have been there. I dunno your version of it, but our perceptions of others thoughts/expectations of us aren’t usually correct. I hope you’re able to find a way to not be too stuck in those feelings, they can be so vicious
This was a powerful fucking video.
This was my first time learning about this piece of Utau's history, but I think you tackled everything with an incredible amount of respect. Everything here, especially that last section, has given me a lot to think about as student who's studying music composition and someone who's been struggling with burnout/how to create art sustainably.
Thank you for making it, Ubnub, and welcome back!
awesome! i'm so glad you're back and covering my favorite genre! i immediately knew who you were talking about in your post from 9 months ago. was this video inspired by the comment section from your last video where i linked you the koronba reuploads? it seems so as you said i introduced you to the lamprey hole, so that's why i ask. also, you mixed up the names of a sardine grows from the soil and the tuna one at 5:16.
Agh! I swear I always miss something every video! I guess it's to be expected with a video this long though. Thank you for pointing it out. Yes and no. I actually decided to finally do this video after getting an email from someone else. So I guess you can say it was a combination of requests that led to this happening.
@@ubnubmaster wow, very cool. have a lovely day or whatever the time is when you read this. mistakes happen to everyone, good thing it was just a trifle and not a major one.
I'm really happy that you took the time to make another video. Your channel really fills a whole in my heart of vocaloid/utau content that's insightful and informative. Thank you.
You are finally back! I was so confused why you disappear for so long, but after seeing this video, I finally get it now. It must be not easy to trace down all of this information, and for that, thank you.
Please continue to make these videos. They are a delight to watch!
Man that ending question really does deserve its own personal video essay, I'd personally say yes, but of course, there is a certain criteria well for me, for example, would I do something im really good at but absolutely detest doing it? If I did, I know my soul will crush under the despairity of that situation
glad to have you back!! also covering one of my favorite rabbit holes.. it's a complex topic but im glad you handled it with its due respect. hope koronba is doing better mentally
I didn't expect getting this video while searching for a forgotten UTAU, Mar
Very nice video :)
I had some of the nameless videos saved on a playlist on another account - that I got locked out of lmao. Watching this reminded me of them again. So glad to see you back though, I really look forward to your videos.
I love this channel. I thought I had found a niche hidden community around this producer, so seeing an intimate video on their history is fascinating and bizzare. Even if it doesn’t respect the wishes of K, I think it’s important that their story be shared. You can’t control other people and make them forget you, which I’m sure is a painful concept to some people, but it’s too important to let fade into obscurity. At the very least, it serves as a lesson for creators who aren’t ready to put themselves in the spotlight. Thank you for making this video, have an amazing day!
welcome back! your videos really educated me about vocaloid when i was just getting into it 2 years ago :D It was a really nice surprise seeing you post a video again, especially when its about K! this seemed liked a hard video to talk about so i just wanted to thank you for the hard work you put into these video essays!
"[It's] people's right to remember you." Very well said. I'm a bit late to the party, but this video is very well made and I'm super glad there's someone out there making video essays about these things that I've loved for so long. Your channel fulfills a niche I've wanted for a long time.
I feel K-----'s plight on a very personal level. There's no room for reclusive artists anymore. It's been like this for a long time, but it's felt most strongly with the height of the internet because now, any random person just doing their own thing can go viral whether they consented to that or not. Even people who aren't artists or don't make 'content' get this treatment to some degree. If you make something and people get emotionally invested in it, they have the right to that investment. You can not make people stop caring about you. That's just not how it works.
As an artist, there's a large part of me that truly wishes we still lived in a time where you could have your work seen without having your life pried into. The fear of fame on even a tiny level genuinely inhibits my ability and desire to create at all, and it's actually quite painful. I think there needs to be more respect and consideration for people who make things solely because they wanted it to exist, or because they wanted to make something. But I don't know how we could ever get back to that point when we barely had it in the first place.
The internet allows for some of that anonymity, letting you use an alias and never requiring you to show your face. But people still want that information, and some people become so obsessed that they'll do anything to get it. It's actually really sad how poorly artists are treated, given the impact they have on people's lives and culture. When you make something, it's natural to want to share it; be it only among those close to you, or with people who will never really know you, whatever is more comfortable for you personally. Being punished for that desire with fame you don't want, when all you really do want is to tell a story, or make some music, or a video, etc., can feel like the biggest betrayal in the world.
Friends and family will make your creations your entire personality. People who never knew you before encountering your art will have only what you make to go off of. It seems like, no matter what, you're doomed to be subjected to the versions of you that people make in their own heads. But art is meant to be shared, it's meant to be seen and discussed. It's up to the individual to decide who they want to open that discussion to. So many artists give up on creating altogether because they can't find a balance that is healthy for them, and it's tragic every time, because that's an entire lifetime of art that will never be allowed to find its place in the world. As an artist, you have to take responsibility for deciding where that place is, because ultimately you're only responsible for yourself and the impact you leave. You can't take responsibility for what other people do, and I think that's what K----- broke down trying to do.
He just wanted to be left alone and tried to make others take that action, only making himself unavailable when their disregard finally broke him. I don't say this to victim blame, I personally do believe that people should have at least left him alone and not interacted with him if that's what he wanted, and I don't think it's hard to refer to him with a pseudonym or listen and share his work without credit. (Seriously, the one time that's what someone asks for is when we're suddenly so concerned with proper credit?) But feeling responsible for what other people do, trying to control them or make them behave differently, and trying to barter with them in order to get the respect you deserve, all that only makes you even more unhappy. And people have the right to remember the things that became important to them, just like K---- has the right to delete it all and ghost the internet. I just really hope he can be happy and move on, and that we can learn to strike a proper balance between remembering something precious and respecting the person who made it.
Absolutely lovely to listen to, thank you for all of your hard work sharing this with us!!
Nice to see you in my in sub feed again ubnub. I love these video documentaries.
WELCOME BACK! This video was really well put together and you handled the issue with so much respect its commendable.
From my own perspective, how comfortable you feel with having yourself perceived by others varies for everyone. For Koronba, perhaps their creations were far too personal to separate from their identity. And none of us want our identities to be a subject of speculation for strangers who don't even know us.
I truly hope they're doing well wherever they are.
On another note, I plan to check out Yume Nikki later on too. Are there any more similar games you could recommend?
Ib and Witch's house are two other RPG Maker games that are very much worth playing. I'd also say Lisa the Painful RPG, but that's a bit further out there in terms of being comparable to Yume. In reality, there's nothing quite like Yume in particular.
To yume nikki? Or just rpg maker games in general? For rpg maker I'd recommend the titles I mentioned in the video (Lisa the Painful in particular). But games similar to yume nikki, man that's kind of a tough question, cause no one makes games like kikiyama did. If you just want more yume nikki, then yume 2kki is a must. But if you just like psychological horror in general I can't recommend silent hill 2 enough. It's a classic and will really get into your head.
@@DumasDumasDumas thank you! I'll check them out too.
@@ubnubmaster thanks for the rec! does this mean kikiyama doesnt make games anymore?
this may sound less related than an rpgmaker game, but lsd dream emulator i truly believe inspired yume nikki heavily and i think if you end up enjoying YN you should really check it out. its made by one of my own personal favorite visual artists but i really don't feel biased saying its a gorgeous game that deserved more than being branded "creepy weirdcore stuff" and otherwise forgotten about
Welcome back!! I love this video and the nuance and care you take when handling this topic.
A video about koronba? It's been so long since I heard that name man. It feels good. Good but really sad.
I've never heard about him, how long ago did he produce videos?
@@kotonmi dunno when he started i think it was around 2008-2009 but i remember discovering him around 2012. I wasn't too into vocaloid back then but I do remember not being able to find his songs for a good while.
i missed your videos! glad you’re back!
Damn. The one time I thought I had forgotten -- the algorithm goes in and drags me back. Thanks for the video though! , thought people didn't bother making a documentary about him since his presence on the internet was wiped long ago
so good to see you back!!
Man, I've not heard about this producer till now and want to listen there work yet i'll feel guilty if i do after that video. Also love your work and nice to see you back.
The no name or his old one?
@@L16htW4rr10r those are 2 different artists
@@abdulaisiyoup3912 Ohh. I thought they are the same.
Feel same
I'm glad you covered this topic! and I loved the message at the end, amazing vid
So glad to see you uploading again! Love the content.
I forgot this channel existed until I thought about it randomly tonight. I'm glad to see your back to posting and thank you for telling this story. You're amazing 🙏
I love x0o0x and k sm and im glad you talked about them, also welcome back!!
Damn! Amazing video! Lots of food for thought as an illustrator myself, so thank you for releasing this!
I wasn't expecting you to talk about one of my favorite creators thank you also I'm glad you came back with such a good video much love ❤️❤️
I have yet to watch the video so I liked it for later. I just wanted to say that I’m glad your back and you’re videos are always so entertaining!
Woah I almost didn't believe my eyes when I saw the notification. It's so good to have you back!
And what a comeback. Amazing video and wonderfuly crafted. Almost as if you were never gone in the first place.
Thanks for the beautiful video. Welcome back!
Your back!! I've been waiting for maybe a year for you to be back and was really surprised when I saw the video!!
Welcome back!
I don't usually comment on videos, but I think you really outdid yourself with this one. It's not an easy thing talking about the history & complicated feelings of K*, but the way you worded everything here was really well done. This has easily become my new favorite video that you've ever created.
I really love the ending message!
This is also the end message I get after following a big youtuber for how many years and seeing numerous stars. Stardom comes with fame. If you can't handle the negative side then best not to do it.
This is VERY INSIGHTFUL! I'm glad that I get to hear about the creator behind the mysterious nameless songs from a nameless person.
I have fallen into yet another rabbit hole. Also, welcome back!
I really missed your videos! I was checking often lol, thx for the great vid as always!
beautiful video. even though i extremely dislike people using his name, i do appreciate that you’ve made a video on my favorite artist, aswell as one to spark this huge community!
I missed you and many others did. Very glad to see you back
Awesome job on making the video on this niche subculture (?), enjoyed watching it to the end. As someone who loves their music (and their derivatives), thanks for putting out this video!
Man I am so happy you’re back
I just started uploading music covers lately, and this was...enlightening to say the least. Great vid and great message
i missed your videos so much 😭😭 welcome back
Love to see a new video by ubnub :)
Yet another great video, thanks unub!
So glad to see you uploading again! Great vids man :))
You're so underrated.. Keep it going! This is quality content and I love the way you give us your message from your experience as well! You got a new subscriber
Finding the no title videos and then falling into the hole of X and of K-san and just everything, I always wanted to know who was behind such beautiful music. But I also knew about K-san wanting privacy and not wanting to share his work. Thank you for making this video, and very respectfully too! :)
Good to see you're posting again!
wow, this video was so beautiful to watch!
im only now hearing about k, but i actually would like to share something that happened to me today!
i was scrolling through twitter, and i saw this one tweet about weird genres that spotify made mixes for, i was intrigued so i went through the comments and found out how to find the mixes spotify made for me, so i went, looked them up on the spotify app and the first mix was a "chill mix" and the cover was of a etereal looking fish, i thought it was strange because i never listened to something like that, so i just kept looking at the other mixes
then i went to youtube, and this video was recommended to me, i found the title interesting so i clicked on it, and when third cover at 7:35 appeared, i realized it was the exact same cover from the spotify chill mix! now that i know that this is from k im going to listen to that mix to get a taste of k's music
thank you so much for this video!
pd: i just checked ur channel and turns out u also did the maretu and project diva video essays, and i love vocaloid and video essays so ill def be subscribing, thank you for these videos!
THIS IS AWESOME!!!! Nice video as always Ubnub!!! :)
Thank you for making this 💖✨
Oh my gosh I would have never drawn any connections to the works hes made that id seen at random times before. The nameless channel/utau videos, Lcd Dem, the Elgyem video, even the webcomic characters I saw once and wouldn't even remember where from, it was all surprising seeing his influence was more on me than I expected and its an impressive range to me. You handled this pretty respectfully I'd say and your editing work and words were refreshing and unique along with the other videos I've seen from you today. Its very sad to know now how this had been for him, yet eyeopening
Legit chills on that ending part, as someone who barely listens to vocaloid songs or is aware of the community i thoroughly enjoyed this, definitely dropping a sub, keep it up.
It's been so long. Nice vid as always
Oh. My. Gosh. And after a year, too! Welcome back!
the human condition is to do things at other peoples expense for the perceived 'greater good', i suppose
it can't be helped so one more nail in the coffin won't do /that/ much more damage, but i do feel bad for k, as much as i've never seen or heard any of his work. one more video to add to the legacy he created by accident, and one more surge of comments deliberating why on earth someone would feel so strongly about something that's so unintuitive to understand.
i think it's understandable that people are confused but i can't help getting hives over this whole thing. you know, how quick people are to put social expectations on people they've never met, and how quickly they get insulted when the creator of things they enjoy isn't on their hands and knees praising their viewership for graciously feeding them the barest minimum of their precious attention, as if the mere act of ENJOYING something means the other person is obligated to be thankful in return. As if you're doing them a favor. As if fame and empty endless praise from people you've never met and never will is something you're supposed to be thankful for, and as if the fans did fuck all but consume and re-interpret what your art means to fit their own needs.
... this is a really well put together video by the way, even though i'm being cynical. might be a morally grey area considering the context but it's not like you /not/ making the video is going to make the whole ordeal disappear and all. it's all already out there regardless.
aa-ah. how dare someone not want fame. how dare, how dare, how dare.
@@VicarAmelias to repeat, i understand the confusion. i never said that enjoying other peoples work is a bad thing, and as far as i can tell, k also never said it's bad for people to enjoy his work. the guy made a mistake, didn't know how to handle it, and lashed out. lashing out was also a mistake but once you start making those it's difficult to stop, especially when nobody seems to be willing to understand why you're making them in the first place.
i think it's great for people to enjoy things. for anyone to have a positive experience with a piece of media or art in any sense is wonderful and i wouldn't take that experience away from them for the world even if i could; it's their experience, and having those experiences is one of the things that make life so vibrant and so absolutely worth living.
however, i take major issue with the idea that people having those experiences is a favor to the creator, as if you having positive experiences with a creators work EVEN IF it's an experience the creator wasn't even trying to convey is something the you're inherently supposed to be grateful for, and as if people treating your work as if it's not yours is a good thing.
as if people having subjective experiences with your work means the work itself is subjective. as if claiming your sweat and tears as theirs just because they had an experience with it is reasonable, and why, how you should be overjoyed that people aren't listening to you; that what you meant to say or convey with those hours and hours and hours of work isn't any more ""correct"" than someone who projected a sea of unrelated experiences into 3 minutes of sound and then makes massive claims about what you apparently /meant/ to say.
people can have their experiences. they shouldn't be made feel bad for having had them. but it's never inherently a good or a bad thing, and nothing the person who made the experience is obligated to be grateful for or happy about. being alone in a crowd is a hellish state to be--especially when the crowd claims to love you, the someone they've never met or known. the someone who only made the source of the individual experiences other people are having by their lonesome; the someone whose entire existence is now up to subjective opinion.
the someone who doesn't even exist.
i'm genuinely very, very glad to hear you've found comfort in sharing your work with people, and it warms my heart to see you be so overwhelmingly passionate about the emotions people are having with it. i wish i could say the same for myself, but that's the way it goes. people are different.
could not have put it better myself
amazing video, good to see you back :)
Very sombering video. Thanks for making this.
Woah I never even considered you would cover the " " Community, it's interesting and deep that you even made this video.
Good to see you back