BBC discussion with Milton Friedman (Feb 1980) - Free to Choose: 2. The Tyranny of Control
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024
- Milton Friedman and the case against central planning.
Unfortunately, I cannot find episode 1. Sorry.
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0:00 - Start
1:58 - Milton Friedman's movie
28:11 - Discussion
Thanks for posting this series. I didn't even know there was a BBC version.
1980 "The oil and Natural Gas was just not there."
Oh how wrong can one man be?
Towards the end of the debate (using an Ad hominem attack) Lord Kearton got his numbers completely wrong - millions of barrels per day.... actually he should have said tens of thousands per day. As they say "you should not let the facts get in the way of a good story".
That lord, what a pompous insufferable tw@ t
@55:30 he states the wolf is here! Milton with the help of hindsight has been shown to be right. Does this not sound familiar to the Global warming debate?
Yes, perfect. It's doomsday thinking.
But a beautiful insight to notice is that people instinctively don't trust hysterical people, they intuit they are not convinced by their own arguments.
I love watching Friedman just bat away everything with such conviction.
Protectionism is all too alive today from the Trumpsters to the democrsts. Both parties are anti free market. Very worrying.
It is quite humorous to watch some of these videos and see how totally illogical the argument these men make against Milton Friedman. Not only that, they’re not even minutely respectful and good communicators when compared to the young college students that often disagree with Mr. Friedman. I love watching him, because he is such an excellent communicator of facts and he also cut to the chase of what the person is actually saying which may or may not have anything to do with the subject. Quite enlightening…
Haha so many years later, now how stupid does the old guy who’s saying “they can’t produce any more oil than they are”
“All the distinguished geologists have come to the same conclusion; there’s no more oil to produce”
Hahaha
Shows you have full of BS these prognosticators are. I'll make an even crazier statement. We'll NEVER run out of oil. We'll find more with new tech and/or switch to other sources that will make reliance less and less, but they'll always be some if we need it.
What these morons fail to to realize is what's true today isn't always true tomorrow and technology matters.
Wikipedia: Heffer resigned from Labour and joined the Communist Party of Great Britain; he said that "To me, Stalin was the greatest of men"
I’m really interested to learn what the guy to say about economics.
So the textile industry would hardly exist at all? Perhaps. But is that an argument against free trade? No, not at all. In fact it's an argument FOR free trade. He takes it for granted that there *should* be a textile industry in the UK, but if, in a free market consumers would prefer to consume textiles from elsewhere, then so be it. That energy being put into the textile industry can be put into something else. These men think about the economy as deeply as Butters Stotch. They think a 'good' economy has certain specific industries, such as textiles, but a good economy is simply one in which consumers are free to buy what they want in the cheapest market.
I agree with the fundamental principle: a good economy is simply consumers able to operate in how they like. If I take the 4 men’s viewpoint, I would say that has the potential of decimating the entire domestic economy because the native consumers only buys imports. I think that’s how they would react.
@@hanh3000Yes. And there's also the consideration about comparative advantage, what if a country simply has zero comparative advantages in literally evwrything, or just about everything? And there are still things like food as a matter of national security, or steel as national security. And there's also the question of niches to put it in biological terms, some niches are often better than others, for example, but if they're already occupied, the 'comparative advantage' is with the present players, and other species have a hard time entering, ie a sort of status quo advantage, well, not exactly, but I hope you understand.
And let's make an utterly idiotic scenario for the sake of argument. There is a new technology, it's practically magical in that it's horrifyingly efficient, yet difficult to operate and has a high upfront cost. A government which does not protect its own pathetic industries risk very well wrecking it, as the comparative advantage will, almost certainly, always lie with the nation with such 'magic'- and any sufficiently advanced technology is magic. And some industries also are plain more productive than others at maximum capacities. Agriculture, while never as efficient as today also makes a relatively low part of our economies, plants are cheap. Airplanes are not. In the long term, taking a hit to subsidise planemaking to get the industry going will probably earn more money than continuing onto the agricultural path.
And the interesting part about Friedman's point with Freddie Laker is that one could use it to make an argument for government owned and managed companies to bring out the best of the private sector, have them eternally competing against the odds.
@@Cecilia-ky3uwThis technology would never exist, nor can any individual have a comparative advantage in nothing or everything (as it is a relative comparison between the individual and the totality; thus no one can be 0 or 1.0; at most extreme is a human in a vegetable state, thus reaching near 0, yet value derives from emotional and spiritual connection with loved ones). You’re arguing from cloud coocooland. Come back to down to reality if you want to prove government intervention in trade and industry is a good idea.
@@Bailey_iQ The extreme example is still useful for illustrative purposes- as for non-cocoland examples, later.
National industries, protectionism. That's sounds like geo-politics, where you leave industry and enter the realm of power. I'm no expert in economics, in fact i find it boring, and dont pay much attention to it, bu ti'll throw my two pennys in, "a magical tech in that 'd horrifyingly efficient" might be future ((next gen )AI tools, developed by successive AI itself, i can imagine star trek like capacities, of production, materializers, i'd love it if everybody had the capacity to manufacture anything they wanted, like owning all the factories of the world in your own home, then you would truly have pure human freedom and 'free enterprise', its just a matter of science fiction becoming science reality, take somebody from 6000 years ago, and show them todays world it blown their minds
Also, it would lead to importantly human individual self sufficiency, including energy needs, (no more electric bills. no more excessive gov intervention in atleast this one area) if we all had solar, or whatever new pioneer invention, energy cells in our home, alongside unlimited manufacturing capacities, for our personal needs, of an almost alien like 'magical' quality. this would destroy national gepolitical industry competition,and the trivialities of car industry, textile stuff, electronics, etc woudl be a relic of the past, a utopia, paradigm shift, that some might say cocooland or la la land, but again, 250,000 years ago, we were in the stone age, 250,00 years from now, they will think we were very primitive indeed, a safe forecast...and if we still exist , resembling anything close to human, free enterprise and all those 'religions' we hold so dear today, will have mutated , or evolved , into something HOPEFULLY better than what we have now. Progress is not linear, so we could still devolve.
53:39 This goof claims that the one guy on his own in a 3-on-1 debate doesn't let opposition get a word in edgeways. My goodness.
When he was interrupted far far more lmfao
55:59 Friedman should've cut in at this point and said "that's _exactly_ what I'm saying". Only an idiot keeps on doing the same thing and expects different results.
Where is part 1?
The wolf is here; we hit peak oil, then ran out in 1985 apparently.
Do you ever wonder if these people lived long enough to watch this video again in the modern age and see how ridiculous their arguments are?
The US can’t produce 10-12million barrels/day more and we’re gonna be out of NG in 2-3 years 😂
Hypothetically speaking, if China subsidizes their steel production so that it is cheaper to buy steel from China than anywhere else; and a subsidy is a tax on the people living in that nation, wouldn't it be in the strategic interest to buy every ton of steel produced by China? After all, the Chinese are subsidizing the sale of Chinese steel to, say, the US. Then we could just sit on or use the artificially cheap steel as we see fit.
It depends on the quality of steel China produces
Yes it would be on our best interests to do it, just has we've done with Chinese clothing items and miscellaneous products. Americans/Westerners will have more money to spend and productivity will go up due to cheaper steel
@@kylep7503 If the quality of chinees steel is worse then it wouldn't compete with US steel.
it's been 40 years and the things are still there - the increased demand for oil and gas has found its oil and gas fields, the proponents of control are the saying the same things and Professor Friedman has the same smirk on his face about another generation of control freaks heck bent on seeing shortage everywhere. There is no shortage of anything, let's not be afraid to get busy. Human activity has a remarkable tendency to generate what wasn't there before.
“Free trade allowed Britain to become the workplace of the word.” Nobel Prizes don’t mean much do they 😂
Regardless of your take on it, look at the level of civility, intelligence and the significance of the topics. Today we debate trans people restroom, trying to look cool giving fried replies. For me its a clear sign of a free fall for humanity
Yeah, i don't pay attention to all that, luckily we are still pseudofree here in england, and can pay attention to whatever we want. I seek out videos like this. Cause im consider myself a autonomous being, and not a sheep who depends on group opinions, but i'm 1% of population, (personality type) pathologically individualistic..verging on anarchistic. I dont know if the species is free falling, (or standing still, as the machine rolls on) they just like their gilded cages now more than ever
'Economic freedom produced human freedom! 'no it didn't. No mention of slavery or debt.
it was only until countries were rich enough that they could afford the luxury of abolishing slavery.
@@kylep7503 really! What are you talking about.
@@robertprice2148do you actually know about the history of slavery and attitudes towards slavery?
@@kylep7503 slavery is usually abolished after violence insurrection and disturbances and public sentiments at these clashes, it is always changing mass morality that move the laws, nothing to do with national wealth..if you are saying as a populace becomes richer, they become more moral, i dont know about that, it would seem the opposite to my eyes, they become more greedy , aggressive, and narcissistic , gotta get that next commodity, dog eat dog mentality
@@LSD-33166 Lol, changing of mass morality. Mass morality doesn't change even if there is such a thing as morality. Soviet people became "state slaves" under Stalin. It was only through wealth and freedom that capital/technological advancements replaced human slaves with cheaper mechanical labor. The demand for cheap labor never diminished; the best that one can do is find non-human substitutes.