Season 2 Balance Changes (that may or may not be real)
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- 00:00 - Intro
02:59 - Universal/System Changes
06:50 - Ryu
07:50 - Chun Li
10:29 - Deejay
15:36 - Blanka
17:21 - Cammy
20:09 - E Honda
22:53 - Luke
25:12 - Guile
26:13 - JP
30:04 - AKI
41:59 - Jamie
46:19 - Zangief
50:21 - Kimberly
52:58 - Rashid
54:21 - Ken
55:45 - Manon
56:43 - Lily
57:17 - Missing Chars/Wrapup
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Honda's full patch notes are going to be a photo of the character select screen with him missing.
Who the hell is Honda?
@@thesyclemonte6571
I think he is talking about the Honda Civic.
@@RockBottom7626 More like the Honda Accord
It's that car they beat up in sf2
Good, it's a christmas miracle.
The Honda headbutt change is crazy, especially considering Capcom doesn't seem to mind Blanka being one of the strongest character is the very same game
I feel like Blanka ball takes more thought and skill to use, at least when he's not in level 2
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil I don't know, at high level headbutt is a free perfect parry, unlike blanka ball; and at lower levels both moves are complete scrub killers anyways
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvilBB is way more belligerent. Blanka at base level have a grab mix with light, and is nearly unpunishable on block if using the heavy.
Let's not forget that Blanka has way more mobility options than Honda does. Cross up rainbow, air BB, slide, hop, and lets not forget the heaven and earth level of difference between sumo spirit and blanka-chan in terms of value.
Honda's changes are clearly focused on killing some of his absurd winrate on lower ranks. He's like the worst kind of character a game can have: almost a win button on lower ranks, and really bad at the top level.
@@LukasRocks001Exactly, which is why he needs to be overhauled. It doesn't make sense giving bad new players a false sense of hope while punishing better players for sticking with him at higher ranks
bro guile players (me) are getting away with murder it feels like. they couldve axed them in half and i wouldnt have even blamed them
I'm happy with it. He feels like one of the more "honest" top tiers to me.
@@SPZ-gv2onYeah, Guile's real honest, honestly the worst character to fight (I play Manon I did this to myself)
@@SPZ-gv2onlol nah his recovery on boom is nonexistent he invalidates fireball invul cause if you charge partition which every guile main should do, you can just ex dp their fireinvul. Next, boom loops, next, flashkick range, level 2, 7 frames optimal punish counter, the wildest thing of all time
It's okay every character will have their time to shine. I main a low tier feels kinda bad but the game will have a long life span. Guile nerfs will come eventually.
I can see why they nerfed buttslam for the casual audience, hell even in Master some people still get locked down by butt slam spam
I didn't give you my permission to talk about me like this
even Brian F had a good amount of trouble with it at Texas showdown
@@Switcheroo4542 lol
ya people lowkey massively downplay how good headbutt and butt slam are. they are insane. the only players who they are "bad" against are a hand full top player. They have to be nerfed in order to actually buff other parts of the character so they can become better.
@@radfield6089 Yeah its kinda the trade off for making a character revolve around a gimmick. They're game-plan has to be good but everything else is mediocre or vice versa. I'd imagine their really tedious to balance.
CAPCOM :
Luke is so strong.. so let's nerf Honda..
Just watched the whole video. Can't wait to utilize my time wisely watching another 2 hour long video when the real patch notes come out 👍
That 6HP change on Zangief was one of my biggest wishes (though I really wanted +8 just so that the frame advantage is the same vs block in burnout).
Hoping he got changes to Atomic Buster and his supers, too.
Aki buffs looking decent
She might be one of the biggest winners based on what we know
Honda drowning in the hot spring
42:20 Boltstrike subbing on the jamie buffs is gold
Who is boltstrike
Like the Kimberly changes. It will be nice to actually have a reason to combo into her lv2 cause it might be the least used lv2 in the game. That being said I don’t think it solves Kimberly’s major defensive weakness. I think the universal DR buff is supposed to help characters without reversals but I think that makes them more meter reliant. We’ll see. I would’ve loved if they just decreased the start frames on her lv1.
Here’s the funny part, it doesn’t help unless they make lv1 faster or give her a DP back lol. It still loses to the safejabs that lv1 has lost to since day one, yk, the strategy that got drive rush reworked such that it comes out on whiffed lights? yeah, that same strategy that already overpowers kim on defense
honestly surprised the denjin change wasn't done waaaaaay sooner, they gave g the exact same fix only a couple years ago and it was tight. maybe they were concerned about it being too strong?
I think it's one of those things Capcom didn't think the player base would care.
"Of course super fast double hit fireball is good, why would you use anything else?"
They need to tone down Ryu's damage slightly because of this change.
@@stefanobailey740 interesting, i didn't really see it that way, but that could be the case. where did the devs say that btw? you wouldn't like, just say some made up shit like that for no reason like i care what you think right?
they did it to birth more Luke mains. the Denjin buff is so obvious that I wouldn't be surprised if they removed it from Ryu's kit with the intention of giving it back in the season 2 patch
I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't high on your list of skills. Read what I wrote again, and then try to determine how you arrived at your answer to me.
If my girl Manon gets weak buffs like this overall or if especially just this one or two, I'm going to be so upset and genuinely sad after waiting a year for this moment.
Capcom Grappler Tax ™️
If she gets weak buffs she still might get overall better if the other strong characters get decent nerfs. Their nerfs alone will make her more powerful in general even if she got zero buffs.
@@ADreamingTravelernah, she need genuine buffs. Her lack of positive frames and weak DR means that she plays poorly in a vacuum before she even gets to contest opponent's things.
I hope to god her spin is actually good at anti projectiles since AKI got her anti fireball buffed.
@@Aggrofoolthis legit made me laugh out loud 😅😅 I main Manon as well
Manon and Jamie both deserve so much more. Fingers crossed there's more stuff down the pipeline
Ryu is looking much better, especially because he could have a potentially strong 6 frame punish on the drive reversal (5mp, 4hp, H Donkey kick, L dp). Also, keeping denjin for when you want is quite nice.
are u sure that hits? it's a genuine question bc after the drive reversal we are pushed a little far away, and after the 5mp, even farther, the 4HP must be VERY close to hit from my experience, so I was wondering about that too
@@dominick_sgi doubt 4hp connects but it will be a punish counter, so you can just link 5hp and that will always work
@@boopingbanana3290 yeah, but 5hp doesn't combo into H donkey kick, so that's not that good to Ryu like this guy just said, isn't it?
@@dominick_sg correct. even if his suggested combo does work, it would only do so fully in the corner. 5hp routes for ryu can still easily do 60% with a full cash out, anywhere on screen
3rd Streamer I have seen claiming credit for the Denjin charge changes today 😂😂
I am SO happy about Ryu being able to choose when to use the Denjin charge. I can actually throw fireballs now in neutral without giving up my charge for combos! Sounds really nice!
Manon's biggest problem seem to be how much they want you to use ex moves to extend your combos, while also probably needing to use a dr to get into that situation in the first place. I know that's only 1 listed change, but feels like they are leaning into that even further which kind of blows. She'll have a seemingly strong dp punish combo at least now, but I also struggle to think of a time you couldn't do this, when you would want to anyways.
This already works on punish counter btw. So... It doesn't change anything. I've seen some Manon main punishing DR with B.HP but they're just crazy 😂😂😂, at least they'll have a combo now.
@@numa2k147 oh yeah I know, I play her, but now she'd have a 5 bar conversion off a 5hk punish counter with big corner carry too. I'm thinking 5hk-5mp-dr-4mp-4hp-ex spin kick-214k. But back to my point, that shit is expensive lol.
People dont p'ay lily so they probably dont notice any changes. However, that does mean nothing has been done about her weak defense. Looks like they hope that ra drive reversal will help out characters with non invincible dps. But at that point... Why not make the dp invincible???
lol I waited until the very end for Lily and the only note is "maybe her only good button is worse" 😂😭
Hey Broski, good stuff on covering this stuff with an analytical view. Kinda hard to find content creators that try to stay analytical when discussing these changes. Subbed
I feel the need to point out how much Broski was struggling to hit confirm Chun's 4/6MP as it is right now in the unedited Twitch vod. I think if a player as good as him cannot consistently confirm a move with a 17f cancel window, it might be fine for that move to have a 17 frame cancel window. I don't know. I sincerely hope that it's a 1 frame nerf, or something. That move was literally fine. Chun having god buttons is her whole thing.
The -6 drive reversal change is a mixed bag when you consider what tier does it effects.
Grapplers don't mind it, in fact it is better for them because they might get lesser punishes
Its bad for Luke, since his 2HP is 7 frames
Its fine for Chun, because her 2MP is 6 frames and it can combo into stance MK for massive damage
Its bad for Ryu, since his 2MP is stubby, he might need to punish with 5LK
Luke still has a medium punish with cr. MP. Also we have to take into account their frame data might change... But the startup of Drive Reversal being faster is also a good thing.
I already was a channel enjoyer, but after your amazing Aki work vs MenaRD, I will be rooting for you. Hope to see you continue to do well in the future!
It's funny how Honda (one of the lower tier characters) gets destroyed, but right underneath him Luke (The best character in the game) gets another slap on the wrist. 😂
Honda got buffed, he went from bottom 4 to bottom 1 in just a single update!
thx for putting initial changes together.
Great video Broski. Appreciate the explanations and the visuals. Sometimes seeing the buffs and nerfs helps a lot. 🤞🤞 hoping this is true as a Ryu player.
That kim buff is soo cool i was fuming when i labbed and saw you couldn't do heavy launcher into ex airgrab
Oh I was just watching the vod lol
Gonna be a pretty good month
I’m here for A.K.I. only… dats it👀
@17:35 you know you can hold a direction and press reset to change positions right?
Thanks for showing more about why it matters or not, most don't and only talk about it
why would they need to make headbutt + because of that? The spammy nature at which that character is played, I'm glad both his moves might get changed. The fact I have to perfect parry these things to be able to deal with them is dumb. The damage isn't enough to get Honda players to stop spamming the holy hell out of these two moves. Perfect parry punish it, they'll just keep doing it.
Any steps to make Honda less of a POS is a GOOD thing. I like Honda, always have, but have not liked how this character was designed. I think this is the worst version of Honda ever because of how stupid he is. You can watch people headbutt/ass slam all the way to master. High level Honda might not be strong, but in literally every level below it, he's ridiculous.
The Gief stomp thing, by the wording there as I understand it, doesn't that mean you can interrupt the second stomp with that change? It's not a true blockstring from 1st/2nd stomp, this means you can either interrupt it or backdash out of it. A nerf basically.
I don't think you understand the Gief change. The stomp RIGHT NOW isn't a true blockstring. Broski tested it in this very video.
Gief's stomp didn't get a gap added to it, the people who play-tested must've thought it did cos no one uses the move
Broski detective mode !
I wonder if Jamie meter was needed, you can build about 1 1/2 bars if you do a burnout combo
big if true for sure
The difference is Gief's cmd grab has 1 frame of start up
That Gief buff is what I've been waiting for, except the stomp not sure whats going on there, maybe they make the stomps a true combo ?
If they did buff drive reversal to -6 Ed's drive reversal punish is so truly terrible now lol. It's already pretty good against him too.
You still can get a safejump against blocked Drive Reversal without spending meter.
I like the raw drive reversal change, if you were going to burn out from a meaty or a safe jump you could do it one wake up to try and get them off of you
I can't believe you actually cut the part that you see Aki's dr overhead is also +2 😭
Need that dark mode on for these videos.
Dhalsim's level 2 is a pile of horse crud. They need to give you the option of having a horizontal moving one like Ultra 1 in SF4, so can get oki and hit point blank crouchers.
Why did they nerf Jamie’s command grab 🤦♂️
Zangief should be the only one with a 5000+ damage grab
@@dragonic22 Jamie has to jump thru 84984757282 hoops tho
@@jonathanarroyo6319but how much damage does your soft ass mf do when he command grabs
@@dragonic22 Is this even comparable? Considering Jamie has to drink 4 times for that to happen.
37:40 the fact that frame meters and details like it arent normally provided in games until recently; I wondered how people discovered sequences like this? I assume you'd have to use math with dustloop entries and in game testing hand in hand?
Suggested buffs for Manon: give her a hadouken, hondas prepatch buttslam and all plus frames on her normals. Ta!
Why bother having a location test for Akuma? He’s just going to teleport away…
Thumbs up for confirmation of the grief finale
Amazing patch if true.
I was upset about the Cammy change but then I remembered I always forget to do that combo anyway lol
They going after meter build and side switches for sure. which I think is fair
Off a few tweets we got a 1 hour video lol
I’m a deejay main and didn’t know about the jackknife being a good punish (I haven’t played a ton to be fair) and now I have like 2 weeks to abuse it before it’s patched 😭😭
Jamie crouching strong buff is huge.
do all chars have a 4-frame jab?
As a honda player this is deserved. It just need a little adjustment on his normal moves
I think they nerfed JP lvl 2 recovery so you can interrupt it more easily if he activates raw. Currently it is -7, so maybe it is around -9 or 10, making it more vulnerable from far away
Bruh... why am i just finding out about Deejay heavy upkicks punishing all these moves right before the patch? lol
Its 6 frames and the range was always insane, and its probably still going to be godlike, don't worry you can still exploit it until the patch
So, after those Aki buffs: Broski winning Capcom Cup confirmed? 🤔
Feel bad for the HondaBros
I always think Honda players are just trolling
Dont
You can feel bad for them but just know they never felt bad for what they did to you in online
@@vortaheadthebeast8072did what? Land predictable headbutt and butthead, get perfect parried and die?
Your sympathy is appreciated.
in HiFight we trust
Really happy they're putting a counter to throw loops in the game.
So no I frames on od headbutt then..
I hope to god those aren't the only Gief changes or SF6 is going to be the last SF game I ever play. I am not dealing with another entire year with how bad Gief and grapplers in general feel in SF6 I already had years of that in SFV and I do not want to continue.
Like I expected massive amounts of changes for every single character and if this whole 1 big patch a year shit they have been harking on turns out to be a warm salad I'm fucking out.
True, Girf was garbage for all of SFV, literally every other grappler was better by a country mile
Bro its a good buff, if they're not careful he'll be top 5 in the game, so many buffs to grapplers make them unbelievably strong and high tier grapplers are never a good thing for fighting games
@@bigjc5546 Its not enough though, he has so many fucking problems and this doesn't really address any of them. He needs a way to actually land headbutt consistently for this to really even matter and he doesn't. Or he needs better defensive tools so 1 interaction doesn't feel like the end of the round. Gief is almost entirely made up of weaknesses and flaws and he feels awful to play if you are in masters rank which I am. Tired of my character feeling like crap at the skill rating I'm in because a bunch of toddlers dont wike the scawy SPD.
Also you would have to do a lot to make him top 5, hes flaws are so glaring and transparent. You and people like you who screech "But we have to be carful or he will be too good" honestly have no idea what your talking about. This fear of grapplers is unwarranted and has happened in like 1 version of like 2 SF games in the last 30 years.
AKI mains 🤝 Chun Li mains
“Please buff our stHP holy shit”
Your twitter home page is burning my eyes brother put that shit on dark mode 😎
I understand they have their own timetables for marketing purposes and whatever, but if the patch is done, and Akuma is done, why do we have to wait three weeks? It’s a little frustrating.
I imagine they leave themselves a buffer for any unforseen halts in development or more bug testing. Nobody wants a patch like tekken 8 that had a lot of bugs and unintended issues
When it comes to development, there's a massive difference between "done" and done. I imagine the SF6 Akuma patch is "done." We don't want "done" though. "Done" is what most Triple A games release as these days. They're technically done, but they are buggy as frick and miserable to play. What we want as players is for the patch to be truly done, which means that the patch has been "done" for a while, but they gave themselves a few months to polish, test, make sure everything is balanced the way they want, and that we won't get any crashes/instability. It does suck waiting, but the long term pay off is a better experience for us and a much smoother launch for them, which equates to better PR for them as well
Even though I'm glad backthrow won't lead to Oki, I know Ken can still get corner switch oki off of perfect parry
Everybody can. That's not Ken-exclusive
Blanka needs some actual nerfs, even not counting the Evo results. At the very least his level 2, but damn he's got everything.
These aki buffs seem strong but in comparison makes sense if her neutral stays ass
Mk change cool tho
So many Sonic Adventure 2 nerfs..
HONDAAAAA NOOOOO
I don't like the Jamie damage nerf on the comand grab, i get that its a lot of damage but Gieff doesn't have to get to lvl4 to do it and Jamie its spending the critical art + the two barrs
Maybe i'm wrong but i feel like he deserve it
Agree completely. Jamie doesnt do big damage anyway, so having that *one thing* doesn't seem unreasonable.
Seems like Marisa is still considered perfectly perfect ^__^ (so far)
Oh man I can't believe Sol got buffed while Zato is still trash wait which game are we speculating about?
Brooooooooo
I noticed no one reported anti airs, but given AKI anti fireball being frame 1, I hope Capcom applied such similar measures to everyone's anti airs.
Hopefully oki is gonna get more standardized too if the backthrow is gonna see universal changes.
Capcom, please pick whether everyone gets throw loops or no one gets throw loops. It's so unfair in the most arbitrary sense.
Broski and Brian_F, scientists
I think the honda buttslam nerf was to eliminate people's ability to spam buttslam > jab >buttslam >jab.
i never found it that strong to begin with, so it's a confusing change. I hope they can fix that character, I love him so much.
It's just obnoxious. That's enough of a reason to get rid of it. It's not strong enough as an actual gameplan, but just obnoxious enough to make gold rank and below miserable.
Poor Honda players, they didn’t need to shoot him like that lmao
Time to just replace him with someone better. Fei long.
Yes they did.
@BoltTheEmolga No they didn't, he was already bottom 4-
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 Honda drowning?! 😦
@@yohan4027 Honda drowned 💀
Hoping Japanese labbing is better than the other regions...
I'd rather wait for S2. I can't take it anymire to translate post that are in Japanese and don't understand anything 😂😂. Also, a lot of people don't know frame date.
Luke needs more nerf or it's gonna be lukecup all over again
TL;DR AKI and Ryu win. Honda got nuked. Luke still S+++ tier. (maybe) (potentially)
20:18 I wanna buy that guy a beer.
I don't trust any of these changes except the very obvious ones. Remember how bad the ed supposed changes were.
pls buff my main (they are already top tier)
light mode 👎
Yet another atrocity from the British. To be expected.
Twitter and RUclips should be light mode, discord should be dark mode
Dark mode for mobile is the way, light mode for PC is acceptable
It's 2024 and we're still caring about how other people use social media? 🤢
@@MinusMadi waawaawaa
Cammy players are imploding because of a few nerfs and actually threatening to stop playing the entire game. Good riddance imo. Really excited for those Aki buffs though
You sound like a typical hater lol
How did they nerf cammy? Im a main so it would be nice to know to adapt
tbh expected a bit more
u cant be expecting everything right now, this is wht people found after ownly a couple hours at most. Like Broski said there is most definately more
@@neon-lake I feel like more foundational or system changes would be found sooner than anything else. Unless this is a specific lite-build, but that's copium to the max
Light mode 👍
I love SF 6 but some of these buffs/nerfs just seem.... distasteful.
I love how Season 2 starts with Akuma and stage launched, which were meant to be in season 1. Why do I feel short changed?
I'm very curious to see how they will improve or fuck Guile up. 1-Being a charge focus character, there is no reason why his crouching weak kicks cannot be cancellable as they were in older SFs. That would improve his low low boom/flash kick mixup options. 1.5- His button links do not feel natural/smooth. The timing is so robotic (tekken anyone?), it makes the level of execution sickenning. 2-He desperately needs his flash kicks reviewed for corner escape. He sucks major balls when trapped there considering he's supposed to be the de-facto anti air subject matter expert. Eliminate (reduce?) forward mommentum for his weak one so that it can no longer be crossed. 3-I would love for him to get his jump-downward boom thingy from SF5 again, albeit with slightly less travel height. I could see this as a very viable alternative to his sobat kick to calm the crouch medium drive rush crack zombies out there some! Everything else can prety much remain the same as far as I'm concerned.
I'm a Honda player so just f*** me I guess (if this is true)
Clockwork Chun season 2 nerf weeping incoming.......6 more years of whining 😂
Most Cammy players dont even use OD spin knuckle to beat fireballs. Heavy should have been nerfed as well. U can react at least to Ryu's fireball u can.
E. Honda is dead lol lmao
There's 100% other buffs there's no way they're just going to nerf an already bad character into the ground lol
Drive reversal buff is so you don’t get DI if you’re late and input drive reversal after block stun ends?
It's on wakeup, so no block stun required. Everyone is essentially getting a metered reversal
@@HellecticMojo nah that’s what I’m saying lol now that you don’t have to be in block stun, you won’t have the problem of accidental DI
@@SpiralKingJah oh, you said "after the block stun ends"
Friggin garbage. Honda needs buffs...not nerfs.