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We can save the planet by making cars weigh 2 tonnes and filling them with toxic batteries.🤔
And charged with electricity generated by burning more coal and gas.
😂😂😂😂
That create a toxic cloud when they burst into flames.
@@gartblaum I read the term "Remote Combustion Vehicles" somewhere and think that describes them more accurately than EV.
The automotive industry definitely jumped on the idea of making cars heavier across the board because it drives up cost in all sectors. Heavier cars means brakes and tires wear out faster, more energy is needed to push the heavy mf, and more high damage collisions happen more often as a result of the increased weight hindering maneuverability in emergency situations, leading to more money spent on insurance, repairs, and new cars.
The solution for remote charging stations is ....... diesel power generators. 🤣
You and I both know you're right that diesel generators are in fact used at many charger sites.
yep 400kW - (Mechanical) per Charge stand...
Well, it appears that NSW currently generates around 13,500 MW (13,500,000 kW)... How many Fast Charging EVs simultaneously can ALL THIS CAPACITY - - presuming a good bit of it is currently used for day to day power needs allowing 300kW per Fast Charger (electrical power, allowing for losses) Lets call that 45k EVs on Fast Charge..
Wonder if ?? - some simple maths, add in some residential and industrial loads... If we have 3M AirCon units chugging away at 3kW (lighting is insignificant, Electric Hot Water is already switchable according to demand)- there is still ~15k Fast Charge electrons in reserve POSSIBLE on the grid at full capacity.
- We can probably provide the power (noting that an EV on "residential power" usually charges at around 3-5kW - not the 200-250kW on a futuristic fast charger) - BUT we definitely need more 500kV interconnects ( ~1000 hectares =2471Acres, of NEW land- easement clearing per 100km) to get the power up the coast and across the centre of this wide brown land.. Land ownership and people disliking HV lines in their back yard, makes trucking diesel across country (or pumping via pipeline) an easier pill to swallow - Let's just provide Elevation assistance as needed to Tuvalu etc.. (sending over shiploads of fresh water - or higher capacity Desalination plants - to avoid emptying their freshwater lens would have helped reduce subsidence - decades ago......
Note also: residential daytime Air-conditioning, energy usage can easily be supplied by solar - obviously this is real infrastructure at landowners expense (Make the most out of one's investment by only exporting what offsets grid connection fees and evening imports
Why not with 120 fuel bowsers and 98 EV chargers Buc-ees in Tennessee in the US does it and the Polestar that did a publicity run from Sydney to Perth had a diesel generator with it to recharge. Fun fact even with the support crew and mechanics the Polestar shit itself part way and had to be flatbedded into Perth. 😂🤣😂 John Cadogan did a story on it so I’m guessing the story is credible.
Or Solarpanels & windturbines (?),🤡🤡
@@mikafiltenborg7572or unicorn farts?
We were never asked if we wanted EVs. Same with UK immigration.
Its past immigration... Its now an invasion.
Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2024 😊
@@mikafiltenborg7572 Which will do nothing to provide normal people with transport which should be the purpose of a car.
Is your crystal ball run on electricity or diesel?
You were asked last election. A vote for the big awful parties is a vote for net zero carbon and net big positive immigration.
@@davidvanderklauw There was no alternative where I live... The choice was big aweful party or big aweful party or the green aweful party...
So I spoiled my ballot.
I wrote 'None worthy of my vote'
Do I want to have to rely on my smart phone to find an available charging site? No!
Do I want to have to rely on my smart phone as my only method of payment? No!
Am I comfortable with my wife using a remote, unattended charging site? No?
Am I comfortable with leaving my vehicle unattended for an hour or so while charging, as I go about my business elsewhere? No!
It's as if all the knowledge of refueling from the last 100 years of gas (petro) stations has been lost or ignored.
Interesting… my Tesla is connected with the Internet, so it knows where the SuperChargers and Destination chargers are.
When I plug into the Supercharger, the car identifies itself with the charger, and the billing to my credit card happens automatically. No smart phone. Is involved.
Hmm… I leave my vehicle unattended while I’m shopping or doing chores all the time. I really don’t understand why you would feel uncomfortable why it makes any difference that it’s also charging at the same time I’m doing my grocery shopping?
As for my wife charging? She buys gasoline for her car now, I’m sure. She’s capable of inserting a charging nozzle into the car. Oh… you’re worried about safety!? Tesla puts in SuperChargers near to where there are restaurants and/or shopping. After plugging in, she could go shopping! (Or sit in the car and watch Netflix or RUclips).
@@adairmartin Confused, I park my truck at the station, go in for restroom break and a coffee (once a week) hand the guy $60 bucks and drive off.. what else are you gibbering about?
@@rrnonya5472 That’s an awfully expensive coffee!
@@rrnonya5472 Confused, I park my Tesla at their Supercharger, no money passes hands, my car is ready to go before I finish my restroom and coffee break...what else are you gibbering on about?
@@rrnonya5472for real. These guys boasting about using a Tesla superchargers are dumb. They get an EV without a daily place to charge at home/work and then go through mental gymnastics about thinks they can do while their Tesla is fast charging 😂😂😂 the biggest benefit of getting an EV is to charge at home every day and start the next day “with a full tank”. You should NEVER have to use a Tesla Supercharger unless you are traveling. If they’re irresponsible enough to get an EV and rely on Tesla Superchargers, they deserve the consequences for their reckless actions. Fast charging can damage the battery too
“Turn off that light switch when you leave the room to reduce energy usage”
“Turn down your thermostat in winter to reduce energy usage”
“Use a lower temperature on your washing machine to reduce energy usage”
…“Buy an EV, which consumes about as much power as half of your street, to save the planet”
🤡🤡🤡🤡
And buy a toilet that uses only one liter of water, but has to be flushed ten times to make the turd go away.
😂😂😂😂
Or stop eating pies from the servo mate :D@@optimisticpessimist484
@@optimisticpessimist484 I've tried 1,000 times but Rishi is still here.
@@andy530i
🤣
Governments around the World are thinking, if EVs don't work, then people can't have cars or travel, end of problem.
Alternatively we could simply abolish Government itself…..as it’s the main problem on Planet Earth….
Yep, that the plan.
110%, eco communism
You have decoded their true agenda.
You are being too generous. It's not "if" EVs don't work, they know full well they are not a replacement for ICE.
Had to get a taxi today, my car was delivered to a garage for scheduled service and maintainance. The taxi was a battery car. The driver and owner of the taxi said that he liked to drive the car and that it worked great on local trips. On longer trips he was not too happy about it because of the range. It's -25C outside today, and he said that the car reported mileage at 50% of maximum range. He also said that the car would not charge to 100% in cold weather no matter how long he had it connected. He said he saved a bit on fuel cost compared to his diesel cars. In Norway electricity is rather cheap, also at charging stations because of tax credit incentives. My reply was, my old Toyota RAV4 diesel would go about the same distance regardless of the outside temps, and I would always get a full tank no matter the temperature. I also told him that outside Norway it might be more costly to operate a battery car as electricity prices are higher and tax incentives lower.
In Norway EV cars cost half or less of other cars due to the idioticly high taxes on cars... In UK a Nissan leaf cost the same as a BMW 3 series diesel, in Norway the same BMW cost more then double.
Government always interferes in the marketplace, distorting it and making it dysfunctional!!
I don’t believe you on EVs costing more. Show your math.
@@williammeek4078 - go cry to Hertz.
To be fair the reason Norway has cheap EVs is because they have so much oil that they have gotten rich from by exporting to other countries over many years. This has in turn allowed them to now invest in and favor EV technologies more than the other Nordic countries. However EVs are still not profitable alone just because there is a lot of them in Norway.
Love how this government can make new problems for itself and us!
Hegelian dialectic
They keep encouraging me to invest into a future abroad where they dont have thse ridiculous bans and requirements
one reason imho it has been hijacked ( our democracy has been)politicians arent in charge anymore ( maybe they we never be) GLOBILISTS are. YES, Albanese is one . Hence piss 450 mill up a wall for a referendum NOBODY wanted
Remember, the goal is to control your life: what you do, where you go, what you eat, etc
It’s what Government does!!
For $1.5m you can either: put in a petrol station with 12 pumps has a peak ability to service 600 cars an hour with $30,000/hr revenue, or.... a 6 EV super charging stations that will charge 8 cars per hour and bring you in $1200 per hour revenue, if you are lucky. The only reason charging stations exist at all is because the government gives them free land. The chargers would not even raise the rent for the space they occupy.
Too bad you calculations fall apart because 95% of charging is done at home or at the destination. So we need only 5% of the charging stations compared to fuel stations.
Complete rubbish! The fuel tanker will run empty in no time. You don't have that concern with an EV.
It's funny but in Australia, the number of public EV charging stations has increased from 464 charging locations, to 800. That's around a 70% increase in the last 12 months. Now I did work in a service station once.
Now 12 EV charging points will take up about 300 sqm, 24 about 600 sqm. No operator required. Lease costs for the site - maybe $1000 to $2000 per month or $1.39 to $2.78 per hour.
For your 12 pumps, you would need around 2000 sqm land and that will cost you around $15,000 per month in lease costs, about $1.25 million to purchase the lease, wages for at least 4 people (1 x 3 8hr shifts plus 1 for backup/overlap/manager) or about $28,000 a month. These figures are real figures. The revenue from this service station (actual service station, regional city) is $6.5 million per year including non-fuel income. That's around $700 per hour in real income and a profit if the servo is well run/lucky. BTH, if you have to borrow 50% of the purchase price of a fuel station, you are never going to make a profit.
Revenue is high for petrol and diesel but profit is low.
Maybe so, I don't live in Australia so I can't comment on costs....but you clearly have no experience of EV ownership. Most EVs are charged at home overnight when rates are cheap so there isn't so much need for rapid charging. When I am on a long trip I never take an hour to charge, 20 to 30 minutes max and my car is now old tech with a max charging speed of 75 kW, newer EV's can charge at 150 kW plus so with one of those it will be a 10 to 15 minute stop to grab a coffee, use the bathroom, add 200 km and I'm on my way. So your idea that 6 chargers could only deliver 8 charges per hour is way off. EV drivers don't hang around on a rapid once the car is up to 80% as its the law of diminishing returns on charging speed and 350 km of range is enough to finish off most journeys if you've already done 300km after charging from home
Imagine charging somewhere in remote areas and you're approached by a team of 5 well behaved locals who just want to get to know you and talk to you about your wonderful EV experience.
And you involuntarily let them try out that ev! What kind fellas!
True hey, and they're well behaved until they get really close then they get very angry because you tell them the battery in your EV is almost out of charge and it's going to take 3 hours to charge back up again. They then storm off in disgust looking to chat to someone who owns an ICE car.
You’re assuming that every nasty mob is after a car.
@@sassy6292you couldn't be more wrong, but whatever.
@@jamessmyth5949 As long as the ICE car doesn't have a manual transmission. That's sure to scare them off too. 😂
Let's not forget that EV charging stations capacity and speed are dependent on how many cars are there. If you have 10 stalls connected to one electrical input source, and one car charging, it'll get the maximum. Add another car and it drops. Add another, same thing.
Whereas with liquid fuel filling stations, each dispender/bowser assembly contains a 22 GPM fuel pump drawing from a large tank (or tanks) underground, and refueling speed is consistent, regardless of how many vehicles are there.
Remember 95% of charging is done at home so you need 95% less charging stations compared to fuel stations for ICE vehicles.
@@rattusfinkus Yeah and all that clean free energy that 95% of homes have.
@@rattusfinkusJust shows that 95% of EV owners have the financial clout to live in a property whick can have provision for personal charging facilties, equally, the cost of buying, insuring and depreciating costs of the EV is probably also of no concern. So 5% of owners are left with the lottery of :
a) being able to get to charger with the charge remaining in the battery
b) hoping (praying) that the charger, when found, is in working order
c) praying again that there is not a lengthy queue
d) they have the correct app to allow charging
e) there is enough food and refreshments available to sustain their stay
f) worry about how much weight they are putting ion at charging stations
That is forgetting the huge carbon footprint for the average EV car outweighs that of an ICE car in the first place and that the charger is not powered by a diesel generator or that the vehicle is not written off by a small insignificant collision, again doubling or trebling the carbon footprint, or worse, increasing the carbon footprint manyfold caused by a spontaneous combustion incident.
@@stevengriffin7873 many homes in Australia have solar and if you have an EV you'd be nuts not to put it on if you can.
@@mellarner8253 EVs become greener than ICE vehicles usually in under 2 years.
A relative is an HGV trunking driver and regularly uses motorway service areas. He regularly sees queues of cars at EV charging points.
However these are rarely more than five or six cars long. If you have so little charge left and cannot reach another charging point and you are fifth in the queue at a bay charging point you could be wating for one or two hours for your turn and than another hour or so to charge up to 80%. Most of his time you have to be in your car to make sure you do not miss your turn. Try managing your journey times and appointments around this.
If you're fourth or fifth in a queue of cars that each take an hour to charge then you might as well buy a camper van! - electric of course......
Tell him to take some video with his phone next time!
@@xraylife The EVangelists would still deny saying he is making it up.
I live in Vancouver Canada arguably one of the safest cities in the world with the most polite people. I go for walks/bike rides all the time right by this gas station down the street from me that has EV chargers installed last year. I have seen several shouting matches and a few fights there and the manager says he calls the cops all the time to break up fights. If people in my country are getting so upset at these chargers I can only imagine what it is like in the USA for example.
@@kellyeye7224- would you sleep soundly knowing that underneath you is 7000 cells any one of which could potentially go into thermal runaway setting off a chain reaction?! I doubt that's a recipe for a restful night.
Your channel is on fire at an even greater rate than EV's. Well done and richly deserved. Cheers
wouldn't get too excited - he's putting out content that goes against the approved narrative - only a matter of time before he starts picking up community violations, demonetized and shadow banned once he's on the algorithm radar.
Everything he says is fundamentally wrong. His estimates of how long it takes to 'charge your car' are incorrect. Yes, if EVERY time you charge your car you are going from 0% SOC to 100% SOC it could well take 30 minutes @250 kW...but no EV owner ever does that. My typical routine is to plug in once a week at home overnight when the SOC gets to around 25%-30%. Do I care if it takes 8 to 10 hours to charge?...No, I'm sleeping ...I take it to 80% overnight so I wake up with another 350 km of range, more than enough for most people's week of driving. That costs me under €5....try filling your ICE tank for that much money!...On long trips I charge to 100% overnight and stop after 2 to 3 hours when I've done about 250 km...that was always my routine in ICE cars anyway. By that time the car is down to between 30 and 40% SOC so I plug in for 15-20 minutes while I grab a coffee and use the bathroom...that gets the car back up to 80% SOC..so I have 350 km of range again, plenty to finish off a 500km drive.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
What a royal PITA that must be.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Totally unsuitable in Australia , where trips are longer and electricity is in short supply and rising in price due to an irrational supporting of unreliable renewable wind and large solar generation instead of coal generation.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Your drive is clearly shorter than mine. Per 5 days of travel my car goes 400km. Also tonight's temperature will get to as low as -18C, which would be dreadful on the batteries with the heater also using up range. EVs need to be better than your experience to meet my needs.
It was on the itv news about a month ago how pathetic it all is. They said EV's in the uk outnumber chargers by over 30 to 1 and it's getting worse not better.
It wouldn't be so bad if they wasn't so laughably slow to charge up, who wants to sit in a scummy carpark waiting for a poxy car to charge up unless you are mental.
The pro ev motoring journalist on the news said they have got reports of EV lemmings waiting up to 6 hours at public chargers.
For anything other than charging from home for short journeys EV's are way too slow to charge up, then even worse after 80%. The battery technology on them is wank.
Real world capacity is 50 to 60% and told to use between 30% to 80% to avoid batter degradation.
This means 50% Of 50%=25%😮😮😮
Mobile fone on wheels 😂😂😂
@@esecallum You can use the battery from 0-100%. But you should charge shortly after discharging and you should continue driving after a full charge to avoid charging states below 20% and above 80% for a longer time.
@@gerbre1 why would I want to do that and waste my time? Why would I buy an EV. What is the point
@@esecallum You don't waste any time if you can charge at home, at work, at the supermarket or any other location where you have something to do in the meantime.
You drive an EV if comfort and sportiness matters to you. An EV is quiet, no vibrations, no stinking, no engine stalling, 1 gear automatic and a fantastic acceleration from the beginning.
An EV is cheap to operate with low maintenance costs and cheap electricity prices. I can charge my EV for 0,25 €/kWh or 3,75€ for 100 km with 15 kWh/100km consumption. Diesel costs 1,62€/Litre in Germany where I live. With 5 Litres/100 km that makes 8,10€/100 km which is more than double compared to the 3,75€ for the EV. If you can charge at home and the EV takes 15 kWh/100 km or 24 kWh/100 miles how much would it cost for you and how much would you save compared to a fossil car?
If you can charge at home and have solar panels on the roof, you can even charge for free or for the costs of the solar panels devided by the kWhs produced over the live time to be precise.
And of course no CO2 or toxic gases are directly emitted.
You don't drive an EV if you often drive long distances without the possibility to fast charge on the route or if you often have to pull a heavy weight trailer which exceeds the allowed tow capacity of the EV.
I live in rural Scotland, we had a 6 unit charging station installed in a central car park this summer, I park near it most days. So far the only time I have seen anyone park a car next to one of the charge points it has been a Diesel when the carpark is otherwise full. The problem is this small town is 75 miles from the next so an EV is hard to sell when a "local trip" is 150 miles return as a minimum. About once a month I need to do 800 - 900 miles in a single day, which I doubt is unique round here. Even if there was an EV that could fullfill my needs I wouldn't even be able to afford the VAT aspect of the purchase price.
We have ppl here in australia for whom 100km is the drive from the house to their gate.
Odd to see someone in Scotland using "miles". How'd that happen?
@@sugarnads a regular 150 mile round trip is an ideal case for an EV, particularly if you can charge at home off peak, you'll save thousands on fuel bill, which is why EVs are popular for high milers.
If only electricity could be liquified and pumped quickly into cars. Perhaps someone will come up with something similar soon.
Electricity can be liquified. It's called e-fuel. However you need 5 times more energy and therefore it costs a lot more compared to direct charging. It is assumed there is no market for it as no one is willing to pay so much more.
Hydrogen cells
@@karlm9584 Hydrogen is also way more expensive.
@@gerbre1 than e-fuel?
@@karlm9584 Hydrogen is way more expensive than BEVs.
Want to experience owning an EV without having to pay for one? Try filling your gas tank with an eye dropper and see if you can adapt to the rate it takes to fill the tank. Now picture everyone filling up to that rate.
Wicked imagination
Love it😅
No, the EV fanboys will deny anything that resembles the truth. I had some muppet say it only takes 15 minutes to charge 😂
@@hobo1704 Hyundais and Kias with 800V system take 18 minutes from 10% to 80%. Of course you can charge only for 15 minutes to gain additional 240 km range.
@@gerbre1 wow, 240km range 🤣
@@hobo1704 240 km drive, 20 min break, 240 km drive, 20 min break and so on.
Saw a vid recently where a uk ytuber did a range test towing a caravan. The van halved his range which was kind of expected, but the other interesting point was that to charge you would need to unhitch the van. Idiocy.
Why is it required to unhitch a trailer to charge?
@@joshcheck7532 Because the charging bay is the length of a car and not the length of an HGV. The caravan would block the road. The EV chargers are usually where the handicapped bays are right next to the door of the service station building.
@@joshcheck7532 Trailer is normally blocking traffic.
@@joshcheck7532 The charging point on the EV was located at the rear & the leads won't reach. OR, the caravan would block the path of other EV users who want to get past it.
@@subwayfacemelt4325 Just try to imagine taking your caravan into any normal car park if you're having problems with the reality of EV charging. Now try it on a bank holiday weekend with EV cars on 50% of the normal range. Please send a Google Maps reference of any Australian charger set up for trailer tow vehicle charging. Plenty of petrol stations can handle it. Something I never even had to plan when towing my boat which I could fill at the same time.
Imagine the amount of land and concrete needed to build massive charging stations to accommodate all those ev wanting to charge. Not forgetting the ones sitting having to wait as well. 🇬🇧
The whole EV con is coming to light with never ending flaws - it will starr to fall apart. I pass a small retail park carpark evryday going to and from work and back in August they installed 4 charging ‘stations’ which is ridiculous considering the size of the relatively small car park. But not only that but they are STILL covered up and not working as of this week… such an effective job, obviously Great video
The 'con' can go on for a very long time, longer than your or my patience limits.
I have seen cons go on for decades without crashing or people still believing lies. Like,
Mainstream media lies
O9/11 lies
Esteen story lies
Odama birth certificate lies
The con is defending a fuel system with an artificial price, and a delicate global supply chain. Oh and if you use the word "Tesla", none of your statements about charging systems means anything.
Simon, You would be aware of the " Twin Servo's " an hour out of Sydney on the pacific Highway. One either side which probably have 50 or more pumps each.
Every weekend and holiday plus many peak times, these petrol stations can not only be full but in holiday time, have a long line of cars out onto the slip road.
How on earth are they going to replace facilities like these which at the outset have vehicles there for 10 Min from the time they pull up till the time they leave the pump with chargers that are going to take 30 Min at very least. Obviously some people will want to fully charge and be there closer to an hour.
50 stalls at even 100KW ea is 5 MW..... on each side of the road. Plus you have the use of the restaurants and whatever in the main facility itself. That alone will take enough power to run a heavy industrial area and it won't even come close to being enough. You would want 3 Times the charging stalls to equal the throughput of vehicles to the pumps as a bare minimum to just be as inadequate as the places are now. No possible way you are going to even get onto a stall in 30 Min PLUS charging time.
That 5 MW per site just blew out to 15MW+ Each, so at a bare minimum, 30 MW for both....... and you will still have long cues, absoloutley longer than now.
You are looking at putting in enough power to run a small steel works or over 1.05% of the biggest thermal power station in NSW... which is slated to be closed next year....... In just 2 facilities! and that would be a fraction of the power requirement for the central coast in EV charging let alone Sydney which that power station also serves! Obviously another power station of similar size is going to be needed to just supply power to the EV's on the central coast and Sydney if they even hit 50% of vehicles and that's not even taking into account the massive power trucks would use.
And this is from a grid where they get on the media and tell you to turn your AC up to a higher temp to cut down on power useage on a hot day! just wait for a wet week in winter!!
This EV garbage is NOT going to happen and with the green mania hell bent on destroying reliable power and relying on the very thing the industrial revolution over came over 100 years ago, the weather, this is all beyond a farce!!
Don't even get me started on the stupidity of the " Charge from Home solar" stupidity. Sure, charge from a 5 KW system at home when the car is at work..... and even if it is at home, what is powering the house while the EV is sucking down everything the soar is generating and pulling from the grid at the same time as well.
Anyone that believes in this EV BS is a brainless idiot incapeable of doing their own critical thinking!
Well said ,and so much more can be said ,stupidity in the extreme
@diecastb sure mate dream on ev buyer
Why is it brainless? The simple solution in Australia is to build coal-powered power stations next to the charging station. You petrolheads need to think outside the box. 10 coal power stations in each city would be enough to do it.
Putting that sort of unbelievable energy consumption into perspective, that is more power than what an averaged sized electric arc furnace consumes. The cost of the transformer and high voltage transmission line infrastructure to make just a small area with 50 chargers will be astronomical.
@@diecastb lot of unfounded IF's in what you say but the bottom line is, the electrical demand from EV's will be massive and the Grid is falling behind in supplying regular demand now. There is NOTHING planned to meet that increased demand and don't give me the Big battery BS because that is STORAGE which is NOT the same as generation nor has the reliability of coal or gas power plants which are weather independent.
Charge anxiety on top of range anxiety
Anxiety, my butt! It is people who have brains enough to know that these cars won't work!!!
Add nag-anxiety from the Fun-limiter in passenger seat
All EV drivers will need stress counseling. 🧚♀️🧚
@@rwlewkoI think it’s people who have enough brains to understand how charging a car works that are fine. It’s a simple process that subtely different to the mentality of going out your way to find a petrol station and paying loads all the time.
The funniest thing is that the same people who pushing for EV are the ones who says you can't have a AC at home coz that monster uses about avg. 0,5kW and thats ends mother gaia, while a car charging at 0,2MW is great coz thats saves it.
Would you travel on the channel tunnel or a car ferry knowing that there is a potential fire bomb EV onboard that could not be extinguished by the the existing fire suppression system?
They are banned on many ferries as their insurance won't cover them if they're allowed on.
Aaaahhh... That's a solid no ..
I've just fuelled up my vehicle with petrol. The whole process took 5 mins. The computer tells me I have a range of 930km. Give me an internal combustion engine any day !!
You forgot to tell us how much it cost.
@@thosoz3431 Filled up my work company vehicle diesel with 192L currently $1.71 AUD cost $328.32. Range is approximately 2,023KM but also carry 40L diesel onboard tray. Love to see an EV complete this work with the weight, outback conditions and towing a 2.3 Ton trailer.
@@JDMJesseee So would I but the tech need to go way further before it can.
I own a diesel Ute with about 750km range and a EV and the EV is preferred for long distance travel. ICE still has a future for commercial vehicles and outback travel but EV passenger cars are already the best choice for the new car buyer.
I love the journalism involved in this subject! "The *blistering* pace has moderated..."
The blister has burst and now infection has set in …
Those creative writing classes are really paying off for them.
I drive around 30Km per week and wonder how forcing me to scrap my perfectly good ice to drive an ev can save the planet. Insane!
My wife is the same, and I'm not too far behind her.
EVS are destroying the planet due to toxic metals mining. EVS must be banned.
Most people drive more than 18 miles per week. If you are only driving 18 miles per week then you shouldn't scrap your current vehicle. I'm retired and drive infrequently and I still put 50 miles a week on my car ( about 7 miles per day average).
Who is forcing you 😂
Nobody is forcing you to scrap your ICE. They are just being phased out which will take like 100 years. You will be long gone by then...
MGUY Australia = bloody legend
....and what happens during blackouts, and our failing grid system. The future indicates a worsening power supply and increasing costs.
Petrol pumps don't work without power either. No I am not an EV fan but your statement does not make sense
@@christinehede7578 No, they don't, which is why many of them have generators.
With no power petrol stations stop working but I can still charge off home solar
seriously?@@rattusfinkus
@@davidbrayshaw3529 and the ones that don't?
Nobody wants to use public chargers. Its a "last resort" situation. On top of that the power draw is ridiculous. A single ev charge park can pull the power of a village. The cost of that the station has to eat is insane. And people complain about "high bills" during summer. Imagine your power bill if you had to pay the bill of you and your entire block
Yes. I've been telling the pure-plug-in zealots for years: "No one wants to charge outside the home."
That means two things:
1. Range matters (600 miles EPA range minimum, or the market won't be captured).
2. Long trips would still be taken only with vehicles running on gasoline.
Getting to the point of putting a generator in the boot for long trips, hybrid@@aliendroneservices6621
You have no idea what you're talking about. Public rapid chargers are for trip continuance only. They consume a tiny amount of the total energy for driving an EV.
@@nisonatic Your logic is incorrect. The majority of EV owners DO live in cities, as do most of the population of any country.
No one in government takes a moment to even think about a real-world problem like this, with the result that national is set more by political ideology and faith in narrative spinning than in grid-level power engineering.
They are science illiterates and have degrees in art and other useless subjects and corrupt advisors tell them what to do
They have thought about it and they know exactly what they are doing. They've made it clear that "15 minute" cities are their goal.
We voters keep re-electing dunces and we then act surprised when they do dumb things. Ever thought about voting for a wise and decent candidate?
Don't forget in the summer when the kids are off school the chargers had queues over 7 hours long. Nice place for your summer holidays - the car park of a motorway service station.
Not Tesla!
@@justsomeguy934 Yes it was tesla too. More cars than chargers no matter the brand of car.
They’re dumb for getting an EV without having a place to daily charge then. If they’re going to make such a reckless decision then they should suffer the consequences. Fast charging can ruin your battery too if they rely on public charging
@@thehairygolfer Charging queues for Teslas are very rare; after 9 years, I've never waited to charge. Tesla is keeping up with its demand on building chargers.
@@JacksonWalter735 Whoa, Nelly. People aren't "dumb" for buying an EV without daily charging. Almost ALL EV charging is done at home/residential, but it's not impossible as an apartment dweller. You go to a weekly fill-up just like you do at a gas station, with a longer refill time.
There are some government subsidies for charging stations, but to date, most have been funded from private equity. What you and many others are missing is that the stations require transformers and the lead times on these are typically years! You can't just decide to install a station. Furthermore, we are closing in on the limits of existing grid infrastructure, so that adding new high demand transformers stands to require grid upgrades that can make the pr9ject completely unfeasible. There's also an increasing demand for copper that will raise the metal price, making everything more expensive.
Yeah, regrettably this feeds back into the 'infrastructure isn't ready yet'.
Them transformers are specially made overseas and shipping costs are enormous. Imagine all of the added towers and overhead high voltage transmission lines needed to make this feasible.
Big transformers have tons of copper in them - yet more waste and degridation of the planet to feed this insanity.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 Sabine did a piece on the infrastructure. Globally, it would cost about $27T to get just the grid up to par to support a global EV demand (and charging stations on top of that, IIRC). There was another article on the problem with the economics of charging stations, especially because the hardware is very expensive and e- delivery is *way* too slow right now!
EVs are great for city use by rich people, but the governments really should stop pushing them. They could be spending the incentives monies on infrastructure for transportation, water supply and renewable electric generation. If the electrons are cheap enough, they'll price gasoline out of the market. Incentives are effective at prompting social change, but in many countries, they're being put on the wrong items. The auto manufacturers are simply appropriating the incentives with overpriced product offerings, so that spend isn't getting to consumers. This has been a boon to Tesla, but their party is just about to sing its swan song.
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Fun almost-irrelevant story: When fiber optics were invented, the phone companies in the USA said "Wow, we can replace all the copper with fiber, then sell the copper, and we'll make enough selling the copper to pay for installing the fiber!" What they didn't realize is they were the companies that were buying the vast majority of the copper, so the price plummeted as soon as they went to sell it.
Moral: All this sort of cause-and-effect trouble is way more complicated than you can analyze just by looking at one or two things.
Interesting that in this era of "global boiling" at midday today, exactly midway through Summer, it was only 16C in parts of Sydney. 🥶
16c? How will you mitigate hyperthermia and frostbite?
Minus 12 were I live. So not too cold yet.
Looking forward to the coming 'global furnace'. 😂
I think global warming means the entire planet, not just parts of Sidney.
Beware the ice age cometh!
Having been into radio control cars. Planes. Helicopters etc my entire life I know that fast charging batteries is the best way to drastically reduce the life time of your batteries. Always better to trickle charge them. Presumably it’s the same with EVs. Fast charge all the time and knock 10 years off the life of your battery.
My iPhone has “optimized charging” which slow charges the battery overnight to prolong its life.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Your cordless drill or phone is not a sophisticated EV battery. Geez.
@JaxTellerRC: Retired EE agrees completely. Anyone who designs or works with batteries
composed of Li-ion cells understands the limits, And the need for battery management
systems to limit operation is excessive charge/discharge currents. If you exceed the limits
of the cell chemistry, you will learn.........the hard way.
@@justsomeguy934 There's nothing more sophisticated about an EV battery. He knows exactly what he's talking about. And there's plenty of evidence already showing up that EV batteries die in as little as 1 year after being rapid charged too often.
The laws of chemistry don't magically change because of "sophistication".
Electrical batteries are a horribly inefficient way to store energy. And they always will be.
@@Cdaragorn "There's nothing more sophisticated about an EV battery. He knows exactly what he's talking about. "
Really? A battery has no moving parts, uses a stable electrolyte, lasts 300,000 to 500,000 miles before degrading to 80%, and it's more sophisticated than, say a car engine? I'm not sure what your point is, you weren't clear.
By all means, show your "plenty of evidence" that EV batteries die in a year. I can absolutely prove otherwise. RUclips will delete any comment with an external link, so I can supply you with deconstructed links if you need.
Oh and please explain why batteries are "horribly inefficient" at storing...ELECTRICITY. I'm not sure I know of any other means of storing...ELECTRICITY. Do you have a supply of dilithium crystals for the USS Enterprise or something?
EV charging points need maintenance or repairs which obviously costs money. In the UK some supermarket installations started off all sparkly but quickly started to have the 'Not in use' signs appearing as they developed a fault. Service maintenance costs very quickly became an unwanted burden that some supermarket chains found unattractive.
Service station bowsers need maintenance and repairs. The servo I use currently has 25% of its petrol pumps out of action.
Tesla really was the only one to figure this out. To sell cars, you need chargers, so we'll install chargers too. Then since it's all together, we'll tell people how busy the chargers are, whether there's any broken, and build the routing software to account for that.
Did you hear about how the Tesla chargers worked during this weekend's cold snap in America? The chargers stopped working but the Tesla app kept directing drivers to these stations. Imagine getting there with almost no charge and finding out the chargers don't work. Thanks Elon. Please get your brain implant. Actually, weren't they supposed to have rolled those out by now? I guess it's just like his Hyperloop, Boring Company and Robotaxis. The man's a pathological liar extraordinaire.
@@bunsw2070 By all means, tell us how the Tesla chargers failed in cold weather. Given that I've charged in all kinds of weather at a Tesla Supercharger, and that the Tesla mapping system has been dead-accurate with how many stalls are operating and available, I'm VERY INTERESTED in your information.
Enlighten us with your PROOF, please. Prove that you're not confusing an Electrify America or EVGo system with Tesla. I can show you videos taken by EV channels where their Rivian went to multiple non-Tesla charging stations, all of those stations reporting "live", but wouldn't charge in the cold.
Elon lets his imagination run before it can walk!!😂@@bunsw2070
Fast charging will degrade batteries much faster too, they get really hot.
It also wastes power in higher electrical losses. For a fixed sized plant those losses go up as the square of the power drawn. Or to keep losses the same material required for a similar design go up as the square of energy delivered.
It depends on how well managed the batteries are. The degradation has been studied, and after 100K miles it tends to be in the 1% range, below statistical significance.
@@darrennew8211 This would literally defy scientific laws. And has been proven false as we get to see actual cases over time. There is a recent case where someone using it for Uber over the last year had the battery completely die on them and then Tesla claimed that always fast charging it was battery abuse and refused to cover it under warranty.
And the worst part is Tesla is right. Fast charging is extremely damaging to batteries. One problem with the "studies" is that this damage isn't linear. It happens much more suddenly when it finally dies.
@@Cdaragorn interesting case, did that also involve charging to 100% vs 80%?
1st and some 2nd gen batteries sure and probably cheap batteries; but modern BMS mitigates this to ~2% loss (vs 6-10%) in conjunction with modern batteries.
Nicola sturgeon's flagship hybrid ferry runs on diesel (you tube ) as battery will cost 1.5 million pounds to replace and will take 18 months to replace. Scottish ferries.
"A hybrid electric ferry hailed by Nicola Sturgeon is now only running on polluting diesel because a £1.5million battery is taking 18 months to replace. The MV Hallaig was the first in the world to use a system which cut carbon emissions by 20 per cent when it was launched in 2012.
"But the battery broke on the £10million vessel in September and bosses have admitted it could be April 2025 before it’s fixed because the replacement part is no longer available."
Meanwhile in the US , Hertz have just removed 20,000 EV's from their fleet. They have replaced them with ICE models.
So have Sixt
When it Hertz put ICE on it.
Yeah - the reality is that this is a business decision based on the benefits of electric. As a rental dealer, they don’t benefit from cheap fuel. And people are less likely to hire electric when they don’t know what’s around.
@@Audioremedy0785 They were very clear and open about why they made the decision. It had nothing to do with not seeing benefits from anything. The EVs were much more expensive to maintain.
Every EV owner just assumes they don’t have to pay for electricity to charge their cars. They also assume that electricity prices aren’t going to be jacked up through the roof in the future
Why would anyone build EV charge stations when you know you’re going to lose money?
because they are not going to lose money
And yet they are being built, at least all over Europe and Tesla certainly do make money from them. The big money losers are the oil companies who are seeing petrol and diesel sales dropping off a cliff in Norway, Sweden, Netherlands...as EVs become a bigger and bigger percentage of cars on the road the decline of the oil industry is inevitable...and a good thing for everyone.
Carbon Credits.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Aren't the plastic bodies of EV's made from products of the petro-chemical industry? and...The global appetite for oil is set to reach an all-time high this year, with purchases growing by nearly 40 per cent. Battery electric vehicle (BEV) adoption, expected to make up over 10 per cent of global auto sales, has not curbed oil consumption.
According to a report by Morgan Stanley, the dichotomy between the rise in electric vehicle purchases and increased oil demand challenges conventional expectations.
Norway, boasting the highest EV penetration globally, serves as a compelling case study. Despite EVs constituting 80 per cent of new auto sales, the country's oil usage has not collapsed.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Norway is reliant on the wealth fund built from selling oil and gas in order to subsidise those EV sales. That golden goose will lay fewer eggs eventually.
I have been many years in several Aust govt elect supply authority & in a department where new supply is regulated from ie new development upgrades & building. I can unequivocally tell you there is nowhere near enough capacity now or in 10 yrs. They think you can put a 50mm garden hose on in your backyard when the water pipe from the street is 12.5mm & run 12 lawn sprinklers. It can be done but who is going to pay to rebuild underground & overhead in all major cities ? Under bore city streets, thousands of bigger transformers from massive 300mva substation units to units in buildings. No high rise transformer can support 200 cars jumping on at 30-40 amps each at 5pm & let’s face it ev owners always plug their cars in. Good luck finding room to upgrade Pitt St
80% of EVs are charged at home in the garage. People who are not wealthy and do not own their own home are not meant to have a car in the future.
@@jackmorganfiftyfiveThose Australian streets still need that upgrade. NSW,Vic authorities already load shed in summer for hot days on A/C’s so try adding cars onto it & yes I’m fully aware of relay knock on switching yet it’s massive draw regardless. Europe is yet another big issue for Europe. All street parking out in the cold (depleted battery from low temps). It’s a mess of an idea. Hybrid & then onto Hydrogen eventually once tech catches up is the only answer.
@@jackmorganfiftyfive You didn't read a single thing he said. He's literally talking about everyone trying to charge at home.
Apparently GM has shut down their EV production (or stalling it) because demand is falling off.... you know, because consumer enthusiasm for fully electric vehicles as a whole isn't there!
GM's Zero plant is still running here in Detroit, I will have to ask my buddy how many hours they are actually up and running. When they made the Volt in the same plant, they only operated a few hours a day, four days a week, sometimes only two days a week, and that was it. I would imagine it is back to those same hours. And there has been at least two battery related fires there in the past couple of weeks. One was reported, the other was not. I am sure there have been a few, and we will never hear about them.
Then why is Tesla expanding their factories? And building new ones?
@@adairmartin Why is Dunkin Donuts selling coffee? The man said "GM" You do understand they are 2 different companies? See, a squirrel.. 🐀
@@rrnonya5472 Just because GM is seeing a lack of demand for THEIR EVs does not equate to a lack of demand for ALL EVs.
Central Spain here (Madrid). Not only have they stopped installing new chargers but now they don't even maintain the ones they have, many of which are simply not working. I use to drive from Madrid to Valladolid (198 Kms) and now it is common I have to go to 3 or 4 chargers to find one working. It's simply becoming impossible to drive an EV outside of the city. I can't wait for the day I return it and get a hybrid car (230 days still to go 😢)
Now this is INTERESTING, MGUY is highlighting something that very few of us would ever consider, goodonya brother keep bringing the good stuff
The bigger underlying problem is grid capacity.........for Australia......if we replace all our gasoline and diesel consumption with electricity the grid would need at first glance, an increase in capacity of 70%. BUT........electrical grid systems have "Apparent power" and "Reactive power"..........which is equivalent to a schooner of beer.......not all the volume of the schooner glass is beer,a chunk of it is useless froth. The Aussie grid would in fact need a 100% increase in capacity.........generation,poles and wires,substations, down to the street transformers. Really big $$$$.........but hey, who doesnt want to see their power bills double with grid expansion infrastructure charges added onto the normal bill.
Exactly. The UK government keeps on going on about decarbonizing the grid by 2050, but in the last 30 years low carbon electricity has gone from about 20 per cent (mostly nuclear power) to about 40% on average, nearly half of that still coming from nuclear power. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that they're never going to meet existing demand with low carbon electricity, let alone power a whole new generation of EVs and electric boilers as well. (The electric boilers, expensive to buy and run, bulky, noisy and not very warm, are supposed to replace gas boilers). It's all smoke and mirrors, the politicians haven't got a clue what they're doing.
@@philiphumphrey1548
You are correct. Politicians never pulled a power engineer into a conference room for even a feasibility study. They said "let's mandate EV's and sort out all the impossibilities later."
You are 100% wrong on all your statements. No, 100% more capacity would NOT be needed, please cite your source (I already know your source...it's something you "read" somewhere). First, 95% of all EV charging is done off-peak, at night, with no concurrent demand added to the grid. Second, of that 95% of EV charging, it can be done using house current. No rapid charge required.
@@justsomeguy934
Waa waa waa...
@@optimisticpessimist484 you can do better than that, can't you?
There are cheaper ways of installing EV chargers - a bank of diesel generators will cost a fraction of the costs quoted.
Hmmmm, let's buy Ev's to save the planet, and then charge them from diesel generators🤔
Once Tesla open up their network to all EVs, another of their USPS disappears immediately (and as their claimed range predictions have now come under scrutiny, this further diminishes their appeal to the potential car buying public) and the chances of using their Superchargers without queuing will narrow exponentially with the massive increase in demand, for Teslarites as well as those idiotic enough to buy an EV.
It’s a pity somebody hasn’t invented a cheaper, more practical, widely available, more efficient alternative to EVs.
Oh hang on a minute, how about Fossil Fuel?
Yea right but here in NZ the cost of low octane 91 is $3.00 a litre in Auckland
your statements are baseless. After nine years of Tesla's YoY growth, I've never waited to charge. Wait, maybe Tesla keeps pace with its sales when it comes to chargers? Could that be happening? Funny thing, planning.
Hang on a minute, how about fossil fuel? Hmmm...physical fuel that must be carted to purchase points. Highly explosive, artificially priced, wastes about 75% of its energy as heat when it's burned. Oh and the tailpipe emissions will kill you.
No thanks.
Fossil fuels are more expensive than renewable electricity. They are less practical than EVs as you can’t charge at home. And they are less efficient to the extent that they are non renewable. Oh and we are running out of them!
Its a battle between realism and ideology. Engineers live in the real world because thats where their solution lie. Unfortunately, the people who make the decisions like local authorities, are often in those jobs for ideological reasons. They have a kind of infantile way of seeing the world. To them, economics has no input as even if it means having to have permanent subsidies thats ok because it meets their ideological objectives.
So true. Unfortunately we are already well along the road to serfdom.
Well said.
If you want a disaster, have non-technical people make technical decisions.
@@ghost307 Boeing is a case in point - who needs bolts on a plane door, why employ a western engineer when an Indian can do your MCAS software for $7/hour, and pressurized bulk heads let the sub-contractor drill the holes anywhere they want.
@@xraylife True; however you get the same result if you have the best Engineers, but let beancounters and MBA make the final decisions.
You are right about the local authorities. However we voted them into power. The fault is ours.
I've never understood why they build chargers like car parking spaces. It makes it impossible to queue for a charge, so fights over 'who's next' is inevitable. If each charging station had a queue and an in and drive straight through out it would remove this issue, and the issue of having to unhitch a caravan while charging. Once charged you would just drive forwards straight out.
HAVE YOU SEEN HOW NARROW mCDONALDS DRIVEWAYS ARE...
Bean counters ruin everything.
Drive through, then offer slow food franchises. Table service to the car like the Flintstones movie setup.
They need planning permission and wouldn't get it easily - hence the stall idea with no canopy to keep the sun or rain off.
Charging can take hours, so people leave their cars. You could end up behind a car that is parked for a day with no way to get out forward or backward! And if the battery went into thermal runaway while charging, then you don't want to have parked anywhere near it!
@@alafrosty Charging takes 18-40 minutes to 80% SoC at high power chargers and not hours.
The level of power required for large charging stations requires a electrical SUB-station to be installed and, preferably, connected directly to the nearest pylon/pole. I get the impression that this main cabling requirement is being passed on to the grid providers who are having to do this as a 'service' (i.e. unpaid) and then passing on the costs to the domestic consumer rather than charging the EV power station providers.
An example of putting incentives ahead of the technology. And an example of not thinking it all out (either by ignorance or ulterior motives)
@benpoe4335: Likely both.......
I wish this was true, our local out of town shopping area has just installed 12 units in one corner, taking out at the same time to fit them, 36 spaces. 36 essential spaces at busy times.
And the bonus, in the 3mths they've been installed, they've probably had only 12 cars use it. Lunacy.
@@mablesfatalfable6021 Did you even read the title of the video?
Another great video exposing this EV BS.
EV + Heat Pumps + AI Datacenters. There is no way energy grids can handle this increase in demand.
Yesterday people in Alberta Canada were told to to lower their thermostat and turn off lights, it was -35C and the energy grid was about to collapse.
Once no company will ensure, repair, store, park or transport EV's they will be costing the owner "at least" $10,000 each just to get rid of them. Then they will collectively become the biggest TRUE environmental disaster ever recorded. This is coming just around the corner.
Like getting married, EV's are a risky investment.
Married to an EV Robot may be better option BJ
EV charging is not that simple. A 250 kW charger is not always twice as fast as a 125 kW charger. The maximum charging speed is higher, but your vehicle cannot charge at the maximum speed when it's almost empty, almost full, or when the temperature is not right. At a gas station, you can have 5 liters left and fill up to 40 liters in five minutes, so from 12.5% to 100% in five minutes. In an EV you want to try to stay between 20 and 80%. And with a powerful charger you might be able to do that in half an hour. But you cannot compare it with a gas station. If you push your battery too far, it will take you a lot longer to charge your EV. So, drivers not only have anxiety to drive to 0%, but if they have to charge at a fast charger, driving down to below 20% is already going to cost them a lot of extra time.
Hi flow diesel takes me around 2 minutes for 70 litres. Around 700km range.
Not exactly… on road trips, I try to arrive at the Supercharger with a little less than 10% to get that 250kW speed as much as possible. The Nav knows it’s going to the Supercharger, so it preconditions the battery so that it can take the charge at the max speed. It is true that charging slows as the battery fills up, so I typically don’t charge over 70% because it actually faster overall to leave at that point, and drive to the next supercharger and arrive at a 10% state of charge.
We're all still missing the elephant in the room.... they still make the stuff out of coal... 🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌
I considered placing one at my business, which has a large parking lot. However, even considering government subsidies, It was going to cost an estimated 250,000USD, just for the chargers. This did not even account for the infrastructure I'd have to supply to power them. There is no way this would be remotely profitable within a reasonable amount of time.
But you would be saving the environment. You can't put a dollar value to that!
@@kevalincowri586 Cobalt miners and lithium fires may disagree.
@@kevalincowri586 then you pay for the charging stations if you truly believe that.
Would you be placing chargers to benefit your employees? Who would be there all day? You don’t need Superchargers, just install Level 2 chargers like someone would install at their home. They don’t need to be able to charge in 20 minutes if they are going to be there 8 hours!
@@adairmartin Why don't you spend your OWN MONEY? Always a plan to spend SOMEONE else's money!
The Wall Street Millennial channel also discusses the issues in their video, "Why All EV Charging Companies Are Losing Money."
Do not forget the real hero in EV charging situation. The diesel powered generator for rural and outback EV charging. A large quality gen set in not cheap to purchase. But if you are going to travel away from a capital city or large regional city...The diesel generator will become very important.
I do find electric bbq's useful though. Gotta cook that red meat.
The real hero.What are you on?diesel gens run on fossil fuel,embicile.Isnt that defeating the purpose of going green.Duh.
@@user-ny6bv1ew4c The beauty about using a diesel generator in out back and rural locations is that the extra carbon dioxide, water vapour and carbon particles are quickly absorbed by the local flora and greens the scrub around the generator. Certainly helps going green.
Actually, there are only a relatively small number of locations where the 5 megawatts is directly available. These are near substations, which may not be anywhere near where the charging station is desired Some small towns MAY NOT HAVE ANY LOCATION WHERE 5 MEGAWATTS IS PRESENTLY AVAILABLE. (without MAJOR expensive transformer additions!) This is going to get very EXPENSIVE very quickly!
Oh, so the charging stations in rural Kansas and Nebraska that I've charged at don't exist?
@@justsomeguy934No moron, they are RARE that's all. You will find this out if you drive off the well beaten path much. The koolaid tastes great, eh?
Apparently in some UK locations, thieves were cutting and stealing the charging cables just for the copper value. Huge $$$$$ damage for a few bucks worth of copper.
EVs are not the answer. Chemical batteries are very poor at storing energy. Weight for weight diesels holds 5000% more energy and does not go into thermal runaway in a volcano of toxic gasses.
They have another challenge -- the resale market. People will wise up to the horrific costs of the inevitable battery replacement, as well as the lack of range performance in inclement (both heat (A/C) and cold (range)) weather both of which can reduce the range as much as half in cold and a quarter with AC. As more-and-more figure that out, the demand for used EVs will start to plummet.
A local business owner here in PA bought all into the EV BS, bought an f150 ev. He was not very happy about the range and put in a twin charging station at both his grocery store and his restaurant. He was excited to do so due to all the subsidies that were offered by the state. He was told by a representative that more than 50% of the cost would be refunded. It took 6 months for the electric company to get the equipment they needed for the two 800A services required for the chargers to be hooked up. During that wait period he was informed by the Rep. From the state that they would not get a refund or tax break because he was just outside the required distance from the closest interstate road and he no longer fit the minimums get the benefit, I don't think he will ever get in the black on the chargers....
He should have done his research 😂 it’s his fault for going all in on EVs and for not making sure he can get his charging stations subsidized. He deserves to suffer the consequences for his reckless actions
@@JacksonWalter735 actually the guy is quite smart and had everything researched and approved, the grant consultant was the one advising him, but in the time it took the power company to upgrade the lines coming to the new buildings and get the equipment needed to install the 800 amp services, transformers and CT cabinets. The goal posts were moved and he got screwed.
I keep hearing within the next 10 years the majority of people will be driving EVs. Who are these people?
Not me, I am not home 15 hours a day to charge my car...
Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2024
People with a brain know a EV is more safe than a gas car
OH DEAR, who would have thought.
Our smart govt needs to employ 100,000 mice on tread mills which could generate 5 mega watts of power at each charging station.
Gonna have to feed, water, massage, entertain the mice. Then they'll join a union, cost of cheese will sky-rocket...
At a realistic continuous rating of 0.2 Watts per Olympic-standard mouse, you would need 25 million mice per charging station. Peak output might provide a fast charge, but could they maintain that for a full 30 minutes?
Just trying to be of assistance to a guy with "watts" in his name. 🙂
On the plus side, the carbon footprint of, say, 125 million mouse poops per station per day would provide plenty of plant nutrient, so be good for the planet overall. Given our government's propensity for putting a positive spin on U-turns, they could probably sell that as a good idea.
Don't be silly, mice don't have the energy to generate the required wattage for fast charging, upgrade to hamsters and guinea pigs. The obvious solution is to fit pedals in front of every seat in an EV and have the passengers pedal all the journey and keep going at the charging stations to support the rodents. There, I've solved it. Where's my Nobel prize?
In addition to the power generating rodents, we could as a back up plan offer a team six horses to hitch onto your EV to get you home if you’re located within 10km radius. Really there are so many solutions to these EV problems. Even offer 2,000 lithium battery (torch size) packs at the service stations, probably take while to install plus 😮😮😮😮a bit expensive atm.
@@grahamwatts8836 Absolutely, great idea! We should start a political party together and get that into law. We just need to make sure that the horses are fed and watered ready to go at all times, you know like your EV needs to be when you have an accident at home and need to get to the hospital quickly.
See, just as the EVangelists always say, it'll all be fixed in the next release, no problem. I don't know what we were bothered about, it's roses and chocolate all the way running on fairy dust.
Just like the next release of Windows, all the problems and vulnerabilities will go away and no new ones will be introduced at all, never ever. 😁
In the UK the grid capacity has reduced over the last few years , due to closure of a number of power stations . This has produced insufficient capacity at peak times , the massive increase in the building of new homes has obviously put more strain on suppliers . So to assume the ability of the electricity supply to continue to meet the extra demand , is just not going to happen . Unless new power stations are brought on line , the situation will only get more problematic .
One thing that I don't often see clearly mentioned, is that there may not be enough electrical infrastructure near by because charging stations co-exists with existing service stations along a highway far from any existing cities or towns. Here in Denmark we have had charging stations along highways, that required 20-30 km of new, very high capacity, power cables to be established. Paid for, in part, by the company installing the charging stations. That's a huge cost up front before you start earning money.
My local bus company has one electric bus. Nice ride too. I spoke to the driver, and he made the same point. They would get more, but the grid couldn't handle overnight charging for...wait for it...160 busses. No wonder. That would be a small town of electricity! The chargers' installation would cost, on Mguy's figrures, about $16 million! That assuming 2 busses would be handled by one charger overnight.
I hope you wear a fire suit.
Perhaps the bus company could increase the cost of a ride from say $2-50 to say $5000- .
Peak Demand Charging Rates, there was a cold snap here in North Texas homeowners who were on flexible rate electric then found it cost them around $900 USD to charge their EV
Maybe they choose the wrong rate and not the wrong car.
When calculating demands from chargers, the total demand can only be 80% of the transformer capacity. Also, heavy truck charging wants 1.2 to 2.0MW. So, put in a bunch of 350kW vehicle chargers and a few truck charging bays and that’s a LOT of demand. Consider that a 35MW transformer station (yes, a full station coming from high voltage transmission lines) will be able to supply 28MW of infrastructure.
A 35MW transformer station costs $12 million USD. That doesn’t include the station or the chargers or interconnection to grid, etc. So looking at maybe $20 Million for a large car/truck charging station. Loan interest on $20M at 5% is $1 million a year.
In what world does this make economic sense?
Here in Alberta it's been around -40 for the past week(this is normal for our area, happens usually twice per winter). A couple days ago for the first time in my life we got an alert saying the power grid was near failure and we needed to conserve electricity(no doubt the green agenda's effects on our power grid).
I have a feeling no one was using EVs for this past week around here.
Will you vote for the same people next time?
Thanks for the analysis. I doubt very many EV car owners realize this. I always see video's of them complaining how much it cost to "fill up" at one of these stations and/or how hard they are to find.
they all expect it to be free. they are saving the planet, and all of that.
Those videos are clickbait. Most people with EV's charge at home cheap overnight, only ever use a public charger during a long journey over say 250 miles and are just getting on with their lives. No drama. There will be queues on holiday weekends most likely, when all the YTubers will come out to film them. I drive about 12K miles a year in an EV and have not been in a queue yet, except for when the exit lane was blocked by a queue of cars waiting for petrol during a shortage.
The problem@@XenonJohnDwith EV charging is not the people who already have EVs and can charge at home, its the millions of ICE owners who dont have the ability to charge at home if they bought an EV. In the UK the best estimate is that 40% of all homes would not be able to charge at home beacuse they do not have the ability to install a charger. For example they don't have a drive, off street parking, or live in an apartment. At the moment public charging in the UK costs between 40 pence per kWh for Tesla supercahrgers, to 90 pence per kWh for other charging companies. Even at 40 pence that works out at the same cost per mile for an EV as a raesonably efficient petrol car.
Well only about 30% of the population in the US own their home and can charge their car's at home if they wanted to. So maybe only 30% of the population can afford to "go electric". Which is fine but a lot of politicians are pushing for everyone to go electric. How do we make that happen? Buy a house for everyone? Fine but we cant even build enough houses either. I think for the foreseeable future we have to use all the forms of power we have available. It takes time to build this stuff....we should give it some time.@@XenonJohnD
Slightly off topic but have they ever dropped one of these things into a river I assume it could be a shocking experience.
Yes... The Tesla actually started to burn under water.
Here a charging stations, the energy supplied by diesel powered generator.
Don’t worry you can build more EV stations with diesel powered generators if you are lack of supply in electricity.
Great content, thanks for sharing.
I just drove from Canberra to Perth and back (8k kms/12days) saw thousands of trucks, cars and caravans but not many charging stations. How the hell do these green dreamers think they can electrify all of these vehicles and have enough stations literally in the middle of nowhere to keep them all running to schedule- especially the trucks. This trip really opened my eyes to this ridiculous, expensive and logistically impossible plan.
My local pharmacy are already experiencing problems with range of their new EV. The charge lasts less than the daily business, so cannot complete a full shift. And that's just driving in residential streets in a small town.
@@diecastb sorry meant 12 days. Still exhausted from the trip 😂
Fabulous vid
Very concise
Thank you
20 million cars in Australia will require 10 million recharge stations.
Keep up the good work.
It keeps all the confused, uneducated old farts here instead of cluttering the serious discussion channels.
Much appreciated. 😊
Nice vid. Short, accurate, to the point. You summarize the fundamental issues surrounding EV public charging in a clear and concise format.
I wonder about the liability of these charging stations as EV's have caught fire charging in the past. Their insurance cost might be huge
from what I've read its also the cost as well ,those with home chargers are the lucky ones
Not in California. We have the highest electricity rates in the country.
EVs only really make sense for the daily commute for those that can charge at home, preferably from solar. But then you need to own at least one more vehicle for the practical driving, especially in places like Australia, and stomach the huge depreciation and sky high insurance costs.
@@fredparker6836 I remember the public out rage when gas went to $1.01 a gallon in CA..
In the mean time us Brits were paying around $5 a gallon.
Only agents of fortune could afford it.
a great album - still have it
They can always build a network of small coal or gas fired power plants, or even diesel generators (as Tesla's mobile chargers), to serve their needs :-)
Simon, I have tried explaining the huge amount of power required for such a basic roadside EV station to people and they do not "get it". 5 megawatts using your example is going to require a massive cable from the nearby grid,if there is one capable of delivering that value,,,, to the stations network. For example,on most interstates in the US setting this up will require running pylons into the areas to get the HT lines available for starters, and then everything downstream of that distribution network has to be paid for as well.
Just imagine 5 or 6 EV's lining up at a charging station with 30 minutes EACH to fill their batteries !!!!!!!!!!!
That scenario is already happening.
I heard that the some Tesla charging stations in remote areas here in the western United States (No mans land )are powered by Diesel generators. Why not buy a Diesel powered vehicle instead and save yourself the hassle and anxiety of the EV. ITS CRAZY DIESEL ENGINE TO CHARGE A EV.😂
You opened my eyes with your channel. Thanks for that.
Great video!!!!
I just subscribed to your channel 😊
Cheers from near Vancouver Canada ✊
EVs are a non-solution to a non-existent problem.
Dodge already built 2 ton gasoline muscle cars. I thought that was way too heavy. Now electric vehicles are 2-3 tons . They charge too slowly in a world where instant gratification is the standard. And when they go up in conflagration mode , the flames get too hot and don't like the party to end... no matter how much water is introduced, the roof continues burning 😬 hot enough to melt concrete 😮
Thanks Simon!
Very informative channel. Thank you.
These charging stations should be everywhere very soon.I see that as soon as he is freed from his long incarceration Sam Bankman Fried is in charge of a start up to fund this new multibillion dollar project
SBF doesn't get incarcerated. He's part of the protected elite that is above the law.
Most gas stations make little to no money selling just gas. They make money on the normally attached convenience store.
Incorrect. They have margins on fuel that relies on turnover. If your assertion was correct they may as well close their fuel service and just sell ice-cream. The turnover is what gives them revenue and flexibility.
Which is why customer volume is so important to investors.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Yep.
@@dfor50 That's not what the articles say when searched online. The consensus is that there is very little profit in selling gas. The margins come from the convenience stores. Not my opinion. You can do a search and read the material for yourself. But, I suppose all those articles supporting my comment could be fake news,,,,
@@sunrisejak2709 The margins on confectionery, soft drink etc. are high, but they're relatively low volume sales.
Fuel, on the other hand, is a high volume low margin product. Both contribute to the
net income of the business.
Making sense of EV'S. Thank you for talking sense. Great channel. 👍
Keep em coming 🎉