Extreme Tourism Leader Believed Safety Was a Waste | Stockton Rush Personality and Titan Case Update
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2023
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"safety is just pure waste"
That quote needs to be etched on his tombstone.
Indeed! If only there were anything left to bury!
@@RoxieEEpeople who can afford it often get a grave even when there’s no body.
Seriously
Now, he is pure waste and safety prevails in the aftermath.
@@RoxieEEI was watching the news yesterday and was laughing at the reporter repeatedly trying to ask if they'll be able to find the bodies. When the sub implodes there's not much to find in one piece. Assuming as well it wasn't eaten by the local wildlife of the ocean.
There's something seriously disturbing about the CEO being so cocky that he would design an "experimental" sub that ignored six decades of industry best practice, good engineering, safety standards and certification, and then get into it himself with the belief that the sub, and apparently he himself, were invincible. That level of delusion took four others with him to their deaths.
Being super rich makes you overvalue your capabilities. Billionaires also become assholes if they weren't already.
But he was surprisingly bold enough to require his passengers absolve him of all responsibility!!!
Lol, nothing unusual about that. Unusual is he was that fumb to climb in it himself. Thats unusual. Usually thise just keep away while playing with lives of others.
I wish I could like your comment 1000 times.
The deepest ocean doesn't give a damn how arrogant one can be regarding deep sea exploration.
I work for a large airline and one sentence I will always remember is the following: „if you think safety is expensive, try an accident!“
Nuff said!!!
Well, Stockton Rush will absolutely be remembered for the rules he broke. Congratulations.
spot on
Before today, I didn't even know him. I doubt a lot of people knew or cared about this guy!!
Just like a ripple, he disappeared!
The teenage boy was the only one who couldn’t have had the proper foresight prior to the mission… RIP to them all, but the one my heart goes out to is him.
My heart broke for this young man
He was 19. 18 year olds sign up for the military everyday
@stapes7344 And that is a sad fact. Young people sign up to risk their lives before they are even allowed to purchase alcohol. Being a legal adult doesn't mean they think or have foresight like actual adults. A person isn't even fully formed at 18 and doesn't have the experience to make such life impacting decisions, yet we allow them to risk their lives for our country.
That's how I feel. The men made an active choice to do this, but I don't think a 19 year old has the ability to look past the excitement and make a rational decision about something like this.
He was 19, not 9. He was legally an adult. His signature is on the waiver and other forms, not his father's. He did not have to go. 19 YO men sign up for war and die in war. They vote and they drive.
After decades as a systems engineer, I'm frustrated by CEOs and business types who believe engineering discipline is too costly and time consuming. They think that they can build things cheaper and faster just because they will it. In my experience, cutting corners never turns out well.
This is why so many jobs went overseas. They do not care about people - they are greedy and their love is for money.
Agreed. Also my experience as well.
Quality Assurance saves money and lives
My experience working for EDF Energy is the same as this. Circumventing safety measures through ignorance, arrogance and hubris.
I'm an IVVQ Engineer. Once I heard a manager say that there was no need for any tests when you could get the best designers who make no mistakes... And how many times have I heard "Why do you want to test this? It works!".
I once had a history teacher in 6th grade who recently passed away. I remember her saying if you don't learn anything else in my class, just learn that history repeats itself.
That’s exactly what my 7th grade history teacher would tell us often. She even had a mural in our classroom with the famous quote that read: “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.”
What an amazingly important lesson. That teacher was a wise intuitive soul. :)
DAMN, what a CAKE EASY job SHE had!!!
@@rjeckardt8863 Nope. She just read that on a restroom wall. Like “Here I sit, broken-hearted…”
Well History never repeats itself but it does rhyme. The lesson maybe simular but the people, situations are different.
Stockton Rush is an inspiration. He inspired me not to go to the Titanic.
It makes a lot of sense now why Stockton Rush hired college graduates straight outta school instead of seasoned, experienced engineers: Rush didn't want to hear all that whining about "catastrophic danger" from real sub fabricators and college kids would be much less likely to question & go against his mantra & philosophies of safety in the sub industry, which was alarming to people who knew a thing about subs. I guess telling your boss that his precious tin can is a human blender waiting to happen is a real buzzkill for potential clients.
I couldn't agree more. Also, I keep thinking about how his employees waited 8 HOURS before notifying the Coast Guard. You just know they were all like "geez, we don't wanna piss off Stockton by jumping the gun." It's so pathetic. Stockton wanted a bunch of youngsters around so they'd hero-worship him & he'd never have to hear the word "no."
You nailed it. Bravo!
Exactly!
I feel so bad for these students that were under Rush’s spell or too scared of reprimand or losing their jobs to say anything. They must be in emotional and ethical turmoil right now.
Rich people problems. 🙄
The CEO WASN'T a victim. He was careless, reckless, arrogant, egotistical, and negligent even at the expense of people's lives. 😒
In other words a typical billionaire who wants to put others at risk for himself.
I agree. It’s hard to feel sorry for these people. This whole thing is just stupid.
Yeah and a lot of time and money was spent trying to find them.
Right some people have way too much 💸. I think it affects their judgement more so than someone who is poor.
People will inevitably die to progress technology, deep sea exploration will yield new rescorces, even though this was a vanity project, lessons will be learned that can further progress in this field
I have had four friends in my 73 years who could not see life-threatening danger in their actions or adventures. All have been killed by their actions or adventures. Truly, foresight must be honored as much as hind site is 20/20.
It's comforting to hear they were crushed faster than nerves can even signal pain the brain
But maybe not faster than their ears could register fatigue noises presaging implosion.
@@Muddy283 and losing control and spiraling down hearing that snap crackle pop.
Rush is like the rich kid in high school who has a Ferrari & willing to give pedal-to-the metal rides to other teens to feed his ego. Like the Murdaugh kid taking a speed boat with his friends onboard & winds up killing a girl.
Rich privilege.
What a madman!! He downplays safety and brags about being a reckless rule breaker. When someone is fired for exposing the dangers of the craft.. there’s a massive problem.
Wonderfully explained dr. Grande thank you
And the guy he fired sued him successfully for that. I’m surprised no one seemed to know about or be phased by this
@@yoeyyoey8937 I’d love to see that guys interview… it’s going to no doubt answer questions people have.. I watched the YT creators video who took this exact tour on this exact craft and they spoke about having 2 batteries and by the end of day diving.. both batteries would be used up. There’s no frikin way there was ever enough batteries to run the heaters or co2 Scrubbers… 96 hours of oxygen is completely impossible without any additional batteries on board. Stockton Rush is lucky he ever had a successful trip to the wreckage.. truly an eminent disaster destined to happen.
@@Jennifermcintyre hopefully they at least got their and were able to enjoy the moment before it went wrong
@@yoeyyoey8937 unfortunately it took 2.5 hours to get to the wreckage and they had only been in the water for 1 hour 45 minutes… other people who had been on the sub said it took an hour or two just to find the ship after getting to the bottom.
I often tell executives at my company ‘You cannot bully or intimidate technology to be what you want it to be’. I feel often because they so badly want it to be true, they ignore anything said that disproves that. This isn’t Star Trek people and you can’t just ‘Make it so’.
You are wrong. Steve Jobs did just that in the iPod.
No you don’t
we need more power, Scotty !!! Im giver her all I got, Capt !!!!
As a person who knew Stockton, I can confirm that your analysis is pretty spot on.
The tea. I'm sorry for your loss.
How did you know him?
@@EsmeraldaJohannessen I worked at another company he owned some years back.
@@srnineproject5569 how was he as a boss? From what I’ve read about him people seem split between him being a caring person or a cocky know it all
He should have gone down there alone....
The CEO’s arrogance was astounding and it’s shameful that father placed his young son in harms way. RIP to the others.
Ill say RIP to the son, even though he was old enough to sign, I accept that the father probably influenced him above acceptable levels. The others, if of age, made their own fate. They saw that tub and went in anyways, after completing a contract that said "you gonna die lol". I just cant feel for them. I feel sorry for those that are left, of course, but other than that they have to accept their loved ones killed themselves.
there's been a update that the father pressured him into it and it was father's day so the son did it for him
At least no boring 50 year old white guys were employed in its construction to fulfill his vision. “I thought of a 53rd gender, I’m the most woke.” Stockton Rush: “hold my beer”.
Repeat of arrogance. Sounds like the few rich of the RMS Titanic of 1912 all over again.
Also seems like the CEO was suffering nepotism
When the CEO is going to be on that sub right next to you, I think you can be forgiven to assume that he cares about his own life (in the very least) and thus that he will have made sure everything about the expedition is as safe as such an expedition can possibly be. What you don't naturally assume is that the guy might actually just be some crazy dude who cuts safety corners left and right and is being incredibly reckless with everyone's lives (including his own).
We still don't know if maybe the sub got damaged somehow while it was in storage for a year. The fact is, you still have no idea what caused this. It could certainly be something he allowed, but it is definitely a good possibility that someone dropped it from the lift or dinged one of the welds when moving it in or out of storage, etc...
What im saying is you dont know if it was one of the shortcuts he took that was even responsible yet.
Even aside from that, its still possible the media has completely misrepresented this so far....if you want to see how badly twisted they can get things, just go look up COVID coverage from 2019. Almost everything we know today was already common knowledge among medical circles in China by November 2019, but just look how off base these same media groups were even six months later....they can definitely get something in their collective heads and go all confirmation bias, industry-wide for a while. You could probably still find people involved with him who had very opposite opinions of him if you looked.,,you really just cant get a good picture this early.
@@SuperPhunThyme9The guy ADMITTED to not caring about the safety of the sub and to subpar materials to operate it. He DELIBERATELY ignored many MANY warnings about how UNSAFE this sub really was.
@@SuperPhunThyme9 Storage for a year? Was it not checked, inspected prior to their death trap trip?
@@SuperPhunThyme9 OK defend him and say it might have been just an accident. Carbon Fiber is a poor choice for that application. It has been tested and proven. It is based on physics and material science. I bet it was handled and stored fine. It was a poor design. If there was damage due to handling or storage, then OceanGate did a poor job of pre-mission inspection. Either way, poor execution and design. I think the original poster had it right. I would be willing to bet he actually said "Don't worry. If I didn't think this was 100% safe, I wouldn't be going with you would I" or some crap like that. You can easily envision this by the previous interviews and his careless, cavalier attitude.
@SuperPhunThyme9 even if that did happen he's still the party at fault. The implosion was the #1 risk basically like gravity is for planes. He even custom built it. The only way I see a 3rd party could hold some responsibility is if there was an intended sabotage
There’s a sharp difference between being a visionary and being a narcissist.
I don't know if I think there really is. A visionary, a lot of times, may well be narcissist whose gamble works out and who is applauded in hindsight. It's not like we haven't had example of that plenty of times in the past.
Henry Ford built Ford Motor Company, then he nearly drove into the ground due to his confidence that he always knew what was best, leading to the company refusing to develop a successor to the model T until it was woefully obsolete.
Howard Hughes was likewise and eccentric whose eccentricities worsened as he grew older until they went from simply eccentricities to outright mental illness.
The difference is called success
alot of narcissist think they are visionaries
And a lot of visionaries are narcissists.
The engineering design rule that Rush broke is; "You can't push a rope." Specifically, he used a design for a pressure vessel that intends for the material, carbon fiber composite, to be subjected to pure tension, which it is ideally suited for, in an application which is really a type of vacuum chamber. This latter application puts the material in pure compression, which carbon fiber, or any other fiber composite for that matter, cannot support. The compressive stress was borne almost entirely by the resin binder that was used to glue the carbon fiber strands together. Eventually, the material delaminated on a microscopic scale after repeated cyclic stresses, resulting in sudden brittle failure. The resulting enormously powerful water hammer completely pulverized the fiber composite cylinder and all of its contents. Carbon fiber composite parts are known to fail suddenly with little warning and their fatigue life is difficult to evaluate.
Reminds me of my seminar in ' Advanced Strengths of Materials ' which I took while pursuing my PhD in Continuum Mechanics. Advanced Tensor Methods was one of my favorite courses.
Reinhold Von Treffencaunbowz, MBBS, PhD
@@DeniseK-Creativerich people can get away with a lot. He probably paid his way through his degree.
@@koobie83 Honestly, a lot of engineers just plane forget huge swaths of their schooling. Whatever specialty they go into is one where they're typically getting mentored by more experienced engineers, and that on the job experience rapidly takes precedent.
Incidentally, this is probably why Rush wanted young employees. It wasn't progressive minded. He just wanted people he could easily pressure without getting pushback.
This is reminding me of my engineer ethics class in college. My professor made it very clear to us that he expected we'd be at our most vulnerable to being pressured into signing off on things we shouldn't when we were fresh out of school.
@@Bustermachine Well, sadly most fresh grads will do anything to have the first job. Working on subs that represents state of the art - cutting edge tech, is very enticing. They will get pummeled to submission.
What is hard to believe us Stockton Rush was unaware of this or arrogantly chose to ignore it.
The 19 year old son was actually worried about getting on this sub, his fears were well founded.
Please cite a source.
You dont know that. Stop making things up
Imagine even this kid knew it was sketchy wth were the adults thinking
@@gordon3186his mother talks about it in an interview
@@DRB5000It’s true his mom said it
Safety is *never* a waste. Anyone who even thinks like that should not be trusted any further than you can throw him.
@@diegofondoo1780that is a waste
"The world needs people like Stockton Rush. But it also needs a realistic view of their motives and limitations." Wonderful summary.
World don’t need arrogant people like him . World need more like Elon musk
The world needs people like Rush because who else would win Darwin Awards?
@@larrylmedina 😂 if you put it that way I agree
I'd say "a more realistic way to restrain and regulate their motives and limitations".
@@pepperkilldevelopment9069 And Elon isn't arrogant? Don't be fooled by appearances.
A word that came to mind for Stockton was hubris. I kept wondering why the paying passengers, especially Hamish Harding, didn't thoroughly vet OceanGate but they kept refering to him as an "adventurer." To me, that meant he was a thrill seeker and had to keep chasing those thrills. He had the money to do so. Like many, I feel saddest for the 19 yr old son. His adult life snuffed out, before he could live and enjoy it. Your analysis is spot on. James Cameron also had some strong words and opinions about this disaster, that didn't have to happen. He also mentioned arrogance and hubris when referring to Stockton and the Captain of the Titanic.
Rush was the Captain
Rush reminds me of a fast talking fly by nite car salesman trying to sell his "cream puff" to unsuspecting customers. 😏
The big question for me is why was the French diver and "Titanic expert" on that trip? That guy had been down to the Titanic 32 times or something like that and he'd gone on much, much, much better submersibles. What would possess him to go? Was he paid to go? Maybe he was a necessary lure to get the three paying guests? (As in, "I'm going down on a 'research' submersible with Paul-Henri Nargeolet!"). Paying him to go would seem counter productive, though, because apparently Rush was in financial difficulties with that company and was being sued at the time of the incident. Anyway, a lot of strange stuff about the whole thing, including the designation of the paying guests as "mission specialists." Apparently Rush did this so that he didn't face the same requirements as he would if they were called "passengers" or "guests" or whatever. I first thought it was just "super-rich guy" ridiculousness but just recently read that Rush gave them those titles and briefly trained each passenger to do something necessary on the trip so the "mission specialist" title would have legal weight.
They all died instantly, which was perhaps the only merciful aspect of this event. A reckless and needless waste of life.
I just wish this amount of resources would help a migrant boat in trouble.
@@janicedahlman8715the migrants country is the one who should foot that bill
@@parisinthe30sxmaybe don't destabilize/invade/fund dictatorships in the migrants country in the first place and then you won't be having any immigration crysis.
Was it truly instant? Or were there a few moments of horror as they heard the metal giving way? 😬I surely hope it was instant.
@@irene_f. They probably heard the hull creaking, snapping, popping, groaning. I imagine looking at each other with their eyes bulging. Once the breach occurred, it was a millisecond and they were a cloud, so no suffering occurred.
"These wealthy adventurers rationalize the trips by claiming they promote science or technology but in reality they´re just looking for the next high." This one really got me. Really puts things in perspective with a lot of contemporary exploratory endeavors.
Spot on. These were not scientific expeditions at all. Nor were the people on board "explorers." To this guy these were marketing terms to appeal to rich people's egos.
Adrenaline junkies..
I mean, there's only so many super cars you can buy, luxury holidays and villas. No wonder they get bored, they either become chronic alcoholics or drug addicts or spend their money on Space travel or some other life threatening shit.
@@nettwenchas i said before giving the title mission specialists was just a stroke for their egos . Oceangate knew that it would bring in the dollars. Flattery gets you everywhere it seems
Tragedy? yes indeed. What caused this Tragedy? money. Now a days rich men make way too much. What they are suffering is how to spend. There is only one bed to sleep, one stomach to fill, one wife to sleep...that is sucks. So that some smart guys find ways to help. One is going to deep sea, another is space.
Now the real tragedy is the taxpayers, how much the Coast Gard and media need to spend?
I feel so sorry for 19 year old son who was terrified but wanted to please his father.
@jean - I do too. His mom (and sister) lost husband & son/ brother. It's good that the mom & her daughter can comfort each other. Many people are saying that why didn't the kid back out if he had hesitations? Answer is, he wanted to please his dad and he felt honor-bound to do so. He's Asian (Pakistani) and in many Asian families, esp conservative ones, you OBEY your parents. (of course there are exceptions) Just look at the stories of tiger moms and tiger parents. Watch the skits of Steven He (emotional damage!) and Two Set Violin (Ling-ling is always better!). There's truth behind the comedies. I'm sure other Asian people would agree (I'm Asian myself).
I watched a recent interview with the mother and wife of the two men lost in the Titan disaster, and she said she gave her spot on the sub to her son as he was so excited at the prospect of seeing the wreck of Titanic.
I believe these souls are all better-off now.
I saw that quick interview clip also. She showed absolutely NO EMOTION whatsoever.
Not one tear. This whole thing is extremely suspicious🙄😳
@dianesozio7035 everyone grieves differently. It's is extremely distasteful to imply that she isn't grieving because she isn't doing it the way you expect her to. Disgraceful actually.
This guy was a legend in his own mind. Why would anyone risk their life in an uncertified sub?
He did, obviously and sadly took 4 with him
@@thomastani749they signed up for it they all knew the risks
It costs a lot of money to certify the sub. Not everything that's uncertified is poor engineering or risky. Unfortunately, in this case, it was.
Being married to a descendant of two passengers of the Titanic is an interesting and spooky coincidence.
And the couple who gave up their seats for the help, of all people
Its all just lies
@@DRB5000🤡
Distinct possibility it wasn't a coincidence. The guy was probably really into Titanic, so it wouldn't be surprising if one of the things that attracted him to her in the first place was that. He'd probably love to be related to people onTitanic
@@johnwilliams1238 His legacy is one of shame.
It's a grave site, not a tourist sightseeing spot. Respect the deceased .
Including these 5. I hope they don’t try to retrieve their bodies, especially how much they liked being down there.
Those bodies are liquid now...
@@janicedahlman8715there's no bodies
@@anotherfishinthesea8660 Due to implosion?
@@anotherfishinthesea8660 could be in the water bottles , soda, coffee , you drink, the water you shower with, brush your teeth with, may their spirit be with you, on you, in you...
They should have asked around before signing up for this. Almost everyone in that small community knew what was going on. It's mind blowing how easily they were convinced this was safe.
That was my thought exactly. How did two scientists, and one millionaire father (smart enough to run a billion dollar family business) believe a man who was a hack, smh?
Narcissists have the uncanny ability to convince anyone of anything, no matter how absurd.
@@ostrich67the way Stockton rush talk..it surely feel that he knows what he is doing and also are positive
@@tingle2323 People would rather follow a confident idiot than an expert who stammers.
They didn`t need to be convinced by anybody and they felt they didn`t need to ask around about anything whatsoever. Pride goes before destruction.
In 1898 a book by Morgan Robertson was published called "Futility" in 1912 it was renamed "The Wreck of the Titan" it was based on a doomed British ocean liner that hits an iceberg, then in 1912 the RMS Titanic had the same fate, Wendy Rush's great great grandparents perished on the Titanic then her husband dies at the resting place of the Titanic in a submersible called Titan.
History definitely repeats itself.
They say that every OSHA rule is written in blood.
And they say that behind every safety label there is a tragic story of an idiot that made it necessary.
And as someone with an electrical eng degree, who has worked in both naval and aviation settings this story is so Fed up that I don't even know where to begin with it.
100%.
Well said
When I heard him joke about how ‘everything else could fail’ & how he Jimmy rigged so much of this sub. Stockton had No idea about reality of the deep sea or submarine.
They bet on the over engineered theory to keep them safe.
That's what happens when you hire people because of their skin color and sexuality instead of experience and skill set. Just think ,our whole entire government is run this way at the moment. Our vice president was picked because she was a woman and isn't white.
The 19 year-olds Aunt stated that he was apprehensive about the voyage, but he wanted to bond w/ his father.😢
So heartbreaking. The dad should have spared his son the risk
It is so horrible...😢😢
So terrible decision .RIP
His father was probably a narcissist
They did succeed in bonding, they turned into the same pink mist, forever inseparable.
When this event was first unfolding in the MSM, I had so much empathy for them. I did think of them as pioneers helping to push the boundaries of human exploration. I thought they were taking a calculated risk. Now, with all the additional information that's come out, frankly, I only feel sorry for the young man that was aboard. It was a fool's errand after all.
Everyone keeps referring to him as “the 19 year old”, but he had a name. Rest in peace to everyone, but especially Suleman. He was the only one aboard that sub that truly did not deserve this. Not saying everyone else subsequently “deserved” to die on that submersible, but they were much more well-versed in the risks than Suleman, who just wanted to please his father on Father’s Day. Such a tragedy.
Virtuesignalingkunt
@@grandamishwizard1584 thanks incel 🥰😘
@@stoney-51999 woke whorror
I disagree. Stockton Rush deserved it. Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
I feel more sorry for the 18 year olds who got drafted and died in unnecessary wars
The company firing an employee who came out stating that this was extremely dangerous says it all
Stockton Rush is the most “heir of a multi-billion dollar family” name ever
😂
His wife’s name too! 😂
Stockton Rush wasn't even a billionaire. He was estimated to be worth around 12 million. Rich, but nowhere near a billionaire. Only two of the passengers were actually worth more than a billion.
Paul-Henry Nargeolet and Hamish Harding.
I don't know how the story got twisted into "5 billionaires".
Dawood, the billionaire from Pakistan. Google him, his family.
Now it will be on a gravestone.
"He accused the sub-industry of being obscenely safe." Well, this tragedy reinforced the reason why there are a lot of regulations concerning safety. Stockton Rush suffered from what many intellectually capable people suffer from, they are used to being the smartest person in the room and believe they can never be wrong until they aren't. He even fired the engineer who warned him about the risks he was taking and many industry officials wrote to him about his flagrant dismissal of safety rules.
Thank you, Dr Grande. I thought there might be some Narc traits in Stockton Rush and you confirmed it. You drew the parallels in this story, and here are a couple more. To recap all the parallels I know of:
1898 - Morgan Robertson writes a fictional book called 'Futility - The Wreck of the Titan' about a ship that sinks and all die.
1912 - The unsinkable ship Titanic sails on her maiden voyage, and sinks and 2/3 people die.
2023 - Stockton Rush operates a submersible called the Titan on her maiden tourist trip and it sinks and everyone dies.
On the Titanic, there was a couple (that you mentioned), called Isador and Ida Strauss. Their great great great grand daughter is Wendy Rush, Stockton's wife. Isador put his wife Ida in a lifeboat but she refused to go preferring to die with her husband of 40 yr instead. They owned Macys Dept. Stores. Ida put her young maid on the boat instead and gave her the fur coat. Swap.
On the Titan, the initial father & son backed out and swapped places with the Pakistani-British Dawood Sr and Jr instead.
Both the Titanic and the Titan sank in the same place.
On the Titanic, the captain was warned about approaching icefields and told to slow down. He wanted to claim a bonus prize for getting to his destination fast, so ignored the warnings and went full steam ahead instead. Kaboom.
On the Titan the CEO ignored the warnings of industry experts about the carbon fiber hull and the acrylic window. Kaboom.
On the Titanic, basic safety guidelines like matching lifeboats to passengers was ignored as it was 'unsinkable'. As a result, when it sank they had only enough lifeboats for 1/3 of the passengers, the rich were saved, the poor died.
On the Titan, they did not test the hull design and did not certify the vessel. Everyone went to save the rich billionaires, while the Migrant boat with 500 people who died was barely reported. The rich were tended to, the poor ignored.
The tickets on Titanic first class and the Titan were the same $250,000.
He didn’t confirm narcissism, he presents it as a possibility. He clearly states that he, like all psychologists / psychiatrists, can not diagnose somebody at a distance. It’s really important to remember that.
@@annaletts6182 Why not? All the signs were there.
1. Fired anyone who disagreed with him.
2. Had a fantasy world he lived in with regard to ignoring conventional wisdom and speculating on design.
3. Manipulative techniques and outright lying to passengers about the safety of his rig, with no mention that it was not certified, and that the window was for 4250 ft not 13K ft, and that the CF laminated hull was a roll of the dice as to when (not if) it would fail, and the expedition was Russian Roulette.
I really think the CEO was a narcissist. I don't know his history but the level of disregard, lack of empathy, entitlement, and arrogance that this has all over it is really pointing towards it.
Most millionaires and billionaires are. You don’t get THAT rich by caring about what other people tell you (be they well meaning or not). Heart goes out to the mum, waste of a kid’s life.
@@blablatructruclol untrue/unrealistic re: all millionaires. There are a great many of them. Posting your own CV would be interesting.
I know two retired teachers who have a million dollars by being frugal - except for many gifts to charity.
The mote in our own eyes bears closer scrutiny.
Ya think? He said in an interview that his submersible, the Titan, was indestructible. The interviewer responded, “You mean, like the same thing they said about the Titanic?”, and Rush said, “Yeah, pretty much”. That sounds like a narcissist to me.
@@mortalclown3812firstly, the person you're responding to said "some" not all. Secondly, 2 retired teachers with 1 million dollars won't get very far these days. Thirdly, your anecdotal experience of 2 retired teachers is irrelevant to the discussion.
Edited to add: I very much doubt these 2 teachers saved a million dollars through "frugality", more likely their net worth increased due to investments and property ownership. Saving a million dollars through frugality would require saving $25,000 each year for 40 years. I call shenanigans on that being attainable.
@@mortalclown3812Stockton negligently murdered his own customers....and he should be vilified for his actions as a selfish villain. Get out of here with this pseudo- religious criticism of being critical of this selfish, reckless and sociopathic man, Stockton Rush, who caused the deaths of 4 others just to help fund his own selfish desires to make a name for himself as the "Captain Kirk" of explorers. He should be charged with manslaughter at the very least and should be sued in to financial oblivion.
People like Stockton Rush are why regulations are needed. Now if you don't want regulations in this 'wild west', then you need to have insurance or hire a contractor to come do the rescue mission -- and not have public taxpayer money get squeezed dry trying to find and rescue you from such an enormous undertaking.
The saying "more money than brains" comes to mind.
We’ve got plenty of “regulation “
You cannot regulate the ocean unfortunately. Regulations on a business might be possible but still not sure how they would regulate something a business or anyone does in international waters.
@@danw1089 regulation save lives. If you're only counting financial cost and not the cost of human lives, that's a problem.
Why does someone oppose such regulations?
I am very upset by all of this. Lives were lost because of a lack of oversight and experimentation. Testing is crucial when considering the extreme pressures at this depth. The arrogance of one man thinking he knows more than everyone else. I now have a hard time sleeping at night thinking about how these men died and also how simply it could and should of been avoided. Such a shame and a disgrace. Words fail!
I am perplexed. Why didn't Stockton just use a titanium hull? Too pricey or did he think "Macgvyer" type of thing is great for underwater exploration?
He seemed narcissistic, truly believing nothing he created could go wrong
I'm from a narcissistic family myself and diagnosed ASPD+NPD
I could diagnose him from here; this guy is the same person as my father and had blatant struggles with reality testing.
@@rw7975 reality testing? What does that mean?
Seemed? That's an understatement, lol
@@vicvega3614 I'm self aware so I can explain this now with less horror and humiliation.
NPD/grandiosity leaves the afflicted not fully participating in reality; the individual is trapped in a psychotic state.
Perceiving one's self as god like, omnipotent and all important - thus the behaviors and decision making are extensions... immune from criticism.
'Reality testing' refers to the rejection of narratives (what's actually happening) that don't affirm the grandiosity/importance.
It can get very dark and serious - literally delusional beliefs etc.
This guy was like that dummy John John Kennedy
I honestly can’t believe the dad let his kid on that death trap. The first page of the waiver had the word death in it 3 times! You never put your child in a dangerous situation like that. smh rip
I agree. I would not.
He just wanted to be with his Dad for Father's Day 😢 And now they're both gone...
😪😭😭he pushed his own child into a sea coffin! My heart is broken!😭😭😭
Totally agree with the rage and sentiments. Father should have gone alone. A 19 year old, gone too soon. Rush was reckless and he knew the trip was going to be disastrous. Rush wanted to be remembered and it was all about him. I am so angered yet so sad
You don't transport your child in a car? You don't allow them to play contact sports? You don't allow them to ride a bicycle? Where do you draw the line? Will you follow your 19 yo child around in a helicopter constantly on the alert for any signs of danger? You can't live life without risks, though admittedly that was an extreme risk I would not have taken. The son was a 19 yo man who chose to get in, regardless of hesitating or Father's Day. He wasn't hogtied.
I think this was a mixture of hubris, ego, economic factors and greed, stubborn attitude and a bit of delusional thinking and denial. Extremely foolish man, educated in his field, possibly narcissistic or some sort of phycological or emotional disorder aswell. Mind boggling case.
One of the creepiest, least discussed aspects of the sub’s design was the fact that the hull was bolted on from the outside. This means if the submersible lost contact w/ the support vessel and surfaced way off course, there’s no way to escape and the crew would eventually suffocate if not found in time.
I couldn’t be sadder for the teenager. 4 adults who should have refused to allow him to risk his life for something this stupid. The kid’s mother will never recover. Another death.
Wasn’t he 19. Regardless all the deaths are tragic 😔
His aunt said he didn’t want to go but since it was Father’s Day he agreed. 😢
@@lynnhoffman247 Oh god, that makes everything so much worst...
Omg, his poor mother. If she knew he didn't want to go, and didn't fight her husband... the survivor's guilt for their families will be very real and profound.
I think these assumptions are disrespectful...
Youre assuming he was immature and mentally stunted. A well adjusted person has plenty of clarity by the time the state finally considers you an adult.. Not everyone is like the stunted children of the American boomer generation lol.
Some wise person said that history is new people making the same old mistakes. Thanks for all your work Dr. Grande.
Sigmund Freud is the wise person that you speak of!!
Yes! Love that quote!
My mom always said: “What was old, is new again”
Ecclesiastes 1:9
King James Version
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Everyone always thinks it'll be different for them
Facebook thought I was rich and started showing me ads for this company. I clicked on it. It looked amazing. Im glad I am just a regular guy that couldnt afford such a thing!
I study engineering and in progress to get my license to become Engineer at some point in the future. One thing my engineer association always remind me is whenever we do engineering work we must "Put public safety above all else". Apparently, that is not the case in this tragic incident. If I am designing the vessel, I safety of public above everything else, if a design is not safe and my supervisor puts pressure on me to go ahead with it (due to profits / meet deadline), I will never oblige to it, even if it costs me my job.
The arrogance of this CEO should be taken as an example of how ruthless and dumb they can be. Willing to skip safety procedures even for himself.
Pride goeth before an implosion.
It would have been worse if he had had a personal vehicle which met safety standards than what actually happened. With what happened, he was just a miserly idiot. If he wanted his own safety prioritized while risking that of others, it would have made him a soulless, unscrupulous miser.
Some people have so much money and time to blow; it blows up in a disaster🧨
Echoes the same sentiment if the prideful owner of the titanic who forgoed safety measures because he thought the ship was unsinkable.
@@HighLevelPlayer hope the bill for the cost of the rescue goes to his rich family.
I've never met an extreme activities lover who wasn't utterly self absorbed.
Now that you mention it, self-absorbsion is the pivot on which narccissism swings.
@@martini3524. Most narcisisstic and sociopathic people are thrill seekers and adrenaline junkies
I know that's right!!
money
I don’t know too much about James Cameron, but he seems pretty well centred
Pretty easy to constantly deceive yourself and others when you’ve grown up thinking yourself entitled and when past experiences always seemed to be successful. He thought nothing bad could happen to him, until the laws of nature and science caught up to him and then it was too late for him and 4 others. Thanks for your analysis.
It was not the game controller steering or the IKEA LED lights that were an issue. These were hokey accessories but not the cause of the problem. Here are some of the reasons that show he was reckless and more salesman than engineer:
1. He used Carbon Fiber as the material for the hull. The end caps were Titanium why not use it for the whole vessel? He was told by James Cameron, Bob Ballard, and his own Director, David Lockridge that CF does not take compression load and shatters but he ignored it. This composite CF material cannot be subjected to a Finite Element Analysis (FEA) to predict failure point because it is a mix of materials and not one contiguous piece. Furthermore, the CF was spooled like thread to form a laminated layered buildup. The lamination can delaminate under pressure and moisture. He completely ignored the industry standards of NOT using CF to build. At 4000 metres or 13,200 ft you have 6000 psi pressure or 2 tons per square inch. Every inch of that hull was subjected to 2 tons of pressure, like several baby elephants sitting on it.
2. Hull was built barrel shaped not spherical. Spheres can take more pressure as all the pressure is evenly distributed around a globe. But he had to be different.
3. Epoxy glue layer between CF hull and Titanium ring and endcap. Epoxy bond can fail under this pressure.
4. The 7" thick acrylic (Plexiglas) viewing window was rated by manufacturer for 4,250 ft depth only. He took it down multiple times to 12,500 ft -13,200 ft depth. It's a wonder it did not implode earlier. This was of great concern to Engineer Lockridge.
5. Multiple industry experts and experienced sub divers told him to certify his vessel. But Rush knew that it would not pass due to the use of CF which is known to fail. No certification, not a single objective test. Reckless lunacy.
6. He opted out of voice comms with support ship preferring to text instead, as it would not spoil his experience of viewing the Titanic. Which means the implosion or other sounds could not be heard outside of that sub.
7. There were continuous issues with this sub related to the janky engineering. There were issues with losing comms with the ship, creaking sounds, things malfunctioning. Never addressed, and hull was never tested for fatigue cracks from repeated dives.
8. We all thought, at least I did, that this was cutting edge science and this guy was some sort of Steve Jobs inventing the uninventable. But that was far from true. These subs have been around longer than airplanes. The technology is mature, not new. There are 10 other subs in the world and the French made ROV unmanned robot subs, that can go down 7 miles into the Mariana Trench, the deepest known point in the oceans. The Titanic is only 2.5 miles down. We know how to build them, Russians, French, Americans, Brits, and we have built them. There are rules about building them and a materials list which does not include Carbon Fiber. CF does not bend with weight, it shatters. So its not used. Rush decided to buck all these rules and build it cheaper so it was commercially viable for tourists. There are few subs because it costs a lot to build them. Rush wanted to show he could build them for much less. Now this is a form of denial and an altering of reality. Narcissism?
9. When his UK ex-Navy experienced diver and engineer Lockridge disagreed with him, Rush promptly fired him and accused him of sabotaging his own job. So we have a CEO that does not listen to his own Director of Engineering. What does that tell us?
9. The important takeaway here is that this was not new technology. These subs designs were known already, and they had an excellent track record of safety when built to safety specs, and had gone down to 7 miles so very well tested out. But Rush wanted cheaper, more flimsy builds, with COTS (common off the shelf products) like the lights, gameplayer steering, and using rusted metal pipes as ballast, and texting comms. This was incredibly reckless.
The original father and son who were supposed to be on that trip, opted out. The son saw this poorly built sub, with no certification, and a salesman for a CEO, and decided to cancel their tickets. Stockton Rush was frantic for funding, so he flew out to them to persuade them to come on the trip. He flew into a little known airport and when the father asked why, he said, I built my own plane so I cannot use the standard airports. At that point, the father realized how reckless Rush was, and decided they were never going to go on his sub. Another father and son (a Pakistani billionaire) took their places instead.
What happened was predictable. At 1:45 hrs into the 2 hr descent, the sub imploded. The CF hull shattered or maybe the window or the glue gave way, we don't know. But they lost comms with mother ship. The alarm went out, and the world rushed in to help horrified at the fate of these people trapped without oxygen and in freezing waters.
The Navy had heard a sonar boom underwater and it sounded like an implosion. They notified the Coast Guard. So the authorities realized before the search began that it was a high probability that the sub had imploded (exploded internally). But to keep morale high, CG command said nothing. The French sent two ROVs (robot subs) and immediately went down exactly where the Titan was last heard. They were the first to find the debris field. The two Titanium end caps were clearly outlined and seemed intact, but the main CF hull with passengers was flattened out and disintegrated. This implosion would vaporize everyone into a fine mist of organic matter within nano seconds before they realized what happened. It is quick and painless. If they had to die, this was the most merciful way.
Two veteran explorers died - Hamish Harding and Paul-Henri Nargeolet. A UK based Pakistani billionaire, Shahzada Dawood and his 19 yr old son, Suleman Dawood. And Stockton Rush. This was a catastrophic loss of life in the history of underwater sub dives and due only to the reckless build of Rush. This was criminal negligence. He knew these facts and proceeded anyway. A total denial of reality and refusal to accept the limitations of his build. And he was an engineer by training. One can only conclude this was the work of hubris.
RIP to all 5 of the Titan passengers. In particular, I feel bad for the teenager, who reportedly reluctantly went only to spend time with his father on Father's Day. May the many refugees who have drowned lately also RIP.
I honestly only feel bad for the teen. He was the only one who couldn’t really have had the foresight the others would’ve.
Amen 🙏 very saddening for all but especially the 19 year old who couldn’t have fully comprehended the severity of the situation he found himself in.
As a parent I just can't fathom how the father let his son go in such an extremely dangerous (not adventurous) ride. How big does one ego have to be to put your financial status before your kid's safety? Were the bragging rights really worth the risk?
The loss of the 19 year old young man is the only one that truly hurts my heart
@@DarthFurieyeah I agree! Poor kid! He just wanted to make his father happy on fathers day. It really does hurt my heart. I heard he was extremely nervous about going too. 😢
I read somewhere Stockton Rush said once he did not want to work with experienced sub engineers as "they are all 50 something year old white men" (or something along those lines), he rather chose young, ambitious engineers in their twenties. I'm sorry, but this is narcissism to say the least. R.I.P. all passengers and condolences to the families and friends.
He was talking about himself. He fits that description. That said, he didn't mean a word of it.
It seems he wanted to avoid pushback from seasoned professionals.
Narcissists seem to have big weird haircuts like stockton. Rod blagojevich also
He did not want to be challenged about his hare brained design and their gross
safety violations. He terminated and sued an employee who had the temerity to state safety issues needed to be addressed.
@@dh-uo4ltthey do?
Dr. Grande, Do you think Stockton Rush is a prime example of the Dunning - Kruger effect? As I understand it, his background had to do with aerospace engineering. He had a degree in it from Princeton, but applying that knowledge to deep undersea engineering didn't work. He should have asked the Navy to help him in furthering his knowledge. Not heeding advice from others who had undersea experience led to this sad outcome. Thanks for your coverage of this.
the fact the hull was a composite of two materials (titanium and carbon fiber) was the real risk. Any weaknesses in the fusion process will be strained greatly at those pressures, especially since the carbon fiber will shrink at a different ratio compared to the titanium. Eventually, everything would come undone so fast, his acoustic monitoring system would only serve to let them all know they were going to die very soon.
I feel so badly for the 19 year old man who was terrified to go on this trip. He did it to make his father happy, to spend time with him on fathers day. And now they are both dead. Truly sad.
Ok ok ok ok. Stop for a minute. Where are you getting the information that the didn't want to go on this sea trip. Please cite that source.
Who says he was terrified?
@@blaknbeauty1His aunt gave an interview and that is what she said, you can google to find it.
But he wasn't hogtied. He got in under his own freewill, regardless of Father's Day and wanting to make Dad happy, etc. If my Dad had asked me to get in there with him, I would have told him to phuq himself, even though I loved my Dad (RIP).
@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lzWell perhaps the young man had more respect for his father/ wouldn't have dared speak to his father they way you would with yours! You do know just because you would/wouldn't make certain choices in life doesn't make you right and everyone else wrong?!
What upsets me is the 19 year old, who indicated that he did not want to go, and was 'pressed' into going, you simply do not do that, either in confined spaces or heights, if someone thinks they will be uncomfortable, then you don't let them do it.
As a radio tech I have had to climb tall radio towers, if someone says they would not like to climb it, you don't make them. They will probably freeze and require a rescue.
In the navy you had to be certified before you would work in confined spaces, because some people freak out, and it may disturb them for the rest of their lives. You just don't do it.
Could you imagine a 19 year old man freaking out and doing everything 'to get out'! I am not saying he did anything, or could even have done anything, but it is not fair on him or anyone else with him under those circumstances. It's very sad.
Stockton was crazy. None of safety standards were met. I read somewhere the submersibles have shelf life’s . They are not safe to be used after 2 or 3 trips. He kept using same submersible so many times without any proper data and testing. He could be adventurous but needs to prioritize safety when doing something dangerous like that. The sub was like a ticking time bomb, it had to happen some day.
Stockton Rush must have had an incredible way of convincing and instilling trust to get people to pay 250.000 each for a ticket in a death trap
He's the dealer, the people ponying up 250k are already primed to accept what he's selling.
It wasn't on purpose. He had several previous runs before this one that were successful.
Not really. I got to ask you....Have you ever flown in an airplane? Did you know the safety record record of every plane you stepped in? Few of us are experts in these type of things and we depend on government regulations to ensure the vessels we travel in at safe whether it's a car, plane, or sea vessel.
You really think most rich people make money by NOT being good at conning others?
@@yoeyyoey8937they are usually excellent at linking others and stealing from them.
I'm kind of glad it was a quick death. Having to sit for days on end waiting in vain for help that never arrives would be an unimaginably awful fate.
yep...literally every single person in this comment section is going to have a far more cruel and miserable death than those people....
I find it sad though, how many people here look at the purpose of life as being to live as loooooong as possible (and at all costs).
These guys in the sub were too far over on that spectrum, but literally everyone here is way over at the opposite end which is just as bad. It also shows the insane level of hedonism most people have when people are only bothered by the fact that they died rather than how prepared they were to die (i.e. like if they already had kids, etc..)
@@SuperPhunThyme9 This is true. My Mom died from apathy, sedentary lifestyle glued to a chair watching TV. I call it a waste, but she CHOSE that. Too many here think these people should have somehow been prevented from going on their risky adventure trip through government regulation. I call them safety Nazis. Maybe we should all be confined to our recliners through government safety regulations.
I loved your analysis and was very interested in your comments regarding Stockton's wife being related to the famous Titanic victims Isidor and Ida Strauss. You also helped me understand indirectly how someone as knowledgeable and experienced and not just wealthy like Paul Henri Nargeolet would risk diving in the Titan submersible. Well done...also your vocal delivery is very pleasant and easy to listen to.
@@user-ef2bx9fb4y I struggled with him being on board as well given his background expertise and association, with so many accomplished divers, and the comments ultimately made me conclude that his passion to see and study Titanic ultimately overrode everything else.
Gamepads and LEDs are a non issue. It's actually sensible to scrimp on those parts. The Military does. He was supposed to check the hull for damage after every trip. He was supposed to overbuild it by 30% (at least) to give him a chance in event of a failure. Instead he scrimped on build quality and materials to save money. The failure point is suspected to be the window at the front. Which wasn't even rated for half the depth they were at. I learned that from Kyle Hill.
sounds like his design wouldve worked had they simply made the hull out of steel and not had the window. Everything else wouldve been fine. Also not sure how you'd solve their frequent communication disruptions without a cable. How did james cameron's sub communicate with a ship?
Please name me a military system where commercial grade game controllers are used to control a machine where the hazards posed by losing control of that machine involve serious risk to life.
@@manager4409Perhaps, but without the window getting paying customers would be a whole lot more difficult.
@@georgemorley1029 I don't care. Do your own research.
@@manager4409 sorry... did I sound like an expert? I'm not. I just watched Kyle Hills video about it.
As an old professor of mine said, this is what happens when you award partial credit.
I feel really bad for the woman who lost both her husband and son at the same time. 💔😓
😥😥😥
Especially bc the son did not want to go.
Me too 😞
On Father's Day😢 how sad. 4 Dads 😢
You'd feel even worse knowing they were the same individual.
Stockton: The submersible community is obscenely safe and obsessed with safe- **crunch**
I think you absolutely nailed this one Dr. Grande.
If I've said it once I've said it a million times
"Regulations save lives"
If your only concern is financial cost and not the cost of human life you are unquestionably morally bankrupt.
And he was that for sure.
Well that is so very noble. Since human lives matter to you way more than anything financial, I trust you live in a tent and all your earnings go to feeding the starving of the world.
The big boys buy the rules, regulations among them. If a boy is glamorous his vehicle might be allowed to have four motors, not the legally permissable one. It makes things preventive of new blood. سلام.
True !!!!!😑
@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz 🤦♀
James Cameron did an interesting interview on the CNN about the submersible. He explained that carbon fiber composites are great for handling internal pressure, like that found in oxygen tanks, but it lacks the strength to deal with external pressure as a submersible hull when repeatedly exposed to these pressures.
He knows what he is talking about. CF is good with tensile strength (hold back internal pressure like inside a tank) but poor in compression strength (withstanding the outside pressure trying to cave it in). The hull was literally made out of resin with CF string reinforcement. It likely suffered crack fatigues from the previous missions that were invisible on the external surface. Other experts told him this and he ignored them.
I was a little skeptical at the beginning of your video but by the end I'd have to say this was very very well thought through and very well spoken. Thank you for doing this, it pretty much says everything I'm thinking and more.
James Cameron made three successful trips on his sub without tourists and deeper than titan. Carbon fiber vs time tested steel. Rush and Cameron are way different people for that kind of ocean exploration.
I think the real criticism of Rush is not so much he put his life at risk, it's that he was comfortable selling that risk to others. But of course they have to accept part of that responsibility too. The biggest victim was that guy's son, who apparently was not really keen on that trip, but wanted to please his dad on Father's Day.
progressives gloss over or dismiss a lot of things in order to satisfy their agenda or adopted principles. in this case, he chose to hire less qualified people because old white ex military guys were not "inspirational", he chose to disregard manufacture safety ratings again probably because it didn't suit his worldview that boundaries and limits must always be pushed and structure and reason must be "deconstructed". well, his submarine deconstructed just 1000 meters, exactly where the manufacturer said it would. sometimes it's wise to listen to old white guys.
Yes heartbreaking as we all imagine a situation like this with our own children
It’s such a gut punch, knowing that that teenager didn’t want to do it. His aunt said he was “terrified” and “not okay” with the descent, but did it to please his Dad.😔
I can’t make myself blame the father. I think Stockton Rush was a big talker, a smooth operator, and we know now that he lied. (He is on camera saying he collaborated on Titan with NASA and Boeing, but they’ve both issued statements stating that wasn’t true).
I think his presence onboard was supposed to convince the others it was safe. But as Dr. Grande said, Rush thought he was special. I think the submersible was an extension of himself, and he was incapable of seeing any flaw in it.
People tried to stop Stockton Rush. I am so sad that they failed.😔
Everyone was well aware of the risk. People sell risk to others all the time. This just happened to make headlines because a horrendous tragedy was involved.
Not sure I imagine this with my own children. IF one of my kids had the opportunity to go but didn't want to go, I'd have MADE SURE HE DID NOT GO!
I have always advocated for private sector companies to be billed when they rely upon public rescues. Stockton Rush reminds me of the guy who built Verruckt---the ill-fated water slide that killed poor little Caleb Schwab in 2016. They are so high on their own adrenaline that they ignore common sense. Dynamics are similar to gambling addiction.
Hopefully, the gov will go after the company's and families' assets in order to recover expenses.
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In the world I grew up in,when you do not incorporate wisdom of older experienced men and disregard ANY safety measures,we used to call these people crazy dangers to other human beings. And,look what happened.
The crew of Air Florida flight 90 made a remark on CVR dissmising properly de-icing aircraft as "losing battle" to "satisfy the feds" decided not to de-ice the aircraft again and led to the crash into the Potamac.
That poor boy. Astronauts and sailors train years for such mental stress situations and still fail.
thousands of boys that age die in wars
Great point
I Have Worked with bosses , in the Coal Mining Field , that had the Same Hatred for Safety over Production .
Is very interesting how I am frustated that he died because he never knew what happened, he never got to realize that he was wrong and safety is important.
But in other hand he died, it would have been so horrible that the others died and he didn't because of his mistake, ego and irresponsibility.
My thoughts on going to sea are this:
Never go to sea, especially not in a boat, because ship happens. It's doubly ill-advised to go to sea in a boat that is intended to sink. If you must go to sea, at least do your best to remain on the surface.
For any person worried about disappointing someone's expectations of them in joining them on a thrill seeking adventure, Don't be. This is the lesson.
Amen to that. Having fun is one thing but putting yourself and other’s especially a teenager in this kind of danger is inexcusably arrogant and reckless. I am surprised the mother allowed but she must be devastated now.
I'm so upset on his behalf. I think children of wealthy parents often mature a little more slowly because so much is done for them and they are dependent on the parents for a continued lifestyle. He didn't have all the best decision making skills yet. His father failed him big time.
But what if they double dog dare ya!
Though it's hard to go against a father's expectation at the young age of 19. Poor kid. Parents are supposed to protect their children at all costs, any risk is bad when it comes to your children, what was wrong with the guy.
@@CherishEachDay2023 Yes, I feel so sorry for the mother. We all make questionable decisions in our lives at one point or another (or don't stand up to an authority figure). It turned out awful in what she may have delegated to her husband...he may have had the power dynamics in their marriage and parenting, and she didn't have any say-so
What you said about rich people not being fulfilled by the ordinary things that most of us are satisfied with was very thought provoking. The parallels with the fate of those on Titanic was poetic. Thanks.
The Titanic was loaded with the poor, there aren't many authors interested in their life stories and fewer still people who want to read about them.
The parallels were almost creepy ..like Rush called this diaster into being
Yes. Probably had a death wish but sadly took four others with him.
Tragedy? yes indeed. What caused this Tragedy? money. Now a days rich men make way too much. What they are suffering is how to spend. There is only one bed to sleep, one stomach to fill, one wife to sleep...that is sucks. So that some smart guys find ways to help. One is going to deep sea, another is space.
Now the real tragedy is the taxpayers, how much the Coast Gard and media need to spend?
Wealthy people, in general, have had many successes in their lives and many things in their life have “gone their way”, be it through nepotism, hard work, or incredible talent in a given field. While they’ve had failures, their successes far outweigh their failures and they grow a false sense of “invincibility” (especially wealthy, high risk-taking men). High risk-taking wealthy people are not satisfied with living the mundane life of the “ordinary Joe”. They want to live an “extraordinary life” and some wealthy folks perceive this as consisting of having the courage and wherewithal to
“go where few men have gone before”. And that’s where these high-risk, extreme tourism “adventures” come in. These wealthy men (and some wealthy women) disregard the high-risk aspect of the “adventure” because of this false sense of invincibility, especially if the “reward” at the end of the adventure is something they highly value or deeply care about, (or think other wealthy people who they want to “impress” deeply care about and they think this will gain them a certain kind of respect or admiration among these other wealthy folks they are trying to “impress”).
Thank you putting such a well documented description of Stockton Rush together. I was waiting in anticipation for the words of 'unsinkable' with regard to Titanic and Titan as these were my thoughts. Rush displayed the same traits as the Captain of the Titanic which led to a perilous fate. Thank you once again.
The two rich people on Titanic who gave up their seats on a lifeboat is amazing.
Hearing Stockton was employed during the horrific anti-safety culture period at MacDonald Douglass...ah! All I need to know about that man. The company made defective passenger airplane doors, caused crashes - and covered it up!
_safe and effective_ planes, you know
@@white5mageah, so you detected the parallels between this experimental v and the other experimental v
The only one to feel sorrow for is the teenager.. all the others were reckless fools… besides that fact keep in mind how many risk their own lives to rescue these folks… since the oceangate was an extremely wealthy and adrenaline addicted individual they should be have to pay for the cost of the search and salvage procedures
@@elisabethbordin982 PH was being paid to be there as he was an expert researcher. He knew the risks going in & I'm sure accepted it
Right!
A few days ago I heard a retired USN sub captain recall an adage often repeated among submariners: “The sea is always trying to kill you.”
I've spent my life on the sea, it has no evil intent whatsoever, I am not so sure the submariner can say the same. Respect the elements of nature, she/they will always win out.
Health & Safety inspections r imperative & ESSENTIAL to success...
This indifference for safety speaks volumes! This is how selfish people think and behave.
5 factor model for personality: OCEAN. Hits a little different with this story.
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”
― T.S. Eliot
Tragedy? yes indeed. What caused this Tragedy? money. Now a days rich men make way too much. What they are suffering is how to spend. There is only one bed to sleep, one stomach to fill, one wife to sleep...that is sucks. So that some smart guys find ways to help. One is going to deep sea, another is space.
Now the real tragedy is the taxpayers, how much the Coast Gard and media need to spend?
Half is a conservative estimate. Narcs and other egomaniacs cause at least 75% of harm.
@@turnthepage867 You got a study to back that up? 🤣
Yet people still deny this facet of being-dom and will continue to do so.
I would have liked Dr. Grande to have incorporated a conversation about Stockton Rush's dismissal of the TITAN's safety inspector and the subsequent callous court case.
OCEAN both a throwback and a play on words. I love it!!!!
Everything that's come out in the last 24 hours is indicating that Stockton Rush is 100% to blame for what has happened. This guy's ego and stubborness was astounding. He was totally negligent, clearly had a huge chip on his shoulder and seems to have taken all warnings that his submersible was unsafe as evidence confirming a bizarre delusion that he was being persecuted by the wider submersible community. He then seems to have deliberately ignored all the warning signs that proved him wrong. one guy that went down on Titan said that Rush even told him to navigate using the cracking sounds in the hull! The louder the cracks the deeper the water! That is f***ing nuts!
Everything that came out since Monday or Tuesday pointed to Rush having gotten them all killed last Sunday. Only people who think mass media is a reliable source of information thought they may have been alive somehow, it was all news corporations feeding on peoples gullibility for ratings
What the f***?!!! He liked the cracking sounds? Omg
inheriting wealth probably gave him a big inferiority complex and desire to make himself famous.
@@manager4409 Its worrying that some people are naive enough to assume that just because someone has the funding for something like oceangate that they therefore must know what they're doing.
Cracking sounds happen in submarines made out of steel and titanium, too. In fact, they actually put a rope around, and it slackens the deeper it gets. It's the pressure from the ocean, and it compresses the structure. The problem is that the Titan was structurally unsound. Untested and had cyclical failure. The glibness that Rush had about all these problems is unconscionable.
Rest in peace for those who lost their lives in this tragedy. 112 years later and we are still repeating the mistakes of the most documented disaster in our memory.
I just saw something on a news station that said the 19 year old was scared to go and expressed to his aunt that he was uncomfortable with it, but because it was Fathers Day, he felt he needed to go with his dad.
"Calm under pressure". That would have no doubt been an advantage under the circumstances...
Thank you for a very informative condensed discussion of the man Stockton Rush.
Rush reminded me of a fly by night ,fast talking used car sales man trying to sell his "cream puff" to unsuspecting customers. 😏
Makes me sick thinking this was so easily prevented. That’s what you get when you have an arrogant spoiled person in charge.
Right
Shades of Bruce Ismay.
Not easily prevented. Way too many people in the world with no common sense.
It's a tragic but special type of arrogance. People like Stockton *mentally* live in another world where they are above the laws of man, like health and safety, and apparently way above the laws of nature... Not even death and touch them. Maybe someone should have told him he *physically* lives here! And money doesn't equally a reset button. Turns out he was mortal, like the rest of us.
Sounds like Prince Harry a no all Mr Rush