Pretty Painted Deathtrap...It Happens More Often Than You Think
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2021
- How many cars rolling across the auction block and sitting in classic car dealerships are just like this one. A beautifully painted, highly detailed jewel of a car, hiding all sorts of potentially deadly hackery underneath.
We've seen a ton of sketchy stuff over the years, but the steering set-up on this Chevy goes beyond just bad...it should actually be considered criminal. A crash waiting to happen. The Big question is, how many more just like it are out on the road right now.
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my old man always told me;
"When it comes to cars, two things you NEVER go cheap on. Steering and Brakes. When any other system fails you, you'll be left on the side of the road wishin' you spent the money. When it's steering or brakes, you will kill yourself, or worse yet, someone you have never meet."
True words. Thanks Uncle & Aunt Toni!
I was so paranoid about cutting off a rag joint and welding a spined end to my steering shaft I added four 1/4 in gussets lengthwise to reinforce it.
It's a 3500 car that go easily go over 100mph. It needs to be controled. I can't believe someone did that to a steering link on this old hot rod.
In Missouri your not allowed to weld steering components. Drag links, the tie rod ends, the steering shaft any of it. It won’t pass inspection. I would let some things slide but not brakes or steering.
I am literally finishing school (getting into my 40's) to get my AS in Auto Tech. My Brakes/Suspension teacher (33 years old) is usually a joking, easy going guy. For the first 5 weeks of class I kept getting the sensation he had it out for some of us, he was being so hard. I finally told him I wasn't mad but it seemed like he was being super picky.
His response basically equaled your father's, with the added bonus of "if you start killing people with bad brake jobs, one of the first questions they ask is 'who taught him that was ok?'" I gave him a pass for the rest of the semester.
@@charlesprice7608 and Missouri is a backwards state
In total agreement about the steering and brakes they are where its at. It doesn't matter how fast or mint it looks if it doesn't stop or go round a corner it's a ticking time bomb!
Two things you don't cut corners on: brakes and steering
and the accelerator linkage. Sucks when it falls off when pulling out in front of a semi.
@@UcantBeSerious03 Not too big of a deal with good brakes and steering though. Might shit your pants, but you'll live.
True, but there's a whole LOT of other stuff that has to be done right...like fuel line routing, fuel tank placement and good strong linkages that don't fall apart or over center and jam wide open. I've seen it happen more than once.
So far all the worst stuff seems fixable to me. They can now grind down the tie rod welds just enough to sleeve the tie rods. They just need more reinforcement and the work done so far is fairly consistent with what needs doing. Same with adding washers to the bolts and welding in more mounting brackets to the subframe. The proper work is just added to the existing work in all 3 cases.
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Pretty Painted Death Trap. Sounds like a lot of women I've known
LOL 😂👍
Lmao 🤣 👍🏽
Pretty fucking much. Cars is more honest though
Truth
Oh my word!! Well...i never!! ($$)
As a 40 year veteran of the collision repair industry if I had welded on any suspension component I'd been fired or sued or both... also sleeving a tie rod is a definite no-no also. It will cause a stress riser, it could break at the edge of the weld. Plus in the case of a rack and pinion you can't replace the boot.
Yeah, I'd just buy a properly sized tie rod.
Even for a custom application where its not going to be listed in the canadian tire look up, you can phone a supplier rep with dimensions to find a part# and have it brought in. Sometimes its even in stock for a modern vehicle. I did this for customers when I worked in parts if they came in with a project or otherwise something that wasn't your usual vehicle, and moving forward they can replace it as easily as for a dodge neon.
@@TrueNomadSkies Yeah I've had to do this too. I ended up with an Accord Crosstour tie rod on my Honda Fit.
I find I can use "Rock Auto" for my research in parts.
I agree with you I don't like the a-arm extension or pretty much anything done on the front suspension.
I don't find the control arm weld to be bad with the amount of reinforcement it's probably just as strong as it was before the tie rod was god awful
As a 30 year A tech the way the lift was set on that leaf spring is sketchy
Yeah as you know car guys love to run their mouths about everyone else.
I usually lift it by the shackle, not the actual spring.
Was thinking the exact same
That bugged the shit out of me too. It's got a frame. Use it.
My thoughts exactly and it's not like it's a newer Jeep. The frame is actually a frame. Lift a Jeep renegade and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about!
The prettier it is up top, the more you need to look underneath.
As the saying goes in home construction " Trim and paint makes it what it aint"
Haha . . indeed
My dad had something similar to that and it applied to women too.
Check the diff for oil
Chances are that body work will start popping and bubbling in a year or two. The people who cobbled this junk together are hacks
I get grief from other old guys about my car not being painted. I put my money in mechanical parts instead of shinny paint.
Man i tried doing a bit of body work once...not my strong suit. Cars red, a lighter red. Small wheel well type rust. Ok no biggie. End result, looked like i put on some red reflective tape over it. not smooth at all, litterally like tape. Spray can paint fix, but yeah no thanks.
Same, mechanical issues are easier to tackle because your repair is either done right or it's not. With bodywork you have to be a hack,especially if your car/truck is rusty to begin with. Because to "properly" do paint and body would basically require full tear down and a full rotisserie restoration which is out of reach for 99% of people. For most guys doing driveway restorations, you patch what you can and smear bondo and fiberglass over the rest because if you dont you will never finish the bodywork. I decided to do my truck 1 panel at a time and keep it driveable. One day it might be a solid color, if the rust doesnt be me to it lol.
@Marshall Beav chances are that if your working on any vehicle that's older than 1990, then you are going to run into rust issues and big dings and dents that will require either replacement metal or alot of body filler to repair, which in some cases you'll have more money in filler,primer and sandpaper than you will in the actual paint and clear coat. If you have a straight rust free car that can truely be "scuffed and shot" then yes you can paint a car fairly cheap and fairly easy but if it needs any heavy bodywork the you can just throw the budget right out of the window unless you decide to do a hack job that wont last and will look worse than just leaving the body alone.
@@baileyhatfield4273 you need to focus on prep and sanding.
Like my first semi, the other owner operaters were giving me a hard time because the lack of crome, I told them that I put my money under the hood, not on it! I bet they never got complimented by a dot officer like I was in Illinois! The officer said he had never seen a semi that old with that much new stuff under it, like breaks, shocks, springs, ect, passed his dot inspection!
These guys would loose their shit if they started inspecting Vintage VWs 🤣
Truer words
@@kyledavis4890t
That's probably why they don't work on them, they just threw up their hands and said, "I give up, my old heart can't take it, lets work on an old '37 Chevy instead".
In the late 80's I refused to work on old VW's as the people who owned them had no idea what junk they were, and seriously thought driving some oil and gas leaking heap was actually so good for the world they were literally driving for world peace. I wish i was kidding, but too many of them actually said their junk car was good for the environment and new cars were horrible polluters. Every single one was just a mess, and you always found "the idiots guide to the VW" in the car somewhere..
It is one thing to bodge a weld together to get a car home, a whole 'nother to build it like that in the first place.
And then have the cheek to sell it to someone else!
bad weld
I looked over a car for someone before they bought it. The tie rod end was booger welded into the knuckle. The nut had broken off, and they welded it in. Any average person would have never saw that. He bought the car for parts anyway, and after it was trailered home, we snapped that weld with one hit from a normal household hammer.
And a totally another jerk move to sell that hunk of crap to some unknowing person.
But some people think they are good!
Maybe he was .5 natty lights in when he lengthened the control arm, but 20 natty lights in when he lengthened the tie rod.🤔🤔🤔🤔
This guy was drinking busch
When I do anything to make changes in a car, the first is mechanical. Brakes, tires, suspension, something to make it run and drive better. No appearance things until the mechanics are done.
“if need for speed has taught me anything, always do performance mods first.”
@@alecnolastname4362I mean, that is teenage car modding 101. Who needs whoa until you have ALL the go?
As someone that spent 25 years working under a sliding two post Weaver air over hydraulic lift, those new style lifts scare the hell out of me.
“You bought the ticket, you take the ride”.
*It’s the passengers and bystanders who don’t want to take a “last ride” or be steering a wheelchair with “chin controls”.
I hope this isn't a bash to tony, obviously he isn't saying just drive the thing and its only you that you have to worry about, other people are for sure the main thing in reality.
@@baileyhatfield4273
It’s not. Tony is 100% real talk. Buyer didn’t do his due diligence and for those in the automotive business with “Sketch” for a middle name?
In the words of annoying little Greta Thunberg - “Shame On You”.
@Marshall Beav
Thank you Sir
Yes. I see some "restore a barn find" type channels who relish the adventure of trying to drive a car with suspect brakes and 20 year old rotted tires hundreds of miles home. I wonder sometimes do they even have the car properly insured. Zero regard for other road users/ pedestrians. It kinda turns me off watching them tbh
Yet the only close calls I've ever had on the road are operator error in some way, from plain bad driving, to unsecured stuff that fell out of a truck bed and turned into a piece of junk I have to dodge, or the box of drywall screws that ended up in the road and flattened both my back tires a couple weeks ago.
I think the saving grace with most of these polished turds is that they're barely driveable enough to get to a car show, let alone for general use. I suspect how most of them move around most of the time is by flatbed, until they end up with someone like Tony that actually wants to sort them out.
the saddest part is that somewhere someone is proud of what they have done with this car!
Probably more i fixed it enough to sell it
It's me.. I'm someone somewhere😞
I bought an old Beetle in the 70's from a mechanic, who had "repaired" the rusted out floor pan with sheet metal. However, the floor pan in that car is a structural component. When I'd round a sharp corner, the floor would buckle a bit and the doors would fly open.
Sounds lik my kind of good time.
Holy shit. I just imagine a non seatbelts wearer and you rounding a corner and the floor buckles and the door flush open "releasing" your passenger. The guy could have welded a few pieces of c channel under the floor pans to stiffen it up a little.
@@itsjustmechill.5292 I lost my flatmate Bronwyn in exactly this way.
Luckily, we were pulling a u-turn, and she was a bit intoxicated - she was lying on the road in the pouring rain, grazed and laughing hysterically.
I shudder to thing what could have been.
Parked the Beetle up, and it got stolen - hope the new "owner" used it for parts only...
When the doors fly open take the opportunity to throw some trash out.😉
The car on a hoist . Back half sitting on the leaf spring is pretty scary to start with.
yeah.....I would never get under a car racked like that..I value my life.
Car needs a whole new frame/the right one for the application intended. This is a $60,000 build at least if done right. That includes new paint. Paint hides a lot of crap.
The second I saw the lack of door handles I knew what to expect. I have lost count of the number of vehicles that I have added door handles to that had them shaved in the past. The number of people who burn to death in vehicles with electric windows is bad enough - shaving the door handles makes about as much sense as a woman without nipples.
Could you tell me how many people burn to death in a car with electric windows. I would really like to see some factual stats about that.
@@omarks The article you sent me to does not mention anything about electric windows causing deaths. It talks about seat belts jamming and child door locks but not electric windows.
@@crzy11000 electric windows arent a big deal since you can still open the door from the inside or break the glass. But with a chopped top the window might be too small to crawl out of so if the poppers are jammed you're done. Personally I prefer door handles on my car. If I wanted a new car I'd buy one.
@@nubreed13 my point is these guys come on YT or wherever and make statements about electric windows causing deaths and have no facts to back that up. I have watched this channel before and it seems to me the stuff he says is so dangerous really is not. He just wants to scare you into spending a lot of money in his shop. In this video why did he not just put better bolts and washers and install crush tubes on the front end? No he wants you to install a multi thousand dollar aftermarket front end that he will sell you at a nice profit. He is trying to justify his huge bills that no one can afford. He is preaching the gospel that the new car manufacturers want you to believe so you will only buy new.
@@crzy11000 omg what an unbelievable comment... :-O
It didn't have a Mustang II suspension in it. It looks like a Corvair with a rear steer R & P added. This was done somewhat often in the 1970's. Looks to me like someone bought a 1938 (not a 1937) Chevy coupe built decades ago, got it running and did the bodywork and paint and peddled it. I'm 80 years old and have seen lots of shaky builds done in the "good old days".
38 grille
Years ago a buddy of mine wanted to buy a pre-war car to hotrod. We checked out every old car we could find that was or might be for sale. After checking out 200 of these backyard disasters over several months we finally settled on a stone stock untouched '40 Studebaker 4 door sedan and he built it right. Not as popular as most on the road but it hauled ass at the strip and was mechanically sound.
@@tomlord5398 I built some of that unsafe stuff in the late 50's and early 60's. All I had was a hack saw, a quarter inch drill motor and a stick welder. Got all my steel from a scrap yard.
@@rwstillwater back then not everyone was driving around to 80 mph.
my first car was a 78 Z28 stock and I was used to driving it I was 16 years old. I drove my buddies 62 Chevy 2 with a mild 283 and AC with stock suspension and brakes and like to have killed myself around the curve at 30 mph
Here in Australia its illegal to weld any steering or suspension components
It should be here 👍
Everything is illegal in Australia.
In some states this would be illegal.
Even if its not specifically illegal in other places, there's no way that should pass an inspection.
Only bc it’s so hard to weld upside down
"They'll sell ANYBODY a welder"
Worse a high percentage of guys who own a welding machine, claim to be a welder!😉
@@rubenclark8017 I got a harbor freight welder I'm a professional now 😂😂😂
@@charlesvlcek2550 👍🏾
tbh that is a good thing, but only when people who buy them take the time to get good and get coached by bodymen/welders
You know uncle Tony is serious... he doesn’t have a cig.
And the person that did that definitely does not care about others well being. No doubt about it
I'm guessing they simply had no idea how dangerous that was. Some people are just clueless.
Or theirs
...some people are simply too cheap... Look at all the customer states videos where people do their own repairs and then end up taking em in anyway. I've met a lot of old timers who's motto is "If it leaves my garage, on it's own wheels, under it's own power, then I did it right."
@@mikehannigan848 not this old timer. Everything I do I do it as though I have to testify about it later,
This is akin to me going into older homes with plumbing issues...the nightmare goes on & on-
Just like in the construction/ house flipping segment, all lipstick and mascara ! The frame, running gear, etc is slapdashed together !! You guys are pros, like Mike Holms, you'll make it right !!!
I looked through the comments to find something like this. Yep, same thing has (maybe still is) happened in the house flipping industry when I was in construction through the 2010's (I'm retired now). Scary stuff! Always go to the local Building Dept and check for permits before buying an "upgraded" house. I'd rather buy a 'dump' and fix it up myself.
At least UT is wearing the right shirt for this evaluation.
Good topic. I really like that you go out of your way to not bash on some cost cutting, but lose your sh*t if that cost cutting is likely to hurt or kill someone.
I have most definitely welded up some sketchy stuff in my day. Didn't drive it on the street though.
Fields that I'm going to plow next week..... yeehaw.
Farming fixes can be down nasty lol. If its temporary and it works...its now permanent xd
I got a step son (who I love very dearly), that sort of bothers me at times!! When he "looks at a car" all he looks at is the body, checks the engine (slightly) and never actually gets down on the ground underneath them!! I have told him to "LOOK AT IT" but he still refuses to do this!! My point is at times you get a far "clearer picture" by spending just a couple of minutes laying underneath the car you are about to buy!! Puddles of transmission fluid, brake fluid, antifreeze, can NOT HIDE if you take two minutes to lay under the car you are looking at!! Also you notice other things too, like blown wheel cylinders, leaking shocks or even a leaking radiator when you least expect it, but can only be "found" by taking a minute to lay under it! In one case I got under a car he owned and found the whole rear sub frame was about to fall out of the car he'd been driving with my grand kids in the car with him!! And I don't care what that idiot from Texas (Scotty Kilmer) says Toyota Corollas are deathtraps when there is literally NOTHING holding the rear end of the car together!!! He seems to think those cars are so "great" and "wonderful" but what I found in my step sons car made me rethink Toyotas completely!! Where the lower rear control arms were mounted to the rear sub frame was completely rotted out on a car that body-wise looked absolutely flawless!! There was literally NOTHING holding the lower control arms to the body of the car though, and all because my step son never once got under the car and looked at it!!
You had a thumbs up @ "idiot from Texas". I can't believe the number of people that believe that hack who gives shade tree a bad name
Wow, a failure on one of the million Corollas sold every year. Yeah one rusty Corolla means all of them are junk /s. You and the other guy commenting in this thread need help 😂 #ScottyRules #YotaGang
I looked at a 2017 Lincoln in 2020 and still got on the ground to look underneath it
The new disposable society. They don't see very far.
@@WN_Byers Come on, who are you going to believe? One raging water balloon whose dipstick fell off years ago, or everyone else?
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The welds on that control arm looked way cold. No penetration, maybe just the camera angles but I’d trust nothing on that car with my life. 😳
Yeah True !!! Unlikely to be a capping run , more like a Cold pass!!
True and aren't those parts cast? I'm no metallurgist but I know cast iron is extremely difficult to weld without cracks forming, I'd be surprised if cast steel parts aren't much better.
@@CalvinJGreen They are medium tensile - so hard and tough - pressed out of plate.
Weld medium should be for stick Low Hydrogen Mig, DW100 wire for example heated fully in a hot box and applied with Co2 using a gas heater to stop worm holes. Correct Voltage and amps also within prescribed range.
Im sure, unless the welder had no idea at all ,these welds could be OK but you would never know. That's why X-ray is used on critical or transport components!
In some countries that is. USA if I can believe the RUclips videos weld anything , anyway , seems alot of DIY going on and a poor regard to correct training / qualification.
Haha even on the flashy car and bike build shows they weld and grind often with little if any protection and spray sparks all over engines, glass etc. Let's put this one to bed, I think Uncle Tony has scored enough on the comments tally, haha Thnx
@@CalvinJGreen cast iron and cast steel are completely different materials when it comes to working them despite their common heritage, and welding cast steel has none of the problems you find with cast iron, it is also far less brittle than cast iron, the welded track rod was probably mild steel which welds readily and easily, but having said that as its a safety critical item welding it in any way shape or form in my opinion is a big no no.
@@shfr1747 yeah the grinding and welding right by show cars is insane. You know a spark from a welder can impregnate the glass
The older I get the more I want my cars completely stock down to the wheel covers. When I go to look at cars if people have put their hands in it to try to make it better, I walk away.
Creeping conservatism
I was very lucky to find a 2005 F250 4WD that had not been “”bulletproofed” or EGR deleted. The commercial vehicle service center I patronize has never suggested any such mods.
Keeping the fox body stock :-) so you wouldnt drive an ASC MClaren capri?
@@benwinter2420 It's more like you start to realize most people are incompetent but they're too stupid to realize it. I'm sure someone was perfectly happy with the work that was done on this car. When you buy a modded car, you need to assume it was done incorrectly until you double-check.
@@quademasters249 that’s called Dunning-Kruger effect. Basically people are too stupid to realize they’re stupid, and with that comes blind confidence.
Imagine how many of these are out there. Those absolute death traps shiny cars. Its absolutely terrifying to think about that if youre next to one.
Thousands of pretty classic cars that can kill you are bad enough, but millions of crappy late model ones just as bad, if not worse. That kid next door with the dented up toyota don't care about you either. And he drives it every day.
I have similar thoughts anytime I'm near a newer Chevy truck in traffic thinking about the brake lines under it.
have they done anything with the chinesium tie rods?
@Marshall Beav I am a retired auto mechanic, 45 years under the hood and rolling around on a creeper. Two years ago I took a part time job in a fair sized shop. I quit after 6-7 months. All I did there was replace rusted out brake lines on trucks that were not that old. Brake fluid is icky stuff and I tired of it rather quickly. Granted, newer vehicles have dual brake hydraulic systems and a blown line will not cause a total failure but what's left ain't much.
That Tesla electric will steer you into a wall for anti poison _ax talk
I do believe that car was "Frankensteined." I am not a car guy, but even I know that brake, steering, suspension, drive train, and frame are the foundation elements of any vehicle and have to be in good order.
This is exactly why you get a qualified mechanic to do a thorough pre-purchase inspection! The $300 is well worth the cost!
Always have a trusted mechanic go over your potential new expensive purchases
I would't trust most 'mechanics' further than I could spit . . if you can't figure out how to fix your own crap you are useless . . fix a smart phone by smashing it onto the floor
And this Tony is why I walked away from custom, classic and show cars as I told you a while back..there are 10s of thousands of these things out there...its a nightmare..
When I make a repair, I ask myself, "Will this last 20 years?"
The rubber fuel line next to the exhaust....holy flippin flapjacks.
And all of that is underneath a wood floorboard. I shake my head… 🥸
When I was in the restoration business it seemed the finer the paint and finishes on a car the mechanicals suffered by a proportional amount. When a projects entire budget was blown on body and paint all the rest suffers. Seen it time and time again.
Heard a rumor that when Boyd finally made it the first thing he did was go buy back all his old cars, again rumor because they were unsafe.
Never slack on tires, brakes or steering, replace the floor with plywood but don't screw with those
I built custom bikes back in the day, I would get choppers in with the most expensive parts and paint, that were mechanical nightmares.
My car still looks rusty and chipped paint on top after 5 months of working on it. I have all the stuff to paint it. But having the car beefed up and healthy is more important to me.
Awsome work utg. Please show us lots of these videos not only is it showing folks what to watch out for it is entertaining as hell!
I really think you can point to Barrett Jackson auction on tv for some of these cars. People with money driving up prices of these cars so now people that have absolutely no business around these cars trying to get rich.
People don't understand that their Nova SS, nice as it may be, is never going to get near fully documented Yenko Nova prices. I've seen a few cars at shows with prices that make me think either they don't actually want to sell it, or the owner needs to put down the crack pipe for a while.
I've also been amazed at what some people are asking for mock-up or clones. They expect to get the same price as an all original version.
Great video! You guys did a great job explaining why and how for each of the problems. I just subscribed to learn more.
This is why I can't believe the number of cars being purchased sight unseen. How do you do that? Happening every day of the week.
Reminds me of when I bought a '63 Dodge wagon. Went to drive it home and there was around 3/4 turn of slop in the steering wheel.
Steering box only had one bolt, and it was just setting there. Wasn't even threaded in. Very slow drive home.
Ever seen one turn right but go left ??
no shit... real geniuses.
@@hotrodray6802 had a drive of a vehicle modified to do that at a show, takes a lot of concentration and that was knowing it would do that!!.
This thing makes the miata look safe...
I bought a 67 C10 and when it was delivered the guy in the transport told to not pull up on the steering wheel because it will come out and then you have no steering. What a mistake buying that one.
It's ok if you just put it back real fast.
Thanks UTG for showing us veiewers what to look out for when buying a classic car or truck.👍👍
Destructive testing on that rod weld would have been interesting to see.
This. I'm betting it's just fine.
Ugly welds can be stronger than pretty ones. I'd bet you're onto something.
@@youtubeisinconsistent9169 not about being pretty or not. I do agree with them on the heat affected zone however the forces on a tie rod are tangential, meaning they are in line with the rod as a tension compression. Not like it's a damn ratchet torquing a bolt. If that makes sense.
Youve seen that meme format
Guy: im going to build a cool car with cool paint
Girl: you're going to make sure it drives and is safe right
Guy: ...
Girl: its going to work right?
The guys that built this we're probably saying the whole time ( we're gonna lose the shop!!!!!)
No, they were probably disputing it the whole time making excuses for their work. I’ve seen worse at my local dragway. One of my favorites was a rack and pinion mounted to the leaf sprung front axle in a Chevy II gasser. I didn’t stick around to see it break and lose the steering, but it was inevitable. And of course there was no tech to make him put it back on the trailer.
Should have been thinking I better not. I don't want to go to prison for manslaughter.
I've been watching the rebuild on Jim's page and that car is now in good hands.
This makes my Wrangler look safe and it's held together with duct tape and prayers in certain spots... Mainly the foam on the roll bars.
How my friends C3 Jeep is. But not as sketchy as a lot of these builds.
Mine is an untold number of tricks and techniques learned from Wrangler forums combined into something mostly but not entirely street legal with an underwhelming engine (2.5 I4) weak tranny (AX5) and somehow almost perfect reliability.
@@jamesdevore3022 i seriously hope you didn't jinx it just now lol
These 8-13 minute uploads are killing me! I need WAYYY more!!!!
Thanks for the tips on this thing. These problems need to be shown so people won't get hurt.
What a beautiful car. Never would've guessed so many corners would have been cut underneath the car when so much attention to detail was taken up top. Great video
El junko. Thanks for calling the hacks out ! I have seen this stuff throughout the years and it makes me want to stay inside and off the road.
reminds me of when I saw ...the frame the darn frame .. rusted so bad there was chunks missing.. not like holes but whole chunks where there was no connection and someone welded bed rails like from a bed you sleep in the corner of the frame.. one per side .. and only one brake caliper worked
I've seen a few "restored" cars in my day. Probably the worst one was a guy I went to High School with Mom died and his Dad bought him his car of his dreams in about 1983 in Ohio. What looked to be a beautiful 1967 Camaro SS/RS I don't even know where to begin to say on it. From the 2×4's wedged into the rear frame rails,filled with expandable foam, chicken wire,stop sign floors, to the 10 bolt out of a Pontiac Firebird, what he thought was a 350 4 barrel was really a sludged up 307- with mis matched heads- a cast iron 2 barrel intake with a 4 barrel adapter plate. In fact it was found out that the front sub frame was swapped out for one out of a 68 Nova. The list went on and on. But spray on rubber undercoating and a freshly "rebuilt/spray bombed" engine, to the saw dust which was packed into the rear end to stop it from howling! Sadly after one Winter the car pretty much self destructed. Half inch slabs of bonds fell out the quarters,bottom of fenders, passenger bucket seat held in with "Mystery bolts" just ran thru the sheetmetal. No washers,lock nuts, nothing. 2 bolts holding the gear box on and on of them was bent.
I know that shop ..
Was that on a stock 2005 Toyota pickup?
UT, thank you so much for pointing things like this out. People need to understand what they’re getting into, or what to look for when buying an old car, bike, etc.
This just blows me away! This is why you take a real hard look at something you are gonna put your family in.
Love this channel, not too many old school muscle guys like uncle tony around anymore.
That tie rod is so questionable that I wold actually cut it out and do a destructive bend test in a vise to see if the weld fails, on video. Then you have a legal case. If it never fails then it would not have on the street. That is worth knowing.
The issue isnt the weld itself if the person knew what he was doing. The issue is the steel will break next to the weld due to metal fatigue. It would have maybe taken him a couple of hours on the internet or on the phone to find the correct sized tie rods. Most aftermarket parts suppliers can find the item you need just from a simple email and measurements.
SKETCHY is an understatement. As a mechanic, I’m not really a body man. BUT my wavy bodywork isn’t gonna get someone KILLED. Almost all body guys I’ve known over the years aren’t mechanics. Bottom line, if you aren’t mechanically inclined don’t do it. Innocent people are on the road. Peace
Well so much for my project car.
Its a 49 desoto.im doing what youall are saying.and didn't realise it. Body work interior first.time to rethink this project.
I haven't did anything to front end.. all origional.
Someone told me on yt to use my old leaf springs for a different rearend. To put a 8cly.in it.... I'm not going to finish this project don't think. No.2 never did this before.no.3 $
And #1, the reason you mentioned.dont want a death trap. And could hurt someone else.
Guess its nice to know before I spent the energy on it.
It all comes down to the bucks that I dont have.
Slightly depressed and few buck short.
But the wisdom I've gained is priceless.thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Guess I will sell it and hope someone else can do it up right.
Ah geees bev.
@@jamestorline3965 it can still be done just with a little more attention to safety. Sounds like a super sweet project. Yes, it’ll be more time and money but think about what you’ll have at the end. My comment was just to open people’s eyes, not to cause them to abandon their projects. What UT was showing was something car flippers do, but if the 49 is for you, it’s not about a payday. I always ask myself a question on ANY THING I work on…. would I put my family in it? If not, I’ve got some more work to do. Peace
Yep I'm a mechanic first body guy second. My cars are 100% mechanically & 90% on the paint.
The shops looking great. I didn't think it could look that good especially in that short of time.
Absolutely. I see it all the time up here in Canada. Alot of people put time into making the body nice and I've seen rotted frame rails, botched front ends, people need to be held accountable when selling these things especially if they have modded them without any regard to peoples safety.
I bought a bug many years ago, the driver's floorboard was completely gone. There was a stop sign tacked under the pedals to rest your feet on, and the seat sat on a radiator that was wedged with two towels in between the frame rails. There was an 8" gap between the sign and the radiator through which water would splash on my legs as I drove in the rain. Every now and then I would start to feel myself sinking lower and I would have to stop and get out and resituate the towels so the radiator didn't fall down onto the ground. I miss that car..
Gotta love America's lack of vehicle inspection
I bought a Pony for $200 and the driver's seat was sagging badly. To get around for a bit, I put a part of a 2x4 wedged under the front seat and that rested on the rear bench. It worked until I put in a patch panel made out of a hood and some silicone to seal it up. That car lasted 3-4 years before I scrapped it, taking the drivetrain with me to the next Pony ;)
@@lobmin you don6t need a government mommy inspection for that.. obvious and he drove it willingly.
Very informative and well put together video. Thanks for posting this.
i love these videos. pointing out shitty work helps me avoid doing trash work on my own projects. im self taught and sometimes i just dont know any better.
I would be most concerned about where you have the lift points in the rear end of the car
Man i love these kinds of vids, keep em coming
Thank you for showing this. We both know there are many more cars on the road like this.
I think I bought this guy's earlier work. A 47 Ford Business coupe, Dude stacked the mustang II front end under the stock frame, and welded 1/4" plates 2X4 to 6" as the gap required, then slung a 9" on the stock springs, add a 460, And , Voila, instant deathtrap. $$ is all some cats can understand. We're all in this together. Love thy neighbor means ya gotta care about our outcome more than your income. Uncle Tony, You Rock!
LMFAO. I'm litteraly going out this week to get a welder. Look out Tony.
It's all how you use it...
Thanks for the warning!
It’s like the drag car that leaves the line and the whole rear end falls out, now that’s sketchy
Worked in a vintage car garage in Switzerland for a couple of years. Once a customer brought his '56 Ford F100 freshly imported from the USA. It had a Chevy 350 with a TH350 in it, otherwise it was allmost stock.
To install the Chevy 350 some genius cut the main chassis crossmember completely in half leaving only the front crossmember under the radiator and two befor the rear axle and the rear shocks mount.
The engine sat on flat steel pieces butt welded to the upper frame rails...
Yes sir we have all kinds of "automotive engineers " out here. The one thing that most people do not understand is that the older vehicles were different in their design in that the frames were narrower and lighter as compared to modern vehicles and they just do not interchange very well without some redesign. There are places out here that take advantage of the computer designed suspension and drivetrain setups to be adapted to older vehicles. Of course this is not exactly cheap to do and most of the backyard mechanics have neither time not patience nor knowledge to do some of these conversions safely. I acquired a 1946 GMC 11/2 ton flatbed from a fellow that was originally a moving and storage company vehicle. He had rigged in an Oldsmobile big block and TH400. He kept the engine and transmission. I put in a SBC with TH400 transmission. Of course the brakes and such were left stock and the kingpins done. The old truck is just in good mechanical shape and only modified in the drivetrain area. I could see that that there is much involvement to upgrading and older vehicle to modern stuff but it can be done with patience and time. When we get these cobbled up vehicles done up by who knows what that is where the danger comes in.
Thank you both for what you do.
Tony gives it honestly, and explains the right way of doing things. Tony you tha man,
Question; How many buyers of old cars don’t do *any* inspection before buying?
Wow!!
What a death trap!! Didn't the buyer at least look underneath the vehicle before buying it? Or drive it? Wow!
Great video Uncle Tony 👍 Thank you for showing all of us!!!👍👍
That was my question, did they at least test drive it?
@Redpepper7376
I’ve seen plenty of rich idiots in my 26 years as a tech who buy stuff like this knowing absolutely nothing about cars. It’s always some white collar nincompoop who gets swindled by these flippers. More money than common sense. I’ve always said that if you have zero mechanical knowledge, you don’t really need to be buying old cars. Especially without getting them looked at first.
I am glad that someone competent stopped this hot-mess from hitting the road and wreaking havoc on an unsuspecting public!😬😰
Great content I love seeing how to do it wrong. , I used to look at a site called scary steering with badly lifted trucks and bad steering set ups.
I just stumbled upon your channel. You and your channel are top-notch. I would love to have you as a next-door neighbor. I could spend days listening to you talk about cars. Of course, I would probably drive you crazy. Anyway, great channel. Please keep up the great work.
New T shirt! " This is beyond janky "
Yeah PErfect!
My dad was a trained welder working as a line inspector for frame components at one of GM's major suppliers back when their "Body By Fisher" was placed on top of a real frame (Chevy used thinner steel).
When I wanted to heat up and "re-shape" a Plymouth's Pitman Arm (to clear the starter after swapping a 727 tranny into a tunnel that was designed with only enough room for the 904 that all A-bodies came with before 1967), Dad suggested phoning a steering engineer he had met at work to find out if it would create any issues. Boy did I get educated on that idea!
thank you Uncle Tony and mates, from everyone driving the other way
1- Too many people without knowledge buy old cars. (High Demand)
2- It's creates opportunities for crooks.
3- Their is not enough inspection procedure in place for these cars by regulatory bodies.
How can something like this be allowed on the road !
Yeah more government is the answer…..…..…......
@@connor3288
Yeah. You're right.
Look how efficient the private insurance corporations are in providing the most expensive health care system in developed country while being the worst in terms of all efficiency metrics.
One day you'll understand that it's not the institution that is the problem. It's the people who run it !
@@sylvainmichaud2262 then move. I wont argue there is bs in the insurance industry or healthcare industry. But big government takes so much and gives so little, spys on us, shut down small businesses while big business stayed open, sends military to middle east to "protect our freedom" while they chip away at it day after day. Research our government. Big business and the government are intertwined heavily, what do you think we use our military for?
@@connor3288
No need to move.
I'm not in USA.
Thanks to my Government,
I have ...
Free healthcare,
Inexpensive education,
10$/Day kindergarten,
Received more than 2000$/month during the pandemic to stay safe at home, ...
I will repeat, it's not the institution that is the problem. It's those who run it.
If, in Florida, there was a proper Government and enforced building safety inspections, no one would have died.
Many people in USA are brainwashed thinking the Government is your enemy.
Do you really think that for private corporations, your interests and well being are a priority ?
For God sake, wake up !
@@sylvainmichaud2262 If you don't think the government is regulating insurance coverage you're not paying attention.
I put the rear leaf springs from a 38 chevy master deluxe(much better steel in the 38 pre war springs) in my 48 chevy fleet master(after the 48 springs just twisted the leaf pack under acceleration). with a 50 olds rear end. I made my own spring purchases and used reversed rims to get the tires to fit the car. NO wheel hop at all. engine was small block chevy v8.
In addition to the mechanicals, let's imagine how that cheap clearcoat will look in a few years, and the rust roses blooming through that lovely basecoat.
That's upsetting man but thankfully legends like yourselves are going to make everything better than new 👍
“This is sketchy even by my standards”; I want that shirt. 😜
We see stuff like this daily. It's VERY discouraging.
As soon as I see shiny paint and nice interior, I know the wiring and mechanicals took a back seat.
Not always the case, but shiny paint cars are the biggest culprits. Fact.
Your flag is upside down
Had somebody buy a like idk 07 silverado, had the shop i was as inspect it. He had bought it from an auction (found out later) for DIRT chEAP (also found out later). A few things that the shop caught sway bar links idk some leak ect. Anways, slap a sticker on it, good to go. Fuel pump goes down the road, another shop takes the bed off, frame is just ROTTEN. Guy had used BONDO, paint, and then undercoat to make it look super nice and clean and undercoated. Undercoat is normal in the rustbelt, so nothing abnormal. Brakes this that ect. Came back to the shop with the inspection people, not good. Guy who did this shady shit i don't think had much legal issues if any. Bought it for SUPER cheap, KNOWING it had a bad frame, covered it up so it isnt detected at all, (SUPER clean interior and exterior, nice and just smelling nice feeling good ect). Glad i wasn't even remotely involved with that. Poor young like 19 20 year old bought it, for some decent money, thinking he had a good truck. Ended up putting frame in it brake lines on and on. Every LITTLE issue had to be fixed or else DOT ect was gonna be up everyones ass. I don't think i ever want to do inspections with people trying to trick and deceive people so badly
The flag is not upside down
It's a sign of distress, which makes sense considering
Interesting and very valuable information,thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!
Question; How many buyers of old cars don’t do *any* inspection before buying?
Glad to see the guy who started the black 1967 coronet project is alive and well i thought he had died, i saw the coronet in the back ground down to bare metal. Thanks tony for shiwing the horrible work done on nice appearing vehicles.
Another case of: "What's next?"
"Go to the bank."
I get the impression Bennett works his ass off.
He looks a bit beleaguered
i do indeed
@@bennettshotrodgarageclassi7068 I'm originally from ct also. New haven lol
@@needmetal3221 yup im a yankee. just north of hartford
Years ago I had a client bring in a 1966 Volvo P1800, with beautiful paint, the engine ran fantastic, rebuilt carbs, pretty good interior. I slid my floor jack under the front to look at it. As soon as I began lifting I heard a very concerning crunchy-cracky sounds. I stopped laid on my back to look under the car and all the unibody frame rails were flakey, cancerous rust. I could literally poke my finger through the unibody frame rails. I VERY gently set the car down and waited for my client to return. I told him his new purchase was literally a deathtrap and even advised him not to drive it at all, and the best thing he could do is to part it out as he could recoup a couple thousand at least. ALWAYS, always have a pre-purchase mechanical inspection... ALWAYS!
Thanks for making these videos. I gave up looking for a muscle car. I was smart enough to hire a inspector. Every car I was interested in had a mile long list of problems. The inspector was the best money I ever spent. He saved me years of heartache.
I've done some cringeworthy stuff when I was 16-17 but not like that! I always put a sleeve through box tubing where a bolt goes through and when welding rods together, I bevel the ends to be welded, grind the weld flush then slide a sleeve over the welded area and weld that. even if it's just a rod on shift linkage. Tubing I put a sleeve inside of the tube being butt welded. I also like to use grade 8 bolts and self locking flange nuts along with a flat washer on both ends of the bolt and put a proper torque on critical stuff. Also, when possible build in redundancy in case of failure.
“A fool and his money are soon departed”. It amazes me constantly that people will buy restored or modded vehicles and never have them looked at first by a reputable mechanic on a lift.
" Parted"
My uncle bought a 32 Ford pickup already done. He lost his steering because of "hacky motto ". Luckily he and my aunt didn't get hurt in the accident. They cables designed to stop cars from crossing into on coming traffic. Truck was repaired properly. He still drives it to car meets. Back when I was a kid a cousin told me, there's two things you don't skimp on, steering and brakes. Make sure they are done right.
Thank you Uncle Tony!
I love your videos.