Mika Häkkinen testing the McLaren Lamborghini MP4/8B (1993)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Lamborghini V12 engine at Silverstone on a white McLaren which was considered at the end of the F1 1993 season in replacement of the Ford V8 engine but never happened as Ron Dennis had already signed a deal with Peugeot V10 engine for the following year.
I know that the Lamborghini engines weren’t exactly known for their reliability, but damn that is a beautiful sound. Cool shot of Michael right at the end too.
Apparently Senna much preferred the Lamborghini engines to the Ford or Honda engines and told Ron Dennis to use them instead of Ford, Ron didn't listen unfortunately.
@@acreativename7999 Not Honda, *not a chance* . Listen, Senna preferred it to the customer Ford (which was one of the least powerful engines at the time) but that isn't saying much. You also need to understand this once and for all: Lamborghini's V12 had just 10 points in total from 80 races in 5 seasons (1989-1993). Statistically speaking it clearly had little to show for. It was powerful.... BUT... it also was heavy, bulky, developed too much heat, was thirsty and was above all unreliable.
Ron Dennis only assessed it because he couldn't broker a deal with Renault for 1994, couldn't get Cosworth works V8's (Benetton had sole rights on them) and wasn't going to go to Ferrari (who most likely wouldn't have provided their engines anyway for whatever he hypothetically offered them). The only other V10/V12 at this time was the Yamaha V10, which had scored zero points with Tyrrell in 1993.
The ONLY way McLaren would have signed for Lamborghini engines in 1994 was if an *all-new* engine was developed for 1994. Unfortunately this all hinged upon *Chrysler* (owner of Lamborghini at that time) committing to F1 and *financing* the new engine. Lamborghini themselves were on the brink of bankruptcy themselves so they weren't going to finance it. Now, as it were Chrysler were in dire straits themselves and were actually looking to sell Lamborghini to the highest bidder. In the mid 90's hardly anybody had the money following the mid 90's economic recession. In the end the only company willing to buy Lamborghini was the Malaysian company owned and managed by the son of the dictator Suharto (Tony Suharto). Chrysler themselves would have kicked the bucket if not for the Daimler-Chrysler merger later.
Chrysler showed no interest in F1. Lamborghini *couldn't* finance it on their own. Hence they pulled the plug and didn't supply any team i 1994.
The reality is that had McLaren used the 5 year old Lamborghini V12 in 1994 they would have fared even worse than the Peugeot they used - which was derived from the 1992 and 1993 LeMans 24 Hour winning Peugeot 905 Group C racing car.
And whether McLaren used the Peugeot or Lamborghini didn't matter. Senna couldn't wait to drive for Williams following the domination of Mansell in 1992 and Prost in 1993.
@@kungfucow547 That test was actually sandbagged without the knowledge of the drivers, because Ron had already signed with Peugeot and didn't want to go back as the Lamborghini deal wasn't very trustful neither profitable in a long term after all. The engine straight up blew up one time, but all drivers including Senna loved the handling and speed with that engine, it was way faster than with the Ford engine. Remember that the test was *intentionally sandbagged without the knowledge of the drivers* and it was *still* faster than the Ford V8. It wasn't reliable, but it married to this car just right.
@@acreativename7999
It appears he favored performance over reliability.
oh another fan of slavery
I've looked at the pictures of this car and the test a thousand times, but I never knew there was a video of it. Thank you very much
If you look at the mini docu series The Team A season with Mclaren I believe there is actual footage of Senna driving the car.
@@superkryp13
Do you know which episode?
The episode is called Rules of the game. It is towards the end of the episode. I believe it is episode 5
Episode 6 sorry
OMG. i remember this private test. McLaren and Lamborghini V12 would have been a victorious partnership. in this test they used the same engine of the Larrousse with new specs and a few more horsepower. Beautiful sound.
I doubt it. The V12s had already shown themselves to be too heavy and compromised car designs. I suspect this would have had a similar ending as the McLaren-Peugeot partnership of 1994: one year and then move onto Mercedes.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 the car proved to be super fast with both Ayrton going 1 second faster in Estoril a few days prior to this test and Hakkinen going 1,4 seconds faster in Silverstone compared to their lap times in the 1993 campaign at the same tracks using the V8 Cosworth. Both of them highly praised the engine after the tests because it was so much faster than the same car with the Cosworth even though Ron Dennis, according to Martin Whitmarsh, had told the team to run the "Mclambo" with a full tank in order to limit the performance of the car since Ron Dennis already had a deal with Peugeot lined up for the 1994 season. That ended the possible McLaren Lamborghini partnership and 1993 was also the last season of Lamborghini in Formula 1
@@duartecb Does all that speed even matter if they will end up retiring in the race anyway? I don't think those Lambo engines were too reliable
@@R9naldo well, I guess we will never know the answer to that question
Although the Lamborghini V12 was lighter than the customer Ford V8 engines McLaren were using in 1993, given the complexity of a V12 engine, with more components to go wrong than a V10 or V8, it would have been a bigger risk I feel. Sure McLaren would have been a better home for the Lamborghini engine than Larousse, but what good would the pace be if it can't finish races? After all, the old motorsport cliché is "to finish first, first you have to finish," and Ron Dennis (as shown by how he abruptly terminated the Peugeot contract after 1994) probably wouldn't have taken kindly to an engine which doesn't finish enough races, even if podiums or even wins were possible when it did.
Senna really pushed for the Lambo engine to stay.
Got Lambo to change the torque mid range, made a huge difference!
Great footage, what a sound!!!
Hakkinen said that the engine failure in this McLambo was the most spectacular one he ever experienced. Bits of the engine flew past him at Hangar Straight when the engine detonate itself. But it has a good amount of horsepower and Senna was enthusiastic about racing it in 1993
Holy cow... that V12 note is bonkers!! I never thought footage of these tests existed, would love to see more of the action!! Thanks for sharing this rare footage.
When Senna say Lamborghini V12 is awesome. Just awesome is what I would say and agree with him
If only we had this combination. There was great potential there. The reliability would eventually come along and the McLaren would have been a formidable car.
The access you had back then was fantastic. I remember seeing loads of drivers just hanging out in the garages.
Indeed, when I was a very young kid, Alfa Romeo even let me sit inside the car of Mauro Baldi. Nowadays, they barely let you look at a F1 car from at least 10m away (same for drivers access) ...
@@rascassette Nice.
I walked right through several garages from the back to front in Montreal in multiple years. Even walked right past Frank Williams who was in a mechanical device they had to hold him upright so that he didn’t have to sit all the time. I made sure not to look at him or make eye contact. I didn’t want to get thrown out of the track.
Never seen video footage of this car in action. Wow!! That sound is magnificent! MP4/4 is my favorite F1 car but I have a feeling this one may have topped it if given the chance. Incredible! Senna said he liked the car...I 100% agree with him.
The MP4/8 was already a good looking machine. But the McLambo is just sexy! The proportions are just right and the engine note is pure bliss.
man imagine if they've chosen the bull instead of the Peugeot MAn, only a dreamer can imagine
That precise engine unite ended up being a fireball later that day if i'm not mistaken. They were good tho, 60hp more than the Ford they used that year and about 40kg lighter. One of the biggest "ifs" of the 90s...
The Ford HB V8 was 20 kg's lighter then the Lambo V12 dude...
Rarely are V12s lighter than V8s but they're almost always alot more powerful
The car simply flew with those engines, but Ron Dennis at the last minute decided to cut a deal with Peugeot for 1994 and the team simply went nowhere.
Yes, also consider the fact the car was loaded with 200 lbs of fuel to make it slower without the knowledge of the drivers. Senna asked to put the engine in his car for the remainder of the 93 season but was ignored by Dennis.
I look at how pure and slippery the shape of that car is, then I look at today's trucks and lament
I read that when Ayrton (Senna) tried the car he was extremely enthusiastic about both the power, it's delivery and tractability of the engine...but like McLaren he had serious concerns about the reliability. 😕
Sehr schöner Sound...eine wirkliche Diva
Sadly there wasn't ever live footage with Ayrton behind the wheel. Only in pictures ... #SennaSempre
I believe there is actually. In the mini docu series The team a season with Mclaren. There is video of the car and I think Senna driving it.
@@superkryp13 no there is never footage of it: only pictures.
@@max210379 There is footage, Pat Fry has it. My dad worked at McLaren in fabrication 90-93 and knew of it. The video was also recorded by the TAG boys who were working on the Atlas data acquisition and telemetry
@@msagoo29 footage of Senna in the lambo McLaren ? No there isn’t. That is fake news. Or else it would be found online. Only pictures can be found, not videos of that test run. To my knowledge, there wasn't a camera crew present that day.
@@max210379 Yes there is you fool. It was on episode 6 of A season with McLaren. You can see Senna and hear the V12. You fool!
Michael Schumacher enjoying a banana in a yellow/blue outfit... That is a minions fan right there before they even release the "Despictable Me" series !
That was Ralf Schumacher of Jordan
@@timyo6288 nope
The one on the left (with Marlboro stickers) at the start of the video has the Ford engine vs. the white one with Lamborghini engine
Have no idea a video of this test exists.. awesome upload! Cheers!
Esse motor, caso estivesse ficado no carro, o Senna não sairia da equipe. Que pena.
I’m guessing this is the same test where the motor grenaded itself spectacularly on Hangar straight. It certainly had a lot of promise though. Would have been a better choice for 94 than that awful Peugeot
The combovers on those Lamborghini engineers make me suspicious immediately.
Omg this is amazing footage, thanks for upload!!
Apparently Senna said this was one of the best engines he’d ever used, would’ve been bloody quick in qualifying but wouldn’t have been reliable, because it’s a V12 Lambo engine
Rubbish. It was awful. Low power output, unreliable, no driveability and awful fuel consumption
@@dominicbritt All drivers loved the engine, and the test results showed this prototype was actually faster than with the Ford V8 engine. But it could be even better, because the prototypes were intentionally sandbagged without the knowledge of the drivers, so the team could move along with the Peugeot deal, they miserably failed, as the car was better with this ''trash'' V12.
@@rigel8755 source?
@@obamagaming6642 Almost every youtuber who spoke about this, and this one: ruclips.net/video/6bHSZLloiXg/видео.html is the most complete out of all the others.
@@rigel8755 so I guess that's why the Larosse team that used Lambo engines did really well, right>
Madness then ja toivois nyt.
Imagine this beast with Senna and Mika dominating F1 from 1993 2 2023.
0:43 Mika's eyes "this is pretty good in fact..."
Mental sound.
Zak Brown said that Senna loved the engine
Who could not love the sound of a V12 on top of its intrinsic performance.
The Lambo V12 was a nice idea for McLaren at that time but I don't think they would have raced it. They had experienced the extra weight of engine and fuel from the Honda V12 (McLaren wanted to keep their V10 but Honda insisted). Also, Lamborghini weren't big enough to invest properly in an F1 programme in the way Honda or Renault had. The Peugeot deal promised much but the company didn't fully back the programme hence McLaren going for Mercedes with their "win at all costs" attitude.
The MP4/8B sounds glorious though!
テストにおいて、セナとハッキネンからもランボルギーニ V12エンジンの評価は高かったものの、あのプジョーを選択したのがロン・デニスにとって最大の誤算を招いてしまった。
1994年のマクラーレンがランボルギーニ V12、ラルースがプジョー V10を使っていたら…セナはウィリアムズに移籍する事なくマクラーレンに残留とか。
Maclaren tuvo todos los motores literal.
Honda,Ford, Lamborghini, Peugeot, Mercedes Benz etc..
Music to my ears. However short it was.
I was an 11 year old Mika Häkkinen fan in 1993. At first I was devastated Mika didn't get a drive until late in the season. Then season ended and McLaren ditched the Lamborghini engine deal. In my 11 year old mind Lambo was the best thing. Of course it would have been a heavy lackluster engine that wouldn't last the race. Not that the Peugeot was much better.
Michael and a banana! LOL
Boa tarde !!!!
Realmente uma pena essa parceria não ter dado certo.
Muito bom mesmo.
Obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal.
Abraço do Brasil........
Some say for this test, the lambo V12 made 560 kW.
There's a spy eating a banana there at the end :P
Michael: hmm no no that does not look good, this banana however is full of all the nutrients and looks good
it was the mp4/7 chassis... just to fit a v12 engine...
The title is correct. That’s not Senna driving the car but Mikka Hakkinen. Look firstly at the crash helmet (Senna’s was yellow & green) and then as the car is back in the garage, it’s clearly Hakkinen in the car.
You are a genius!!!! It's a good thing you showed up to set everyone straight.
@@porksniffer hahahaha.....
my god that thing sounds amazing!!
OM MY GOD !!! That car would've been insane !
That's how engines should be, a more fertile mid-range and a softer top-end.
Seems you know your stuff... or you just read Whitmarsh's testimony on the Lambo engine :D
It sounds like 2000s era V10s
Lamborghini engines in the end of 1993 had 710 hp .
The last evolution for test had 750.
Also V 12 was heavier , the car will have bigger dimesions , more weight and more fuel because V 12 needs more fuel
The same power had Peugeot A6 , Ilmor mercedes v10 engines.
Ford zetec had 740 but was only for Benetton
Older ford HB and Mugen Honda had lower power.
It was impossible for McLaren with all these engines to compete williams and Ferrari with more powerful engines.
The McLambo
The phantom McLaren Lamborghini!
After all, the Lamborghini engine was not fully supplied to McLaren and withdrew in the 1993 season.
Hard to say what would have been. With a more powerful engine, maybe McLaren would have beaten Benetton in summer races. The question is, would Ayrton has finshed races like Donington or Brazil or Suzuka in the rain wth that kind of engine which quite more difficult to drive...
Thanks for sharing . fantastic.
If only..
I know these were private tests but surely more video footage must exist of this car? What about the test at Pembrey where Senna crushed the lap record in this very McLaren Lambo? Nobody was filming?
There is footage of Senna testing, courtesy of Pat Fry. My dad used to work for the team in fabrication
@@msagoo29 can we see plz 🥺🥺
@@msagoo29 can you share it with us all? I'm sure we're all pretty excited to see it
este fue el auto para Senna no pudo ser por eso emigro a williams Y ya sabemos lo ocurrido en 1994
best part is schumacher eating a banana
0:47
*B A N N A N A* (Michael Schumacher minion confirmed???)
...and Michael eating a banana.
エンジン単体だけならプジョーより良かったんだろうけどね。
😱😱 ooo myyy !
Senna's desire was to use this engine in the last 2 races of the championship. But for contract reasons it didn't. Senna went to williams and we know the rest of the story
last 3 races...
How we miss those engines, but remember when f1 finally succumbs and goes all electric we will look back on todays awful engines with affection.
O que é que o Dick Vigarista está fazendo ai ??
もし、ランボルギーニエンジンなら、セナ残留してたね。
The Lambo, much like Peugeot and Porsches F1 engines were hand grenades with no power.
Which bright spark limited their recording to 1 flyby?
They made such a mistake taking the Ford and then Peugeot...
I did a video showing the Senna's test at Estoril on my channel! :))
time tables?
シューマッハがバナナ🍌食べてる！！
Ñ tem o senna?
Senna só restou na outra semana em Portugal
@@Lucas141202 Vc tem esse vídeo com senna?
@@allandasilva7219 não, eu nem sabia da existência desse do Hakkinen. Eu queria tbm. Raro, capaz q não exista.
where you find these videos?
That lambo engine was so unreliable they should have stretch ford partnership or kept Senna in 94 they act like Peugot engine sucked it was unreliable but powerful smh even if Ford was with Benneton if Senna stayed Ford would have loved to give McLaren a top spec engine instead history happened
Too bad McLaren didn't go for Lamborghini engines. Maybe Senna would have stayed and destroyed the annoying Williams
To OP
Utter nonsense. Wild speculation based on ignorance.
McLaren already had a contract with Peugeot for 1994, and Chrysler axed the Lambo project for 1994 anyway, so the MP4/9 would have ended up powered by Ron Dennis pushing the car making engine noises.
This engine was the latest spec from Lamborghini and some said that it was even more powerfull than the Ferrari V12, unfortunatelly stupid Dennis choose the Peugeot Lm engine....
0:47 😂