Since you asked for personal 2024 epaper moments, mine is knowing it exists :) I got the Go 10.3 in Nov, and have found it wonderful to get back into day planning, reading and annotating larger format pdfs and ebooks, technical sketching for things I'm designing, and clearly displaying sheet music and getting back into playing piano (w/ possibility to BT pair with a foot page turner). Not revolutionary, but gentle improvements to things I was already doing on a single platform that is then available to search and review on any other device. Thanks again for all the hard work you do, this space can be very niche and often inscrutable
Awesome Year in Review and uniquely so, in that it talks not about the usual device/review based best of list, but rather the best moments/innovations of the year. Thank you for your unique perspective.
I really enjoyed this video and would agree with you on almost all counts. I think the monitor is an awesome thought but seems to be more for people who would really need that as an assistive technology. Unfortunately, the price point is prohibitive. As for the Go 10.3, I think you are spot on. If I wasn't a huge Supernote fan, use it every day and make no secret about it, I would probably have ended up with that device. It was actually my runner up this year (which a lot of people thought was weird). Finally, I 100 percent agree with you on reMarkable. They get huge props for doing what they did with the Paper Pro even though I don't have any desire to have a color device. I think the A5X2 and the A6X2 fit into the innovation category for the modularity as well. One last side tangent, I really appreciated your mention of the Mobiscribe on the stream with Kit and Brandon. I actually bought the Wave B&W when it was on sale for $99 and am using it as a universal reader. I love it, and hope the company doesn't fold. Thanks again as always for the great videos.
With the latest software update 3.17.0.62, you can no longer sync files larger than 100MB via the desktop app. I don't understand what this company's idea is of making the use of their device more and more laborious.
Yes, ReMarkable team got my respect too, for the effort and courage, although it's not a device I've ever considered, but their work and dedication and innovation is outstanding.
@liketheduck They have a lot more basic things to steal from the 21st century to make me consider it, but I do value hard work and dedication when I see it.
After writing intensely on the reMarkable Paper Pro for the last few months, I hardly notice the "hardness" of the contact between "pen" and "paper" any more. It became such a pleasure to write on this thing, I wouldn't trade it for any other tablet. Makes me sound like a fanboy, well maybe I am - kind of 🙂
Same, pen feeling is really subjective and I have grown to really really love how “hard” the RMPP is, especially for sketching, and as a nice bonus it makes it so you don’t feel like having to press your pen so much which will make the nibs last longer
I agree, I appreciate the premium feel, I enjoy writing on the PaperPro more than I do on the rM2 and I really loved the writing feel on the rM2. I do have the nomad and hope to get the Manta and regardless, I will not be putting down my PaperPro. Although I don’t know I will be using the shapes function like that, what I do hope is that is an indication of the software improvements to come. Remarkable has been asking about hyperlinking and other things, showing up in the Reddit groups and facebook groups and watching and partnering with other RUclips channels, so it appears they are starting to make some improvements in the software experience now they got the next gen device out. We will see, STAY TUNED!
As usual, high quality content and analysis. My path started with rm2 then go 10.3 and now na4c. I started expanding the time I spend on these devices and the activities I do because they make me more focused and productive. Your channel has been an invaluable help for me to understand and decide. Thank you. Happy holidays!
Thanks for this and all the videos over the years Voya, long time follower. Well deserved 1st place for Remarkable, even thought for my use case the main new feature was not even colour, it's having a backlight Love the low latency, how close the ink is to the surface, the resistance when writing and the perfect screen size for notes and reading. Also love their attention to details, from the device itself to how the pen quality and how the cover is perfectly flush when folded back They also made big improvements in the Mac app. Easy to keep everything organised and in sync, and the best experience from all the devices I tried when sharing my screen in calls: reliable connection with almost no latency The 2 big missed opportunities for me were the lack of of a fingerprint sensor and a gyroscope. I must keep it password protected, annoying and distracting to type a password every time I use it. Not to mention that it voids the feature to wake up when I open the cover or remove the pen. And I pretty much prefer to write in landscape, free extra room given that we have infinite canvas when scrolling vertically I hope they mitigate these 2 problems through software, giving us the option to password protect some folders Supernote, and to set the UI to landscape
You said that the ReMarkable Paper Pro isn't the perfect device for you. I'm curious what device would you consider to be perfect, or the most perfect, for you??
For me it was seeing the eazeye guy going from ugly prototype to launching the radiant. Regardless of what I think of the product, it was a beautiful showcase of innovation and entrepreneurship
Although I tried the ViWoods Paper, and didn't keep it do to it's lack of a mature level of software interface, and workflow, I thought it was a big moment for e-readers because of the introduction of AI to the market, and having such a good quality hardware device for it's first attempt. I can forsee AI becoming more popular on e-ink devices in the future, mainly for it's ability to convert handwritten notes to valid text, and include mathematical latex formatting. I may return to their device after the software matures and improves, if they still seem to be a dependable and transparent company.
But they didn't introduce AI to the market in any way shape or form. It's just a marketing gimmick. You get the exact same functionality on any Boox tablet with their own AI assistant or better yet, by installing and using Chat GPT.
Great video, the hardness is over exaggerated but I understand how it impacts some. I don’t even notice it when writing now almost 100 days in. I agree remarkable did their big 1 this year, particular because people wrote them off, they kept the PaperPro undetected and surprised us all with color, large screen and as you said they went in a different direction of the technology. Now that the PaperPro is out, it seems they are beginning to focus on the software (slowly). We have seen them more active and present in the Reddit group, partnering with RUclipsrs and even on the social media forums and now with shapes in beta, that shows they are finally dropping updates that are significant which I think we will see more in 2025. I love to support and see the underdog come through when they are counted out. Excited for 2025 and the eink space which ultimately should be making improvements for us the customer first.
Measured and verified or simply assumed? You do realize that just because it has a 120Hz refresh display that doesn't automatically mean that it will actually have that writing latency, right?
@ correct! I am talking mainly now about the latency of the pen. And the rendering of the line / brush. How it displays the actual rendered framebuffer content to whatever refresh rate of the screen relies both on the GPU / cpu hardware itself and the application of course and then what type of out device it is (e ink / lcd etc) This is why it’s often hard to understand what they mean. Like if we compare the power of say the latest iPad Pro to render to more or less the same framebuffer size as say remarkable pro then naturally iPad Pro is most likely a lot faster (like in rendering large brush strokes) So basically the Chain starts in the latency of the pen / digitizer. Then the second pass is to take that pen input and make it do something = create the brush strokes and this as said is affected on the cpu / GPU performance and of course how optimized the actual software that renders that line / brush is And then the third pass is to make it appear on screen. And here many lcd have refresh rates up 120hz or more. So where the bottleneck / real latency is can be hard to judge. Especially for e ink devices where it does not just take more cpu / GPU power to render bigger objects. The screen itself is affected by the size and approach to render it (like clean , refresh, levels of grayscale) - so it’s even harder to set a specific latency “measure” But take the Wacom Cintiq pro that has what I know the lowest pen latency (might be wrong) and connect a very power ful pc to it and I would be surprised if it’s not the fastest drawing / writing experience. In the end latency is like pressure levels so subjective to feeling imo. Like say a screen where the update is not super fast but the actually sample points of the pen is very good. Vs super fast screen update that has lower pen sample points and do some interpolation. For this is often what makes or breaks the writing / drawing experience more than anything else Again not the easiest topic. So many factors. And on top let’s add post input processing that also smooths out lines and now also some AI based motion prediction stuff that good and bad is Happening 😅 About measured I am sure it has been done. I know the e ink / not taking world and the drawing / art tablet world is two different planets. But the hot topic the last 5-10 years on both planets has always seemed to be the latency :)
As a developer and having an ok understanding of that side of things the bottleneck will in 99.99% be the software side of things, not the hardware. This can be either the app itself or the drivers themselves, or, in the vast majority of cases, both. System developers, like Apple, will have a security interest to put in place artificial measures in place to specifically prevent an app to use the maximal potential of a device, which is normal. So even if a developer did a fantastic job and has a perfect understanding of how to code a system specifically for one platform, keeping in mind those specific drivers, SoC, etc, etc, they still would be unable to get the best out of a device. Add to the mix the fact that apps nowadays need to be compatible with multiple OS environments, multiple hardware configurations, and multiple driver environments, the idea that any app that is made publicly available will be able to utilize the maximum out of any hardware platform is simply unattainable. The unfortunate fact of today's computing is that we very rarely see the actual potential of a technology realized. So, under the hood, the raw processing capabilities, yes, absolutely, iPad Pro will destroy anything currently available in the ePaper realm. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the end effect will be that the iPad Pro will be able to deliver to the user (meaning display) written strokes faster than, a lot of ePaper devices. For example, I do measure the latency of the devices, and regular iPad, a very powerful Lenovo Android tablet and the Daylight DC 1, all of which have 60-120Hz refresh rates aren't able to deliver writing latency that is faster than 65ms. So, for example, Daylight DC-1, when in 120Hz mode scrolls super fast all is good, but when writing, its latency is 69.58ms, measured and tested. So, both its SoC and display are capable of far far more than 14.37 fps, yet this is the actual performance it is able to deliver.
@ I agree with the software part. Still I would say that the digitizer itself and that data feed is very important if we talk raw I put data. That said as I wrote it’s all down to the experience and with prediction you can also reduce latency or get lower latency than the actually input data. I mean writing or drawing whatever it’s just the part of reading and analyzing the data that for me is the big thing. So I agree with you totally that part of the software part is essential. As you took in your scrolling example it’s not blocked there by the render part really most likely but the input data part. I am not up to what cpu the remarkable pro uses but I would think same as you wrote that iPad Pro destroys it. As said I have not checked measures of latency as in general in the art world that has more been “gut feeling” and visual classification of the “lag” (the term latency is never really used there :)) I guess I need to test out a remarkable pro. Like I can only go with personal gut feeling experience with say procreate and for sure the latency in putting down repeated lines strokes there is better than it was on say remarkable 2. Again might be totally wrong. I just find it odd that say an iPad would not have less latency. I have worked both as dev and game artist / animator my whole life so spotting framerates / lag is pretty cemented in my brain. Again I need to test out the remarkable pro to check out the latency. Thanks for the info also :)
Voja, please, don't set the titles of your videos to be automatically translated. I started seeing them translated wrongly in Italian, tried to deactivate this thing and from Google knowledge base it's a setting by the creator
Manta is the number 1. It doesn't matter if they made some crappy technology work, remarkable does not offer what it promises. Writing without distractions. Supernote Manta DOES offer that.
Since you asked for personal 2024 epaper moments, mine is knowing it exists :) I got the Go 10.3 in Nov, and have found it wonderful to get back into day planning, reading and annotating larger format pdfs and ebooks, technical sketching for things I'm designing, and clearly displaying sheet music and getting back into playing piano (w/ possibility to BT pair with a foot page turner). Not revolutionary, but gentle improvements to things I was already doing on a single platform that is then available to search and review on any other device. Thanks again for all the hard work you do, this space can be very niche and often inscrutable
Oh wow. I hadn't considered the possibility of a foot page turner! That's awesome!
Awesome Year in Review and uniquely so, in that it talks not about the usual device/review based best of list, but rather the best moments/innovations of the year. Thank you for your unique perspective.
I really enjoyed this video and would agree with you on almost all counts. I think the monitor is an awesome thought but seems to be more for people who would really need that as an assistive technology. Unfortunately, the price point is prohibitive. As for the Go 10.3, I think you are spot on. If I wasn't a huge Supernote fan, use it every day and make no secret about it, I would probably have ended up with that device. It was actually my runner up this year (which a lot of people thought was weird). Finally, I 100 percent agree with you on reMarkable. They get huge props for doing what they did with the Paper Pro even though I don't have any desire to have a color device. I think the A5X2 and the A6X2 fit into the innovation category for the modularity as well. One last side tangent, I really appreciated your mention of the Mobiscribe on the stream with Kit and Brandon. I actually bought the Wave B&W when it was on sale for $99 and am using it as a universal reader. I love it, and hope the company doesn't fold. Thanks again as always for the great videos.
🤣 What's up with that thumbnail!!!
I'm a happy RPP user. Nice to see you in your office/music room, and in that really neat sweater again!
Same here! I still think it’s an amazing device 🎉
With the latest software update 3.17.0.62, you can no longer sync files larger than 100MB via the desktop app. I don't understand what this company's idea is of making the use of their device more and more laborious.
Yes, ReMarkable team got my respect too, for the effort and courage, although it's not a device I've ever considered, but their work and dedication and innovation is outstanding.
If Remarkable steals the Supernote’s OCR and linking, and truly commits to sustainable repairability (not the Apple model) then I’ll buy one tomorrow.
@liketheduck They have a lot more basic things to steal from the 21st century to make me consider it, but I do value hard work and dedication when I see it.
After writing intensely on the reMarkable Paper Pro for the last few months, I hardly notice the "hardness" of the contact between "pen" and "paper" any more. It became such a pleasure to write on this thing, I wouldn't trade it for any other tablet. Makes me sound like a fanboy, well maybe I am - kind of 🙂
Same, pen feeling is really subjective and I have grown to really really love how “hard” the RMPP is, especially for sketching, and as a nice bonus it makes it so you don’t feel like having to press your pen so much which will make the nibs last longer
I agree, I appreciate the premium feel, I enjoy writing on the PaperPro more than I do on the rM2 and I really loved the writing feel on the rM2. I do have the nomad and hope to get the Manta and regardless, I will not be putting down my PaperPro. Although I don’t know I will be using the shapes function like that, what I do hope is that is an indication of the software improvements to come. Remarkable has been asking about hyperlinking and other things, showing up in the Reddit groups and facebook groups and watching and partnering with other RUclips channels, so it appears they are starting to make some improvements in the software experience now they got the next gen device out. We will see, STAY TUNED!
As usual, high quality content and analysis. My path started with rm2 then go 10.3 and now na4c. I started expanding the time I spend on these devices and the activities I do because they make me more focused and productive. Your channel has been an invaluable help for me to understand and decide. Thank you. Happy holidays!
Next, I'd love to hear what you think the next 'moments' or upcoming features / most needed features in ePaper should be.
Thanks for this and all the videos over the years Voya, long time follower. Well deserved 1st place for Remarkable, even thought for my use case the main new feature was not even colour, it's having a backlight
Love the low latency, how close the ink is to the surface, the resistance when writing and the perfect screen size for notes and reading. Also love their attention to details, from the device itself to how the pen quality and how the cover is perfectly flush when folded back
They also made big improvements in the Mac app. Easy to keep everything organised and in sync, and the best experience from all the devices I tried when sharing my screen in calls: reliable connection with almost no latency
The 2 big missed opportunities for me were the lack of of a fingerprint sensor and a gyroscope. I must keep it password protected, annoying and distracting to type a password every time I use it. Not to mention that it voids the feature to wake up when I open the cover or remove the pen. And I pretty much prefer to write in landscape, free extra room given that we have infinite canvas when scrolling vertically
I hope they mitigate these 2 problems through software, giving us the option to password protect some folders Supernote, and to set the UI to landscape
Great information! I always enjoy these type of videos. ❤
You said that the ReMarkable Paper Pro isn't the perfect device for you. I'm curious what device would you consider to be perfect, or the most perfect, for you??
Many Thanks for all the videos. Thoroughly enjoyed. Happy holidays!
Love the thumbnail. Happy holiday 🎉 to you
I am a happy Note Air user for years. Do you think, the Remarkable Paper Pro can be something for me?
Lovely! I want everything to evolve into near perfection for everyone.
For me it was seeing the eazeye guy going from ugly prototype to launching the radiant. Regardless of what I think of the product, it was a beautiful showcase of innovation and entrepreneurship
Although I tried the ViWoods Paper, and didn't keep it do to it's lack of a mature level of software interface, and workflow, I thought it was a big moment for e-readers because of the introduction of AI to the market, and having such a good quality hardware device for it's first attempt. I can forsee AI becoming more popular on e-ink devices in the future, mainly for it's ability to convert handwritten notes to valid text, and include mathematical latex formatting. I may return to their device after the software matures and improves, if they still seem to be a dependable and transparent company.
But they didn't introduce AI to the market in any way shape or form. It's just a marketing gimmick. You get the exact same functionality on any Boox tablet with their own AI assistant or better yet, by installing and using Chat GPT.
no mention of Supernote a5x2? Seemed like a really big moment that it finally delivered after all the delays and drama... otherwise, great list! :D
It was made weeks before A5X2 was announced, let alone shipped out.
I was wondering the same thing! LOL! Then I saw Voya's response. ;)
Great video, the hardness is over exaggerated but I understand how it impacts some. I don’t even notice it when writing now almost 100 days in. I agree remarkable did their big 1 this year, particular because people wrote them off, they kept the PaperPro undetected and surprised us all with color, large screen and as you said they went in a different direction of the technology. Now that the PaperPro is out, it seems they are beginning to focus on the software (slowly). We have seen them more active and present in the Reddit group, partnering with RUclipsrs and even on the social media forums and now with shapes in beta, that shows they are finally dropping updates that are significant which I think we will see more in 2025. I love to support and see the underdog come through when they are counted out. Excited for 2025 and the eink space which ultimately should be making improvements for us the customer first.
When he said late late December, I’m sure he was talking about the Note Max
Thank you for all your work during the year and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all your family
I mean iPad Pro has like 9ms latency (depending on all of course ) and if you hook up an Cintiq pro to a good pc you can get even lower
Measured and verified or simply assumed? You do realize that just because it has a 120Hz refresh display that doesn't automatically mean that it will actually have that writing latency, right?
@ correct! I am talking mainly now about the latency of the pen. And the rendering of the line / brush. How it displays the actual rendered framebuffer content to whatever refresh rate of the screen relies both on the GPU / cpu hardware itself and the application of course and then what type of out device it is (e ink / lcd etc)
This is why it’s often hard to understand what they mean. Like if we compare the power of say the latest iPad Pro to render to more or less the same framebuffer size as say remarkable pro then naturally iPad Pro is most likely a lot faster (like in rendering large brush strokes)
So basically the Chain starts in the latency of the pen / digitizer.
Then the second pass is to take that pen input and make it do something = create the brush strokes and this as said is affected on the cpu / GPU performance and of course how optimized the actual software that renders that line / brush is
And then the third pass is to make it appear on screen. And here many lcd have refresh rates up 120hz or more.
So where the bottleneck / real latency is can be hard to judge. Especially for e ink devices where it does not just take more cpu / GPU power to render bigger objects. The screen itself is affected by the size and approach to render it (like clean , refresh, levels of grayscale) - so it’s even harder to set a specific latency “measure”
But take the Wacom Cintiq pro that has what I know the lowest pen latency (might be wrong) and connect a very power ful pc to it and I would be surprised if it’s not the fastest drawing / writing experience.
In the end latency is like pressure levels so subjective to feeling imo. Like say a screen where the update is not super fast but the actually sample points of the pen is very good. Vs super fast screen update that has lower pen sample points and do some interpolation.
For this is often what makes or breaks the writing / drawing experience more than anything else
Again not the easiest topic. So many factors. And on top let’s add post input processing that also smooths out lines and now also some AI based motion prediction stuff that good and bad is Happening 😅
About measured I am sure it has been done. I know the e ink / not taking world and the drawing / art tablet world is two different planets. But the hot topic the last 5-10 years on both planets has always seemed to be the latency :)
As a developer and having an ok understanding of that side of things the bottleneck will in 99.99% be the software side of things, not the hardware. This can be either the app itself or the drivers themselves, or, in the vast majority of cases, both.
System developers, like Apple, will have a security interest to put in place artificial measures in place to specifically prevent an app to use the maximal potential of a device, which is normal. So even if a developer did a fantastic job and has a perfect understanding of how to code a system specifically for one platform, keeping in mind those specific drivers, SoC, etc, etc, they still would be unable to get the best out of a device.
Add to the mix the fact that apps nowadays need to be compatible with multiple OS environments, multiple hardware configurations, and multiple driver environments, the idea that any app that is made publicly available will be able to utilize the maximum out of any hardware platform is simply unattainable.
The unfortunate fact of today's computing is that we very rarely see the actual potential of a technology realized.
So, under the hood, the raw processing capabilities, yes, absolutely, iPad Pro will destroy anything currently available in the ePaper realm. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the end effect will be that the iPad Pro will be able to deliver to the user (meaning display) written strokes faster than, a lot of ePaper devices. For example, I do measure the latency of the devices, and regular iPad, a very powerful Lenovo Android tablet and the Daylight DC 1, all of which have 60-120Hz refresh rates aren't able to deliver writing latency that is faster than 65ms. So, for example, Daylight DC-1, when in 120Hz mode scrolls super fast all is good, but when writing, its latency is 69.58ms, measured and tested. So, both its SoC and display are capable of far far more than 14.37 fps, yet this is the actual performance it is able to deliver.
@ I agree with the software part. Still I would say that the digitizer itself and that data feed is very important if we talk raw I put data. That said as I wrote it’s all down to the experience and with prediction you can also reduce latency or get lower latency than the actually input data.
I mean writing or drawing whatever it’s just the part of reading and analyzing the data that for me is the big thing. So I agree with you totally that part of the software part is essential.
As you took in your scrolling example it’s not blocked there by the render part really most likely but the input data part. I am not up to what cpu the remarkable pro uses but I would think same as you wrote that iPad Pro destroys it.
As said I have not checked measures of latency as in general in the art world that has more been “gut feeling” and visual classification of the “lag” (the term latency is never really used there :))
I guess I need to test out a remarkable pro.
Like I can only go with personal gut feeling experience with say procreate and for sure the latency in putting down repeated lines strokes there is better than it was on say remarkable 2.
Again might be totally wrong. I just find it odd that say an iPad would not have less latency. I have worked both as dev and game artist / animator my whole life so spotting framerates / lag is pretty cemented in my brain. Again I need to test out the remarkable pro to check out the latency. Thanks for the info also :)
Здраво, занима ме шта мислиш који је уређај бољи избор за писање, onyx boox note max или RPP?
Nice thumbnail
Voja, please, don't set the titles of your videos to be automatically translated. I started seeing them translated wrongly in Italian, tried to deactivate this thing and from Google knowledge base it's a setting by the creator
That thumbnail haha.
First place to the darkest drab gray display of the year, with an infantile anemic front light that can't compensate. Sure.
Watch it again and this time, actually try listening to what I am saying, and not jumping to conclusions.
Manta is the number 1.
It doesn't matter if they made some crappy technology work, remarkable does not offer what it promises. Writing without distractions. Supernote Manta DOES offer that.
that'll probably come in the 2025 list, like the nomad in the list, I won't even receive mine until Jan
Ahahah