Should I buy the same bike TWICE? Gravel Bike Dilemma
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2023
- My Orro Terra C was destroyed in a car accident so I'm in the market for a new gravel bike. Do I just buy the same bike again or choose something different?
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I’ll be interested to see what you go with in the end! I live next door to the SDW like yourself so looking for that similar bike to you. I’ve always liked the Ribble but I’m not sure about 650b wheels either, the other one in contention for me is the giant revolt! Good luck with the bike shopping and looking forward to that big reveal video 👍
My mind seems to change every day so not much closer to getting anything. One day I think Ribble and the next I don't. Maybe I should put it to a vote (I'm kidding!)
New Terra C is so nice. Stiff, and you can spec with a roadie 105 Di2 or a more off-road Campag groupset. Bought one based off your vids and have really enjoyed it. So good at linking the road and trails up together.
You are right, it’s a great bike, it was so adaptable. I’m doubting myself over the Ribble now 😟
I'd go for a change, every bike has their own character. It's always nice to try something new and learn about what you like and appreciate for your next bike. A test ride would be ideal. I'd go for something a bit more exciting than a Boardman or Ribble if you can. The import tax is prohibitive but the Lauf Seigla, which now has an option for Apex electronic is pretty nice and you can choose to have the suspension fork or not. It's insane tyre clearance future proofs it for a few years use. And the Vitus Venon Evo-GR caught my eye too, but is sold out, will hopefully re-stock. I'd stick with 700c for speed, as nice as 650bs look on that Ribble. I got to test ride a 3T Exploro and a titanium Reilly Fusion at the London cycle show - that was a blast. The 3T was so racy, but too firm for me, the Reilly so comfortable but way too expensive! Of course, I can't afford any of these options but it's nice to dream!
Hadn't thought of the Vitus, but have checked it up, looks sweet. I know what you mean about the Boardman/Ribble being a bit boring but not excluding them. Reilly's are too expensive but looks amazing. Thanks for your input.
The Boardman in that blue is a thing of beauty
I know, it looks sweet in that colour.
The Ribble does look gorgeous.
I have a Boardman Team Hardtail MTB and the Boardman Adv 9.0 which is quite new. I got the latter for bikepacking. It's a decent bike, but I too have gear shifting issues. It has GRX600 shifters with RX810 front and rear derailleurs but shifting up to the big wheel is hit and miss. Also there's no mounts on the forks. I have a work around using a Topeak clamps but its not ideal.
I did want the Orro Terra C is south downs white but it increased in price.
You liked the Orro but were not ecstatic. The Adv 9.4 has no fork mounts.
I like your 3 choices and see why you've picked them. I also looked at the BMC URS but the model with the rear micro suspension was too ££.
So the Ribble"s 660b 47 will make it more off road, for me that negates the differentiation between my MTB. But you have a spare wheel from the Orro...would this spare fit the Ribble? Then you only need to buy a 2nd wheel and you'd be able to swap them out based on terrain.
Interesting you had trouble with your Boardman's gears, I did too with my old Adv 8.9. I hear what you say about the 9.4, not fork mounts, not a deal breaker but something to consider.
I've also looked at the BMC URS, looks very impressive.
My spare wheel may fit the Ribble, it's not something I've looked at.
Someone put me onto the Vitus Venon Eve, a beautiful bike but expensive.
Still unsure which way to go, my net has widened since this vid!
What did you go for in the end? I have an Orro Terra C on order. It’s a 2024 model but discounted to half price. No intentions to bike pack, just do fast gravel riding and maybe race, which the Orro seems ideal for. I also live in the South Downs and love that I can support a local brand, we have so many, Orro, Reilly, Enigma, Kinesis, USE, Hunt, etc.
I went for the Ribble in the end, did a video about my reasoning here - ruclips.net/video/ig47lj9guB0/видео.htmlsi=dSh3F6o5QwJThDdS. Sounds like you got a great deal on the Orro, sure you won't regret it and as you say, great to buy local
I've got the steel frame version of the Ribble on order, can't wait to get out on it.
Do let me know what it’s like 👍
I only bought a budget gravel bike, as i drift between full suss, hard tail, and my road bike already. I know 2 people who have the Boardman, one loves it, the other regrets buying it. For me, id go with the Ribble. I only spent £1300, bike was in a sale, originally £1899.00, but couldnt warrant 3k already having 8k of other bikes. Its a tough one, take your time. I dont regret only buying a more budget oprion. It rides like a dream. 1,500 miles in, on road and gravel, some mtb trails, its not put a foot wrong. So smooth, and im 56, not fit and carrying a lot more timber than you!!
Interesting, why does your mate regret buying the Boardman? Will (try) and take your advice, and take my time. Got loads more bike ideas from the video.
@@themuddycyclist he's had bottom bracket woes, gear problems derailleur etc. Gears skipping, all sorts. Tbh, even his lbs said Halfords have set it up poorly. Might be ok in time I guess.
@@aAnd67 Um, not good, I had a lot of shifting problems with my ADV 8.9, bit of a common thread here.
Great to see that you're even in a place where you are considering this, good job! Not sure of your price point.....but wondered if you'd considered a Mason Bokeh. As you know !ason are local to you so you can test ride. A Bokeh with GRX is at the low end of £3k but i doubt you'd regret saving a bit longer and paying a bit more. Love my ISO too but not so suited to road riding. The Exposure is also a fantastic bike, but higher price point. Might be worth a test ride at least and / or you could try my ISO if you want?
Mason's look really nice and very local too which I like. How do I arrange a test ride, any ideas? Definitely up for trying yours, I'll DM you.
The Masons look very nice. Just to add that some of their steel frames are handmade in Italy by Cicli Barco, probably one of the best framebuilders in the world, and you can also go direct to them for a tailored build and colour scheme. It's on my bucket list.
@@markhall2733 And a local company too. Always thought I'd end up with a carbon frame though
FWIW I had a Genesis Vagabond (700c) & sold it/changed to a Ragley Trig (650b). 650b was much nicer. More supple, comfortable & stable. I ride 29" MTB but prefer 650b gravel bikes. Did consider the Ribble but order latency was too long at the time. Assume there is a shorter lead time now. Also assume you have already placed order for the Ribble?! 🤔🙃 PS. The Sendero tyres are excellent 👌
That’s interesting what you say about 650b’s, I’ve always found 29er’s to be the most comfortable but perhaps I’m misremembering. No, not ordered a Ribble yet, honestly! Lead times are much better now.
Pop into the giant place in shoreham I’ve just got a Revolt and am enjoying it as companion to my EMTB
Interesting you mention the Revolt, it is one I've considering on my 'extended' list. You rate it?
Only had it a month but your vids made me consider one am really enjoying it definitely different to a EMTB you need to be a bit more considered in line choice 😂 I don’t regret it at all I got the revolt 2 so lower spec but got a good deal.
Take a look at the Canyon Grizl. 50mm tyres and plenty of options.
Was thinking of looking at a Canyon, they always get well reviewed. You think the Grizl over the Grail?
It's more affordable. I used to have an ADV 8.9 just like yours but upgraded to the Grizl (with the double chainring option as it is more flexible for on road riding) and I absolutely love it.@@themuddycyclist
@@user-px1or1og7m Interesting you went for the double chainring, doubt I'll do that, I'm definitely a 1x convert
Any one of the 3 you mentioned would be a good choice I’m sure however, being a Brighton resident how can you possibly not consider one of Reilly Cycle Works creations⁉️🤷🏼♂️
They’re just down the road from us in New England House and they even have make-your own from course so it would be truly your bike. 👌🏻🥰
Can you at least get hold of all the components off your old Orro?🤔
Aren’t Reilly’s really expensive?? Though I am keen on buying local. Sadly all I saved from my Orro was a front wheel & the saddle.
@@themuddycyclist shame that’s all you could salvage 😞 I’m sure most of the components of the Orro would’ve lifted straight onto something like a Gradient 🤔 Their framesets are 🤩 tho. The wheel and the saddle are a start. Do you have any other components you could use?
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@@Mucker69 That's it, just a wheel and saddle😥. Not quite enough to build a bike!
I just might know a place where you could find the parts you need … 😉
@@Mucker69 Sounds dodgy 😆
How about the Orro Terra C Rival Etap?
Merlin are doing a very good price on the medium atm (£2399 instead of £3249).
Wireless shifting with 12 speed wide range Eagle cassette 10 - 52 tooth.
Or if you need a Large, in the Dark Radiant colour, I know a retailer in the south east who currently has one on offer as well (£2900).
Been wondering about wireless shifting, is it something I should consider? Never used one before be but see the Orro Terra C with Di2 is currently £2699.
I've just bought the Terra C Rival Etap. Yet to ride it though.
Thought long and hard about GRX400, GRX600 & GRX800. Wasn't interested in the Di2 as the gear range was more road orientated and it doesn't have a clutch, so chain slap more of an issue.
I did consider the Ekar but I'm not a Campagnolo fan.
I like the SRAM app usability with the ETAP, lots of configurables, i.e. multiple gear skips on hold of lever, change which lever does what. Fine adjustment of derailleur movement, etc, etc. Also displays gear selected on Wahoo head unit or other compatible head units.
@@jules52mtb26 Wow, sounds impressive. Maybe I should be looking closer at electronic gearing.
@@jules52mtb26could You please leave some more opinion about ETap after that month of riding?
I'm eying Orro Ekar and AXS and can't decide. I'm closer to Ekar choice..
@ MrKosq83
I haven't ridden it for any massive distances yet. However, I have ridden it on mixed surfaces including the Downs Link from Guildford South and I can say that I LOVE the Etap wireless and the 10 - 52 gearing. I was worried, coming from a 2x setup, that the 1x would leave me wanting more gears. However, I have found it a real pleasure to be able to just keep sequentially changing up or down the cassette. No worries about changing up the rear cassette then down the front ring whilst loosing momentum up hills. Or cross chaining and dropping the chain!
So far I haven't run out of high speed gears.
Also the stats that the electronic shifting and App give you are tremendous. It tells you which gears you used, how many miles in each gear, how many gear chages you made, etc. You soon realise, just from the stats, that the higher speed gears get very little use.
Another thing I love is just being able to look at my Wahoo head unit and being able to see which gear I'm in (you can have it numerically or as a little graphic of the cassette). Personally I have it set numerically so that when I'm going up a hill I can see that, for example, I'm in 3rd gear and know that I have another 2 gears I can drop down if needed! Before, I always used to hope that I'd got another gear I could drop down and was often dissapointed when I tried to change down only to find out I was already in bottom gear!
The list of functions that electronic changing gives you is phenomenal. For example, you can fine adjust the rear derailleur at the push of a button, no messing with screw adjustment. You can set it to change multiple gears or single steps depending on the length of time of the lever press.
I was tempted by the Ekar initially, just because of the extra gear. However, my research indicated it was less popular, had more issues due to the 13 speed chain and just being "unique". Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't give the Ekar a 2nd thought. The extras that I gain from wireless shifting far outweigh the "possible" advantage of 1 extra rear ring on the cassette.
My advice: get the AXS Rival Etap!
But, at the end of the day, it is your choice.
I hope this helps. Let me know what you decide to do. If you have any other questions about it or points I've missed just ask.
Obviously, we are all different and others may disagree with my sentiments or recommendation, it comes down to personal preferences and experiences at the end of the day!
On the Ribble, could you get an extra set of wheels for the 700c road and just swap out depending on type of ride?
I’ve looked at that but can’t afford it right now. Maybe I could save do that a bit later
Haha funny I've the same two choices. I've Cannondale Topstone 4, alloy, lowest specs. Absolutely no breaks at all. Riden two seasons and it's time tk get something decent. £3000 is my sky limit. I am looking at Orro Terra C Ekar or Rival eTap AXS, Riddley CGR SL or Ridley Gravel SL. And on top of it Canyon Grizl /Grail.
I've a Canyon Neuron 7 for harder rides - so could go for more roady gravel. Not easy choice at all xd
Have You got one already?
Ofc Ridley =Ribble
I've considered Ridley Kanzo Fast as well - but more expensive..
Not an easy choice I agree, many of those bikes were on my 'list'. Ihave made the decision now, new bike coming in about a month. Watch this space 🤐
@@themuddycyclist I've bought yesterday that Orro Terra C Etap AXS. 42t/10-52t. For £2399 seems to be a sweet spot. Another fella on Your channel was recommending me it as well. Only thing I would change is a Carbon seat post. Now is a waiting game, about two weeks for assembly and shipping. My wife doesn't know, so I will need to face the music!
Thanks, I'll be watching You on Your channel. Thanks for input xd!
@@MrKosq83Congratulations on your new bike, sure it'll be a beast for you. Good luck with your other half!
Mason nuff said
Good call. You’re not the first to suggest that, have been looking at them
Check out NorthRoad, they seem to have a lovely gravel bikes.
They are U.K. based, active on Twitter and seem to get great reviews.
Will do, thanks 👍
@@mikehedges5954 They look very decent, quite a long lead time though
@@themuddycyclist they usually have some ready. There’s a new section on their site for bikes ready to go. How is your decision making going? Any others coming into the picture? I’m tempted by a gravel bike. But my old Cannondale Synapse on Schwalbe indestructible tyres seems to do a good job in the dry.
Get something super premium to celebrate not dying. That’s not a joke . As long as it don’t stop you paying bills
You know there is part of me that thinks f*ck it, I’m still here, get the bike I really really want. Don’t compromise! So it’s not a joke, advice accepted 👍
Do it. You never got to enjoy the Terra C properly
You think? I did some decent rides on the Orro but only had it less than a year
@@themuddycyclist I’m on my 3rd version of the Terra C . The latest version is lighter, stiffer, faster and comfortable all at once.
Plus I have 2 of their road bikes, a Pyro and a Gold STC.
@@darrenelbrow5144 I did really like the Terra C but giving another chance to buy a gravel bike I'm thinking this is an opportunity for a change