FYI items you'll need for this: 1) foam roller 2) resistance band / dowel / towel 3) light weights. I had to pause a few times, run around the house to grab an item only to run around again. Perk is I was even more warmed up for the stretches. It's amazing how much improvement there is pre and post-stretch. Thank you!
I have recently discovered this chanel, I started bouldering 1 1/2 year ago and as I am getting better just by developping strength and technique through climbing itself, I felt like I needed to improve my routine altogether by adding a climbing specific warm up, stretching and also by training off the wall. Got into some research and found this gem. This channel has it all! I love the scientific & anatomy approach. Thanks Hoopers 🙌
This is really good! High feet are mig Achilles heel ;) So, I have begun lower body flexibility training and your routine looks really sensible for what I would like to achieve. However, you propose this as a "pre-climbing session" routine. I have ready several articles mentioning that you should avoid static stretching prior to climbing, but dynamic stretching is better. What is your opinion on this? Besides that, I really like your videos! They are brilliant! Very professionel and you are a great communicator. Keep up the good stuff :)
My hips and shoulders are the go to’s for me!! Love the video!! Really appreciate the explanation of each position!! Thank you for all the energy put into this I’m definitely taking away much of this and adding it to my own routine/s!! I would love to add to the position at 11:47 !! It parallels a pose in an isometric pose routine called Foundation training!! This exact pose is one of my favorites that I’ve incorporated into my warm up routine so I was immediately like oh yeah that’s the stuff!! Outside of climbing I’ve been using it for years now to help my mobility, posture, and over all biomechanics. I really love the adaptability-versatility of foundation training. You’re able to load and deload to your discretion, use it as a rehab-prehab protocol, build strength-tension, which all has an aspect of a performance function to it. I would love to hear a conversation between this channel and @foundationtraining !! I feel the conversation would be loaded with expertise and great knowledge the climbing community (and those like me who come here) could really benefit!! 🙏🏽❤️
Great video! Extremely helpful. I have one question: these seem to be mostly static stretches, and used pre-climbing/exercise - but in your stretch 101 video you indicated that static stretches were most helpful after exercise because of their role in decreasing motor neuron excitability. Does the fact that this routine flows fairly quickly (less than 30 sec per stretch) make it more suitable as a pre climbing routine? Thanks again!
Just want to say thanks guys. These videos are top quality material for climber exercises and rehabilitation. Really appreciate your time & effort. Stay safe. 😀👍💪💪❤
@Hooper's Beta Great channel! Keep up the awesome work. Could you invest some time in creating a video of a follow-along routine for rock climbers that focuses on upper body stretches? Thank you!
Really awesome and helpful video 👍 Thanks so much!!! No need to fast-forward, though. I am actually really bad in remembering any exercises and work with videos most. If they are real time it makes my life easier as I don't have to pause and un-pause 😇 But that might just be me...
Looks a good routine. Just to say though, agree it’s so valuable to do a stretching routine before climbing each time, particularly for indoor bouldering! The routine should target your weaknesses in particular.
When I go to stretch my hamstrings with straight legs I feel a significant amount of pain directly behind my knees that feels like it’s coming from the tendons there. I have to bend my knees considerably to feel any stretch in my hamstrings, otherwise it’s all pain. Any remedy to this? Thanks for the video, very informative and a great service to the community
helpful video! wrote some notes down to take to the rock next time we are allowed to go. gonna try this before climbing. In your position 9 I really like trying to lift the back foot and fighting with the cramps :D
Looking forward to your upper body stretch video. Since these appear to be dynamic (pre-climb) I also would love to see a full-body static routine for post climbing or stand-alone!
You could definitely make them more static, they were kept more dynamic for this video to save on time :) I love stretching though, so we will have to make the upper body one soon!
Hi recently discovered your chanel after Emil name dropped you. Pretty sure I've binged all your vids in a week and really appreciate the detail you provide. A few questions, me and my flatmate have started doing this stretching routine everyday as we're currently locked down at home working at desks all day and developing bad backs. I noted in stretching 101 you said around 7.5 mins per week per muscle group is enough to see improvements but then in a q and a you said you should be stretching 2 even 3 times a day to see improvements? Seeing as we're immobile for large parts of the day should we consider doing this routine twice a day? Also would you consider our bodies ready for pnf style stretching post this routine?
Yes! The name drop has been awesome, happy to see so many more people here bringing great questions. Yes, it really doesn't take much to see improvements, as you appropriately noted. Yes, I also recommend stretching multiple times a day. The reason for that is, as you said, we are often immobile for large parts of the day. That immobility can make you feel stiff and uncomfortable, but breaking it up with some gentle stretching can help you feel healthier throughout the day and can break up hours of sitting. So while it may not cumulatively take too long to be effective, it's good to do it multiple times to set your body up for success. Yes you can do PNF style stretching after you do this routine as long as you are doing it correctly. Great questions!
@@HoopersBeta thanks so much for your reply. If you're still looking for vid ideas, one dedicated to pnf stretches for different body parts would be amazing.
hi Hooper, thanks for the video! i've been struggling with finding a good hip mobility routine and this is awesome! Could you elaborate more on the 'hip internal rotation' stretch? What are you doing with your hand that is on your hip - pushing it down/ trying increase rotation? Thank you! :)
Awesome! I'm glad you found it to be helpful. Yes, what I am doing with my hand is creating a little bit of pressure to make sure that my femur does not run up into the rim of my acetabulum. Just helps make the stretch more comfortable. If you find any pinching with that stretch, try the little pressure. If it helps, great. It may not be necessary for you, although, it is based on an individual need.
Hey Jason, thanks for all the great content! I've been following your channel for some time now and as a climber/yogi/cyclist/wannabe-swimmer-and-runner with fibromyalgia and some hypermobility issues, is there any general or specific advice you would give? I've had multiple bouts of flare-ups over the years due to various activities and it's always been a struggle to constantly adjust my routine, but I've had a lot of success with (1) slow progressions; adding one thing at a time (2) allowing a healthy amount of pain but not working through irritation (3) warming up and cooling down / stretches (4) rest!! I know I'm asking a pretty broad question here, but I figured I'd poll for your opinion cause I think your climbing specific content is pretty great. If you were interested in getting anymore details or just curious about my experience with fibro, please reach out! Thanks and keep up the awesome work!
Thanks for following along and for the comment! Always cool to talk with people who have been with us for a while now. You sound super active and like you have found a great recipe for yourself. The big thing (which you seem to be doing well at already) is finding balance. You mention a hypermobility, which means we want to balance that with strength and stability, but too much too quickly and you may become flared up (hence, as you mention, slow progressions). We want to find the balance in our training as well, knowing when to full rest and when to actively rest (a light session on an upright back, or just a good stretch session). If you aren't keeping track of your training, that would be my only other comment. Write down what you are doing, that way you can see if there is a correlation with any of your flare ups, to better avoid those in the future. Thanks again for the comment, hope you continue to comment!
@@HoopersBeta thanks so much for the reply! Tracking my activities has always been a struggle as it can be very stop-and-go, so it's definitely something I've been targeting as of late. It's good to know I'm on the right path :)
Hi Hooper, thanks for the video! I have a lot of questions related to what is the best time for stretching, I've read that stretching pre-workout can reduce the amount of force generated and it can even make you more prone to injuries, what's true in that statement? I've also heard that stretching right after workout causes microtears in the muscle fibres because elongates contracted muscles (also mentioned when stretching the forearm between tries), which delays the recovery between sessions and can also make you prone to injuries if doing it between sets/climbs. What methods do you apply here? Do you use any PNF streching? Would you recommend stretching everyday for 10-20 minutes or rather doing a 40-50 minutes session every other day? Thanks in advance!
Hi Borja, thanks for the questions! We actually have a "stretch 101" video which I'll link here: ruclips.net/video/XqccZuIpaNw/видео.html Some of your other questions: static stretching is not ideal pre-workout but dynamic stretching is fine. The theoretical reason behind why it reduces force generation is because static stretches reduce motor neuron excitability (which allows you to relax, ie, stretch). It has not been shown to have a high increase in injury incidence but it is generally better to stick to dynamic stretches pre-workout. stretching after a workout is not bad, the tissue is nice and warm. if you had an insanely hard workout and are super "pumped" you won't be able to stretch efficiently and it may be painful so, don't do it, listen to your body, but in general it's not going to do the severe things you mentioned like muscle tears and delayed recovery.
Thank you! I could feel the difference even after just following through the sequence once. Will try to do this everyday now! One question though: is there any modifications for the pigeon pose? My hip is so tight that when I attempted the pigeon pose I felt high tension in my knee instead of my hip.
Sure! Some people like using a yoga block under the butt/thigh. You can use your hands to support you a bit more so you aren't being forced into as much hip flexor, or you can bring your foot a bit closer in and that will take some of the force out of the knee. Keep in mind, that last modification also takes out some of the rotational factor. You may have a hip flexion limitation if you are having difficulty with the pigeon pose that needs to be worked on before you progress with the pigeon pose.
Fantastic pre-climb routine, I'm definitely adding these stretches to mine! I also like to incorporate dynamic forward/backward and lateral leg swings to warm up my hamstrings and hip adductors. If I may ask: What pants are you wearing?
The leg swings sound like a little ballistic stretching which is good as well (done properly of course :) ). Glad this video help add some to your routine! The pants are from Vuori! They are an athleisure wear brand out of SD. I get a discount on their stuff (full disclosure) but that just means I buy more of it haha, it's all so comfortable, it's hard to not wear.
@@HoopersBeta Thanks for that, I'll definitely check Vuori out! Also I love your injury rehab video series, any plans for a video on how to properly prehab and/or rehab pulley injuries and flexor tendon strains? Would definitely appreciate your professional advice with regards to those common finger injuries.
I have to build everyone's tolerance up for that, because it would be a very long video! Hah. But yes, that's definitely in the plans. Thanks for subscribing and tuning in!
When I work split practice/ stretch I feel there is a super tight ligament on the inner leg / knee area (just on back side) I have been stretching for 8 months and still can’t touch toes. I’m wondering why? I’ve tried so many stretching exercises and tried different frequencies too. I don’t really work the rollers but recently bought one is that maybe one of the main things is not working the soft tissue first?
hey Hoopers beta i have a question , how s it possible at 2:29 your back chair left leg seems bend and at 2:39 is the right chair leg bend , what kind of trick is that ?
Hi, could you talk about the herniated disc in climbers? i have a friend that have one. He started with problem months after start climbing. We think that this was due to he did not amortiguated the fallings in boulder, and he start to climb older, (Close to 30 years) He was in treatment but days ago (after to 2 years) the pains came back. In the last years he improved from a 6b in rock to 7b. i see in the gym all the time climber that fall so bad, and when see the "coaches" they don't include the falling in the lessons. i think that this mistake could be shorter the life as climber. could this be rigth? in fact, the last week i fallen over my back, and i felt pain in my low back and neck,.. Thanks!
Hard to comment on that because of course it depends on many factors such as severity and recency. In fact, none of these would be absolutely contraindicated if you have gone through rehab and been successful in improving your motions safely.
@@HoopersBeta i had it 10 years ago and inot i do not have mobility or pain issues except stiffness. But i known that the bulge is still there beacause when i do a bad move (bend or twist) i can feel the bulge is touching slighly my sciatic nerve.
Lol was not faking I'm more flexible now (thanks to consistent stretching) but I still can be inflexible before warming up or if I have had more computer work / sitting that day.
@@HoopersBeta In Ashtanga yoga, there is a pose similar to '1. Pre stretch mobility check / Jefferson's stretch' and I was taught rounding back is baad. Is there any science to back that claim? 🧐
FYI items you'll need for this: 1) foam roller 2) resistance band / dowel / towel 3) light weights. I had to pause a few times, run around the house to grab an item only to run around again. Perk is I was even more warmed up for the stretches. It's amazing how much improvement there is pre and post-stretch. Thank you!
This is the best, most comprehensive stretching video for climbers that I've ever seen!
I have recently discovered this chanel, I started bouldering 1 1/2 year ago and as I am getting better just by developping strength and technique through climbing itself, I felt like I needed to improve my routine altogether by adding a climbing specific warm up, stretching and also by training off the wall. Got into some research and found this gem. This channel has it all! I love the scientific & anatomy approach. Thanks Hoopers 🙌
Thanks for sharing! We are happy you're here :) and appreciate the support.
This is really good! High feet are mig Achilles heel ;) So, I have begun lower body flexibility training and your routine looks really sensible for what I would like to achieve. However, you propose this as a "pre-climbing session" routine. I have ready several articles mentioning that you should avoid static stretching prior to climbing, but dynamic stretching is better. What is your opinion on this?
Besides that, I really like your videos! They are brilliant! Very professionel and you are a great communicator. Keep up the good stuff :)
My hips and shoulders are the go to’s for me!! Love the video!! Really appreciate the explanation of each position!! Thank you for all the energy put into this I’m definitely taking away much of this and adding it to my own routine/s!!
I would love to add to the position at 11:47 !! It parallels a pose in an isometric pose routine called Foundation training!! This exact pose is one of my favorites that I’ve incorporated into my warm up routine so I was immediately like oh yeah that’s the stuff!!
Outside of climbing I’ve been using it for years now to help my mobility, posture, and over all biomechanics. I really love the adaptability-versatility of foundation training. You’re able to load and deload to your discretion, use it as a rehab-prehab protocol, build strength-tension, which all has an aspect of a performance function to it.
I would love to hear a conversation between this channel and @foundationtraining !! I feel the conversation would be loaded with expertise and great knowledge the climbing community (and those like me who come here) could really benefit!!
🙏🏽❤️
Great video! Extremely helpful. I have one question: these seem to be mostly static stretches, and used pre-climbing/exercise - but in your stretch 101 video you indicated that static stretches were most helpful after exercise because of their role in decreasing motor neuron excitability. Does the fact that this routine flows fairly quickly (less than 30 sec per stretch) make it more suitable as a pre climbing routine?
Thanks again!
Just want to say thanks guys. These videos are top quality material for climber exercises and rehabilitation. Really appreciate your time & effort. Stay safe. 😀👍💪💪❤
Appreciate the comment! Thanks for tuning in.
@Hooper's Beta
Great channel! Keep up the awesome work.
Could you invest some time in creating a video of a follow-along routine for rock climbers that focuses on upper body stretches? Thank you!
Love this! You guys should definitely do more follow along routines!
We have talked about it! I just wasn't sure you guys would want to have to watch me do things for that long! Hah :)
Really awesome and helpful video 👍 Thanks so much!!!
No need to fast-forward, though. I am actually really bad in remembering any exercises and work with videos most. If they are real time it makes my life easier as I don't have to pause and un-pause 😇
But that might just be me...
Thank you for the input! Glad you enjoyed the vid.
Excellent, thank you!!!
What are the lower body stretches you personally consider essential??
Looks a good routine. Just to say though, agree it’s so valuable to do a stretching routine before climbing each time, particularly for indoor bouldering! The routine should target your weaknesses in particular.
When I go to stretch my hamstrings with straight legs I feel a significant amount of pain directly behind my knees that feels like it’s coming from the tendons there.
I have to bend my knees considerably to feel any stretch in my hamstrings, otherwise it’s all pain.
Any remedy to this?
Thanks for the video, very informative and a great service to the community
Damn trying to passively and actively searching for a routine structured like this after 4 months
helpful video! wrote some notes down to take to the rock next time we are allowed to go. gonna try this before climbing. In your position 9 I really like trying to lift the back foot and fighting with the cramps :D
Looking forward to your upper body stretch video. Since these appear to be dynamic (pre-climb) I also would love to see a full-body static routine for post climbing or stand-alone!
You could definitely make them more static, they were kept more dynamic for this video to save on time :)
I love stretching though, so we will have to make the upper body one soon!
Thanks a lot for the routine! would love more follow alongs
We're definitely going to start doing more :)
Wow, what an incredibly useful video! Thanks! I feel serious differences on the wall after doing this routine just once a week.
Awesome, glad to hear it! :)
Hi recently discovered your chanel after Emil name dropped you. Pretty sure I've binged all your vids in a week and really appreciate the detail you provide. A few questions, me and my flatmate have started doing this stretching routine everyday as we're currently locked down at home working at desks all day and developing bad backs. I noted in stretching 101 you said around 7.5 mins per week per muscle group is enough to see improvements but then in a q and a you said you should be stretching 2 even 3 times a day to see improvements? Seeing as we're immobile for large parts of the day should we consider doing this routine twice a day? Also would you consider our bodies ready for pnf style stretching post this routine?
Yes! The name drop has been awesome, happy to see so many more people here bringing great questions. Yes, it really doesn't take much to see improvements, as you appropriately noted. Yes, I also recommend stretching multiple times a day. The reason for that is, as you said, we are often immobile for large parts of the day. That immobility can make you feel stiff and uncomfortable, but breaking it up with some gentle stretching can help you feel healthier throughout the day and can break up hours of sitting. So while it may not cumulatively take too long to be effective, it's good to do it multiple times to set your body up for success.
Yes you can do PNF style stretching after you do this routine as long as you are doing it correctly. Great questions!
@@HoopersBeta thanks so much for your reply. If you're still looking for vid ideas, one dedicated to pnf stretches for different body parts would be amazing.
hi Hooper, thanks for the video! i've been struggling with finding a good hip mobility routine and this is awesome!
Could you elaborate more on the 'hip internal rotation' stretch? What are you doing with your hand that is on your hip - pushing it down/ trying increase rotation? Thank you! :)
Awesome! I'm glad you found it to be helpful. Yes, what I am doing with my hand is creating a little bit of pressure to make sure that my femur does not run up into the rim of my acetabulum. Just helps make the stretch more comfortable. If you find any pinching with that stretch, try the little pressure. If it helps, great. It may not be necessary for you, although, it is based on an individual need.
Nice, I have a lot of problem with my left hip gonna try this stretch
The left hip though, right? *sigh*
Great video, I will use it for sure!
Nice selection 👍
Hey Jason, thanks for all the great content! I've been following your channel for some time now and as a climber/yogi/cyclist/wannabe-swimmer-and-runner with fibromyalgia and some hypermobility issues, is there any general or specific advice you would give? I've had multiple bouts of flare-ups over the years due to various activities and it's always been a struggle to constantly adjust my routine, but I've had a lot of success with (1) slow progressions; adding one thing at a time (2) allowing a healthy amount of pain but not working through irritation (3) warming up and cooling down / stretches (4) rest!!
I know I'm asking a pretty broad question here, but I figured I'd poll for your opinion cause I think your climbing specific content is pretty great. If you were interested in getting anymore details or just curious about my experience with fibro, please reach out! Thanks and keep up the awesome work!
Thanks for following along and for the comment! Always cool to talk with people who have been with us for a while now. You sound super active and like you have found a great recipe for yourself. The big thing (which you seem to be doing well at already) is finding balance. You mention a hypermobility, which means we want to balance that with strength and stability, but too much too quickly and you may become flared up (hence, as you mention, slow progressions). We want to find the balance in our training as well, knowing when to full rest and when to actively rest (a light session on an upright back, or just a good stretch session). If you aren't keeping track of your training, that would be my only other comment. Write down what you are doing, that way you can see if there is a correlation with any of your flare ups, to better avoid those in the future. Thanks again for the comment, hope you continue to comment!
@@HoopersBeta thanks so much for the reply! Tracking my activities has always been a struggle as it can be very stop-and-go, so it's definitely something I've been targeting as of late. It's good to know I'm on the right path :)
great video!
Hi Hooper, thanks for the video!
I have a lot of questions related to what is the best time for stretching, I've read that stretching pre-workout can reduce the amount of force generated and it can even make you more prone to injuries, what's true in that statement? I've also heard that stretching right after workout causes microtears in the muscle fibres because elongates contracted muscles (also mentioned when stretching the forearm between tries), which delays the recovery between sessions and can also make you prone to injuries if doing it between sets/climbs.
What methods do you apply here? Do you use any PNF streching? Would you recommend stretching everyday for 10-20 minutes or rather doing a 40-50 minutes session every other day? Thanks in advance!
Hi Borja, thanks for the questions! We actually have a "stretch 101" video which I'll link here: ruclips.net/video/XqccZuIpaNw/видео.html
Some of your other questions: static stretching is not ideal pre-workout but dynamic stretching is fine. The theoretical reason behind why it reduces force generation is because static stretches reduce motor neuron excitability (which allows you to relax, ie, stretch). It has not been shown to have a high increase in injury incidence but it is generally better to stick to dynamic stretches pre-workout. stretching after a workout is not bad, the tissue is nice and warm. if you had an insanely hard workout and are super "pumped" you won't be able to stretch efficiently and it may be painful so, don't do it, listen to your body, but in general it's not going to do the severe things you mentioned like muscle tears and delayed recovery.
Bedankt
Thank you!
Thanks for the beta! Are you a physical therapist?
Thank you! I could feel the difference even after just following through the sequence once. Will try to do this everyday now!
One question though: is there any modifications for the pigeon pose? My hip is so tight that when I attempted the pigeon pose I felt high tension in my knee instead of my hip.
Sure! Some people like using a yoga block under the butt/thigh. You can use your hands to support you a bit more so you aren't being forced into as much hip flexor, or you can bring your foot a bit closer in and that will take some of the force out of the knee. Keep in mind, that last modification also takes out some of the rotational factor. You may have a hip flexion limitation if you are having difficulty with the pigeon pose that needs to be worked on before you progress with the pigeon pose.
@@HoopersBeta I'll try both methods. Thank you so much for your response!
Do you elevate your heart rate before this, or go into it right away when you get to the gym?
Adding this to my training, thanks Hooper! One question though.. where'd you get your pants 😂
Yeah! I love that routine. Let me know how you like it!
The pants are Vuori, an awesome clothing / athleisure company in San Diego, CA.
Fantastic pre-climb routine, I'm definitely adding these stretches to mine! I also like to incorporate dynamic forward/backward and lateral leg swings to warm up my hamstrings and hip adductors. If I may ask: What pants are you wearing?
The leg swings sound like a little ballistic stretching which is good as well (done properly of course :) ). Glad this video help add some to your routine! The pants are from Vuori! They are an athleisure wear brand out of SD. I get a discount on their stuff (full disclosure) but that just means I buy more of it haha, it's all so comfortable, it's hard to not wear.
@@HoopersBeta Thanks for that, I'll definitely check Vuori out! Also I love your injury rehab video series, any plans for a video on how to properly prehab and/or rehab pulley injuries and flexor tendon strains? Would definitely appreciate your professional advice with regards to those common finger injuries.
I have to build everyone's tolerance up for that, because it would be a very long video! Hah. But yes, that's definitely in the plans. Thanks for subscribing and tuning in!
When I work split practice/ stretch I feel there is a super tight ligament on the inner leg / knee area (just on back side) I have been stretching for 8 months and still can’t touch toes. I’m wondering why? I’ve tried so many stretching exercises and tried different frequencies too. I don’t really work the rollers but recently bought one is that maybe one of the main things is not working the soft tissue first?
Excellent, I am Gumby now
hey Hoopers beta i have a question , how s it possible at 2:29 your back chair left leg seems bend and at 2:39 is the right chair leg bend , what kind of trick is that ?
Hi, could you talk about the herniated disc in climbers? i have a friend that have one. He started with problem months after start climbing. We think that this was due to he did not amortiguated the fallings in boulder, and he start to climb older, (Close to 30 years) He was in treatment but days ago (after to 2 years) the pains came back. In the last years he improved from a 6b in rock to 7b. i see in the gym all the time climber that fall so bad, and when see the "coaches" they don't include the falling in the lessons. i think that this mistake could be shorter the life as climber. could this be rigth? in fact, the last week i fallen over my back, and i felt pain in my low back and neck,.. Thanks!
@HoopersBeta Nice video ! Which of your exercises is not recommended for someone that had a herniated disc on L4-L5 ?
Hard to comment on that because of course it depends on many factors such as severity and recency. In fact, none of these would be absolutely contraindicated if you have gone through rehab and been successful in improving your motions safely.
@@HoopersBeta i had it 10 years ago and inot i do not have mobility or pain issues except stiffness.
But i known that the bulge is still there beacause when i do a bad move (bend or twist) i can feel the bulge is touching slighly my sciatic nerve.
Are you really so inflexible or faking it? :D
Lol was not faking
I'm more flexible now (thanks to consistent stretching) but I still can be inflexible before warming up or if I have had more computer work / sitting that day.
@@HoopersBeta In Ashtanga yoga, there is a pose similar to '1. Pre stretch mobility check / Jefferson's stretch' and I was taught rounding back is baad. Is there any science to back that claim? 🧐
where do you get your pants?? i want them lol
Vuori Clothing! Great stuff.
Anyone know who makes those green pants he has on?
Vuori is the brand
Jay-San's Kung Fu*
haha :)
This feels great even if it makes me feel that I am made of wood
With the price of lumber these days, being made of wood ain’t so bad ;)
its mostly a misleading title. the other stuff
is just fine.
Isn't it a pretty terrible result for somebody who is stretching regularly? Either he is not practicing his own routine or it's not very useful.