Why The Bambu Lab X1 Carbon is a PhD Master Class in 3D Printer Design
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Let's disassemble the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon and see what it is really made of (after doing some test prints of course).
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0:00: 🖨️ The importance of diversity in 3D printer design and the impact of winning models on the industry.
5:44: ⚙️ In-depth discussion on hinge options for glass door opening in 3D printer design.
11:33: 🖨️ Insight into the design of the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon 3D printer, including the coreXY movement system, belt configuration, and cable chain.
17:04: ⚙️ Analysis of the 3D printer design, including the tensioner, belt, and stepper motors.
23:05: ⚙️ Detailed explanation of the unique design features of the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon 3D printer, including its proprietary parts and filament handling mechanism.
28:36: 🔄 Violation of the spirit of Open Source by not sharing code, but understandable due to fear of copycats in China.
34:20: 🖨️ Challenges with print error, auto calibration, and slicer in Bambu Lab X1 Carbon 3D printer.
40:28: ⚙️ Challenges with purging different filaments at specific temperatures manually and suggestions for improvement.
46:13: ⚙️ Revolution in 3D printer design: comparison of print quality and ease of use between two printers, showcasing progress over the years.
51:48: 🖨️ In-depth review of the impressive 3D printer design, focusing on electronics, sealing, and functionality.
57:38: ⚙️ Concerns about wear on brass bushings due to off-center loads and sliding belts in the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon 3D printer.
1:03:16: 🖨️ Insight into the design and components of the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon 3D printer.
1:09:07: 🖨️ Concerns about potential CCP influence on Bambu Lab X1 Carbon 3D printer design and functionality.
I ordered mine on 2/2/23, UPS says I get it on 2/9/23 -- one week.
Apparently I was misinformed. Thank you for the correction. Perhaps the 3 week delay only applies to the P1P.
Same. I ordered mine 2/6 and it shipped today 2/9, should be here on the 14th.
If you order without the AMS it’s a different story. They have those listed as preorders with a 2 week lead time.
Similar for me. Ordered 2/2 to be delivered 2/10.
well I ordered mine 15.12.2022 and got it 6.02.2023 for fuck sake xD
@@DesignPrototypeTest I ordered a P1P at the end of January and it arrived 5 days later
Long video with a lot of speculation rather than answers. Why not get Bambu Lab engineer on your channel to explain. I think you ate clearly missing some key engineering design principles and mentioning changes that are not needed like complicating the bed design on a printer that does perfect first layers always. To do what you suggest with “simply” more steppers doesn’t consider the frame design and space to accommodate let alone additional wiring and main board changes. All in all, without the detail of why they chose the options they did, the speculation is not helpful. I watched half and then the value was lost, sorry, hope this helps your thinking on delivering in future…
I concur, it came off very arrogant in intention while seeming very ignorant in knowledge. Like you just wanted to show off.
I agree, quite a bit of misinformation as well. I got about 40 mins into the video and had enough.
Actually the only blogger so far who showed what this printer really is, instead of "Wow it trembles my table" and "Look, I can print from my phone" BS. = )
1:01:26 That green component with the two copper windings is not a transformer. It is a "common-mode choke" which is used to filter noise from the printer electronics from going back down the power cord and "transmitting" through your house. It is yet another sign of a high-quality design and implementation.
That the choke exists isn't a sign of high quality design, and especially of high quality implementation. That would be determined by the actual performance. Limiting conducted emissions is a legal requirement to sell a product in most countries.
That's not to say it's a bad design. It may well be great. I love my X1C dearly.
SO MUCH supposed "hardcore engineering analysis" of products like this on the internet does this though, and it's getting tiresome. WOW they have *legally mandated component!* It's amazing space age design! GOSH even NASA can't design anything this well! How well does it work? I have no idea haha, but look at it!
Would be good to get a real engineer with actual experience to give their hottakes once in a while. And even they do it.
@@Rokmononov I think noise filtering may be critical for some sensing
bro, a prusa fan said they wish my house would burn down after i posted a joke about prusa xl clones.You're the goat keep the content up
They are insane, aren't they? Who could have ever imagined that what is essentially a DIY robotics company would have soccer hooligans supporting it. There's no logic with them. They just want to be part of a winning team. They say a bunch of words that sound logical but they're a cheat. They've already come to the conclusion that Prusa is a winner. So when they talk about the technical issues they aren't looking for truth. They are just trying to make Prusa win. They will fight against all evidence to the contrary. No matter how truthful.
@Design Prototype Test it's like video game console fan fanboyism only worse.
Lmao
FYI... you can save to an SD-Card from the slicer... With the latest software update you can also save files to the SD-Card while in the printer. There is also a local network functionality.
Came here to say this, you now have three options. Print goes through the cloud as before, Send goes through the cloud and is saved to the SD, Export is saved as a 3mf file to a local device without going through the cloud. Click the arrow next to print plate to see these options.
mine will not save to sd card while In printer I can send 1 file there but if send second one deletes first and after print it's gone also
@@jamesharris9894 Save your project, so you will get a filename to save! Though there ist a dialog to change the filename in the send procedure it's not used (mybe a bug), the project name is used as filename.
Hell ya, i was really hoping they would implement LAN connection. That's awesome!
I just ordered my x1c combo yesterday. im too excited.
lan breaks connection to bambu studio and app. so pretty useless until we can get a cura plugin for it.
If Apple made a 3D printer, it would break right after apple care was up and charge 30 grand for a $400 3d printer. Lets be real here.
I like that single Z motor. So much simpler and everything synced on all lead screws. No need for a 3 motors and more complexity. Its actually well designed and thought here. :)
You are correct. It's the K.I.S.S. principle. Added functionality could justify the increased complexity. If slicers were able to use bed tilts in non-planner printing that could justify the added stepper motors. But this is all fantasy. For the current state of affairs, one motor is superior.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Tilting beds add more degrees of freedom for miscalibration error.
I'm really glad you made a deep dive in to this printer. I've watched loads of reviews of the dev kits but most just talk about the features and print benchies, where as you critically review the mechanical design and components and give honest feedback. It's sad that the majority of 3D printing channels end up being super positive, gloss over the negatives and then give sales pitches, whereas you point out the negatives as well which are what owners really want to know and need to be aware of
Thank you for the kind comment. It feels good to be recognized. I appreciate you too.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Great detailed on-point review! Also, your comments and opinions are valuable and valued.
The power supply board you asked about is almost certainly a SEPIC design, very nice actually.
Thanks for your efforts and outspoken-ness!
sELF LUBRICATING BUSHINGS ARE LIKE THAT ARE USED IN INJECTION MOLDING ALL THE TIME
Agreed!
I guess he didn't want people seeing what he did to me on Twitter today.
Pretty rich coming from the guy who blocks me on Twitter even though I never said a thing to or about you over there before yesterday.
Just check the test_prototype account on the date of 3/12 and work your way forward if you want to know what happened and why Matt is still lying.
The gap between belts is due to unique solution. there is no X and Y movements. Instead upper belt moves the head 45° like in infill movement, and the second belt moves the head in another 45°. So most of the time you are printing diagonnaly infill, so only one motor is doing hard job, the second is just adding small steps. In next layer -45 diagonnally, the most work is doing the second motor and the first one just adding small steps.
I just got my X1C yesterday its a game changer.. I'm so impressed.. if Apple made this printer it would be unaffordable and unreliable.
No, it might be more expensive, but it would be better and even more innovative with much better and higher featured software with APIs for third party software developers and a better warrantee.
@@melgross
Apple products are overpriced and poorly engineered.
@@boggisthecat good for you. Nobody cares what you buy.
@@melgross
You appear to care.
Stuck using a Samsung are we?
At 34:50 you see three green checkmarks, you can unklick them and the printer will skip the step you dont want, like in Bambu Studio. 40:00 If you select 'Send' instead of 'print plate' the file will be send to the SD card that is in the printer. Then you can print it from there.
Dude omg thank you! I didn't know you can save it to the SDcard that way!
New to the 3D printing. Not really wanting a new hobby, or at least not wanting to be an enthusiast tweaking every setting and modding my printer. I want the tool to print things I need around the house for which there are no off the shelf solutions that are a true fit. This is one of the most objective and informative reviews I've seen of this printer and really helps set my expectations for this tool. Thank you so much for putting so much time and attention into this video!
Im in the exact same boat as you are! I tried to go the starter printer route with a creality ender 3 and I ended spending more time fixing and adjusting the machine than I did using it. It ended up sitting there doing nothing for months on end. Im purchasing this printer soon and I hope you have a flawless time with it as well.
I have one and I am totally impressed, that thing is incredible, thats all I can say about it.
As much as I’ve been annoyed by some of the content on your channel, this is what I stayed subscribed for. Bar none, the best review of this printer I’ve ever seen. The insights you have shared, and the depths that you’ve reached, are exactly what I’d like to see in a review. Thank you.
I was thinking the same thing and wondering if there were any comments about it. "Glass is half full" is definitely the method of presentation here and the first time I've seen someone spend over an hour doing it. I found myself being agitated by that and I had to watch the video over the course of a few days to keep myself from feeling like I was listening to my mother-in-law talk about the world. However, I couldn't help but appreciate the level of detail and knowledge the presenter has about this printer. I learned quite a lot of things I did not in any other review. I can't believe I'm saying this but I will probably hit that like and subscribe button for future content.
He overthinks things. It’s as though he’s looking for things to criticize as well as praise. The 50c temp where the electronics is, is an example. 50c is a pretty much standard temp for electronics and shouldn’t prove a problem.
I recently purchased the new lower priced $600 Bambu P1P and it arrived in two days. I'm absolutely blown away by it and it's not even the flagship model. Never again, and I mean NEVER can I go back to super low budget printers. The P1P itself is the budget version for Bambu and even then, it blows away anything priced under it and yes, in my opinion, it's better than the Prusa MK3 and MK4. It's pre-built and you'll set it up and print a benchy with 40 minutes of unboxing it. I enjoy 3D printing again❤❤❤
Just got the P1P. Fantastic review. I didn't think that "filter" would do much. I'm using a HEPA filter and 5 pounds are activated carbon VENTED to the outside when I print ABS. VOC's sink so I have the fan on the bottom of the my enclosure.
Best review of this printer I saw on YT! You touched a lot of issues the paid zombie reviewers did not! Keep up the good work!
That offset cooling style I first saw a year or so ago by Pro3D's video: "fan duct design optimizing by CFD | 3D printer toolhead design | the Triquetra"
He had that offset/non-symentrical design pretty similar in concept, though different implementation.
Really cool video looking at that. :)
I have never watched a review where the reviewer make cogent credible argument for both sides of each design choice. Masterful
Well, I've never been praised for such a thing before. This comment says as much about me as it does about you. Have a great day!
This is a great video.
Rarely do I see such a solid review from a mechanical design, manufacturing and engineering perspective.
We need more high guality content like this on youtube, not just some "copy-paste" type unboxing video.
By the way, glad to see someone talking about concerns about Chinese tech companies, its not politics but information security, everyone should pay more attention to it.
Great video with some minor errors but I think others have addressed it.
This has been one of the most in depth videos I have seen so "geek up" the great work.
I have been printing on the X1CC since Aug of 2022 and getting close to 2k hours and this printer is by far the best printer I have used.
Ender 3- retired
Prusa mk3s+ -$$$ Regrets and retired
Ankermake m5(still sitting in sealed box since Dec 2022)
X1CC- my go too.
While the two printers I had previously (a Sidewinder X1 and a CR10-version) are a lot lower priced than the X1CC obviously is.. I'm not looking back at all. Never printed as much as I have with the X1CC
The M5 is worth cracking open for single color prints.
Just like you just opened it up . Other companies like creality are going to copy it like k1 and make it cheaper. I think that printer is made cheaply. It's made very good. But not good enough. Just like other companies copied DJI. The mini sd can be fixed and the python can be over written. Non of that is new. I give it 2 month or so. Klipper is not new and can be changed and copied. I agree with everything you said.
Might look similar but Creality doesn't do well at updating firmware. Also, sit the outputs beside each other and you can tell which is Bambu vs K1. Quality just not there for K1.
Credit where credit is due, the first implementation for a single nozzle multi color/material printer with a toolhead filament cutter, is from the SMuFF project. It truly is the best method for adding reliability to filament switching type multi color/material printing. Love the breakdown. Keep up the good work man.
I was wondering about this! I even asked on Twitter if anyone knew of prior art for that functionality. Do you have a link? I just want looking on Google and couldn't find anything.
Soo, turns out that you can't add links to comments. If you type in "the smuff google sites" into a browser, it should be the first link that comes up.
Here's a link to a video from the creator of the smuff. If it works the link to the site is in the bottom of the description, ruclips.net/video/9xR9MkAh_Ww/видео.html
FANTASTIC! Thank you! Sorry about the link restriction. I forgot about that.
You can just post video code 9xR9MkAh_Ww and youtube will let it pass. Or.. Use Base64 = )
aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmFzZTY0ZGVjb2RlLm9yZy8=
Thanks for these interesting inputs and just taking us along real experiences!
These videos right here are why I follow you man. Absolutely phenomenal review and deep dive.
Regarding heat damage to the principal control circuit, (at 50.40) I think the idea is to draw ambient/cool external air into the enclosure - past the circuit, by creating negative pressure - via an exhaust fan. The perf's on the case back may also suggest this approach. If this is the case, by adding a temp. sensor in the control area you may experiment with more insulation? - Thank you for your thorough review! Very good!
Some minor updates on the issues you shared in this video:
- You can now use a LAN-only mode if you don't want to use the cloud.
- You can now enable a 'print cache' option that will automatically save any print you send to the printer wirelessly and have it store them on the SD card for repeat prints, which shows up as a 3rd tab on the model selection screen.
- 50:34 While discussing the airflow over the mainboard you seemed to have missed the dedicated fan that is visible to the right of it, which draws in fresh air from the side panel.
- Some more power-user settings, such as manually setting flow rates and K values for a given filament, have been added to Bambu studio in software updates.
Bambu also now sells their own adhesive liquid from their store, $16.99 for 60ml so still not cheap, but comes with a nice applicator so you generally only use a very, very small amount, no spray bottle.
You have to connect to the cloud at some point to update firmware. With the amount of fixes and enhancements they've made since release, this is essential, and using LAN only mode forever is not a real option
Thanks for another super detailed look and thoughtful commmentary. It's nice to be able to get this close without actually buying one.
You can send the g-code from Bambu slicer to the SD card or even through LAN mode
Don't have to use their cloud to use the printer
Great video! Few things come to mind.
12:50 Lidar implementation is nothing new to 3d printing or CNC, i use one from Keyence to check weld on the fly on welding machine. The problem is cost vs functionality, It can be useful but it does not add much to print quality, thats why i think nobody would implement them in 3D printer. Dji drones usually use proximity sensors and camera vision not Lidar.
16:55 The 3 lead screw cost is not only 5$ for stepper motor, it add complexity to motherboard and some to firmware, add extra stepper motor driver for like 5$ each, wires and connectors, plus mounting motor on each lead screw without timing belt would add much height to printer (motor height plus clutch).
19:40 Adding stepper motors to front would not only bump the front but also sides to wrap frame around motors. Belt path on sides is pretty close to frame and motor would not fit easily i think. Adding the extra pulleys not only wrap belt around motor shaft but motors can be moved inside frame. pretty smart solution i think.
I have mixed feeling about this machine. Hardware is excellent. The cloud or bambu login, slicer.. and closed firmware that can send whatever data to cloud, no active heating chamber even the printer is fully closed is not that great.
What 3D printer would you recommend then? I agree with you, i have a Dji drone as well and it uses sensors as well, but i haven’t found any other printers that have this capability, unless i haven’t looked hard enough, are you comparing this printer to another printer, if so what, i’m looking for another 3d printer after having bad luck with creality printers.
Forcing you to print through THEIR cloud. "Trapped in an ecosystem." Sounds very "Apple" to me. 😒
The LIDAR is just for first layer scanning and flow calibration. There's a camera that is on the hot end that just detects spaghetti not problems with the print
For 3 stepper motors for the bed you need 2 additional stepper motors + 2 stepper drivers. Then I've seen them going out of sync, and it can break things. And you don't need them anyway as the bed height is rapidly adjusted as head flies above. So it would only increase price and reduce reliability for no actual difference in the prints. The only reason you may want to do this if you don't want to control bed leveling on the fly and instead just do an initial adjustment before printing. But it means you solve software deficiencies by adding hardware. Also it would not compensate for bed warping so it would still require level adjustment on the fly. Another problem is where would you place motors? If directly under the screws, it would require to increase printer size as there is no free space under the bed or around it. If on the back, where they would not interfere with the bed, it would be quite lame to use 3 belt drives. As Elon Mask said, the best part is no part.
Thanks for such a great review, I don't think I have ever said "I want one" and "maybe I don't" so many times in one review 🤣. I appreciate the honesty and detailed breakdown of the printer. It also helps to be able to see it from the perspective of someone I know has experienced other printers. I still like my prusa 😆 but generally agree with your take on things so that helps me know if I'm going to like something or not based on your review.
At 1:01:44 that "transformer" looks like possibly a common mode choke. It's wound like a transformer, but it goes into the circuit "sideways". This is for noise and RFI filtering.
13:43 "Chinese people can be creative" :smh: who woulda thunk it.... turns out they're people just like everyone else.......
That's why there are so many Mexicans in the NBA. People are people. Absolutely no differences. We are all the same.
😂
Snowflake
Great review on the printer. I just bought it but haven't received it yet, and like with everything I buy, I enjoy watching videos while I wait. Most of the ones I've seen, despite the printer being out for 2 years now, didn't tell me anything new (I've been into 3D printing for almost 10 years and have several printers, including a Voron 2.4). They just kept saying it prints really fast and blah blah blah. Not many technical details. Thanks for the video 😋
Thanks for the great in depth video!
You are certainly welcome. Have a wonderful day!
I'm very late to this video but regarding the nano polymer adhesives - most of these fancy liquid adhesives that work with glass build plates and everything else, are nothing more than siloxane primers the same as any glass firm will use for bonding windows in.
You can get a litre of the stuff for the same price as the tiny bottle most 3D print specialists charge for 100ml
Almost finished the video, couldn't get a good look at the transformer you mention. If you're interested post some better pictures of it or video so I can inspect it better. I can apply my power supply and magnetic engineering experience and determine what it is. Best test would be to measure the voltages. Could be a current transformer.
Those "Warranty void if removed" stickers are actually illegal in the US
I've had mine for a week. It is amazing. No tinkering, just printing. FAST. BTW, you have to remove the plastic film from the AMS feet. It will not slip with rubber on glass. Also, you can save sliced and painted models by exporting from Bambu Lab Studio.
Yup! It's exactly how Apple would have made a 3D printer - the proprietary inner workings behind a wall and only repairable by them. I'll get them kudos for building a machine as great and cheap as it is, but I certainly would not trust this long-term in a print farm.
Really glad to see this video pop up... Finally an honest, in depth review and analysis. I've been blown away since early December with mine and while acknowledging some downsides it's still the best innovation by a mile
I'm posting this a year after this video was uploaded but I got my X1C about a month ago and have had no issues with it. My only failed print was due to wet filament. Retrying it, without changing any settings and just changing the filaments to one that had been recently dried worked wonders. I actually did my first ABS print today, and I didn't experience any issues with smell. However, I was using ABS-GF from Bambu Lab, so I'm not sure if there's a new formula, if the glass fibers assist, or if the filter has been updated, but basically no fumes. Printer is in my bedroom.
But I mean... It's $1500 with the AMS. It's as (relatively) expensive as a PhD 😂. But what you're paying for is a bunch of stuff people might do to fix the problems with cheaper printers anyway. And you're paying to have something just work. And it does just work - especially if you embrace the Bambu ecosystem with the RFID spools. It has been almost fire-and-forget for me.
It is 'ok', it is not revolutionary.
The problem is that the competition is so pathetic, thus making Bambu look so great and relatively it is.
Nevertheless, even the best consumer grade 3d printer is pretty woeful.
There is still improvement that is true. Highly heated chambers, five axis, etc
You can send prints to the SD card, there’s the option in the drop down in the upper right hand corner
If Apple made a 3D printer?
It'd be overpriced, underperforming, a (chipped) spool of ABS would cost in excess of $200 and you can't replace it yourself and still half the internet would be full of applelytes who claim loudly it's the best thing ever.
I would not even look at it.
It'd definitely not be a selling point for a maker.
How they're recouping the investment? I would guess they got a massive influx of capital from the CCP, I can't confirm it of course but this is the well know MO of the CCP in relation to Chinese tech companies. Take a look at their domestic CPU/GPU production industry, they only just started producing products that nobody buys but yet they stay afloat because it's in the interest of the CCP to have a domestic fab industry that can operate independently of the west, thus they're wholly underwriting the iteration and process maturation.
You can print ASA instead of ABS given how ABS fumes interact with you. Its basically the better version of ABS. Prints without fumes, has same mechanical properties and is even UV resistant for outdoor applications.
Not sure if anyone suggested it yet but if you add filament start gcode for ABS specifically to turn on the chamber fan to 30%, it reduces the ABS odor to almost none. Chage the filament stop gcode set to turn off the fan as well.
He talks bout it been a game changer. 1) It still uses glue stick to help prints stick (thats been standard for the last 20 years) so not new. 2) Its a corexy in a box with multi colors been done before and for cheaper so again not new. 3) then you look at the price £1,300 for a sub 300mm cube build plate ie wat too small for the price.
You say all this, but I bet you're the guy who's going to be all over the next Prusa saying how it's such a game changer. You probably thought the gold colored anniversary i3 mk3 was innovative.
47:40 "I don't understand how they are recouping the money", he says, right after talking about the cloud login and stealing all of your designs 😅 Guess same way like how Huawei is recouping the money for their 5G cell towers!
Most OSS is not FOSS. Most OSS is liberally licensed and therefore there is no expectation of sharing derivative works. And most usage of such software is like that.
Truly impressive engineering, but if until yesterday I was thinking of buying a P1P your video is making me think I am much better off buying a Prusa Mk4, although I think how "absurd" the cartesian configuration is compared to the corexy.
(1:03:00) They made the bed so hard to diassemble because it's running off mains. They don't want the end user to mess with mains voltage, I think that's fair
Thats the type of video I like to see. Thanks.
It looks like it was designed by AI. That would explain the missing prototype phase and the odd engineering choices. And a reasonable reflection of the final price.
Designed by AI it would be junk. AI is still an infant today
If Apple made a 3D printer you would not be able to print your own poop shoot you would have to use apples own 😂
Have you seen the prices for spare and replacement parts? They’re still DIRT DIRT cheap.
There are so much tooling investments and R&D invested in this Printer that it cannot be made open source. How are they going to recoup back? The design approach is a mass production approach, certainly they did not skip the Product Life Cycle development from BB EVT DVT to Pilot etc. This is impressive, pure hard work from very experienced engineers. The only way to beat this printer is to have a high mix lower volume design, far less part counts, less complexity and more towards industrial design with less tooling involved. So the solution is to bring industry design style down to consumer level, like the MarkForge Mark 2 down to consumer user price.
You are a knowledgeable man. I like this insight.
The addition of two additional z stepper motors would also mean perfect synchronization and the potential for error. Also, the whole cabinet would have to be taller to accommodate the motors to be installed and concealed under the build space. The existing stepper motor is located behind the rear internal wall above the bottom of the internal floor.
All three separate motors could be located similarly with individual belts going to the individual lead screws.
i have the same problem with my bambu lab p1s with the tab on the back design on tinkercad those tabs taller in abs or higher temp filament
To send to the SD Card in the printer don't use "Print plate" use "Send" instead AND if you want to use a local SD card inserted in your computer and use "Export plate"
That was an emi inductor where there was mains going into the board. I could send you pictures of them. They're used for common mode rejection and safety as you can see along with the 3 class y rated capacitors.
But just like prusa they used A LOT of community designs/idea's in the Bambu, and sadly even barby has less plastic than this printer...
Oh and Vision Miners adhesive should be just Alcohol with PVP and as i can remember PVA in it.
Thanks for the recipe. I'll have to try that
Thankfully apple didn't make this printer. It works and isn't over priced.
I _really_ hate that unintentionally comic thumbnail! "If Apple made a 3D printer"... then no self respecting maker would buy it! - because of Apple's known reputation for closed ecosystems and ewaste instead of repair. Happily Bambu is _not_ Apple.
There's nothing unintentional about the thumbnail.
Well made content thank you for the efforts and thank you for being brave and unbiased 👍🏻
This is a very nice video. I'm really happy you're back to this format.
There is LAN mode you can put the printer into that allows you to print via bambu studio and not use the cloud.
I ordered Bambu X1 Carbon last Monday, got it last Friday - they truly beat all the records - I live in Hawaii and delivery is always quite a tricky thing... Love it so far, printed lots of useful things.
Hey, GPTChat, rewrite the klipper software in Python.
Thanks!
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holly cr**, why should we wait for prusa any longer... XL? I give up.
The only thing special with that printer I the color print and lidar. And creality already copied it and kangaroo .lol
Great video, really nice to see a neutral perspective on everything. Regarding the propriatary gcode and firmware, it's been decrypted. The whole thing. There's a handful of private groups of people who have been able to crack it open. Not much to share on it yet but there will be some stuff released soon to open the whole printer up permanently.
That’s very cool. Where are they going to post such info?
@@Joseph-rk7kh Not too sure but would imagine the BambuLab subreddit would be one of the places!
It looks good, but I'm still making a Voron. I cannot get behind their closed source ecosystem. The 3D printing community and being able to freely exchange ideas/designs is what I love about this hobby.
The x1 reminds me of how people that had a photo/video hobby would get a DJI phantom to make content.
The Phantom had a similar reaction from people who’s hobby was the drone. They wanted to build and mod. That’s not what the phantom was.
But for others, it was just a tool to expand a different hobby or business. And it got the job done without needing to devote time into learning another hobby just to get some practical use out of it.
That said, room for everyone. Vorons look amazing! Enjoy your build!
@@honecode2120 Very well said. I realize everyone has a different purpose.
Keep building with no regrets, I bought a Bambu Carbon with the AMS system. I will be making a video for RUclips shortly of me throwing the AMS system off a very tall building to at least relieve some of my frustration with it.
@@honecode2120 I changed my mind. I'm not building a Voron anymore. I'm building an Annex K2.
@@Aldoor What's wrong with your Bambu?
Great Sandy Munro energy in this super in-depth analysis of the engineering behind the X1C. Thanks a lot!
I forgot who said it. There should be a code that turns the chamber fan on for 10-15 minutes after an ABS print so it will push the VOC’s through the filter.
The stickers suck. Under the sticker on cool plate is the same pei as engineering side. So before I had a textured plate just printed on cool plate with everything. Haven’t used the nylon they sent yet.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but I heard one reviewer say you need to turn on the air filter. It doesn't default to on.
Hey DPT one thing going around for the ABS is that to keep chamber temperatures up for ABS the chamber vent fan that pulls through the filter is completely off. That let's air seep out of all the unfiltered cracks and crevices instead of getting pulled through the filter. I have heard that you can turn on the chamber fan at a low speed to improve filtration but I don't know if anybody has really tested the dofference
If Apple made a 3d printer like this, it will double or treble the price。
13:37 I was enjoying this video until I heard this from you. Wow, “Chinese people can be creative”?? What an ignorant and small-minded thing to say. I understand the context, as a 3D printer reviewer and w/China’s reputation for copying others, but still…the blanket statement you used. I’m guessing you aren’t aware of how many original innovations that China has come up with over the past 20 years or I guess you’re just assuming from a western consumer perspective? And certainly their many contributions historically, some centuries old for medicine and technology?
I own a Bambu X1C and I’m thrilled it’s as successful as it is…not because it’s a Chinese company specifically, but just because it’s great to see a well-executed product - Hell, I don’t care if it’s from some dude living in Antarctica…but now I’m glad that, yes, a CHINESE company is kicking the 3D printing world’s ass to wake people up to their small-mindedness.
And I say this as a proud American.
Yep. Men are giving birth. Mexicans are taking over the NBA. You can take any old accountant and wildland firefighter switch their jobs and they perform equally well. There are no differences between people. We're all exactly the same. Only ignorant hateful bigots think talking about the differences between people is worth noting.
Calm down, Karen.
He was specifically talking about 3d printers.
I'm super impressed with mine. Thanks for the teardown pictures. I hadn't seen any good shots of the piezo sensors in the bed yet, or the x-axis bushings.
Great video, BUT I don't agree at ALL about the giving credit part. I'm not saying that it is not possible, but it's unlikely that they copied everything you talked about. These solutions, like using carbon rods, are the obvious choice to any sane mechanical engineer looking at the problem with a fresh set of eyeballs. Apart from that, why wouldn't they give credit? They already dedicated a part of their page to the Voron team, teaching tech and all the others. It wouldn't cost them anything to mention the others too
The spirit of open is to contribute back to the community as an ecosystem
Your thumbnail is off. If Apple made it it would have been $9.999, come without a power cord and the parts would be unobtainium. You couldn't service the machine in any way and if you wanted to change the hotend you'd need to go to a verified dealer ;)
49:28 simple test: run the printer with ABS without the filter 🤭I have no experience with it but I bet it does something or they wouldn't have included it right? 😅
Not wanting to use Bambulabs can be done. Just throw your prints from any slicer on an SDcard. But you lose a lot of convenience that way. But it can be done. The printer can even operate without a internet connection. You will lose functionality but it can be done. I personally don't worry too much about it. 99% of all electronics I own have connections to China anyways. It's kinda impossible to avoid that. And at least this isn't a literal webcam sitting on your monitor or build in to your laptop :)
I am glad you took it apart and did a in depth look at the internals, I have not seen anyone go into that much detail on the X1C. The brass bushing on the CF rods is rarely/never talked about, to me that is the greatest point of concern mechanically. Your comment on the assymetric forces of the belt interacting with the brass bushing is also worrying.
Can you look into how easy it is to remove and reinstall the CF rods and the bushing? I assume that eventually the rods and bushing will be made avaialble for purchase, if not by BL then by a chinese cloner.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to more videos on the X1C.
I tried to watch the video but you're on a little bit of the negative side of the top of the line machine. I would do this, I would do that, I would do this, I would do that. You know what I mean. Everything has to be built for a price point, some of the things that you talk about are rather petty. A short lift list of negatives and positives would do fine.
Everything can be improved. It's surprising how many decisions in product design are the first idea. I realize you love your printer, and they did a really good job releasing this product, but it's far from perfect. Things can akways be improved
@@DesignPrototypeTest sure everything can be improved but at a cost. If they fix everything that you suggested they would probably be $2, 000 or more that would put them out of reach fo alot of people. So like I said everything is built to a price point and most of the things you pointed out aren't vital to the machine doing what it's supposed to do. Which it does very well.
Great review! I hope the next version puts more emphasis on repairability.
And it sure seems that they should have forget about the fan + air filter and use 3 stepper motors for the z-axis instead for the same money.
The carbon filter is for VOCs when printing ABS, ASA, etc. Also when putting the plate back on the bed you just touch down the two back corners so they are positioned in between the gray plastic guides then slide back till they hit the rear guides then lower the plate down to the bed. They won't go over the guides if using the proper technique to place the plate.
Do you actually own one of these? Your description of how to put the plate down wouldn't work. There's a center portion that pops out. Also the corners of the plate are rounded so they wouldn't index on the side guides.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Yes I own 2 of them. Maybe you're not understanding my description. The two side guides have contours so you can drop the back corner of the plate down next to the guide at the bed surface while holding the front up so you are not fighting the magnetic force of the bed and then push the plate back against the stops in the back. The rounded plate corners easily slide along the contour of the side guides and center the plate for you. I've done this hundreds of times. If this doesn't make sense, maybe a video would help.
Also you're not correct on the cloud. You can use LAN only mode or print from SD card. In Bambu Stuido you can just hit the drop down arrow next to print plate and export to and SD card. You can now reprint from SD card from printer too as of last firmware update. Just FYI so you can do a follow up video correcting some of the misinformation you have in this one.
Loaded with lots of good features.... I'm just not convinced it's designed for continuous trouble free use over the long haul.... especially the AMS.
Not in need of another printer at the moment.... maybe when the X1C & AMS 2.0 comes out next year.
Maybe you should engineer your own printer since no other comes close to your standard.
Nothing is perfect. I did engineer a bag and a buckle and had them produced in Vietnam. I had this same attitude toward my own product. That's how you ensure constant improvement. Your mistake is taking my criticisms personally. As if the printer you bought is reflective of you as a person.
Calibration can be skipped on the machine. Click the small green check boxes that are the same as the slicer.
Poopy shoe Mathew? Not my far superior Poop Whale? It’s on thangs!
This is the first time I've heard anyone mention that all the gcode that you send to the printer is available to Bambu Labs. Most of the time, especially without context clues, it won't matter, but I'm not comfortable with that.
Got mine 5 days ago now ? , not printed any multicoloured prints yet , only 2 colour layer change prints.
like any 3d printer there is a learning curve to it , on that point sure if my bed is curved or that it is printing so fast that square objects are warping on the corners even with a brim . ( look to be better at 55c and not 35c defaults )
But one thing everyone says which is true is that ( hopefully ) you should have it printing like glass out of the box without any sign of ghosting at half , third , quarter of the time in minutes and not years of endless modding .
it is easy to remove the bowden tube ? , try that with the AMS on top and see how easy it is ?
Too closed environment and proprietary for me. My printer should not have to be on the internet for me to use it.
Well done. One of my favorite videos. Owning one of these the biggest changes I hope they iterate: 1) Cut the startup time when you are doing back to back prints (the 8 minutes of overhead even when you uncheck the options kills me). 2) Seal off the electronics from the bed and put a heater inside, 110 degree chamber would be very nice for no ABS warp. 3) The door, it is an accident waiting to happen. You managed to pick up these same points. Fun watching someone else take the risk of partially dismantling it.