The GUI is definitely better for bulk operations. No way I could select 30-50 specific files in a folder and move them to another folder as quickly with the terminal as I can with shift-click in the GUI. Different tools for different jobs.
But what kind of "bulk" operations? If you are manually filtering family photos from your photos with friends, the difference is understandable, however, how is it faster than doing ls 2024-05-*.png | xargs mv - ~/Photos/2024/May? Many bulk operations can be automated too.
@scartyz762 I do a lot of work with Powershell. But it has its limits. It isn't easy finding duplicate files when the files have just slightly different names, for example.
the trouble comes when you need to rearrange many files in to many directories. Refactoring code, organizing pictures, music, videos. Its usually much easier to use a tui/gui to select and move things without having to run a command every time.
> _"One case justifies using an fm always?"_ @@kdato774 well, for developers/advanced-like users, that "one" case (which's not really "one", but anyhow) is what they do most of the times...
Ok. ranger is waaaay faster than cd. Your'e just not using it correctly. If you utilize features like marks, search and customize rifle, ranger is way faster. An example would be unzipping files with a simple U rather than typing out 'unzip', then the file name. If you know what you're doing, ranger takes way less key hits to do a task than the shell.
Put this in your .bashrc: # cd into a directory, then ls automatically and display colours function cs () { cd "$@" && ls -lg --group-directories-first --time-style=+"%d.%m %H:%M" --color=auto -F } On the command line you type: cs /where/you/want/to/go . Or you have a symlink, so you type: cs symlink . Done. Yeah you might be able to unzip files automatically in an fm, but then you faff about getting to the directory using j, k, l.
there are many powerful things that can be done using file managers. For example, in vifm you can go into Visual Mode, select a bunch of files, yy to yank and paste those files anywhere. To do it from terminal, you need to type each and every file name to copy it. Tedious job in the end.
Thanks for the tip bro. I was just going to download the ranger, but RUclips recommended your video. I created an alias so I wouldn't write so much: " fd | fzf -m --preview 'bat --theme Nord --color always {}' " Reminds me of a meme I saw that said "Text editor are bloated" and proceeded to write "cat a.txt".
I don't agree with this mentality that because something is not strictly necessary it is useless... I use all 3 (Nautilus, lf and cli) depending on the task. For example, if i want to copy a file from my current shell directory to one that i don't know the exact path to, dired or lf are faster than cli, but to just move down a couple directories i just use cd
well, i think it's actually more like that people don't know how their folders are named. for example, i know i have folder with images, but don't know the exact name
an easily acessible list of previewable contents that updates each time you move to a new selection is worth the wait it takes to get to the files, particularly when you can tell the fm what dir to open. It's nice when you've configured it to show images and crude syntax highlighting in files.
Great video! With all the respect to Luke, recently he posted mostly things not related to setting up system, so it's very nice to get videos like this one
Terminal File managers are still faster in most situations though. They have more features than just typing a search query in your terminal: previews, yanking, “open with:”, renaming, bulk renaming, unzip+delete, etc. Having to go through six or seven folders to access a specific file (like a song) is also not necessary. You can just bind directories to keystrokes. So if you find yourself listening to Bad Blood by Taylor swift really often, just bind a key to the directory that contains that album. The thing is terminal file managers are extremely extensible so there is rarely any situation where you cannot customize them to your liking or workflow.
I like your videos, generally good information, but this is a bit off. First, before going into some major problems, you used ranger in the same manner that someone who is completely new to it would and you used terminal in a way that someone who is experienced with it would. the problem here is that there isn't any real comparison. You went from a CLI file manager and using directional control to custom aliases. Then you go into some explanation of what you're using and where you're piping the output. Now I'm not saying that someone shouldn't learn to do things from the terminal on its' own, I did (doesn't say much, no one knows me, but still) and I still use the methods on a day to day basis. However I also use ranger and I took the time to learn how to make sure that ranger was just as fast, or in some cases faster, that strictly using the terminal. as an example when you were looking through ranger, rather than using directional keys you could have typed in ranger f = find so "f" and the file or directory you're searching for btw, it will auto select when you are down to only 1 option f mu > f bi > f b you can then still use f to open the file that you intend to open and ranger will use whatever is set as default to open that file type if you type cd in ranger you can navigate to a directory that way as well, so if the directory isn't a subdirectory of your current then you can still navigate to it in the same way you would in a terminal on its own. furthermore, for copying, cutting, and pasting dd for cut yy for copy pp to paste in current directory pd to input a destination directory to do this with multiple files, you can use space to select the items. for navigation you can use hjkl instead of left, down, up, and right directional keys can also use v to select all files in a directory. I guess the point i'm trying to make here is yes, terminal is faster as you proved however only if you know how to use terminal and you've never extensively used ranger or all of its features. if you're using ranger as just a tui file manager and expecting it to have the same limitations of a gui file manager when it comes to keyboard only support, then yeah. You're absolutely right, it is slower. But just like in terminal, if you take the time to learn, it can be just as fast and sometimes faster for simple tasks. All this said, I do agree that people should learn to operate just with the terminal because they may not always have ranger. likewise, they may not always have the option to add in their own aliases and as such probably shouldn't learn to rely on those either.
I get your point. The thing is that on this channel I try to promote the idea of using command line and learning how to use terminal for beginners. I can easily go and make some tutorials about things but this will not intrest anybody.. but making video where I say use terminal over ranger inspire many people to live without ranger and in this period they will learn new things. For example many people use Desktop env like gnome but when they see unixporn they get a reason of using window managers and then in order to achieve a window manager they learn so many good things. Using ranger or terminal for an expeirenced user is just matter of choice. Also speaking of alias ..I spend a month by just typing whole command but then one day I realized I can make a function its not a very big function. Even if you type the whole command its still fast $ cd $(find -type d | fzf)
@@bugswriter_ I can definitely see where you're coming from, and I do agree that more people should learn to use cli over gui, I just feel that in this instance the presentation of the comparison misrepresented the tools at hand. ranger was played off as being oversimplified and terminal was shown, for the better, to be far more powerful than many beginners give it credit for. I just think when comparisons are given it should be a fair comparison. Still, I do love your videos, I enjoy watching them even if I don't learn much from them these days because it's just nice to see someone taking the time to encourage people to move away from this reliance on GUI that we've come to accept as the norm. Even moving through directories the slow way on in a terminal baffles people sometimes. So I at least thank you for doing that and look forward to your future videos.
I've not tried them, though I have seen them in use. ranger was chosen because of VI style shortcuts. since vim is my primary text editor, anything that uses VI-styled shortcuts is naturally a bit more intuitive for me to use. Because of that I never saw a reason to try others. That said. I can at least offer input based on what i've seen. nnn is problematic for me because there is no central config for it. It's just passing variables to it over time. on one hand, this makes it easier to change settings. however this also makes it impossible to make a backup of settings when you're doing larger tweaks to the look and feel of the program. Not to mention there are a fair bit of plugins that are required for the file manager to not just be a slightly beefed up fzf. That last point is also the main problem i have with lf. Both of these programs intend to take tui file managers and make them more minimalist, however if the aim is minimalism then using just the terminal would be a far better alternative.
For basic file management; sure. I have LF configured so I can upload to cloud with an abbreviation (gD). Burn an ISO to disk? - bd. Rename a file? r. Extract any archive? E. Mount an ISO? mi. Send a file to my phone? -KL or KX depending on which phone. A TUI file manager can replace a lot of GUI software.
I use fish, 80% of the time it auto completes to the correct place. That FCD might need some tweaking, I get a lot of options trying to cd Downloads. Ideally you would have a favorites list then pass it to fzf. At that point you're shell scripting which can be done with anything including lf. lf is fast if you have a good solid config lfrc. Been trying out 'zoxide', not sure if it will work out.
I highly liked your this video helped me clear my head from jumping one file manager to other. here you mentioned sxiv for image i am currently using river that is based on wayland and unable to find any wayland alternative of sxiv. what will you prefer for wayland if you switch?
The whole concept of calling ranger a file manager - and then saying - you can do things faster in the terminal is pretty absurd. Where exactly are you using ranger? Besides, not always are you going to remember the file hierarchy, moreover you can't tab your way to individual files, a lot of which might have huge names. Yes, locate, find, and some globs and shellopts do work, but at the end of the day - a file manager overall does come in handy once in a while. Ofcourse you're not going to use it to rename a file or maybe a copy a file to another location, cuz if you're - that's some WinBlows/MacOS shit... But for basics, yeah something like ranger or even lf is sort of needed every now and then.
With this code you can't search for a file that has spaces in it (or at least I couldn't), because xdg-open will get confused. This is how I fixed it: alias search='find -type f | fzf | sed "s/^/\"/g" | sed "s/$/\"/g" | xargs -o xdg-open' it basically adds double quotes to the result of fzf so it treats it as a file name and not as two seperate files. Also this is my version of the open function: function open { if [ $# -eq 0 ] then ls | fzf | sed "s/^/\"/g" | sed "s/$/\"/g" | xargs -o xdg-open else xdg-open $1 fi } its better because it allows me to pass a single argument to open, and act as an alias for xdg-open
I kinda like TUI file managers when I'm moving around and peeking in a number of files on my little Homeserver, but not totally sure what exactly to do. It feels more comfortable, when just "digging around". More importantly: Split screen. Moving files inbetween different folders is VERY convenient sometimes. ... Other then that, I do completely agree. When I know, where I'm going, know where the stuff is i'm looking for, basic Terminal tools are faster and more convenient - since I'll never have to open/close a program. ... Also, Autojump. That tool is DOPE. Say I have a file in a very, very long and convoluted path. If I know what the folder is called, and if I've been there before, I just have to press "j foldername" and I'm there. I can only recommend it; it's one of those easy to set up tools, that you don't think you need... But once you have them you wonder, how you ever lived without them.
I use a file manager as part of my Vim/Tmux workflow. Nice bit of cognitive easing to keep the focus on programming. But if I just need to move files around... "Uhh, what's in here again?" ls -lah "Ohhh...." ls | grep -o someregex | parallel mv {} /wherever/it/goes
i just spent yesterday getting broot and nnn to start the way i want them to. broot is good, but i understand nnn can work with fzf (looking into that today). i think most of your points are legitimate (fm is often better, imho, for batch moves though) and since i do most things on the terminal i'm not sure why i'm looking at filemanagers (besides emacs has dred built in). i suppose all this software is fun to learn so we don't have to do any actual work.
Interesting, but we have to consider two aspects: -when you know exactly the filesystem -you working with some random environment
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Terminal IS a file manager.... You manage files with it. This is just another way. ls, fcd cd are all seperate programs, you can compile linux kernel without them... but then you couldn't manage files...
The point is that it's more visual, you can scroll through directories in less than half a second being given a complete list of sub-directories and files and don't have to keep typing "cd", "ls" and pressing tab. For example I used LF today because it starts in my ~ directory and with 2 taps of the right key I was in the directory I wanted, and pressed down to see the preview of the text files I wanted at a glance to find a specific piece of information that I wanted. The equivalent navigation using ls and cd would have taken about 20 seconds or more but with LF it was about 5. I haven't even got the file associations working yet which will make it even more useful to launch files on the fly as I highlight them. I use both methods depending what I need to do.
I can imagine terminal file managers as some kind of mode switch. Not for browsing files, but for temporarily having a menu that will run scripts on key press instead of typing the entire command. But maybe there there are more lightweight alternatives for that. Even if not, it's easy to program yourself. Thanks for mentioning fzf. I was searing for a dmenu-like terminal application.
Great video. Even if rile managers can be useful at times I think you made a good point of the power of working with terminal commands. You've got a sub from me.
I would recommend **nnn** tui file manager for people who likes to use a one you can use fzf in it and you can also create your own plugins for it and it is written in c
At the moment I use the terminal for basic stuff but GREAT VIDEO! YOU HAVE A NEW SUBSCRIBER! Plus you got me interested in learning to use the terminal more.
How about file preview? You have cat for text files, sxiv for images, but what if you have installed a big archive with a bunch of pdf’s and media files? It would be a pain to get through all of them one by one using the viewing application, and these cli-fm’s let you have that preview. That’s the general argument for me now
I use lf mostly when I need to preview files. I take a lot of screenshots of my online classes and its way easier to delete and organize them with multiple selection alongside image preview.
Randomly saw this in my RUclips landing page so I just quickly give my two cents: 1. There's no such thing as "pro linux" user because nobody pays a dime for just using Linux based operating system. 2. When solving actual problems in whatever job, the speed of doing trivial tasks like file management is totally insignificant factor. Whatever work for you is the way to go. 3. Often doing things slower can lead to a lower rate of human errors.
I feel the same way you do. But I also suspect it's because I'm not familiar with Ranger. There must be some things that Ranger is better at. But... Ranger doesn't exist on my webserver or in a random Docker container, but a shell does. So, I shell. Really enjoy the videos. Hope you keep making them.
3:16 the tab completion _with selection_ doesn't work for me (msys2 with wezterm/msys2 launchers on windows) - rather it shows the matching output, then shows a new prompt. so, while better than cmd styled tab cycling, and far better than nothing, but it's still not as fast as what is shown to you.
I have to say having ranger is really nice when I am editing some different text files in a directory (say writing some C code or something across multiple files) and I just want to peek in on one of the files for a second. But you are right some of this stuff I could probably use instead of ranger
I Don't Know Why People Use Linux Like Arch, Gentoo If They Wanted To Use File Managers Or Other GUI Stuff Instead Of Using Traditional Method, Just Use Other Distro Which Comes With Complete DE.
I think one of the benefits of ranger is visualization like vim regex compare sed regex when substitution in vim, I can direct see the result, so small change use vim when rename , change dir ... , I hope direct see the result too
You do get a lot of things for free with some GUI though, like the equivalent of auto-complete or the ability to select all files in a directory except two or three of your choice. And, before you copy/move/delete them, you can check how much disk space they occopy before maybe changing your selection to add a couple more files... Overall it's better for those cases when you don't have an exact idea of what you're going to do.
Hey! I want you to make a video on dwm-flexipatch, st-flexipatch and dmenu-flexipatch. They have a different approach to patching and maybe it is better?
in my any linux machine i don't use file managers (both GUI and CLI) i use only cd, ls, cp, mv, rsync, find, locate it's faster because i maximum spend time on terminal except watching some videos but i have windows machine i watch videos there so in my linux machine i maximum in terminal or emacs or vim or neovim and sometimes use nano for editing simple files i use links browser and vimb for most but sometimes use gui browsers because javascript won't open well in terminal 90 Percentage of time i spend time in my bash shell interpretor terminal so i use GNU unix commands rather then file managers
I only open mine when i need to find a picture because im shit at naming my files. I use vifm with a mod or something that gives me previews. excited to replace it though.
I know this is a 2 year old video, but what are your thoughts on clifm? Have you used it? It's a terminal file manager, but it works a lot like a shell, and allows you to use the shell commands if you want to. I find it to be really nice for me.
The CLI really is the greatest tool available for your system. Need something simple done? Run the command. Need something done frequently but the command's a little long? Alias. Need to do something complicated? Write it into a shell script and run that. There's reasons to use other tools, sure, but the command line can do just about anything you want.
Heres the issue your not using ranger right idk about ranger but for nnn for instance you press / to search and you enter the name and it will autocomplete it into the next directory you also use bookmarks to move around extremely fast so just learn to actually use a file manager
I think I will make that video again properly. Many people who support linux gaming misunderstood my point. Like I said - I play games on Windows and I support GNU/Linux free software ethics at same time. I just got started with this channel . dislikes hits hard ..better to just delete the video.
You only prove me that you are slower. You had to type too much. In vifm I can bind find or fzf to shortcut. Also file manager has a lot useful features.
I am see your terminal file operation ,i realy improsed bro! please replay me bro you how to learn the stuff 1. read the manual books 2. study the linux in tutorials 3. your curiosity of the terminal usage please replay my command bro me eagerly to wait for your replay 👨💻
Sorry ,not buying it , typing commands to delete or creat files is longer than vim based shortcuts in ranger, using rsync , why , ranger is doing the same, of course knowing those commands is essential when you SSH into remote server, but for my local machine , ranger saves plenty of time
I like your video demonstration on terminal commands and scripts in your ~/.zshrc. Your right about people on learning the terminal commands which is were Linux is very strong. But you fail to mention that ranger has keyboard shortcuts to any directory for daily use. As matter fact it is built. See help. Yes speed in a terminal is important but accuracy is more so. (I don't use ranger btw.) I like your svix *.jpg pictures in terminal and the use of find with pipe into the fzf, while these commands are simple, when combined with many other commands they can perform amazing tasks. And replacing cp with rsync a great idea to get new users in to rsync. But one should becareful.... ~/ rsync --progress -auv (file) ~/newdir Archlinux sudo pacman -Ss fzf community/fzf 0.35.1-1 Command-line fuzzy finder community/ytfzf 2.5.3-1 A POSIX script to find and watch youtube videos from the terminal sudo pacman -Ss sxiv community/sxiv 26-1 Simple X Image Viewer When users start playing around with LFS or Gentoo they will be living in the command-line, so learning ssh and sshfs is important for remote installs. :)
The GUI is definitely better for bulk operations. No way I could select 30-50 specific files in a folder and move them to another folder as quickly with the terminal as I can with shift-click in the GUI. Different tools for different jobs.
But what kind of "bulk" operations? If you are manually filtering family photos from your photos with friends, the difference is understandable, however, how is it faster than doing ls 2024-05-*.png | xargs mv - ~/Photos/2024/May? Many bulk operations can be automated too.
@scartyz762 I do a lot of work with Powershell. But it has its limits. It isn't easy finding duplicate files when the files have just slightly different names, for example.
the trouble comes when you need to rearrange many files in to many directories. Refactoring code, organizing pictures, music, videos. Its usually much easier to use a tui/gui to select and move things without having to run a command every time.
One case justifies using an fm always?
> _"One case justifies using an fm always?"_
@@kdato774 well, for developers/advanced-like users, that "one" case (which's not really "one", but anyhow) is what they do most of the times...
Ok. ranger is waaaay faster than cd.
Your'e just not using it correctly. If you utilize features like marks, search and customize rifle, ranger is way faster. An example would be unzipping files with a simple U rather than typing out 'unzip', then the file name.
If you know what you're doing, ranger takes way less key hits to do a task than the shell.
Exactly my thoughts. Thanks.
Put this in your .bashrc:
# cd into a directory, then ls automatically and display colours
function cs () {
cd "$@" && ls -lg --group-directories-first --time-style=+"%d.%m %H:%M" --color=auto -F
}
On the command line you type: cs /where/you/want/to/go . Or you have a symlink, so you type: cs symlink . Done.
Yeah you might be able to unzip files automatically in an fm, but then you faff about getting to the directory using j, k, l.
there are many powerful things that can be done using file managers. For example, in vifm you can go into Visual Mode, select a bunch of files, yy to yank and paste those files anywhere. To do it from terminal, you need to type each and every file name to copy it. Tedious job in the end.
But ricers need ranger to show off xD
Exactly.
Thanks for the tip bro.
I was just going to download the ranger, but RUclips recommended your video.
I created an alias so I wouldn't write so much: " fd | fzf -m --preview 'bat --theme Nord --color always {}' "
Reminds me of a meme I saw that said "Text editor are bloated" and proceeded to write "cat a.txt".
I don't agree with this mentality that because something is not strictly necessary it is useless... I use all 3 (Nautilus, lf and cli) depending on the task. For example, if i want to copy a file from my current shell directory to one that i don't know the exact path to, dired or lf are faster than cli, but to just move down a couple directories i just use cd
well, i think it's actually more like that people don't know how their folders are named. for example, i know i have folder with images, but don't know the exact name
an easily acessible list of previewable contents that updates each time you move to a new selection is worth the wait it takes to get to the files, particularly when you can tell the fm what dir to open. It's nice when you've configured it to show images and crude syntax highlighting in files.
Great video! With all the respect to Luke, recently he posted mostly things not related to setting up system, so it's very nice to get videos like this one
In ranger, it is faster to switch between directories, and in principle work with files, since you can write convenient aliases.
Terminal File managers are still faster in most situations though. They have more features than just typing a search query in your terminal: previews, yanking, “open with:”, renaming, bulk renaming, unzip+delete, etc.
Having to go through six or seven folders to access a specific file (like a song) is also not necessary. You can just bind directories to keystrokes. So if you find yourself listening to Bad Blood by Taylor swift really often, just bind a key to the directory that contains that album.
The thing is terminal file managers are extremely extensible so there is rarely any situation where you cannot customize them to your liking or workflow.
As a beginner linux user, this was really helpful in seeing what I didn't know existed. Time to learn some new commands! Thanks
That fcd function is beautiful!
how can I make that command?
can you help please..
@@aljabernishad2618 put the function fcd I showed at 6:45 in your .bashrc , and make sure you have fzf installed.
I like your videos, generally good information, but this is a bit off.
First, before going into some major problems, you used ranger in the same manner that someone who is completely new to it would and you used terminal in a way that someone who is experienced with it would. the problem here is that there isn't any real comparison. You went from a CLI file manager and using directional control to custom aliases. Then you go into some explanation of what you're using and where you're piping the output.
Now I'm not saying that someone shouldn't learn to do things from the terminal on its' own, I did (doesn't say much, no one knows me, but still) and I still use the methods on a day to day basis. However I also use ranger and I took the time to learn how to make sure that ranger was just as fast, or in some cases faster, that strictly using the terminal.
as an example when you were looking through ranger, rather than using directional keys you could have typed in ranger
f = find
so "f" and the file or directory you're searching for
btw, it will auto select when you are down to only 1 option
f mu > f bi > f b
you can then still use f to open the file that you intend to open and ranger will use whatever is set as default to open that file type
if you type cd in ranger you can navigate to a directory that way as well, so if the directory isn't a subdirectory of your current then you can still navigate to it in the same way you would in a terminal on its own.
furthermore, for copying, cutting, and pasting
dd for cut
yy for copy
pp to paste in current directory
pd to input a destination directory
to do this with multiple files, you can use space to select the items. for navigation you can use hjkl instead of left, down, up, and right directional keys
can also use v to select all files in a directory.
I guess the point i'm trying to make here is
yes, terminal is faster as you proved
however only if you know how to use terminal and you've never extensively used ranger or all of its features. if you're using ranger as just a tui file manager and expecting it to have the same limitations of a gui file manager when it comes to keyboard only support, then yeah. You're absolutely right, it is slower.
But just like in terminal, if you take the time to learn, it can be just as fast and sometimes faster for simple tasks.
All this said, I do agree that people should learn to operate just with the terminal because they may not always have ranger. likewise, they may not always have the option to add in their own aliases and as such probably shouldn't learn to rely on those either.
I get your point.
The thing is that on this channel I try to promote the idea of using command line and learning how to use terminal for beginners.
I can easily go and make some tutorials about things but this will not intrest anybody..
but making video where I say use terminal over ranger inspire many people to live without ranger and in this period they will learn new things. For example many people use Desktop env like gnome but when they see unixporn they get a reason of using window managers and then in order to achieve a window manager they learn so many good things.
Using ranger or terminal for an expeirenced user is just matter of choice.
Also speaking of alias ..I spend a month by just typing whole command but then one day I realized I can make a function its not a very big function. Even if you type the whole command its still fast
$ cd $(find -type d | fzf)
@@bugswriter_ I can definitely see where you're coming from, and I do agree that more people should learn to use cli over gui, I just feel that in this instance the presentation of the comparison misrepresented the tools at hand. ranger was played off as being oversimplified and terminal was shown, for the better, to be far more powerful than many beginners give it credit for. I just think when comparisons are given it should be a fair comparison.
Still, I do love your videos, I enjoy watching them even if I don't learn much from them these days because it's just nice to see someone taking the time to encourage people to move away from this reliance on GUI that we've come to accept as the norm. Even moving through directories the slow way on in a terminal baffles people sometimes. So I at least thank you for doing that and look forward to your future videos.
@@bugswriter_ Do you think people should thoroughly learn BASH first before starting to use ZSH?
@@Draca3 Have you tried other file managers such as nnn or lf?
I've not tried them, though I have seen them in use.
ranger was chosen because of VI style shortcuts. since vim is my primary text editor, anything that uses VI-styled shortcuts is naturally a bit more intuitive for me to use. Because of that I never saw a reason to try others. That said. I can at least offer input based on what i've seen.
nnn is problematic for me because there is no central config for it. It's just passing variables to it over time. on one hand, this makes it easier to change settings. however this also makes it impossible to make a backup of settings when you're doing larger tweaks to the look and feel of the program. Not to mention there are a fair bit of plugins that are required for the file manager to not just be a slightly beefed up fzf.
That last point is also the main problem i have with lf.
Both of these programs intend to take tui file managers and make them more minimalist, however if the aim is minimalism then using just the terminal would be a far better alternative.
For basic file management; sure. I have LF configured so I can upload to cloud with an abbreviation (gD). Burn an ISO to disk? - bd. Rename a file? r. Extract any archive? E. Mount an ISO? mi. Send a file to my phone? -KL or KX depending on which phone. A TUI file manager can replace a lot of GUI software.
I'll keep my ranger on, I don't want to memorize everything in my head like a robot just to save some seconds of my life
I use fish, 80% of the time it auto completes to the correct place. That FCD might need some tweaking, I get a lot of options trying to cd Downloads. Ideally you would have a favorites list then pass it to fzf. At that point you're shell scripting which can be done with anything including lf. lf is fast if you have a good solid config lfrc. Been trying out 'zoxide', not sure if it will work out.
I highly liked your this video helped me clear my head from jumping one file manager to other.
here you mentioned sxiv for image i am currently using river that is based on wayland and unable to find any wayland alternative of sxiv. what will you prefer for wayland if you switch?
actually, in the latest xclip release, you can use -r option to remove newline if it exists.
The whole concept of calling ranger a file manager - and then saying - you can do things faster in the terminal is pretty absurd.
Where exactly are you using ranger?
Besides, not always are you going to remember the file hierarchy, moreover you can't tab your way to individual files, a lot of which might have huge names.
Yes, locate, find, and some globs and shellopts do work, but at the end of the day - a file manager overall does come in handy once in a while. Ofcourse you're not going to use it to rename a file or maybe a copy a file to another location, cuz if you're - that's some WinBlows/MacOS shit... But for basics, yeah something like ranger or even lf is sort of needed every now and then.
I disagree about renaming files and you can tab to individual files
With this code you can't search for a file that has spaces in it (or at least I couldn't), because xdg-open will get confused. This is how I fixed it:
alias search='find -type f | fzf | sed "s/^/\"/g" | sed "s/$/\"/g" | xargs -o xdg-open'
it basically adds double quotes to the result of fzf so it treats it as a file name and not as two seperate files.
Also this is my version of the open function:
function open {
if [ $# -eq 0 ]
then
ls | fzf | sed "s/^/\"/g" | sed "s/$/\"/g" | xargs -o xdg-open
else
xdg-open $1
fi
}
its better because it allows me to pass a single argument to open, and act as an alias for xdg-open
I kinda like TUI file managers when I'm moving around and peeking in a number of files on my little Homeserver, but not totally sure what exactly to do. It feels more comfortable, when just "digging around". More importantly: Split screen. Moving files inbetween different folders is VERY convenient sometimes.
... Other then that, I do completely agree. When I know, where I'm going, know where the stuff is i'm looking for, basic Terminal tools are faster and more convenient - since I'll never have to open/close a program.
... Also, Autojump. That tool is DOPE. Say I have a file in a very, very long and convoluted path. If I know what the folder is called, and if I've been there before, I just have to press "j foldername" and I'm there. I can only recommend it; it's one of those easy to set up tools, that you don't think you need... But once you have them you wonder, how you ever lived without them.
I use a file manager as part of my Vim/Tmux workflow. Nice bit of cognitive easing to keep the focus on programming. But if I just need to move files around...
"Uhh, what's in here again?"
ls -lah
"Ohhh...."
ls | grep -o someregex | parallel mv {} /wherever/it/goes
i just spent yesterday getting broot and nnn to start the way i want them to. broot is good, but i understand nnn can work with fzf (looking into that today). i think most of your points are legitimate (fm is often better, imho, for batch moves though) and since i do most things on the terminal i'm not sure why i'm looking at filemanagers (besides emacs has dred built in). i suppose all this software is fun to learn so we don't have to do any actual work.
Interesting, but we have to consider two aspects:
-when you know exactly the filesystem
-you working with some random environment
Terminal IS a file manager.... You manage files with it. This is just another way. ls, fcd cd are all seperate programs, you can compile linux kernel without them... but then you couldn't manage files...
The point is that it's more visual, you can scroll through directories in less than half a second being given a complete list of sub-directories and files and don't have to keep typing "cd", "ls" and pressing tab. For example I used LF today because it starts in my ~ directory and with 2 taps of the right key I was in the directory I wanted, and pressed down to see the preview of the text files I wanted at a glance to find a specific piece of information that I wanted. The equivalent navigation using ls and cd would have taken about 20 seconds or more but with LF it was about 5. I haven't even got the file associations working yet which will make it even more useful to launch files on the fly as I highlight them. I use both methods depending what I need to do.
Thank you for this alternative perspective and collection of command line techniques. It was very helpful!
thank you very much for this video. I think I will stop using ranger and really give the terminal a try, I think that fzf mostly convinced me
when you type command slowly, lf + fzf can just help you with shortcuts
I can imagine terminal file managers as some kind of mode switch. Not for browsing files, but for temporarily having a menu that will run scripts on key press instead of typing the entire command. But maybe there there are more lightweight alternatives for that. Even if not, it's easy to program yourself.
Thanks for mentioning fzf. I was searing for a dmenu-like terminal application.
I use terminal based lf manager ( you get extra benefits from split and tabs features of a terminal like Terminator ) and GUI based thunar manager.
i want to give you a view but mpv is just more comfy :)
How
@@AjinkyaGokule mpv "youtube link"
How you use RUclips on mpv?
Great video. Even if rile managers can be useful at times I think you made a good point of the power of working with terminal commands. You've got a sub from me.
I would recommend **nnn** tui file manager for people who likes to use a one you can use fzf in it and you can also create your own plugins for it and it is written in c
At the moment I use the terminal for basic stuff but GREAT VIDEO! YOU HAVE A NEW SUBSCRIBER! Plus you got me interested in learning to use the terminal more.
How about file preview? You have cat for text files, sxiv for images, but what if you have installed a big archive with a bunch of pdf’s and media files? It would be a pain to get through all of them one by one using the viewing application, and these cli-fm’s let you have that preview. That’s the general argument for me now
Bro accidentally created his own file manager
I use lf mostly when I need to preview files. I take a lot of screenshots of my online classes and its way easier to delete and organize them with multiple selection alongside image preview.
How to get random people away from Linux 101
I am a Linux Sys Admin and disagree with you lol. Repetitive Strain Injury says so! lol I appreciate your thoughts tho.
Randomly saw this in my RUclips landing page so I just quickly give my two cents: 1. There's no such thing as "pro linux" user because nobody pays a dime for just using Linux based operating system. 2. When solving actual problems in whatever job, the speed of doing trivial tasks like file management is totally insignificant factor. Whatever work for you is the way to go. 3. Often doing things slower can lead to a lower rate of human errors.
Right and memorizing random commands is definitely not equivalent with "using your brain".
Thanks for sharing such a great stuff, I really like! Especially your .zshrc file, thanks!
I feel the same way you do. But I also suspect it's because I'm not familiar with Ranger.
There must be some things that Ranger is better at.
But... Ranger doesn't exist on my webserver or in a random Docker container, but a shell does. So, I shell.
Really enjoy the videos. Hope you keep making them.
3:16 the tab completion _with selection_ doesn't work for me (msys2 with wezterm/msys2 launchers on windows) - rather it shows the matching output, then shows a new prompt. so, while better than cmd styled tab cycling, and far better than nothing, but it's still not as fast as what is shown to you.
To be good at terminal stuffs
Should jump staight to arch dwm
Or first learn dwm, terminal
Then work around arch linux
?
Confused
use mint and get good with terminal. then manjaro .. then arch with gnome or xfce .. then. dwm.
I have to say having ranger is really nice when I am editing some different text files in a directory (say writing some C code or something across multiple files) and I just want to peek in on one of the files for a second. But you are right some of this stuff I could probably use instead of ranger
I Don't Know Why People Use Linux Like Arch, Gentoo If They Wanted To Use File Managers Or Other GUI Stuff Instead Of Using Traditional Method, Just Use Other Distro Which Comes With Complete DE.
I think one of the benefits of ranger is visualization
like vim regex compare sed regex
when substitution in vim, I can direct see the result, so small change use vim
when rename , change dir ... , I hope direct see the result too
I agree but I will also say -
tree .
You do get a lot of things for free with some GUI though, like the equivalent of auto-complete or the ability to select all files in a directory except two or three of your choice. And, before you copy/move/delete them, you can check how much disk space they occopy before maybe changing your selection to add a couple more files... Overall it's better for those cases when you don't have an exact idea of what you're going to do.
you don't need sxiv... there's a terminal aplication called ucollage to view images in your terminal
Hey! I want you to make a video on dwm-flexipatch, st-flexipatch and dmenu-flexipatch. They have a different approach to patching and maybe it is better?
idk bro.
in my any linux machine i don't use file managers (both GUI and CLI) i use only cd, ls, cp, mv, rsync, find, locate it's faster because i maximum spend time on terminal except watching some videos but i have windows machine i watch videos there so in my linux machine i maximum in terminal or emacs or vim or neovim and sometimes use nano for editing simple files i use links browser and vimb for most but sometimes use gui browsers because javascript won't open well in terminal 90 Percentage of time i spend time in my bash shell interpretor terminal so i use GNU unix commands rather then file managers
Just found your channel.....looks like i found my new favourite linux channel
Wow, thanks!
Sorry dude I m late.... I loves your videos👍🔥🔥
I only open mine when i need to find a picture because im shit at naming my files. I use vifm with a mod or something that gives me previews. excited to replace it though.
That damn Tab thing expands all possibilities
this video is drenched in incredible information. most productive 10 minutes of my day thanks
Bugsy
Saw this video on reddit and really liked it. Keep with the good work
Midnight Commander and Total Commander are the first things I install.
I know this is a 2 year old video, but what are your thoughts on clifm? Have you used it? It's a terminal file manager, but it works a lot like a shell, and allows you to use the shell commands if you want to.
I find it to be really nice for me.
The CLI really is the greatest tool available for your system.
Need something simple done? Run the command.
Need something done frequently but the command's a little long? Alias.
Need to do something complicated? Write it into a shell script and run that.
There's reasons to use other tools, sure, but the command line can do just about anything you want.
What's your akash file? Is It a research or the blockchain? Im interested in both
Can you maje a video on how you theme your setup like that?
Heres the issue your not using ranger right idk about ranger but for nnn for instance you press / to search and you enter the name and it will autocomplete it into the next directory you also use bookmarks to move around extremely fast so just learn to actually use a file manager
Desi Luke Smith 🙏🏼
that fcd function is hella useful, thanks !
What if you want to upload a file to discord or youtube? Aren't you kind of forced to use a file manager?
watch my 0x0.st video .. How linux pro share file
@@bugswriter_ that's more fore sharing with friends and all but for youtube, you can't just drag and drop your files
@@haiirokoneko6357 dragon is a nice tool.
Real chads don´t need that...
Use whatever works for you. I don't care as long as someone uses foss.
what clipboard manager are you using?
i too am a dwm user but couldn’t find a best clipboard manager for me
xclip
Would you mind sharing your build of dwm with us?
I dont mind github.com/bugswriter/dwm
@@bugswriter_ I appreciate it thank you
Hey how do you deal with previewing pdfs? I need that because I have many images in pdf or svg format.
Use vim to open pdf
What happened to linux gaming video? Came here to watch it and puff, it's gone.
I think I will make that video again properly. Many people who support linux gaming misunderstood my point. Like I said - I play games on Windows and I support GNU/Linux free software ethics at same time. I just got started with this channel . dislikes hits hard ..better to just delete the video.
@@bugswriter_ Alright. No harm done.
What desktop environment you use?
dwm
Hi! Thanks for pirokit one of my favorites from your github.
Using a gui file manager would be the fastest but you don't look like Mr Robot in the process
Hi, what are those commands fch file? How did you get those suggestions?
put a time stamp.
You should host a ssh chat instance.
Saw rsync in a Luke Smith video
you should use fd rather than find as it's much faster.
You only prove me that you are slower. You had to type too much. In vifm I can bind find or fzf to shortcut. Also file manager has a lot useful features.
I am see your terminal file operation ,i realy improsed bro! please replay me bro
you how to learn the stuff
1. read the manual books
2. study the linux in tutorials
3. your curiosity of the terminal usage
please replay my command bro me eagerly to wait for your replay 👨💻
Sorry ,not buying it , typing commands to delete or creat files is longer than vim based shortcuts in ranger, using rsync , why , ranger is doing the same, of course knowing those commands is essential when you SSH into remote server, but for my local machine , ranger saves plenty of time
Amazing video! thanks for the information.
is sxiv an external software or is it an alias?
There is only one true tool to see images and its sxiv.
nice cmdline tricks ill use some of them ;D
Are wah!!!! Scarlett witch!!!!!! Like toh banta hai, and now bye
why dont you create shownotes like gotbletu does, or link to your zshrc made open
Soon I will create my website my peertube and a lot more at that time I will .. also add my .zshrc and other scripts on my site.
@@bugswriter_ good luck
>3:00AM
UnixPron would due without Ranger
I had mc installed but I rarely use it anyway, I deleted it after this video, your functions and customizations are awesome! Thank you!
Nice vdieo. There are only 2 types of linux users: Those who use file-managers and those who write their own. You Sir, are the 2nd type 😛
Nice! I'm gonna make the same as you:
fcd
...
Command 'fcd' not found, did you mean
oh, well
Do you havemicrosoft office, please?
No
most of the time I need virtualization to help me understand the directory
tree , ls
He speaks truth!
First 😉 Btw love the video!
Now u use gui 😶 where is your words to use use terminal
I like your video demonstration on terminal commands and scripts in your ~/.zshrc. Your right about people on learning the terminal commands which is were Linux is very strong.
But you fail to mention that ranger has keyboard shortcuts to any directory for daily use. As matter fact it is built. See help. Yes speed in a terminal is important but accuracy is more so. (I don't use ranger btw.)
I like your svix *.jpg pictures in terminal and the use of find with pipe into the fzf, while these commands are simple, when combined with many other commands they can perform amazing tasks.
And replacing cp with rsync a great idea to get new users in to rsync. But one should becareful....
~/ rsync --progress -auv (file) ~/newdir
Archlinux
sudo pacman -Ss fzf
community/fzf 0.35.1-1
Command-line fuzzy finder
community/ytfzf 2.5.3-1
A POSIX script to find and watch youtube videos from the terminal
sudo pacman -Ss sxiv
community/sxiv 26-1
Simple X Image Viewer
When users start playing around with LFS or Gentoo they will be living in the command-line, so learning ssh and sshfs is important for remote installs. :)