you think a downgraded Hanwha class will outmatch an Russian or Chinese sub ? of course chinese quality sub is bad doesn't mean all of it. and don't forget they have more numbers.
Congress is the main problem here in Philippines, they want to take all the budget in social services so they can use it in their election campaigns. While leaving the AFP little budget for the modernization programs. 🤷
This is one of the Philippine navy most wished assets but the congress is cutting the needed budget of the DND Hoping the Congress or some lawmakers push this for the gratefulness of the Philippines defence posture
Nah. Just look at the submarines they made to Indonesian navy. And they don't take the responsibility for the warranty. Submarine is a serious weapon system. You shouldn't do the procurement as the same way you procure the surface vessel. Better ask submarines from German, France, or Italy.
Korea's proposal to the Philippines regarding submarine acquisition is particularly inappropriate. There's a sound reason why many export submarine models are based on relatively old, single-deck designs: all submarines, including warships, invariably experience malfunctions or degraded functionality. The Type 212 submarine, for instance, showed an extremely low operational rate for a considerable period due to various issues, despite being manufactured and used by Germany, which produces almost all components domestically. The real difference lies in how these issues are reported and exploited as political leverage. I've witnessed Japan's submarines, which the Japanese tout as world-class, arrive in Hawaii with functional failures, forcing them to remain docked throughout the entire training period. Interestingly, this wasn't publicized in Japan. I've also seen Singapore's Formidable-class ships, considered Southeast Asia's finest, participate in exercises with malfunctioning main radars. These incidents illustrate a crucial point: while similar problems occur across navies, their perception is largely shaped by media coverage and political narratives. Japan's submarine issues went unnoticed due to lack of reporting, not absence of problems. Even Singapore, with its robust defense budget, isn't immune to such challenges. The message here is clear: operating a navy, especially submarines, inevitably comes with a myriad of complex issues. It requires not just financial resources, but also extensive technical expertise and operational experience. Frankly, the Philippines lacks this capacity. Therefore, if the Philippines is to consider submarines, the best option is not to introduce them at all. If they must, the next best option is to acquire the most proven and simple submarines possible. Hanwha's submarine is a new design with no proven model, not even used by the Korean Navy. It's too complex and expensive. I guarantee 100% that problems will arise, and this will be endlessly exploited and blown out of proportion by those just waiting for such negative issues.
The Philippines 🇵🇭 is looking to acquire 2 of these Korean made submarines and 3 4300 frigates for its FY budget for 2025. With a good deal and a whopping 20% discounts. Total solution package including support & training, maintenance. Thank you to South Korea 🇰🇷
PH wanted to buy these but it's just a dream, Congress already cut the budget for military upgrades. It's sad to see that there is visible corruption, but higher officials turn a blind eye to what is happening.
What needs to happen is the US FMF should be able to utilize purchasing ROK assets, if the true intention is to strengthen the First-Island Chain countries. This should be possible since all three, including Japan are aligned with regional policy in Asia.
You can only buy US made assets with US provided FMF. It's the law. At the end of the day, it's not US responsibility to spend it's own tax dollars for Philippine defense. It's the job of both chambers of the Congress to allocate such appropriations for AFP to buy their wishlists assets.
Mas maganda bumili sa South Korea. Pinakamalapit na ally natin yan at endangered mula sa North Korea, China, at Russian. Sakaling magka World War 3, dapat well funded ang bansa na yan militarily para macontain ang mga kalaban sa NEast Asia.
Indian Navy should consider KSS-III submarine for P75I project, with, Li-ion Batteries + FC-AIP + K-VLS [KSS-III-IN] 6 days on Li-ion Batteries underwater & 7 hrs to charge Li-ion Batteries means for those 7 hrs sub use FC-AIP to power the sub while simultaneously charging Li-ion Batteries, so if the AIP has enough H2 & LOX to do this say minimum 5 times, that translates to 30 days submerged underwater endurance at 5 to 6 Knots, what else does the IN need😮🙌👏🤘 Why are they even looking else where 🤷♂️🤦♂️
That 4300 frigate should have two mk38 mod 4 30mm guns amidship above the torpedo launchers. I wonder why that section isn't totally enclosed and have a top deck including above the boat bays, so customers can have space for more effectors.That 5 inch gun is useless against drones and swarms.
Better for philippines to buy bigger frigates to other countries for now. HHI delivery leadtime of the 6 OPVs of the philippines takes so long. Contract for the 6 OPVs was signed last 2022 and still have not start the first OPV.
Its actually faster than other manufacturers. Greek FTI was signed in 2019, no ships out yet, Glasgow-class was laid out in 2019, no ships active yet. On the other hand H2 PN Corvettes were laid down last year and will be commissioned next year. WTF are you talking about.
@@jdc3695 and also, the first two of the OPVs have already finished the first steel-cutting and are scheduled to be launch by 4th quarter next year. Check out the other Naval News interview with HD HHI.
Sana sa horizons 3 ay sa Germany na kumuha mahal pero napakalas kompara sa HHI na matagal Gawin lalu na ang opshore patrol Hindi pa inuumpisahan hangang Ngayon at mababagal ang mga sasakyan nila 20/25 knots ang bilis sa Germany 28/35 knots
Apples to oranges comparison. Missiles cannot even detect and destroy subs lurking beneath the waters. Most missiles nowadays are more on Air to Air, Air to Ground and Air to Surface. Meanwhile in order to destroy subs, you need sonars, Anti-Submarine helicopters or aircrafts, seamines, depth charges and torpedos. Meanwhile Submarines nowadays are now capable on attacking surface, ground, and aerial threats due to the existence of VLS technology and the existence of technology for missiles being able to be fired via torpedo tubes. Having submarines is a great deterrence against a Navy having much more surface hulls than the Philippine Navy. Ever wonder why the Royal Australian Navy insisted on the AUKUS deal with US and UK? Regardless, don't get me wrong. I'm not against the idea of buying more USVs and Brahmos. In fact, i support the idea of buying them its just... that it's an apples to oranges comparison, yes kamikaze USVs and more Brahmos are good but if you take into consideration the specs of submarines offered by Hanwha, Navantia, Naval Group and Fincarteri. You'll know it packs more punch than just torpedoes.
meron naman.. d mo lang alam kung gaano na karami tayo ng ganyan.. lowkey lang tayo.. kung baga shhhhh lang.. hindi tayo kagaya ng ibang bansa na showie sa kanilang arsenals.. ako alam ko kasi malapit lang ako sa navy base..
kelangan natin ng submarine... sabi nga nila, aabutin ng 5 na destroyer para lang mahanap at ma track ang isang submarine.... ganun ka hirap hanapin ang sabmarine sa ilalim ng dagat...kaya kung maraming barko ang china, mahihirapan talaga pag submarine na ang binungo nila...
Static defense is not a good plan china has a lot of aircrafts that can harass a single area even if we place thousand of AA batteries there which we also can't afford it will penetrate and destroy the static defense
Another problem in the AFP modernization they acquire warship from only one company that's why it takes longer years to be delivered 🙄😜🤔they must acquire from different company and countries so that it will be delivered as soon as possible.., 😊
It's easier if there is more uniformity. The Indian Armed Forces and Indonesian Armed Forces suffer from having too many assets being from different companies, adding costs and complexity rather than a weapon system uniformed being from a common manufacturer where it's easier to get spare parts, maintenance and just general more efficient operations of the weapon systems.
The Offer is good, just in case, it suits the Philippine Navy because it prioritizes the economy flexibility of the offer all goods no matter what. Let's be practical, next time maybe we should aim for a high end submarine
Should be building destroyers, submarines, and small aircraft carriers with F 35s. Philippines has a large population. They should be doing more manufacturing, ship building, and utilizing this to be a dominant force against china.
The country has the largest commercial shipbuilding in the world. It makes you wonder why hasn't the past administrations didn't even think of taking advantage of this to start the local shipbuilding to cater the needs of the PN and PCG.
Philippines needs at least 24 guided missiles frigates! 30 offshore vessels! 8 submarines and 100 multi role aircraft! That’s reality of f guarding the 7600 islands we have!
make the world laugh, they make and build submarines but they can't fix them if there is a system error and damage. funny thing that korea gives to consumers. but what's funnier is that there are still those who want to buy their products. is it because of bribes from officials or lures that will harm buyers in the future. from price, quality and time losses. my statement now, if the philippines buy this submarine, one day they will regret it after using it.take it and you can take my word for it now, how many times and years to come. you will feel the same loss. both loss of time, quality, poor defense and money. and we did submarine repair in Korea at that time. and some time later our submarine sank after their claim was able to do overhull service.
Pinoys can do research what kind ORE package they tryna offer to Indonesian Navy then you'll be much more aware what's the issues is. By now all cooperation between ID and SK submarine is pretty much gone, severed by poor response to addressing the issue. The 3rd submarine from the first contract was ready and scheduled to launch in 2018 (see my short) after they found problems, later it happens in 2021. 3 Years wait worth of nothing. I remember some officials still trying to save Korean face, by buying time for them and hope them to resolve it. Gaslighting the issue with too shallow depth and mud issue surrounding the launching facility, yet three years after they did it without even single dredger ship doing their job. Indonesian leadership were furious, got additional funding after Nanggala accident and severed the deal. Guess who is the one who lost of trust here? Philippine Navy better be prepared and manage their expectations. People here thinking that we are Chinese just because we are opposing PH plan to acquire SK sub is just hilarious.
Samantalahin na dpat pagbili ng south Korean warship,submarine at fighter jet habang mura ma Pero ang quality pang US...south Korean na rin ggwa ng mga warship ng US after nun cgurado Matas na price.
how can we buy submarine if the programmed( funded) funds are only 50 billion pesos? we already have pending 35 billion unprogrammed(unfunded but promised) funds. The government basically throwing empty promises while they can fund 1 trillion social aid which is not economically beneficial
Present and future administrations should develop and maintain our own ship building industry. Time to get off the hammock and roll up our sleeves. Tama na ang bulok na Philippine politics. We desperately need leaders who will not sell the country's lawful rights and it's citizens' entitlements under the rule of law, international or otherwise.
@@konsanalite we can only preach, admonish and echo what we already know, let's leave the military planning and geopolitics to the experts and hope and pray they'll pull us through. May true peace prevail.
Dnt give OVP her 2 billion and reduce half of senator pork barrel of 300 million ,,,surely we can buy submarine ,,sacrifice of nationalist for our country
Ph shouldn't waste its defense budget on conventional military equipment and hardware. Instead, focus on cost effective weapons that leapfrog battle technology and provide more bang for the buck like sattelie remote guided drones, mediun range ballistics, and asymetrical warfare
If we really take Ukraine into this discussion. The Ukrainians are pushing for more conventional weapons to strike back at Russia, i really don't think there's any problem acquiring them if AFU commissioned their 1st MILGEM Class Corvette from Istanbul, Turkey, Stress for more Air Defense, Push for more F-16s, and push for more conventional weapons to strike deeper into Russia. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea of getting cheaper and economical weapons. But your average Kamikaze drones cannot intercept enemy missiles like MRFs or Air defense do, your average Kamikaze USVs cannot even function as both a offensive and defensive asset like the MMCFs, as it's possesses VLS and C-Star AShMs, and these drones are subjected into electronic jamming by enemies. Id say we should push for both.
South Korea submarines are excellent - they’re all copies of the German 209 and 212/214 submarines - you better explain yourself Sir cause you got egg on your face…!
South Korea should reflect on why Indonesia is reluctant to continue the Nagapasa class Batch II sea ship program. The Nagapasa class 403 and 404 submarines need comprehensive repairs because their performance is completely unsatisfactory. If you want Nagapasa class Batch II, South Korea must be responsible for repairing 403 and 404, aka quality guarantee.
See my YT short, the third submarine (405) of Nagapasa class was scheduled to launch in 2018 until they found defects and the launch scheduled back to 2021. 403 and 404 still undergoes ORE, guess what's happens? Good luck for Philippine Navy..
Don't waste money. Not a single country in Southeast Asia can properly operate submarines. When the US offers support, focus on building as many coast guard vessels as possible. The Philippine military is powerless against China, but the Philippine Coast Guard is useful. And don't have illusions about submarines. They're not the ultimate decisive weapon you imagine them to be. Don't envy Indonesia, Malaysia, or Thailand just because they have submarines. Their navies are just as amateurish as yours. They're not real navies, but more like naval cosplay at best.
Let us take a gamble on S80 at least it can fire tomahawk missiles..the korean export versions of models always degrade the capability compared to what the korean navy have although they deliver fast but not capable example we have budget but they remove AIP and VLS of KSS 3 why don't they offer then reduce it when philippines says out of budget this won't work with Marcos and Gibo Teodoro this are different culture with duterte mayabang in nature ang mga to they won't buy na kahiyahiyang weapons for sure. Sa France Scorpene mukhang maganda at subok kaso bakit ndi ginagamit ng france navy kahit pandagdag atleast yung S80 e2 lang gamit nila kung baga yung bansa nila e2 na pinaka malakas na submarine
@@SnowLeopard2121 philippines is not poor bro., as of now philippines have a 475 billion dollar GDP this year 2024 but our country spend only 1% of gdp for military and this is the law of the philippines should not spend above at 1%.. if our congress and senate revise the law for the military and make atleast 2% of GDP spending for our military, our armed forces will get stronger like NATO COUNTRIES. 1% is too small for military spending.
@@SnowLeopard2121Nahh I dont think PH is really "poor" its just that those who are in authority about the country's funds dont know what to prioritize or intentionally dont really want to prioritize concerns like these at all. Example, If PH can fund millions for a botched logo of gaming and amusement department which look like any gradeschool can do, I dont see any reason not to give the defense department the proper funds it needs for modernization. Take note, that is just one department of PH govtmnt. Do the math.
@@ACTV_MNL Stop playing with words. The Philippines' GDP is only $471.516 billion (nominal; 2024 est.). A fragmented industry made up of countless divided islands. Combat with rebels. War on poverty. China's threat at a time when there are countless places for money. It's true that I don't have enough money to spend everywhere.
Haha Indonesians are corrupt as hell, Prabowo Subianto wanted $$$$ from Hanwah deal that's why this failed. Hanwha can only transfer tech via extra 3 sub order which was the original deal, and Prabowo Subianto stop the deal when Hanwha was producing 2 subs for Indonesia and this order in limbo. Now due to this, Indonesian cannot even overhaul submarines they've got from Hanwha. This happens when you tried to short corner. Indonesian navy and their army still depended on Korean ammunitions and parts, spreading lies about Korea only hinders Indonesia's future when Korea is also helping Indonesia with relocating capital and EV battery factories.
Jang bogo 1400 ton is problematic under performance submarine and Hanwa/DSME denied to fix it, so indonesia cancel another 3 jang bogo batch 2...if philipine want indonesia will happy to sell 3 jang bogo to philipines with cheap price than indonesia fix it together with Naval france 🤣
That's not true, you only getting from Indonesian side, they didn't even cancel it but rather ignored it and went on with French sub. Submarines aren't cheap. They're very expensive to maintain and that's where Indonesia fallen into, their maintenance record is bad.
Why you love lying ? Why indonesia cancel 3 chang bogo class only $1,1B and build 2 scorpene $2,4 B and Soon Indonesia will buy another interim submarine and also indonesia will Repair 3 chang bogo to Naval cause Hanwa/DSME denied to fix their problematic chang bogo
@@ytn00b3Then where do you have to get it from, Indonesia operates it, of course Indonesia knows better the quality, the Minister of Defense has given conditions if you want to continue with the next batch, Korea must resolve this problem. A battery capacity that is too small will certainly reduce the performance of the submarine, but Korea ignored this condition so that Indonesia switched to French products and France was willing to increase the performance of the Cangbogo class after cutting the first steel from the 2 evolved scorpene. at PTPAL Indonesia
I really think PN has very well considered the Indonesian Navy Jang Bogo Class fiasco when studying the acquisition and technical specifications on their own submarine acquisition project. Regardless, PN stands benefitted in this issue
@@Juanleonardo-w5q mate, the arms world doesn't work that simple. Indonesia simply doesn't have much cash in hand, everything they deal with involves government's soft loans. Indonesia already operates 2 Type 209 from S.Korea, they'll need that operating for next 30 years and Indonesia still need Hanwha to perform full overhauling maintenance in 7 years time, they can do that with German contractor who knows Type 209 architecture but all the onboard systems are integrated by Hanwha and using some Hanhwa's own sensors and system as well. Indonesia shutoff Hanwha from 3 more Type 209 nagapasa model (which is specifically built for Indonesia's requested specs). That two Napagasa subs have no issues. So I don't know where you pulling that fake story from? There's no report of faults from that Napagasa sub as it's proven 209 design. It's small sub without AIP, enchanced 209 napagasa sub is good, otherwise it won't be in operation. There's very aged 209 class sub that Indonesia is operating which had full overhauling with DSME done, 1 unfortunately sank during the drill mission and other 1 is still operating but due to its age its not safe enough to go full mission. It serves only as training sub for now. Originally, Indonesia wanted replace all two ageging subs and buy 5 or 6 new subs, and this was when DSME contract was signed. Indonesia never proceed after the accident. Stop comparing the Napagasa subs that were produced in DSME dockyard - they're good. Just that other aged sub needs to retire. Overhauling should have done when sub reached 7 years of operation. Usually sub's within 30 years of lifespan, it must go through 3 overhauling maintenance - cut into pieces and clean and repaire, and replace the battery every 7th year and even replace equipment & sensors & systems. Stop complaining with over 50 years old sub. Indonesia still need Hanwha. Type 209 is still good sub for coaster defense. Good luck with Sporpene sub, they also has many issues too. Every submarines has issues - no submarines are perfect that is why making & operating submarine is very hard and expensive. Look at China and Japan, they have massive issues with their subs too. You think French and Turkish are perfect? they also went through hardships operating their subs.
If you're an Indonesian, take a look at how the English-speaking international media is evaluating Indonesia, the Indonesian submarine business, and the Indonesian IFX business. Indonesia has lost a lot of trust in the international community. Find and read articles from more countries with higher freedom of speech, in addition to the Indonesian state media.
@@SnowLeopard2121 That not change the fact that DSME/Hanwha Ocean mess up their DSME 1400. The products has problem and they can't resolve it. Indonesia has to talk to other supplier like TKMS to find solutions for that submarine problem. Now they want to sell the similar submarine to Philippines hoping Pinoy Will fall for that. Learn other media, and not just South Korean ones.
@@emilhilmy8682 Every media outlet in the world except Indonesian media is explaining that they lost the contract because of the back margin. This is Indonesia's fault. They say it's a problem, but they don't really explain what it is. Instead, they want submarines from France, where kickbacks are legal. Right. It's a black money problem. That's Indonesia's problem.
@@SnowLeopard2121 So funny what you explain😂 Lost of trust but have contract Scorpone with Transfer Technology, Tank Harimau Join production with Turkey, Collaboration CMS Fregate Merah Putih with Turkey, etc.. If you say this is Lost Trust, I think Just With your Country.. Too much South Korean breach the contract and never seriously Help the Indonesian defense industry.. So, I think it's normal for Indonesia to lose trust with South Korean and Indonesia chose a country that was more serious about helping its defense industry.
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A lot of salty Chinese nationalists in the comments denigrating Hanwha subs while their own sink at dock...
Of course, they don't like it but can't do anything about it other than throw tantrums like a little child.
you think a downgraded Hanwha class will outmatch an Russian or Chinese sub ? of course chinese quality sub is bad doesn't mean all of it. and don't forget they have more numbers.
@@ytn00b3Excuse me, will the monkey king of your monkey kingdom use bananas to fight?
Philippines being an archipelagic country should have a submarine.
There's a lot of crocodile in Congress already.
Cannot afford.
@@johnlucas6683 Philippine can afford but the money goes elsewhere except to where it should, thank you to the ones seating in the congress.
@@hakhaimo and they wont even maintain it properly
Congress is the main problem here in Philippines, they want to take all the budget in social services so they can use it in their election campaigns. While leaving the AFP little budget for the modernization programs. 🤷
We have the same problem here in Brazil, money for political campaigns exists, but education, health, security and defense always suffer budget cuts.
Nop. The biggest problem in the Philippines is “overseas Chinese” .
Those budget for social services will never reach the filipino masses. Those Crocodiles in the House of Representative should be audited.
Told you all our government here corrupt just like there damn faces🤦🏻
this is why we need another duterte who can literally command the congress to do what he wish. sounds dictatorship but what we need right now
good choice ..s korea makes all good weapons..costs less…fast deliveries..
This is one of the Philippine navy most wished assets but the congress is cutting the needed budget of the DND Hoping the Congress or some lawmakers push this for the gratefulness of the Philippines defence posture
Nah. Just look at the submarines they made to Indonesian navy. And they don't take the responsibility for the warranty.
Submarine is a serious weapon system. You shouldn't do the procurement as the same way you procure the surface vessel. Better ask submarines from German, France, or Italy.
dami kasing congresista na na impluwensiyahan ng mga makabayan bloc
Awesome! I hope that Philippines can acquire submarines as soon as possible.🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭💪💪💪
Take note "Economical" vs "Capable". Weight your options.
Korea's proposal to the Philippines regarding submarine acquisition is particularly inappropriate. There's a sound reason why many export submarine models are based on relatively old, single-deck designs: all submarines, including warships, invariably experience malfunctions or degraded functionality. The Type 212 submarine, for instance, showed an extremely low operational rate for a considerable period due to various issues, despite being manufactured and used by Germany, which produces almost all components domestically.
The real difference lies in how these issues are reported and exploited as political leverage. I've witnessed Japan's submarines, which the Japanese tout as world-class, arrive in Hawaii with functional failures, forcing them to remain docked throughout the entire training period. Interestingly, this wasn't publicized in Japan. I've also seen Singapore's Formidable-class ships, considered Southeast Asia's finest, participate in exercises with malfunctioning main radars.
These incidents illustrate a crucial point: while similar problems occur across navies, their perception is largely shaped by media coverage and political narratives. Japan's submarine issues went unnoticed due to lack of reporting, not absence of problems. Even Singapore, with its robust defense budget, isn't immune to such challenges.
The message here is clear: operating a navy, especially submarines, inevitably comes with a myriad of complex issues. It requires not just financial resources, but also extensive technical expertise and operational experience. Frankly, the Philippines lacks this capacity.
Therefore, if the Philippines is to consider submarines, the best option is not to introduce them at all. If they must, the next best option is to acquire the most proven and simple submarines possible. Hanwha's submarine is a new design with no proven model, not even used by the Korean Navy. It's too complex and expensive. I guarantee 100% that problems will arise, and this will be endlessly exploited and blown out of proportion by those just waiting for such negative issues.
good luck....PH-SOKOR....god bless us.....🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
First time seing Sir Xavier wearing Polo Shirt😊 Yeah, the weather in the philippines its so hot right now lol
We need submarine for WPS.
The Philippines 🇵🇭 is looking to acquire 2 of these Korean made submarines and 3 4300 frigates for its FY budget for 2025. With a good deal and a whopping 20% discounts. Total solution package including support & training, maintenance.
Thank you to South Korea 🇰🇷
PH wanted to buy these but it's just a dream, Congress already cut the budget for military upgrades. It's sad to see that there is visible corruption, but higher officials turn a blind eye to what is happening.
We need Submarine with 6-VLS back and Torpedo front❤❤❤
We need to have our own shipyard. We are one of the biggest ship builder and we are capable of building our own vessel so we should focus on that
What needs to happen is the US FMF should be able to utilize purchasing ROK assets, if the true intention is to strengthen the First-Island Chain countries. This should be possible since all three, including Japan are aligned with regional policy in Asia.
Nope - the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) by law, must purchase US military equipment.
You can only buy US made assets with US provided FMF. It's the law. At the end of the day, it's not US responsibility to spend it's own tax dollars for Philippine defense. It's the job of both chambers of the Congress to allocate such appropriations for AFP to buy their wishlists assets.
Malakas makakalaban neto scorpene submarine ng france ok naman sana sa Spain kaso sobrang mahal ng presyo
Sobra mahal ay masbuti at mahusay quality
True
Scorepene submarine, the best option
solid ung spain subamarine pwede mag launch ng tomahawk kaso paka mahal
Mas maganda bumili sa South Korea. Pinakamalapit na ally natin yan at endangered mula sa North Korea, China, at Russian. Sakaling magka World War 3, dapat well funded ang bansa na yan militarily para macontain ang mga kalaban sa NEast Asia.
Indian Navy should consider KSS-III submarine for P75I project, with, Li-ion Batteries + FC-AIP + K-VLS [KSS-III-IN]
6 days on Li-ion Batteries underwater & 7 hrs to charge Li-ion Batteries means for those 7 hrs sub use FC-AIP to power the sub while simultaneously charging Li-ion Batteries, so if the AIP has enough H2 & LOX to do this say minimum 5 times, that translates to 30 days submerged underwater endurance at 5 to 6 Knots, what else does the IN need😮🙌👏🤘
Why are they even looking else where 🤷♂️🤦♂️
That 4300 frigate should have two mk38 mod 4 30mm guns amidship above the torpedo launchers. I wonder why that section isn't totally enclosed and have a top deck including above the boat bays, so customers can have space for more effectors.That 5 inch gun is useless against drones and swarms.
Korean design don't have secondary gun even their own navy ship
Well the Aselsan Gokdeniz can work as CIWS and secondary gun as it can fire airburst rounds and standard rounds good for asymmetrical surface targets.
I think the french submarine is more suit for PN
KSS-III would be amazing
KSS-III for pn with lithium-ion, submerged mode only 6 days
while scorpene evolved in submerged mode for 12 days
never take a submarine from south korea, i guarantee 100% you will have problems
@@scandaloush no 15day
Better for philippines to buy bigger frigates to other countries for now. HHI delivery leadtime of the 6 OPVs of the philippines takes so long. Contract for the 6 OPVs was signed last 2022 and still have not start the first OPV.
Hanwa are not to be trusted.
Its actually faster than other manufacturers. Greek FTI was signed in 2019, no ships out yet, Glasgow-class was laid out in 2019, no ships active yet. On the other hand H2 PN Corvettes were laid down last year and will be commissioned next year. WTF are you talking about.
Perfect fake news.
A liar.
@@jdc3695 and also, the first two of the OPVs have already finished the first steel-cutting and are scheduled to be launch by 4th quarter next year. Check out the other Naval News interview with HD HHI.
Sana sa horizons 3 ay sa Germany na kumuha mahal pero napakalas kompara sa HHI na matagal Gawin lalu na ang opshore patrol Hindi pa inuumpisahan hangang Ngayon at mababagal ang mga sasakyan nila 20/25 knots ang bilis sa Germany 28/35 knots
bumili ng 1000x Bramos.. Wag na makipaglaban sa dagat hndi rin yan mananalo. Focus more on Bramos, Drones, Missile Defense and Artillery.
Apples to oranges comparison. Missiles cannot even detect and destroy subs lurking beneath the waters. Most missiles nowadays are more on Air to Air, Air to Ground and Air to Surface.
Meanwhile in order to destroy subs, you need sonars, Anti-Submarine helicopters or aircrafts, seamines, depth charges and torpedos.
Meanwhile Submarines nowadays are now capable on attacking surface, ground, and aerial threats due to the existence of VLS technology and the existence of technology for missiles being able to be fired via torpedo tubes.
Having submarines is a great deterrence against a Navy having much more surface hulls than the Philippine Navy. Ever wonder why the Royal Australian Navy insisted on the AUKUS deal with US and UK?
Regardless, don't get me wrong. I'm not against the idea of buying more USVs and Brahmos. In fact, i support the idea of buying them its just... that it's an apples to oranges comparison, yes kamikaze USVs and more Brahmos are good but if you take into consideration the specs of submarines offered by Hanwha, Navantia, Naval Group and Fincarteri. You'll know it packs more punch than just torpedoes.
meron naman.. d mo lang alam kung gaano na karami tayo ng ganyan.. lowkey lang tayo.. kung baga shhhhh lang.. hindi tayo kagaya ng ibang bansa na showie sa kanilang arsenals.. ako alam ko kasi malapit lang ako sa navy base..
kelangan natin ng submarine... sabi nga nila, aabutin ng 5 na destroyer para lang mahanap at ma track ang isang submarine.... ganun ka hirap hanapin ang sabmarine sa ilalim ng dagat...kaya kung maraming barko ang china, mahihirapan talaga pag submarine na ang binungo nila...
Static defense is not a good plan china has a lot of aircrafts that can harass a single area even if we place thousand of AA batteries there which we also can't afford it will penetrate and destroy the static defense
Cross your finger Hanwah KSS3 PN will be the first submarine of Philippine Navy, if thats happen I'll going back in this video and I will say Yipee
We also the important of submarine in Philippine navy so China the connot bully our Philippine if we have and submarine its important.
Another problem in the AFP modernization they acquire warship from only one company that's why it takes longer years to be delivered 🙄😜🤔they must acquire from different company and countries so that it will be delivered as soon as possible.., 😊
Then it will be later and more expensive.
It's easier if there is more uniformity. The Indian Armed Forces and Indonesian Armed Forces suffer from having too many assets being from different companies, adding costs and complexity rather than a weapon system uniformed being from a common manufacturer where it's easier to get spare parts, maintenance and just general more efficient operations of the weapon systems.
Ordering more from one company makes it cheaper as well. More discounts, and the parts would be from the same supplier.
You must be unbelievably so stupid and know nothing about HHI and Philippine Navy acquisition projects to comment such garbage opinion.
@@johnlucas6683how about technology 😂😂😂two frigates from south Korea is weak and design the warships is not good.
My submarine will be a peaceful submarine !🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🕊♥️
i hope someday we have submarine
What about the defects they made to Indonesian submarines? Why they runaway from their responsibility?
let the philippines buy it🤣
philippines will still need the AIP and VLS system for its future submarine needs
The Offer is good, just in case, it suits the Philippine Navy because it prioritizes the economy flexibility of the offer all goods no matter what. Let's be practical, next time maybe we should aim for a high end submarine
Any one can sell any thing if the one offer good package of 30 years loan and 30 years after- service.
Total package. Me sub na ,free training ,,home base command ,
Buti pa yung Singapore, they just received their 2 brand new highly advanced attack submarines from Germany.
Yes just saw that, money can buy but to get it service they need to go back to Germany.
Singapore is a rich country. The Philippines only has corrupt politicians.
@@ytn00b3Only Major Service,Minor Service Is In Singapore By St Engineers Company And Not Every Year Major Service Are Conduct
@@sayfolman7752 that's regular service, I was referring to full overhauling, this normally goes back to supplier.
Simple they are Rich
Should be building destroyers, submarines, and small aircraft carriers with F 35s. Philippines has a large population. They should be doing more manufacturing, ship building, and utilizing this to be a dominant force against china.
The country has the largest commercial shipbuilding in the world. It makes you wonder why hasn't the past administrations didn't even think of taking advantage of this to start the local shipbuilding to cater the needs of the PN and PCG.
Philippines should have a Submarine fleet
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Philippines needs at least 24 guided missiles frigates! 30 offshore vessels! 8 submarines and 100 multi role aircraft! That’s reality of f guarding the 7600 islands we have!
make the world laugh, they make and build submarines but they can't fix them if there is a system error and damage. funny thing that korea gives to consumers. but what's funnier is that there are still those who want to buy their products. is it because of bribes from officials or lures that will harm buyers in the future. from price, quality and time losses. my statement now, if the philippines buy this submarine, one day they will regret it after using it.take it and you can take my word for it now, how many times and years to come. you will feel the same loss. both loss of time, quality, poor defense and money. and we did submarine repair in Korea at that time. and some time later our submarine sank after their claim was able to do overhull service.
Pinoys can do research what kind ORE package they tryna offer to Indonesian Navy then you'll be much more aware what's the issues is. By now all cooperation between ID and SK submarine is pretty much gone, severed by poor response to addressing the issue.
The 3rd submarine from the first contract was ready and scheduled to launch in 2018 (see my short) after they found problems, later it happens in 2021. 3 Years wait worth of nothing.
I remember some officials still trying to save Korean face, by buying time for them and hope them to resolve it. Gaslighting the issue with too shallow depth and mud issue surrounding the launching facility, yet three years after they did it without even single dredger ship doing their job.
Indonesian leadership were furious, got additional funding after Nanggala accident and severed the deal. Guess who is the one who lost of trust here? Philippine Navy better be prepared and manage their expectations.
People here thinking that we are Chinese just because we are opposing PH plan to acquire SK sub is just hilarious.
Price
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Samantalahin na dpat pagbili ng south Korean warship,submarine at fighter jet habang mura ma Pero ang quality pang US...south Korean na rin ggwa ng mga warship ng US after nun cgurado Matas na price.
how can we buy submarine if the programmed( funded) funds are only 50 billion pesos? we already have pending 35 billion unprogrammed(unfunded but promised) funds. The government basically throwing empty promises while they can fund 1 trillion social aid which is not economically beneficial
Its require changing law so AFP can take soft loan from South Korea
Mas bagay yung hdf43000 frigate sa phil navy kaso ang budget ng gobyerno hindi sapat.
Korea should offer with VLS philippines has budget now
Present and future administrations should develop and maintain our own ship building industry. Time to get off the hammock and roll up our sleeves. Tama na ang bulok na Philippine politics. We desperately need leaders who will not sell the country's lawful rights and it's citizens' entitlements under the rule of law, international or otherwise.
Preach
we should move as one kaso napaka divisive ng davao group. self reliant defense posture should be our top priority
@@konsanalite we can only preach, admonish and echo what we already know, let's leave the military planning and geopolitics to the experts and hope and pray they'll pull us through. May true peace prevail.
Type 212CD have VLS around 850M better choice new model
As a Filipino im so sad that we dont have submarine
Because Submarine are expensive to Buy and Operate compared to Missile Frigate
Think how many Filipino are starving and you dare to buy WHAT?
Payaman bansa pag nag tagumpay na ang batas militar tagumpay narin kami para za inyo .
keyword is always more "economical" rather more "capabilities" i highly doubt the Philippines will buy hat submarines this generation haha so sad!
Take a shot every time he says um uh
Better yet get every dollar everytime he says "um uh"
Only korean military hardwares? No other countries?
Dnt give OVP her 2 billion and reduce half of senator pork barrel of 300 million ,,,surely we can buy submarine ,,sacrifice of nationalist for our country
Submarines with VLS are better, a must for PN.
malabo..binawasan badget ng DND...😭🇵🇭
Binawasan b nmn ng 170 billion 😂😂😂
actually true pero both france and sk offered credit line but Phillipine capital ship should be funded solely by the phillippines
Hanwa 4300 is much better than HHI 3500
The fck why they remove the vls just accommodate they budget while the real reason to buy such is its power
Ph shouldn't waste its defense budget on conventional military equipment and hardware. Instead, focus on cost effective weapons that leapfrog battle technology and provide more bang for the buck like sattelie remote guided drones, mediun range ballistics, and asymetrical warfare
If we really take Ukraine into this discussion. The Ukrainians are pushing for more conventional weapons to strike back at Russia, i really don't think there's any problem acquiring them if AFU commissioned their 1st MILGEM Class Corvette from Istanbul, Turkey, Stress for more Air Defense, Push for more F-16s, and push for more conventional weapons to strike deeper into Russia.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea of getting cheaper and economical weapons. But your average Kamikaze drones cannot intercept enemy missiles like MRFs or Air defense do, your average Kamikaze USVs cannot even function as both a offensive and defensive asset like the MMCFs, as it's possesses VLS and C-Star AShMs, and these drones are subjected into electronic jamming by enemies.
Id say we should push for both.
I dont think removing AIP is a good move. The Ocean models do show promise though.
So we can afford it but is still have Lithium Battery
Speaker stop corruptions . Buy submarine
Mabibili lang ng mga congressita at senador yan pag hindi na uso sub😅😅
A lesson from Indonesia to our Philippines brothers :
Don't buy Submarines from South Korea !
why?
Not like our crocodiles will allow us to buy submarines in the first place
South Korea submarines are excellent - they’re all copies of the German 209 and 212/214 submarines - you better explain yourself Sir cause you got egg on your face…!
South Korea should reflect on why Indonesia is reluctant to continue the Nagapasa class Batch II sea ship program.
The Nagapasa class 403 and 404 submarines need comprehensive repairs because their performance is completely unsatisfactory.
If you want Nagapasa class Batch II, South Korea must be responsible for repairing 403 and 404, aka quality guarantee.
See my YT short, the third submarine (405) of Nagapasa class was scheduled to launch in 2018 until they found defects and the launch scheduled back to 2021.
403 and 404 still undergoes ORE, guess what's happens?
Good luck for Philippine Navy..
Not yet to purchase only dreaming
They never said PN purchased their subs in the first place. So why keep blabbering rubbish in the comments?
It Free To Dream,
hnggang pangarap n lng yan!
hnggat mraming mgnanakaw at tulisan sa gobyerno!
Don't waste money. Not a single country in Southeast Asia can properly operate submarines. When the US offers support, focus on building as many coast guard vessels as possible. The Philippine military is powerless against China, but the Philippine Coast Guard is useful. And don't have illusions about submarines. They're not the ultimate decisive weapon you imagine them to be. Don't envy Indonesia, Malaysia, or Thailand just because they have submarines. Their navies are just as amateurish as yours. They're not real navies, but more like naval cosplay at best.
Omg, sub without VLS is of little use
Those Torpedo Tube can fire Heavyweight Torpedo which can split any ship and Anti Ship missile
Let us take a gamble on S80 at least it can fire tomahawk missiles..the korean export versions of models always degrade the capability compared to what the korean navy have although they deliver fast but not capable example we have budget but they remove AIP and VLS of KSS 3 why don't they offer then reduce it when philippines says out of budget this won't work with Marcos and Gibo Teodoro this are different culture with duterte mayabang in nature ang mga to they won't buy na kahiyahiyang weapons for sure. Sa France Scorpene mukhang maganda at subok kaso bakit ndi ginagamit ng france navy kahit pandagdag atleast yung S80 e2 lang gamit nila kung baga yung bansa nila e2 na pinaka malakas na submarine
예상대로 인도네시아산 오랑우탄 파티가 벌어지고 있군 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Great Comment And Actual Fact But They Never Accept It They Will Start Attacking You
ㄹㅇ 지들이 운용잘못해서 잠수함 침몰 시켜놓고 우리탓만함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Kf21도 그렇고 진짜 미개토인이 따로없음
wala paring budget 😂
50 YRS BEFORE THE PHILS CAN AQUIRE SUBMARINE
Korea Number 1!!! China Number 2!! Philippines LAST!!!
Lp
No need for Submarine we have already more Crocodile 🐊 in the Congress😂 they always cut the Budget for DND
We dnd and PN cant afford tajt because lots of corruption crodiles in Congress and senatw😅😅
“Economical”= downgraded version
We can't even afford to buy 12 MRFs. The Philippines is poorer than you think. This is the best the Philippines can do.
@@SnowLeopard2121 well yes and kng meron man pera tinatapyasan ng mga ungas
@@SnowLeopard2121 philippines is not poor bro., as of now philippines have a 475 billion dollar GDP this year 2024
but our country spend only 1% of gdp for military and this is the law of the philippines should not spend above at 1%..
if our congress and senate revise the law for the military and make atleast 2% of GDP spending for our military,
our armed forces will get stronger like NATO COUNTRIES.
1% is too small for military spending.
@@SnowLeopard2121Nahh I dont think PH is really "poor" its just that those who are in authority about the country's funds dont know what to prioritize or intentionally dont really want to prioritize concerns like these at all. Example, If PH can fund millions for a botched logo of gaming and amusement department which look like any gradeschool can do, I dont see any reason not to give the defense department the proper funds it needs for modernization. Take note, that is just one department of PH govtmnt. Do the math.
@@ACTV_MNL Stop playing with words. The Philippines' GDP is only $471.516 billion (nominal; 2024 est.).
A fragmented industry made up of countless divided islands. Combat with rebels. War on poverty. China's threat at a time when there are countless places for money.
It's true that I don't have enough money to spend everywhere.
Never forget Hanwa Corruption!
bong go
Maganda yun proposal ng korea before tayo sana una makakagamit ng system na un. Kaya lng hindi pa subok.
Haha Indonesians are corrupt as hell, Prabowo Subianto wanted $$$$ from Hanwah deal that's why this failed. Hanwha can only transfer tech via extra 3 sub order which was the original deal, and Prabowo Subianto stop the deal when Hanwha was producing 2 subs for Indonesia and this order in limbo. Now due to this, Indonesian cannot even overhaul submarines they've got from Hanwha. This happens when you tried to short corner. Indonesian navy and their army still depended on Korean ammunitions and parts, spreading lies about Korea only hinders Indonesia's future when Korea is also helping Indonesia with relocating capital and EV battery factories.
China $230b military budget😂😂
afp no budget🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Have budget pero napunta sa ayuda.
More drawings and dreams... 😂😂😂
Jang bogo 1400 ton is problematic under performance submarine and Hanwa/DSME denied to fix it, so indonesia cancel another 3 jang bogo batch 2...if philipine want indonesia will happy to sell 3 jang bogo to philipines with cheap price than indonesia fix it together with Naval france 🤣
That's not true, you only getting from Indonesian side, they didn't even cancel it but rather ignored it and went on with French sub. Submarines aren't cheap. They're very expensive to maintain and that's where Indonesia fallen into, their maintenance record is bad.
Why you love lying ? Why indonesia cancel 3 chang bogo class only $1,1B and build 2 scorpene $2,4 B and Soon Indonesia will buy another interim submarine and also indonesia will Repair 3 chang bogo to Naval cause Hanwa/DSME denied to fix their problematic chang bogo
@@ytn00b3Then where do you have to get it from, Indonesia operates it, of course Indonesia knows better the quality, the Minister of Defense has given conditions if you want to continue with the next batch, Korea must resolve this problem. A battery capacity that is too small will certainly reduce the performance of the submarine, but Korea ignored this condition so that Indonesia switched to French products and France was willing to increase the performance of the Cangbogo class after cutting the first steel from the 2 evolved scorpene. at PTPAL Indonesia
I really think PN has very well considered the Indonesian Navy Jang Bogo Class fiasco when studying the acquisition and technical specifications on their own submarine acquisition project. Regardless, PN stands benefitted in this issue
@@Juanleonardo-w5q mate, the arms world doesn't work that simple. Indonesia simply doesn't have much cash in hand, everything they deal with involves government's soft loans. Indonesia already operates 2 Type 209 from S.Korea, they'll need that operating for next 30 years and Indonesia still need Hanwha to perform full overhauling maintenance in 7 years time, they can do that with German contractor who knows Type 209 architecture but all the onboard systems are integrated by Hanwha and using some Hanhwa's own sensors and system as well. Indonesia shutoff Hanwha from 3 more Type 209 nagapasa model (which is specifically built for Indonesia's requested specs). That two Napagasa subs have no issues. So I don't know where you pulling that fake story from? There's no report of faults from that Napagasa sub as it's proven 209 design. It's small sub without AIP, enchanced 209 napagasa sub is good, otherwise it won't be in operation. There's very aged 209 class sub that Indonesia is operating which had full overhauling with DSME done, 1 unfortunately sank during the drill mission and other 1 is still operating but due to its age its not safe enough to go full mission. It serves only as training sub for now. Originally, Indonesia wanted replace all two ageging subs and buy 5 or 6 new subs, and this was when DSME contract was signed. Indonesia never proceed after the accident. Stop comparing the Napagasa subs that were produced in DSME dockyard - they're good. Just that other aged sub needs to retire. Overhauling should have done when sub reached 7 years of operation. Usually sub's within 30 years of lifespan, it must go through 3 overhauling maintenance - cut into pieces and clean and repaire, and replace the battery every 7th year and even replace equipment & sensors & systems. Stop complaining with over 50 years old sub. Indonesia still need Hanwha. Type 209 is still good sub for coaster defense. Good luck with Sporpene sub, they also has many issues too. Every submarines has issues - no submarines are perfect that is why making & operating submarine is very hard and expensive. Look at China and Japan, they have massive issues with their subs too. You think French and Turkish are perfect? they also went through hardships operating their subs.
Not good submarine
is this chang bogo class? looked what they did to indonesian submarine, is a total unfinished trash product!
If you're an Indonesian, take a look at how the English-speaking international media is evaluating Indonesia, the Indonesian submarine business, and the Indonesian IFX business.
Indonesia has lost a lot of trust in the international community. Find and read articles from more countries with higher freedom of speech, in addition to the Indonesian state media.
@@SnowLeopard2121 That not change the fact that DSME/Hanwha Ocean mess up their DSME 1400. The products has problem and they can't resolve it.
Indonesia has to talk to other supplier like TKMS to find solutions for that submarine problem. Now they want to sell the similar submarine to Philippines hoping Pinoy Will fall for that.
Learn other media, and not just South Korean ones.
@@emilhilmy8682 Every media outlet in the world except Indonesian media is explaining that they lost the contract because of the back margin. This is Indonesia's fault. They say it's a problem, but they don't really explain what it is. Instead, they want submarines from France, where kickbacks are legal. Right. It's a black money problem. That's Indonesia's problem.
@@SnowLeopard2121 So funny what you explain😂 Lost of trust but have contract Scorpone with Transfer Technology, Tank Harimau Join production with Turkey, Collaboration CMS Fregate Merah Putih with Turkey, etc.. If you say this is Lost Trust, I think Just With your Country.. Too much South Korean breach the contract and never seriously Help the Indonesian defense industry..
So, I think it's normal for Indonesia to lose trust with South Korean and Indonesia chose a country that was more serious about helping its defense industry.
trash? that's only submarines Indonesia got right now and still operational. LOL
The South Korean subs is bad we Indonesian regrets buy for them
first of all, their submarine batteries quality are bad..
Korean again? Damn it, how much bribe money did they give
Hyundai Heavy Industries already have shared ownership of Hanjin Shipyard
Waste of money,will be sunk in a few hours in a battle..
Build drone factories with the money..
Good god you bozos learned the world DRONE from the Ukraine war and not shutting up ever.
Don't buy from korea! Remember the tragedy of the saliors trapped in their submarine rhat they couldn't rescue and rhey all died.
That old Submarine was built from Germany during the 80s
Don't buy korean plastic subs... 😂
be careful Philippines
I would say be careful Indonesia. backstabbing Korea can do more damage.
@@ytn00b3 which korea? there's TWO korea
@@deditsuwabuki1359north korea😂😂
@@Juanleonardo-w5q backstab country that got nuclear warhead definitely bad move 😅
Offer nga ignore namn ng makabayan group kaya wala din 😂😂
Go For NAVANTIA AND DAMEN.. leave the HYUNDAI HHI.. just corrupting the Philippines Navy
we'll have GTA 7 before the Philippines acquire their first submarine 😂